Sorcerer Subclass Bonus Spell Lists & Questions

[Khrysaes]

So, following on the thread
https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?638704-Fizban-Spells-as-Bonus-Draconic-Sorcerer-Spells


What bonus spell lists would people give to:
Wild magic sorcerer
Storm Sorcerer
Shadow Sorcerer
Divine Soul Sorcerer

[Khrysaes]

Off the top of my head, and AFB

Wild magic sorcerer
Chaos bolt, the new Mischief spell


Shadow Sorcerer
Darkness
Pass without a trace
Shadow blade
Invisibility
Greater Invis

Storm Sorcerer
Lighting Bolt
Call Lightning


Divine Soul: I like the changes based on alignment currently, so maybe full lists based on that?

[J-H]

Here's the list I have written up.
Spoilered for length because I can't get an Excel table to paste in formatted correctly.


Draconic
Acid
Tasha's Caustic Brew
Cause Fear
Acid Arrow
See Invisibility
Fly
Stinking Cloud
Vitriolic Sphere
Elemental Bane (element only)
Transmute Rock
Cloudkill

Draconic
Cold
Fog Cloud
Cause Fear
Snowball Swarm
See Invisibility
Fly
Sleet Storm
Ice Storm
Elemental Bane (element only)
Cone of Cold
Seeming

Draconic
Fire
Burning Hands
Cause Fear
Scorching Ray
Heat Metal
Fly
Fireball
Fire Shield
Elemental Bane (element only)
Immolation
Seeming

Draconic
Lightning
Thunderwave
Cause Fear
Blur
See Invisibility
Lightning Bolt
Fly
Storm Sphere
Elemental Bane (element only)
Far Step
Seeming

Draconic
Poison
Dissonant Whispers
Cause Fear
Ray of Enfeeblement
Hold Person
Gaseous Form
Fly
Blight
Elemental Bane (element only)
Cloudkill
Contagion

Divine Soul
Bless
Heroism
Enhance Ability
Lesser Restoration
Aura of Vitality
Crusader's Mantle
Sickening Radiance
Guardian of Faith
Raise Dead
Flame Strike

Shadow
Bane
False Life
Blindness/Deafness
Misty Step
Bestow Curse
Summon Shadowspan ©
Shadow of Moil
Phantasmal Killer
Enervation
Antilife Shell

Storm
Thunderwave
Feather Fall
Shatter
Gust of Wind ©
Call Lightning
Wind Wall ©
Ice Storm
Summon Elemental (Air or Water only)
Control Winds ©
Maelstrom ©

Wild
Chaos Bolt
Shield
See Invisibility
Crown of Madness
Dispel Magic
Counterspell
Resilient Sphere
Summon Construct
Bigby's Hand
Legend Lore

[Khrysaes]

Here's the list I have written up.
Spoilered for length because I can't get an Excel table to paste in formatted correctly.


Draconic
Acid
Tasha's Caustic Brew
Cause Fear
Acid Arrow
See Invisibility
Fly
Stinking Cloud
Vitriolic Sphere
Elemental Bane (element only)
Transmute Rock
Cloudkill

Draconic
Cold
Fog Cloud
Cause Fear
Snowball Swarm
See Invisibility
Fly
Sleet Storm
Ice Storm
Elemental Bane (element only)
Cone of Cold
Seeming

Draconic
Fire
Burning Hands
Cause Fear
Scorching Ray
Heat Metal
Fly
Fireball
Fire Shield
Elemental Bane (element only)
Immolation
Seeming

Draconic
Lightning
Thunderwave
Cause Fear
Blur
See Invisibility
Lightning Bolt
Fly
Storm Sphere
Elemental Bane (element only)
Far Step
Seeming

Draconic
Poison
Dissonant Whispers
Cause Fear
Ray of Enfeeblement
Hold Person
Gaseous Form
Fly
Blight
Elemental Bane (element only)
Cloudkill
Contagion

Divine Soul
Bless
Heroism
Enhance Ability
Lesser Restoration
Aura of Vitality
Crusader's Mantle
Sickening Radiance
Guardian of Faith
Raise Dead
Flame Strike

Shadow
Bane
False Life
Blindness/Deafness
Misty Step
Bestow Curse
Summon Shadowspan ©
Shadow of Moil
Phantasmal Killer
Enervation
Antilife Shell

Storm
Thunderwave
Feather Fall
Shatter
Gust of Wind ©
Call Lightning
Wind Wall ©
Ice Storm
Summon Elemental (Air or Water only)
Control Winds ©
Maelstrom ©

Wild
Chaos Bolt
Shield
See Invisibility
Crown of Madness
Dispel Magic
Counterspell
Resilient Sphere
Summon Construct
Bigby's Hand
Legend Lore



These are pretty nice. Thank you.

[Psyren]

I'd work Confusion or similar into Wild Magic somewhere, alongside stuff that lets them mess with magic directly (Dispel Magic, Counterspell).

[Bobthewizard]

I play a lot on Mythweavers and one of my DMs offered this list (https://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=517022).


Here's the list I have written up.
Spoilered for length because I can't get an Excel table to paste in formatted correctly.


Draconic
Acid
Tasha's Caustic Brew
Cause Fear
Acid Arrow
See Invisibility
Fly
Stinking Cloud
Vitriolic Sphere
Elemental Bane (element only)
Transmute Rock
Cloudkill

Draconic
Cold
Fog Cloud
Cause Fear
Snowball Swarm
See Invisibility
Fly
Sleet Storm
Ice Storm
Elemental Bane (element only)
Cone of Cold
Seeming

Draconic
Fire
Burning Hands
Cause Fear
Scorching Ray
Heat Metal
Fly
Fireball
Fire Shield
Elemental Bane (element only)
Immolation
Seeming

Draconic
Lightning
Thunderwave
Cause Fear
Blur
See Invisibility
Lightning Bolt
Fly
Storm Sphere
Elemental Bane (element only)
Far Step
Seeming

Draconic
Poison
Dissonant Whispers
Cause Fear
Ray of Enfeeblement
Hold Person
Gaseous Form
Fly
Blight
Elemental Bane (element only)
Cloudkill
Contagion

Divine Soul
Bless
Heroism
Enhance Ability
Lesser Restoration
Aura of Vitality
Crusader's Mantle
Sickening Radiance
Guardian of Faith
Raise Dead
Flame Strike

Shadow
Bane
False Life
Blindness/Deafness
Misty Step
Bestow Curse
Summon Shadowspan ©
Shadow of Moil
Phantasmal Killer
Enervation
Antilife Shell

Storm
Thunderwave
Feather Fall
Shatter
Gust of Wind ©
Call Lightning
Wind Wall ©
Ice Storm
Summon Elemental (Air or Water only)
Control Winds ©
Maelstrom ©

Wild
Chaos Bolt
Shield
See Invisibility
Crown of Madness
Dispel Magic
Counterspell
Resilient Sphere
Summon Construct
Bigby's Hand
Legend Lore



I like these lists. Nice job. I would change the wild magic to enemies abound and summon fey at level 3, and then confusion and polymorph at level 4. Maybe change legend lore to animate objects. But it may just be that I picture wild magic as more fey, and yours seems more about bending luck, in which case your list fits well.

[Khrysaes]

I play a lot on Mythweavers and one of my DMs offered this list (https://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=517022).



I like these lists. Nice job. I would change the wild magic to enemies abound and summon fey at level 3, and then confusion and polymorph at level 4. Maybe change legend lore to animate objects. But it may just be that I picture wild magic as more fey, and yours seems more about bending luck, in which case your list fits well.

I do like those lists, I was thinking to have half the list of draconic be standard and half change by element.

That said, wild magic isn't fey magic, although I can see similarities.

I believe, at least in forgotten realms, wild magic was a result of mystra dying during the time of troubles, and is less about fey themes and more about magic acting randomly/going awry.

[sethdmichaels]

two lists i came up with, which i'd give to anybody i was DMing for who chose a sorcerer:

SHADOW
1 - Hex, Cause Fear
3 - Darkness (which they already get), Pass Without Trace
5 - Fear, Hunger of Hadar
7 - Confusion, Shadow of Moil
9 - Enervation, Mislead

STORM
1 - Fog Cloud, Thunderwave
3 - Gust of Wind, Shatter
5 - Sleet Storm, Wind Wall
7 - Ice Storm, Storm Sphere
9 - Control Winds, Destructive Wave

[strangebloke]

Copied my work from others over the years but here you go:

Draconic
1st - Absorb Elements, Chromatic Orb
3rd - Dragon's Breath, Alter Self
5th - Fear, Elemental Weapon
7th - Stoneskin, Elemental Bane
9th - Dominate Person, Summon Draconic Spirit

Wild
1st - Tasha's Hideous Laughter, Chaos Bolt
3rd - Nathair's Trickery, Crown of Madness
5th - Enemies Abound, Summon Fey
7th - Charm Monster, Confusion
9th - Seeming, Animate Objects

Storm
1st - Thunderwave, Fog Cloud
3rd - Shatter, Gust of Wind
5th - Sleet Storm, Lightning Bolt
7th - Ice Storm, Storm Sphere
9th - Control Winds, Maelstrom

Divine Soul
pick a suitable list of cleric domain spells

Shadow
1st - Cause Fear, Bane
3rd - Shadow Blade, Blindness
5th - Fear, Bestow Curse
7th - Shadow of Moil, Greater Invisibility
9th - Enervation, Dream

[Bjarkmundur]

I got the same problem with the UA pheonix origin, I have no idea what to put on that list :/

[Khrysaes]

I got the same problem with the UA pheonix origin, I have no idea what to put on that list :/

Fire and healing spells?

Regeneration and Reincarnation?
I don't actually know the spell levels of the top of my head.

How about
1st: Hellish Rebuke, Healing word
2nd: Flaming Sphere, Prayer of Healing
3rd: Fireball, Revivify
4th: Fire Shield, Aura of life
5th: Flame Strike, Reincarnate

Others
Flame blade
Burning hands
Scorching ray
Aura of Vitality
Cure wounds
Mass healing word
Mass cure wounds
Aid
Searing Smite
Elemental Weapon
Elemental bane


I tried to give it a list that adds too the sorcerer list rather than picking spells the sorcerer already has

[Bjarkmundur]

Huh, thinking like that I could just delegate the work the the player and say

"To compensate for the low number of spells known of the Sorcerer, you gain A Bonus Spell list. At 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th level you can add two spells of your choice to your bonus spell list. The spells must all be from the same school and from the sorcerer spell list. Once a spell is added to your bonus spell list you cannot swap it out for a higher level spell, like you normally would with your known sorcerer spells."