Sunny's Pictures

[Mad Humanist]

I guess this has been discussed already, but noone has started a thread on it.

1257 gives us new detail of Sunny's pictures.

The one on the top-left we can now see as a homely family picture.

The one on the top-right looks like a generic adventurer versus dragon fight. I guess it could be foreshadowing of characters we are yet to meet, but somehow I doubt that. I strongly suspect that this is an archetypal hero versus villains picture where the dragon is the hero.

The one on the bottom simply looks like the Snarl. That has to be the most intriguing point.

[hroþila]

The dragon drawing most likely depicts Kraagor and Serini in an unknown adventure or encounter.

[Peelee]

The dragon drawing most likely depicts Kraagor and Serini in an unknown adventure or encounter.

Agreed.

The one on the bottom simply looks like the Snarl. That has to be the most intriguing point.
Why? It's consistent with everyone's story about the Snarl.

[Mike Havran]

The colour of the dragon suggests a red dragon (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html) They are considered always Chaotic Evil, therefore unlikely to be fit for allies guarding the final layers of gate's defense. Then again, neither are Eye Tyrants, and this may well be a twist and a foreshadowing.

[Precure]

The dragon has a broken horn. It's curious that Sunny has information anout how Kraagor and the Snarl looks like. Can Sunny see Serini's memories?

[Metastachydium]

It's curious that Sunny has information anout how Kraagor and the Snarl looks like. Can Sunny see Serini's memories?

Um, Kraagor hasd a literal statue not far from where Sunny lives. All Serini had to tell 'em was the colour of his hair. As for the Snarl, "tangle of blue and purple lines with two floating red eyes" is not as difficult to render in crayon as you make it sound.

[Fyraltari]

The dragon has a broken horn. It's curious that Sunny has information anout how Kraagor and the Snarl looks like. Can Sunny see Serini's memories?

They're stick figures.

[Precure]

They're stick figures.

I don't think they're supposed to be stick figures.

[Mastikator]

The dragon has a broken horn. It's curious that Sunny has information anout how Kraagor and the Snarl looks like. Can Sunny see Serini's memories?

She showed him how he looks like, Sunny filled in the details with his imagination. Then all the details were removed because they're stick figures

[Fyraltari]

I don't think they're supposed to be stick figures.

They're (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0229.html) stick (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0339.html) figures (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0778.html).

[Grey Watcher]

Um, Kraagor hasd a literal statue not far from where Sunny lives. All Serini had to tell 'em was the colour of his hair. As for the Snarl, "tangle of blue and purple lines with two floating red eyes" is not as difficult to render in crayon as you make it sound.

"Mom, what color was Kraagor's hair?" -something Sunny probably said while drawing

[Mike Havran]

The dragon has a broken horn. It's curious that Sunny has information anout how Kraagor and the Snarl looks like. Can Sunny see Serini's memories?Hey, now that you've pointed out the broken horn I'm convinced the dragon will appear at some point of the comic. It does not make sense to include it if the aim was to depict a random heroic tale, and it's not a reference to any other existing character as far as I know. The Giant is very good at subtle hints like that.

[hroþila]

It does not make sense to include it if the aim was to depict a random heroic tale
Why not? ??????filler characters

[Peelee]

Hey, now that you've pointed out the broken horn I'm convinced the dragon will appear at some point of the comic. It does not make sense to include it if the aim was to depict a random heroic tale, and it's not a reference to any other existing character as far as I know. The Giant is very good at subtle hints like that.


I love the certainty expressed here. The fun part is that Sunken Valley PM'd me to come back him up on this thread, and he is totally and utterly wrong.

The lizardfolk details are world-building, not foreshadowing. It's the first clue that in part of this world (the part that the Oracle hails from), lizardfolk can be civilized businesspeople engaged in long-term contracts, as opposed to most D&D worlds where they run around in swamps with crude spears. It's a sneak peak at what the Western Continent will look like when we get there: half human, half reptilian. That's it.

The Oracle says, "Say hello to your boss for me," because it's small talk, and he's being friendly. Given that the Oracle is usually a jackass, this in turn reveals something about his personality: He is friendly and jovial to fellow reptilians, but not to mammals.

In other words, Conservation of Detail is overrated.

It makes perfect sense of the aim of world building.

[Fyraltari]

It makes perfect sense of the aim of world building.

I think it could go either way. If the scribblers knew about the World-Within, then their past adventures could become relevant, in turn meaning this drawing could be foreshadowing.

BUT it could also be that The Giant wanted Sunny to draw something random for variety's sake and he put in Serini and Kraagor meeting a dragon with a broken horn because why not? Hell, giving the dragon a broken horn might have been a way to avoid theorizing along the lines of "Serini is working with the Empress of Blood" or whatnot.

[Grey Watcher]

... Hell, giving the dragon a broken horn might have been a way to avoid theorizing along the lines of "Serini is working with the Empress of Blood" or whatnot.

Are you suggesting it might be... anti-foreshadowing?

[Fyraltari]

Are you suggesting it might be... anti-foreshadowing?

Foreshadowon't.

[Mike Havran]

Why not? ??????filler charactersBecause if it is a heroic tale that will not affect the story forward in any way, the dragon needs no distinguishing feature. Whereas if the dragon will play a part in the story in the future, it's convenient to give it a distinguishing feature so the story feels more interconnected when it happens.


It makes perfect sense of the aim of world building.I'm uncertain how, in case the dragon itself does not appear again.


Hell, giving the dragon a broken horn might have been a way to avoid theorizing along the lines of "Serini is working with the Empress of Blood" or whatnot. As if there was a way to stop wild theories from cropping up on this forum :smallamused:


Are you suggesting it might be... anti-foreshadowing?
Backshadowing.

[Fyraltari]

Because if it is a heroic tale that will not affect the story forward in any way, the dragon needs no distinguishing feature. Whereas if the dragon will play a part in the story in the future, it's convenient to give it a distinguishing feature so the story feels more interconnected when it happens.

I'm uncertain how, in case the dragon itself does not appear again.

because it gives a sense of Serini having had adventures that are unrelated to th emain plot, thus making the wold seem more lived in? Introducing elements that have no explaantions but could be explained in a many ways is a frequent writing trick.

For example I still remember that in the second (I think? might be third) Eragon book, there's a random guard with premature white hair. Why and how this random dude's hair turned five decades in advance is never explained and he never really matters to the story, but it helps giving a sensation of depth to the world.

[pearl jam]

The mother of one of my childhood friends had basically all white hair from her twenties. It happens to some people.

[Peelee]

I'm uncertain how, in case the dragon itself does not appear again.

Allow me to paraphrase.

The lizardfolk dragon with the broken horn details are world-building, not foreshadowing. It's the first a clue that in part of this world (the part that the Oracle Order of the Scribble hails from), lizardfolk can be civilized businesspeople engaged in long-term contracts, as opposed to most D&D worlds where they run around in swamps with crude spears adventurers fight monsters. It's a sneak peak at what the Western Continent will look like when we get there: half human, half reptilian Order of the Scribble used to do. That's it.

In other words, Conservation of Detail is overrated.

[Fyraltari]

The mother of one of my childhood friends had basically all white hair from her twenties. It happens to some people.

Yes, I know.

[Metastachydium]

Because if it is a heroic tale that will not affect the story forward in any way, the dragon needs no distinguishing feature. Whereas if the dragon will play a part in the story in the future, it's convenient to give it a distinguishing feature so the story feels more interconnected when it happens.

Well, the dracocentaur, the half-dragon with the world's smallest tower shield, the robed half-dragon mage (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0639.html), the four sexist adventurers in the Inn (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0710.html), the warlock, the soulknife and the monk in the Sunrise Bloody Sunrise (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0730.html), Sir Francois's murderhobo companions (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0975.html), that guy who tries to buy polearms from Jiminy (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0942.html), the female monsters in Dorukan's Bathroom (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0087.html) &c. &c. all look pretty distinctive to me.

[Precure]

They are all real people, whereas dragon with broken horn is something Sunny drawn.

[Fyraltari]

They are all real people, whereas dragon with broken horn is something Sunny drawn.

What difference does that make?

[Precure]

What difference does that make?

There is three drawings: one is of their family, other is of the thing they vow to protect world from, third one is the dragon with broken horn. It has to have some emotional impact on Sunny, or else they wouldn't put it there.

[InvisibleBison]

There is three drawings: one is of their family, other is of the thing they vow to protect world from, third one is the dragon with broken horn. It has to have some emotional impact on Sunny, or else they wouldn't put it there.

Yes, but that emotional impact could very well have been satisfaction with a really good drawing of a dragon.

[Fyraltari]

There is three drawings: one is of their family, other is of the thing they vow to protect world from, third one is the dragon with broken horn. It has to have some emotional impact on Sunny, or else they wouldn't put it there.

It appears to show Serini and Kraagor fighting or talking with that dragon. This lay simply be Sunny's favorite bed time story from Mum's old adventuring days.

[Precure]

It appears to show Serini and Kraagor fighting or talking with that dragon. This lay simply be Sunny's favorite bed time story from Mum's old adventuring days.

And hopefully we'll see that story's details.

[Mike Havran]

Allow me to paraphrase.

The lizardfolk dragon with the broken horn details are world-building, not foreshadowing. It's the first a clue that in part of this world (the part that the Oracle Order of the Scribble hails from), lizardfolk can be civilized businesspeople engaged in long-term contracts, as opposed to most D&D worlds where they run around in swamps with crude spears adventurers fight monsters. It's a sneak peak at what the Western Continent will look like when we get there: half human, half reptilian Order of the Scribble used to do. That's it.

In other words, Conservation of Detail is overrated.
Well, what more can I say? I believe the broken horn is significant and a foreshadowing, you think it's an insignificant worldbuilding detail. We'll see.

[Peelee]

Well, what more can I say? I believe the broken horn is significant and a foreshadowing, you think it's an insignificant worldbuilding detail. We'll see.

This isn't the culmination of me saying "it absolutely has to be worldbuilding." This is the culmination of you saying "it does not make sense to include it if the aim was to depict a random heroic tale". That is objectively incorrect. It does make sense. I'm not saying it has to be worldbuilding or it cannot be foreshadowing, I'm saying your statement on narrative purpose is demonstrably wrong.

[Mike Havran]

This isn't the culmination of me saying "it absolutely has to be worldbuilding." This is the culmination of you saying "it does not make sense to include it if the aim was to depict a random heroic tale". That is objectively incorrect. It does make sense. I'm not saying it has to be worldbuilding or it cannot be foreshadowing, I'm saying your statement on narrative purpose is demonstrably wrong.
OK, point taken.

[littlebum2002]

This guy has a very distinctive scar over his now blind eye and beard stubble that we haven't seen anywhere else in the comic. So since he has distinguishing features does that mean we will see him again?

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0736.html

[Precure]

This guy has a very distinctive scar over his now blind eye and beard stubble that we haven't seen anywhere else in the comic. So since he has distinguishing features does that mean we will see him again?

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0736.html

I'd say (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0748.html) yes. (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0777.html)

[Emanick]

I'd say (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0748.html) yes. (https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0777.html)

Clearly, we will find out during the epilogue that Elan’s plan was to make that guy Emperor of the Western Continent.