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JNAProductions
2022-03-24, 08:19 PM
See title. I'm trying to find a creature that fits as many of the following criteria as possible:

1) No more than -2 penalty to Intelligence or Charisma
2) Big bonus to Constitution
3) Fast Healing or Regeneration
4) Not larger than Large
5) Anything else that's cool

It's for this game here (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?643826-Classic-game-request-players-needed-3-5-gestalt), for reference.

RedMage125
2022-03-24, 09:10 PM
See title. I'm trying to find a creature that fits as many of the following criteria as possible:

1) No more than -2 penalty to Intelligence or Charisma
2) Big bonus to Constitution
3) Fast Healing or Regeneration
4) Not larger than Large
5) Anything else that's cool

It's for this game here (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?643826-Classic-game-request-players-needed-3-5-gestalt), for reference.

Ogre Mage?

JNAProductions
2022-03-24, 09:13 PM
Ogre Mage?

Huh. Would you look at that.

Neat! Thank you :)

Dimers
2022-03-24, 09:18 PM
JNA, do note that another prospective player already submitted an ogre mage.

JNAProductions
2022-03-24, 09:25 PM
JNA, do note that another prospective player already submitted an ogre mage.

Damble.

Anything else that fits my criteria, or as many as possible?

Doctor Despair
2022-03-24, 09:26 PM
Does it have to be a monster? Do templates work?

JNAProductions
2022-03-24, 09:27 PM
Does it have to be a monster? Do templates work?

Templates will NOT work. Disallowed in the Big 16.

MaxiDuRaritry
2022-03-24, 09:45 PM
A younger phaerimm? Grants casting as you go that can give you all the stuff in your list.

ShurikVch
2022-03-24, 10:14 PM
Harssaf (Monster Manual III)? 6 HD, LA +4, +6 Con, and no mental penalties (+2 Cha)

Rebel7284
2022-03-24, 11:37 PM
Sharn have regeneration.

RedMage125
2022-03-25, 12:50 AM
Damble.

Anything else that fits my criteria, or as many as possible?

As many as possible? in that case, some of the first things that I thought of come to mind.

Succubus is ECL 12, has only a small bonus to CON, but a MASSIVE bonus (+16) to CHA, and a +6 to INT. Has DR 10/cold iron or good. Immunities, and resistances (to include SR). And let's not forget Outsider HD use Rogue Skills, Monk saves, and Fighter BAB.

Janni are only ECL 11, and get boosts to all 6 stats (CON is lowest at +2), fly speed of 20 (perfect), and some SLAs.

Hound Archons are dope. They're ECL 11, don't have the stats you're looking for, but have a whopping +9 natural armor bonus, and a bunch of resistances and immunities. And their SR explicitly stacks with class levels, unlike some other racial SR. Greater Teleport at will is not to be overlooked (one of the traits all archons have).

Driders get stats bonuses out the wazoo, spellcasting as a 6th level (Clr, Wiz or Sor, your choice), which stacks with class levels. They've also got some natural armor and a STR poison bite, which is meh.

Barghests have no stat penalties, are shapechangers with a slew of SLAs. ECL 12.

Annis Hag is ECL 12. +14 STR +4 CON, has Improved Grab, Rend and Rake. 2 crappy SLAs, and DR 2/bludgeoning.


Does your progression have to be finished? Rakshasa is ECL 14, but at level 12, you'd only be down 1 racial HD, and your DR/good and piercing would only be 10 (instead of the final 15), and your spell immunity would only be up to 6th at that point. But there's a +6 CON, +2 INT, and you'd have +4 CHA at level 12 (get the last +2 at 13).

Lillends are ECL 13, but at 12 has a +8 STR, +4 DEX, +4 CON, +4 INT, +6 WIS, and +8 CHA, +4 natural armor, spellcasting and bardic music as a level 6 bard (any further bard levels would then stack), fly speed of 70 (average), constrict, and spell-like abilities.

Kytons are ECL 14, but at 12 have most of their abilities (their DR is only 5), but they have SR and regeneration.

Djinn is ECL 13, but at 12 is only missing their last RHD, a +2 to CHA and INT, and has acid resist 20 instead of immunity (gets immune at 13). Not to mention a bunch of SLAs.

Maat Mons
2022-03-25, 02:59 AM
Advespa? Not that big a bonus to Con, but otherwise fits your criteria.

Troll? Bigger penalties to Int and Cha than you wanted. It's a shame the Primordial Giant template is off the table.

Mephit? No Con bonus and a bigger Int penalty than you wanted. Also, the fast healing is conditional, and the LA is listed as "Cohort."

Gnaeus
2022-03-25, 05:56 AM
Marrulurk doesn't get Regen but has a lot of love for a low cost, if you are interested in a rogue type

ShurikVch
2022-03-25, 06:27 AM
Black Abishai (Monsters of Faerūn): 5 HD and LA +6; regeneration 5 (holy water, holy weapons, and blessed weapons), immune to fire and poison, telepathy 100', See in Darkness, tail sting (2d4 acid, +1d4 acid the following round), at-will SLA (animate dead, charm person, command, desecrate, detect alignment, disguise self, major image, suggestion, and scare; CL = the abishai's HD), Summon Baatezu 1/day (2d6 lemures with a 50% chance of success, or another abishai of a random color with a 20% chance of success)

JNAProductions
2022-03-25, 08:52 AM
Black Abishai (Monsters of Faerūn): 5 HD and LA +6; regeneration 5 (holy water, holy weapons, and blessed weapons), immune to fire and poison, telepathy 100', See in Darkness, tail sting (2d4 acid, +1d4 acid the following round), at-will SLA (animate dead, charm person, command, desecrate, detect alignment, disguise self, major image, suggestion, and scare; CL = the abishai's HD), Summon Baatezu 1/day (2d6 lemures with a 50% chance of success, or another abishai of a random color with a 20% chance of success)

I think that might be the one.

Thank you everyone for your contributions!