Way to acquire Wu Jen spells as a known spell for a non Wu Jen?

[redking]

How would one go about getting some Wu Jen spells as known spells? Specifically, I am thinking about the Spirit Binding line of spells from Complete Arcane.

[ciopo]

if it's only a few select spells you want, the extra spell feat would work just fine.

[redking]

if it's only a few select spells you want, the extra spell feat would work just fine.

Extra Spell only allows for spells that are already on your class spell list.

[ciopo]

Your thinking of the 3.0 version from tome and blood, the reprinted version in complete arcane has no such limitation, it even specifically calls out that it's useful for wizards to obtain spells they wouldn't otherwise be able to gain access to

[pabelfly]

This thread should be pretty useful: https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?637076-Ways-to-Expand-a-Spell-List

I'd suggest checking out Wyrm Wizard. This gives you five new spells of your choice, even off-list, and has 7/10 spellcasting progression.

[Biggus]

Your thinking of the 3.0 version from tome and blood, the reprinted version in complete arcane has no such limitation, it even specifically calls out that it's useful for wizards to obtain spells they wouldn't otherwise be able to gain access to

It's still ambiguous whether it allows you to learn spells off-list though, a lot of DMs don't read it that way.

[ciopo]

While I agree this is open to interpretation and it may be adjudicated to only apply to spells on your list, to use a somewhat absurd example, I equate this to say that power attack needs to be adjudicated about it can be used with simple weapons/martial weapons/exotic weapons/improvised weapons/weapons you don't have profiency for. As long as they aren't light, of course. The nonproficient example is possibly the one with the strongest parallel.

The feat does not say you must select a spell from your list. I guess it also doesn't say you can prepare that spell. I suppose a GM that rules that shape soulmeld does not grant you the ability to shape a soulmeld if you otherwise don't already have meldshaping would also rule that extra spell does not grant you an extra spell unless you'd otherwise already have access to that spell. I am not moved from my general stance of "the feat does what it says it does". Why some people flips out from a wizard knowing CLW is beyond me, but them's the apples.

Ask your GM, I would allow it.

The biggest reasoning I have about it working without care for the spell list is that the level you take it is not necessarily a spellcaster level. A stupid example : wizard 5/ fighter 1. That 6th level feat, a level you are taking fighter. Nominally no spell is a fighter spell, and yet you satisfy all the parameters for functionally taking the feat. Why would a fighter be allowed to learn invisibility with extra spell but not be allowed to learn cure light wounds?

A wizard 17/cleric 1 would clearly be "allowed" to take any cleric spell of 8th level or lower, and they would be able to prepare it on wizard slots... would they? If not, why not? Because the feat doesn't say to what list you are adding a spell known/learned ? Feats are class-agnostic.

[Silva Stormrage]

I would suggest Runestaves as the simplest option. With UMD there is no DM interpretation whatsoever with them and an artificer can craft them for you meaning its not as hard to justify picking one up.

[ben-zayb]

Aside from Wyrm Wizard, there are more PrCs that can add spells from other lists
Eldritch Master: catch is it's 3rd party
Recaster: catch is it has a racial prerequisite

[Togo]

Chamleon prestige class has access to 'arcane spells' rather than spells from any particular spell list. Wu Jen spells are arcane.

Obviously that only works up to level 6, which means some of the most entertaining Wu Jen spells remain out of reach. But for Spirit Binding (level 6) it would work fine.

[schreier]

Aside from Wyrm Wizard, there are more PrCs that can add spells from other lists
Eldritch Master: catch is it's 3rd party
Recaster: catch is it has a racial prerequisite

Eldritch Master is a lot of fun, and it's Dragon Magazine, which some consider 1st party or 2nd party. And it would give you the entire class list for the cost of 4 CL (but you get credit for the CL, just not the spell progression)

[daremetoidareyo]

I think that spell Campendium allow sorcerers to base their spells off of the Wujen spell list

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Illithid savant would give you wu jen casting if you eat a wu jen.

Just saying.

[Gorthawar]

Fiend blooded has 9/9 casting and let's you learn a couple fire, illusion, enchantment or necromancy spells from any source. Unfortunately spirit binding seems to be conjuration instead of necromancy and is therefore not exactly helpful in your case but I figured I'd add it nevertheless.

[ben-zayb]

Dragon Magazine, which some consider 1st party or 2nd party.Minor tangent: Maybe other than those from Paizo, anyone who consider Dragon Magazine as a second party resource should double check what "second party" means.

[Zanos]

Dragonblood spell pact would work to get it onto any caster, if you can find a spontaneous caster that already has it.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

Arcane swordsage? Choose the spells you want as your spell-maneuvers. Yes, I know it requires homebrew, but it's technically 1st party material. Kind of.

[Bullet06320]

Aside from Wyrm Wizard, there are more PrCs that can add spells from other lists
Eldritch Master: catch is it's 3rd party
Recaster: catch is it has a racial prerequisite

master specialist prc
Expanded Spellbook: When you reach 2nd level, you can add one spell of your chosen school to your spellbook. The spell can be of any level that you can cast, and it is in addition to the normal spells gained when increasing your level.

but the errata changes that if use the errata
Page 70 – Expanded Spellbook
[Revision]
First sentence should read, “When you
reach 2nd level, you can add one
wizard spell of your chosen school to
your spellbook.”

[MaxiDuRaritry]

The convert-spell-to-power ACF (https://web.archive.org/web/20120208031628/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a) for the erudite psion allows you to learn any arcane spell as a psionic power. That includes wu jen spells, bard spells, and even cleric spells as arcane spells from various spellcasting true dragons or druid spells as arcane spells from spellcasting true dragons with the Child of Eberron draconic sovereign archetype.

Requires you to be a CStP ACF erudite, though. Or at least a psion or wilder with access to one, as well as the psychic chirurgery power so you can learn it from one of them.

[nedz]

This thread should be pretty useful: https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?637076-Ways-to-Expand-a-Spell-List

I'd suggest checking out Wyrm Wizard. This gives you five new spells of your choice, even off-list, and has 7/10 spellcasting progression.

It's a good list, but seem to have missed Dread Necromancer - Advanced Learning adds any Necromantic spell.

Also the Cloistered Cleric entry is incomplete: this also adds a few spells to the Cleric spell list.
0—message; 1st—erase, identify, unseen servant; 2nd—fox's cunning; 3rd—illusory script, secret page, tongues (reduced from 4th level); 4th—detect scrying; 6th—analyze dweomer; 7th—sequester; 9th—vision.

[pabelfly]

It's a good list, but seem to have missed Dread Necromancer - Advanced Learning adds any Necromantic spell.

Also the Cloistered Cleric entry is incomplete: this also adds a few spells to the Cleric spell list.
0—message; 1st—erase, identify, unseen servant; 2nd—fox's cunning; 3rd—illusory script, secret page, tongues (reduced from 4th level); 4th—detect scrying; 6th—analyze dweomer; 7th—sequester; 9th—vision.

Im due to rework that entire thread, so thanks for the information.