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Smoutwortel
2022-01-16, 07:19 AM
What's the closest you can build to a kryptonian in 3e or 3.5e.
requirements:
high resistance to non-magical damage
weak to radiant damage
flying
fast
high str

suggestions:
fire or radiant gaze attack
high dex
cold based breath attack
x-ray vision
living
conditionally weak to electricity

Analytica
2022-01-16, 09:18 AM
Warlock with some templates, maybe half-dragon?

RNightstalker
2022-01-16, 09:40 AM
Pretty much a laundry list of immunities with infinite physical ability scores

Jack_Simth
2022-01-16, 10:29 AM
High level Elan Psion.

No, seriously.

Elan Resilience for immediate-action damage negation to soak the big hits (and there's a racial feat to make this a better trade), Psion/wilder powers can get you things like:
Flying (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/overlandFlightPsionic.htm)
Damage Reduction for the many small hits (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/biofeedback.htm)
The ability to move heavy objects (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/telekineticForce.htm) (Note: Without something like this, most large items crumble when you try to pick them up!)
Super Speed (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/temporalAcceleration.htm)
Eye Lasers (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/energyRay.htm)
The ability to see through things (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/clairvoyantSense.htm)
Cold Breath (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/energyCone.htm)
Fast Healing (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/trueMetabolism.htm)
... and so on.

MaxiDuRaritry
2022-01-16, 11:06 AM
Use the psion mentioned above, but with ardent instead (at least 10 levels so you can take the dominant ideal ACF (https://srd.dndtools.org/srd/classes/baseCpsi/ardent.html#dominant-ideal)), at least 1 level of monk (for lots of hardness (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?285801-Tippy-s-Terrifically-Terrible-Trial/page25&p=15474863#post15474863) (near the bottom of the post) and some crusader. Maybe be a web enhancement kobold (https://web.archive.org/web/20170729171443/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) and at least level 21. Most easily done with gestalt, although some tricksiness with initiator multiclassing and some magic may make it doable as well.

Use your WBL to purchase tons of feats (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?400840-List-of-Feat-Granting-Items-Locations-Grafts) and DCFS (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?119456-What-is-a-quot-Chaos-Shuffle-quot) them out for Str (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#greatStrength), Dex (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#greatDexterity), and Con (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#greatConstitution) via epic feats. Use the d2 crusader trick (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?201776-d2-Crusader&p=11133358&viewfull=1#post11133358) wielding a Tiny gauntlet equipped to get an infinite d2 damage punch. (A psychic chirurgery from a StP erudite can get you any spells you want, so use that to qualify as a d2 crusader.) Use the ardent's dominant ideal (removes the need to expend psionic focus on the listed powers, and reduces the pp cost of applied metapsionic feats by -2) on a mantle with the energy ray and energy cone powers so you can Empower your "eye rays" and "cold breath" an infinite number of times (as there is no clause anywhere stating you can't apply a metapsionic feat repeatedly, limited only by expending psionic focus and metapsionic pp costs, which are now gone).

So super-high Str, Dex, and Con, infinitely powerful punches, and infinitely powerful eye-rays and cold breath, too. A converted version of the Explosive Spell feat, maybe, so you can blow foes away? Also maybe a level in fighter for the dungeon crasher ACF, so you can do the same with your punches.

Once again, Super-Kobold saves the day. :smallbiggrin:

Jervis
2022-01-16, 02:58 PM
What's the closest you can build to a kryptonian in 3e or 3.5e.
requirements:
high resistance to non-magical damage
weak to radiant damage
flying
fast
high str

suggestions:
fire or radiant gaze attack
high dex
cold based breath attack
x-ray vision
living
conditionally weak to electricity

As a race, 10rhd, native outsider. Disintegrate as a at will SLA thats delivered as a Gaze attack, True Sight and Touch Sight, DR 99999999999/magic, double damage from Radiant, 120 feet Fly (Perfect), +8 Strength and Con, +4 Int, Wis, and Cha

Scots Dragon
2022-01-16, 03:13 PM
You'd need to make it a monster with some super high strength, dexterity and constitution bonuses, perfect flight in the several million miles per round range, an eye ray attack that does basically arbitrary damage, etc. -- but all contingent on being under a yellow sun, and bypassed considerably by magical effects, kryptonite as a substance, and red sunlight.

And the figures would be absurd.

For an accurate strength score we're talking somewhere around two hundred at most conservative.

AvatarVecna
2022-01-16, 03:45 PM
You'd need to make it a monster with some super high strength, dexterity and constitution bonuses, perfect flight in the several million miles per round range, an eye ray attack that does basically arbitrary damage, etc. -- but all contingent on being under a yellow sun, and bypassed considerably by magical effects, kryptonite as a substance, and red sunlight.

And the figures would be absurd.

For an accurate strength score we're talking somewhere around two hundred at most conservative.

Yeah. One of the old feats was 200 quintillion without being overly inconvenienced. That's around a light load for Str 352, and was (supposedly) triple his normal strength. Which would put normal Str at 344. In some versions, he's pushed the earth around, which requires Str ~400.

Max Caysey
2022-01-16, 05:04 PM
What's the closest you can build to a kryptonian in 3e or 3.5e.
requirements:
high resistance to non-magical damage
weak to radiant damage
flying
fast
high str

suggestions:
fire or radiant gaze attack
high dex
cold based breath attack
x-ray vision
living
conditionally weak to electricity

Where is the kryptonien going to be?

If on krypton I’d say just be level 1 expert with standard array. If on earth then I’d say give that person paragon template for starters. Give 400 in both str, dex, con… and the others more normal… you have the paragon template to help there too!


As a race, 10rhd, native outsider. Disintegrate as a at will SLA thats delivered as a Gaze attack, True Sight and Touch Sight, DR 99999999999/magic, double damage from Radiant, 120 feet Fly (Perfect), +8 Strength and Con, +4 Int, Wis, and Cha

He can go super luminal in a vacuum so and about Mach 10 in earths atmosphere… so 120 seems a bit slow for his flying speed. 10.000 flying be more correct!

MaxiDuRaritry
2022-01-16, 05:58 PM
He can go super luminal in a vacuum so and about Mach 10 in earths atmosphere… so 120 seems a bit slow for his flying speed. 10.000 flying be more correct!This is when teleportation gets involved. It's functionally identical to going FTL in almost every way, if you know where you're teleporting to.

Jervis
2022-01-16, 06:06 PM
This is when teleportation gets involved. It's functionally identical to going FTL in almost every way, if you know where you're teleporting to.
Teleport move action SLA

Max Caysey
2022-01-16, 06:11 PM
This is when teleportation gets involved. It's functionally identical to going FTL in almost every way, if you know where you're teleporting to.

Fair enough, but then make him at least as fast as the fastest creatures… which IIRC is about 350ft

MaxiDuRaritry
2022-01-16, 06:54 PM
Use this trick (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?177889-Brainstorm-for-Psionic-Tricks-Tactics-and-Combos-Handbook&p=23285432&viewfull=1#post23285432) to magically enhance your body instead of using magic items, and make sure you've got several speed boosters (including the multipliers, such as the horned helm and the effects of the rapid wrath spear, from Ghostwalk). Since distance is a real-world value, it's not subject to D&D's "special mathematics" and is multiplied normally. Combine that with a dip into sorcerer or some way to count as a level 1 sorcerer and take the Celestial Sorcerer Wings feat for your flight to be double your base land speed (which has been buffed all to hell, with further buffs stacking onto your flight, since a lot of speed buffs affect all movement speeds), and...

You can actually get near-luminal speeds pretty fast, if you stack enough multipliers. Also, psionics is fantastic for breaking action economy, so even if you don't do the above, sharing affinity field and synchronicity with your psicrystal to get infinite standard actions would allow you to go infinitely fast for that time.

Gruftzwerg
2022-01-16, 08:24 PM
Fair enough, but then make him at least as fast as the fastest creatures… which IIRC is about 350ft

If you want speed imho warlock is once again a good solution to this.

a) clawlocks tend to get effective monk lvls. Fell Flight scales of land movement speed. Since monk's movement speed bonus applies to all movement modes, we basically profit twice from it. My clawlock (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?518880-Almighty-Claw-of-Malar-(v2-0)-a-monk-warlock-gish)build achieves a fly speed of 150ft without any great investments. Combine a charge (double) with a dive (again double) for 600ft speed temporary.

b) UMD focused warlock with a Monk's Tattoo. The tattoo gives you the speed bonus of a higher lvl monk. UMD (-20 on the roll) to get better results. If you push UMD, you can get pretty high results here. Again, abuse with Fell Flight for doubling the profit.

icefractal
2022-01-16, 10:28 PM
Full-strength Kryptonian, or a character that's playable at most levels and resembles one thematically?

If you enter Epic territory, Permanent Emanation (Consumptive Field) gives you a fair amount of One-Punch Man -
* NI damage punches and thrown objects
* Sudden Leap gives you the anime flash-step where you jump any distance as a swift action.
* Stupidly durable via temp hp, although this one runs out so you probably want other sources too.

Combine it with Aeshkrau Illumian and you also get unlimited spells/day, allowing you to assemble a buff-stack which could emulate many of the Kryptonian abilities.

For example, this stub:
Illumian (Aeshkrau) Cleric 23
Feats: Divine Spell Power, Improved Spell Capacity, Permanent Emanation, +5 non-epic
Traits: Spellgifted (Necromancy)
Gear: Orange Prism, Robe of Arcane Might
Setup-Only Gear: Ankh of Ascension, Band of Spell Enhancement, Domain Draught, Karma Bead, Skiurid Nuggets, Terran Brandy
Manages a general (no prep) CL 83, so any buffs that scale will be quite nice, and with the long durations they don't need to spend much time per day maintaining them.

MaxiDuRaritry
2022-01-16, 10:46 PM
If you take a level in monk and turn your unarmed strikes into throwing weapons and have the Distant Shot feat, you can literally hurl yourself multiple times per round to anywhere you can see, no matter how distant.

loky1109
2022-01-17, 02:35 AM
Two words: Pun Pun.

Maat Mons
2022-01-17, 05:27 AM
If you want DR... maybe hardness would be close enough? You can use Haunt Shift trickery to live your (un)life as an animated object with 90+ hardness. Quite literally, the Man of Steel Oerth-Blooded Pure Ore Obdurium.

Smoutwortel
2022-01-17, 02:05 PM
This is when teleportation gets involved. It's functionally identical to going FTL in almost every way, if you know where you're teleporting to.
Which is also more representative about how speed works for him and other high speed supers:
they go either really fast or FTL, but nothing in between.

Smoutwortel
2022-01-17, 02:09 PM
As a race, 10rhd, native outsider. Disintegrate as a at will SLA thats delivered as a Gaze attack, True Sight and Touch Sight, DR 99999999999/magic, double damage from Radiant, 120 feet Fly (Perfect), +8 Strength and Con, +4 Int, Wis, and Cha
Also a very fitting name.

RNightstalker
2022-01-17, 08:52 PM
Two words: Pun Pun.

Four Words: Don't insult the Kryptonians.

Smoutwortel
2022-01-18, 01:21 PM
Where is the kryptonien going to be?

If on krypton I’d say just be level 1 expert with standard array. If on earth then I’d say give that person paragon template for starters. Give 400 in both str, dex, con… and the others more normal… you have the paragon template to help there too!



He can go super luminal in a vacuum so and about Mach 10 in earths atmosphere… so 120 seems a bit slow for his flying speed. 10.000 flying be more correct!

Kryptonite, nukes, Q-rays and all other radiation based weaknesses are covered under the radiate weakness