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Emperor Demonking
2007-11-24, 07:33 AM
It's a well known fact, that wizards can defeat opponents better than fighters.
That they can sneak and find traps.

But can they take the cleric's role.

graymachine
2007-11-24, 07:37 AM
Well, yes and no. What role are you asking about. Can they fulfill the role of a spiritual consoler or a wise individual telling you about the road ahead? Why yes, of course! Can they provide the healing magics of the clerics? No, of course not without some heavy home rules. So, the question becomes, what are you asking about?

Kurald Galain
2007-11-24, 07:42 AM
They can be quite effective healers if the party consists mostly of warforged...

The White Knight
2007-11-24, 09:27 AM
I refer you to Arcane Disciple from Complete Divine. A wizard following a deity with the Healing domain can become a very watered down healer, with sufficient wisdom.

Jack_Simth
2007-11-24, 09:38 AM
Stops even being watered down, if the Wizard takes Craft Wand for making an appropriate healing stick, as well.

Limited Wish can duplicate Heal (by way of the Adept's version of the spell).

Some of the higher-level Summons include healing abilities.

There's a few ways to do it.

Kaelik
2007-11-24, 02:04 PM
Ten levels of Rainbow Servant gets you full caster level, a few domains, and the entire Cleric Spell list at level 10. Also, wings.

The White Knight
2007-11-24, 03:24 PM
Ten levels of Rainbow Servant gets you full caster level, a few domains, and the entire Cleric Spell list at level 10. Also, wings.

Doesn't Rainbow Servant lose 4 caster levels out of 10?

tsuyoshikentsu
2007-11-24, 03:52 PM
Doesn't Rainbow Servant lose 4 caster levels out of 10?

Text trumps table -- as written, they have full caster according to the ability as written.

And before anyone says it, the latest foreign language edition is Portuguese, and it says full caster too.

GryffonDurime
2007-11-24, 03:56 PM
Text trumps table -- as written, they have full caster according to the ability as written.

And before anyone says it, the latest foreign language edition is Portuguese, and it says full caster too.

I'm pretty sure no sane DM would let what is obviously a copy-and-paste error pass like this. You know for a fact that the tables are created on a per-class basis while most text is just copied and altered...this is an oversight in the copying, and the text should not override.

Ne0
2007-11-24, 04:15 PM
I refer all of you here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64398), to save Emperor Demonking the effort of filling in a new Thread title everytime he had a question.

Lord Zentei
2007-11-24, 06:41 PM
Though not very efficient in that regard, Polymorph can technically be used to cure wounds, as the target gains hit points as though from a complete night's rest.

I'd take Cure Critical Wounds instead, the clerical cure spell that is of the same level as Polymorph (i.e. 4th). :smallwink:

Sornjss Lichdom
2007-11-24, 07:07 PM
you can have everybody in the party take the feat Tomb-Tainted.

then any negitave energy used on your party heals them.

Twingunn
2007-11-24, 07:13 PM
Even with straight healing taken care of I don't think the clerics role of dealing with the ability damage and level drain (not to mention lost limbs and stuff!) would be effectively dealt with. Of course with enough wish spells I suppose they could be but in order to get to a point where so limited wishes are spent like magic missiles would be difficult to get to without extensive adventuring.

Jack_Simth
2007-11-24, 08:15 PM
you can have everybody in the party take the feat Tomb-Tainted.

then any negitave energy used on your party heals them.

Only as though they were undead - which means that Enervation and similar gives them temporary HP, not actual HP. The negative energy spells that would do the actual healing (Harm and the Inflict line) are still difficult to properly obtain.

Can a Wizard heal up the party well enough to fill the heal-bot role? Yes. Can he do it as effectively or as early as a Cleric? Not so much.

Lemur
2007-11-24, 08:32 PM
Anyone with UMD can substitute for a cleric with the right equipment. You just need to find a wizard PrC like Wild Mage, which gives UMD as a class skill.

It's also worth pointing out that if the party doesn't need healing, restorations, or rezzing because of buffs, wards, and battlefield control from the wizard (or perhaps sheer offensive might), the cleric is essentially filled in.

herrhauptmann
2007-11-24, 11:56 PM
Loremaster also grants UMD as a class skill and grants 4+int bonus ranks per level, while wizard and cleric both get only 2+bonus.

Quietus
2007-11-25, 12:16 AM
Anyone with UMD can substitute for a cleric with the right equipment. You just need to find a wizard PrC like Wild Mage, which gives UMD as a class skill.

It's also worth pointing out that if the party doesn't need healing, restorations, or rezzing because of buffs, wards, and battlefield control from the wizard (or perhaps sheer offensive might), the cleric is essentially filled in.

But what about the role of front-line combatant? Who'll fill that? Barbarian, I suppose?

Jack_Simth
2007-11-25, 12:21 AM
But what about the role of front-line combatant? Who'll fill that? Barbarian, I suppose?
That's not *officially* the cleric's role in the Iconic Four... it's just one of the things the Cleric can do well due to people not wanting to play the cleric's role in the Iconic Four....

Armads
2007-11-25, 12:24 AM
But what about the role of front-line combatant? Who'll fill that? Barbarian, I suppose?

Summoning stuff or Polymorphing (or the polymorph subschool spells)

Zeevico
2007-11-25, 08:16 AM
Isn't there a feat granting spellcasting from a single domain, even to arcane casters? It's in either Complete Divine or Arcane, can't remember which. That pretty much covers it there. Could be wrong though.

Quietus
2007-11-25, 08:33 AM
Summoning stuff or Polymorphing (or the polymorph subschool spells)

Good point, I was tired when posting that and entirely forgot about summoning. Once you hit level 5 and can start summoning battle cattle, it all falls into place, then.

::Edit:: There's an idea... would this clerical-wizard be a specialist? A conjurer, perhaps, to get the extra spell slots for Conj. (Healing) and summoning spells?