Mirakk
2022-02-11, 04:25 PM
Recently, I was trying to work out an Archivist that would enter into Dweomerkeeper, and I keep finding literally dozens of examples for people using Southern Magician to qualify for this PrC. However, when I read the text for the feat, it looks like it says in no uncertain terms, that it would NOT work. I then showed this to two other experienced DMs, and they all reached the same conclusion. Can someone walk me through the logic here?
"Once per day per two spellcaster levels, you can cast a divine spell as an arcane spell, or vice versa. This enables you to bypass arcane spell failure due to armor, or gain additional benefit from spell that functions differently for a divine caster instead of an arcane caster, such as true seeing or magic weapon. Spells changed with this feat are often confusing to whose who haven't studied Mulan magic. Spellcasters who don't have this feat suffer a -4 penalty on attempts to counterspell or dispel this spell, and they must succeed at a caster level check (DC 11 + spell level) to detect the spell with detect magic. The actual source of the spell's power doesn't change, nor does its means of preparation. You are merely weaving the strands of magic together in an unconventional way that makes the spell behave somewhat differently."
In other words, if it was an Divine spell, and you're casting it "as an Arcane spell", its source is still Divine, you're just making it behave in an Arcane manner. Thus, it wouldn't (RAW) fulfill the requirement of being able to cast a Arcane spell.
Similarly, any feat that grants the use of Spell-Like Abilities does not qualify because Spell-Like Ability=/= Arcane Spell, or Divine Spell
Now if you look at Magical Training, that feat specifically states:
"You may cast the 0-level arcane spells dancing lights, daze, and mage hand once per day each. You have an arcane spell failure chance if you wear armor. You are treated as a wizard of your arcane spellcaster level (minimum 1st level) for determining the range at which these spells can be cast."
And thus that -would- let a divine caster with that feat qualify because it specifically states that they are Arcane Spells.
What's your take on this?
"Once per day per two spellcaster levels, you can cast a divine spell as an arcane spell, or vice versa. This enables you to bypass arcane spell failure due to armor, or gain additional benefit from spell that functions differently for a divine caster instead of an arcane caster, such as true seeing or magic weapon. Spells changed with this feat are often confusing to whose who haven't studied Mulan magic. Spellcasters who don't have this feat suffer a -4 penalty on attempts to counterspell or dispel this spell, and they must succeed at a caster level check (DC 11 + spell level) to detect the spell with detect magic. The actual source of the spell's power doesn't change, nor does its means of preparation. You are merely weaving the strands of magic together in an unconventional way that makes the spell behave somewhat differently."
In other words, if it was an Divine spell, and you're casting it "as an Arcane spell", its source is still Divine, you're just making it behave in an Arcane manner. Thus, it wouldn't (RAW) fulfill the requirement of being able to cast a Arcane spell.
Similarly, any feat that grants the use of Spell-Like Abilities does not qualify because Spell-Like Ability=/= Arcane Spell, or Divine Spell
Now if you look at Magical Training, that feat specifically states:
"You may cast the 0-level arcane spells dancing lights, daze, and mage hand once per day each. You have an arcane spell failure chance if you wear armor. You are treated as a wizard of your arcane spellcaster level (minimum 1st level) for determining the range at which these spells can be cast."
And thus that -would- let a divine caster with that feat qualify because it specifically states that they are Arcane Spells.
What's your take on this?