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Thac0 Redeye
2021-10-12, 07:03 PM
Hello,
I need a beholder for a room in my game. the main and lesser in the MM is too high and too low respectively for a CR. I know of an undead version, but can't find it. Anyone know what book he is in? And/or are there any other types of beholders in any of the creature lists, in any book except Ebberron.
Thanks.

AvatarVecna
2021-10-12, 07:21 PM
Your best bet is to check out Lords Of Madness, which has a full section dedicated to Beholders and has a few alternate-Beholders available.

Puke
2021-10-13, 07:17 AM
The Death Tyrant (https://www.realmshelps.net/monsters/block/Beholder,_Death_Tyrant) is the undead version of the Beholder.

There is quite a lot of creatures you can use :

- Beholders can be very different from one another. You can have very special beholders. And it's ok lore wise (they are described like that, but I don't remember the source tho).

- You can have a beholder with some missing eye sockets.

Also this : http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20070810a

and here : https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Beholder#Beholderkin

scroll down to find the list of beholderkin creatures.

Telonius
2021-10-13, 10:16 AM
You could always add hit dice or class levels to the lesser beholder.

JoeNapalm
2021-10-13, 11:08 AM
- You can have a beholder with some missing eye sockets.



This right here is good GMing...old, grizzled Beholder has a lot of personality.


-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist

ShurikVch
2021-10-13, 04:05 PM
If Gauth is too "small", and Beholder - too "big", then CR should be between 6 and 13, right?
Well, at CR 8, there are Bleeder Beholder in Dragon Compendium, Director and Eye of the Deep Beholderkin in Lords of Madness
CR 11: Death Kiss Beholderkin (Monsters of Faerūn)
For CR 12, we have Occultipus Beholder in Dangerous Denizens: The Monsters of Tellene

You can advance Gauth by HD (+1 CR for every 4 HD, and +1 CR for Large size)

Also, there are various templates - such as Axiomatic, Entropic, or Tarterian Creature
If you slap on Gauth Chimeric Creature, CR would become 9

Rebel7284
2021-10-14, 12:34 AM
Beholder Mage is a prestige class for Beholders and even a few levels can be a fun addition while making them more dangerous.

Endarire
2021-10-14, 03:18 AM
What about a Beholder suffering from cognitive dissonance? For example, it could be cursed to be able to act only half the time.

Thurbane
2021-10-14, 04:22 PM
This may be helpful: Mind Flayers, Beholders, and Aboleths Oh My (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?616594)


BEHOLDERS

Monsters:
Beholder (MM1)
Beholder, Bleeder (Dragon Compendium)
Beholder, Death Tyrant (FRCS)
Beholder, Gauth (MM1)
Beholderkin, Death Kiss (MoF)
Beholderkin, Director (LoM)
Beholderkin, Eye of the Deep )LoM)
Beholderkin, Eyeball (MoF)
Beholderkin, Eyeball, Swarm (EtU)
Beholderkin, Gouger (MoF)
Beholderkin, Hive Mother (LoM)
Beholderkin, Overseer (LoM)
Beholderkin, Spectator (LoM)
Gas Spore (LoM)
Gibbering Orb (ELH (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/gibberingOrb.htm))
Half-Farspawn Beholder (sample Half-farspawn Beholder) (online (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20070810a))
Lurking Strangler (MM3)
Mindwitness (sample Half-illithid Beholder) (Und)
Phantom Beholder (sample Phantom Beholder) (online (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20070810a))
Stormstalk (MoE)
Vampire Beholder (sample Monstrous Vampire Beholder) (online (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/eo/20070810a))

Classes/PrCs:
Beholder Mage (LoM)
Eye of the Xanathar (online (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20061107b))
Fleshwarper (Secret of the Beholder) (LoM)
Ocular Adept (F&P)

Feats:
Agile Tyrant (LoM)
Bane of the Unclean (LoM)
Disintegration Finesse (LoM)
Disjunction Ray (LoM)
Focused Antimagic (LoM)
Graft Flesh (LoM)
Metaray (LoM)
Ocular Spell (LoM)
Thrall Bred (LoM)

Items:
Beholder Crown (MIC)
Crown of Eyes (graft) (FF)
Eye Stalk (graft) (FF)
Gazing Eye (graft) (FF)
Golden Beholder (Dragon Compendium)
Ocular (armor ability) (CoR)
Plated Skin (graft) (FF)
Replacement Eye (graft) (FF)
Third Eye (graft) (FF)

Spells:
Dreaded Form of the Eye Tyrant (CM)
Eye of the Beholder (BoVD)

BEHOLDERS

Monsters:
Beholder Lich (D&D Miniatures: Unhallowed set)
Doomsphere (Monsters of Faerūn)
Elder Orb (LoM)
Beholder, Occultipus (Dangerous Denizens: The Monsters of Tellene)
Beholder Machine (Dungeon #90)

Classes/PrCs:
Ocular Master (Dragon #313)
Sphere Minion (Dragon #296)
Unholy Abomination (Dragon #313) - printed in the part about Beholders, but may work for any Aberration with Su 3+/day

Feats:
Maw of Power (Dragon #313)
Nimble Flier (Dragon #313)
Power Soar (Dragon #313)
Power Surge (Dragon #313)
Skilled Telekinetic (LoM)
Tentacular Stalk (Dragon #313)
Versatile Tyrant (Dragon #313)

Items:
Beholder Globe (Dragon #331)
Dimensional Pocket (Dragon #313)
Eye of the Beholder (Dragon #340)
Eye Tyrant Lens (Dragon #313)
Lens of Ray Chaining (LoM)
Lens of Ray Doubling (LoM)
Lens of Ray Extending (LoM)
Lens of Ray Widening (LoM)
Mouthpick Weapon (LoM)
Ocular Gems (Dragon #313)
Orb Armor (Dragon #313)
Sphere Mirror (LoM)
Suspension Sphere (Dragon #313)

@ OP: Are you open to 3rd party and home-brew as well? Because that opens up more options.

Enworld Creature Catalogue (fan made conversions of 1E and 2E monsters):

Beholder, Kasharin (https://web.archive.org/web/20120915015256/http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=1426)
Beholder-Kin (Examiner) (https://web.archive.org/web/20110811205132/http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/aberration/beholder/examiner.htm)
Beholder-Kin (Lensman) (https://web.archive.org/web/20110811204857/http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/aberration/beholder/lensman.htm)
Beholder-Kin (Watcher) (https://web.archive.org/web/20110223010635/http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/aberration/beholder/watcher.htm)
Beholder-kin, Searechter (Marine Spectator) (https://web.archive.org/web/20120820022326/http://creaturecatalog.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_c.php?CreatureID=466)

Particle_Man
2021-10-14, 07:21 PM
Would templates help? A half-fiend or half-dragon beholder, perhaps?

Bullet06320
2021-10-15, 04:08 PM
goodman games complete guide to beholders
https://goodman-games.com/store/product/complete-guide-to-beholders-pdf/

still available in pdf

good 3rd party stuff thats decent