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samduke
2022-06-20, 09:28 PM
Summoner (Synthesist)
Eidolon Evolution Question regarding the Large Evolution

if the Summoner is already Large Sized due to Race, does the Large evolution not apply and go directly to Huge for 6 ev points?




Large (Ex) An eidolon grows in size, becoming Large. The eidolon gains a +8 bonus to Strength, a +4 bonus to Constitution, and a +2 bonus to its natural armor. It takes a –2 penalty to its Dexterity. This size change also gives the creature a –1 size penalty to its AC and on attack rolls, a +1 bonus to its CMB and CMD, a –2 penalty on Fly skill checks, and a –4 penalty on Stealth skill checks. If the eidolon has the biped base form, it also gains 10-foot reach. Any reach evolutions the eidolon possesses are added to this total. The eidolon must be Medium to take this evolution. The summoner must be at least 8th level before selecting this evolution.

the eidolon instead becomes Huge. The eidolon gains a +16 bonus to Strength, a +8 bonus to Constitution, and a +5 bonus to its natural armor. It takes a –4 penalty to its Dexterity. This size change also give the creature a –2 size penalty to its AC and attack rolls, a +2 bonus to its CMB and CMD, 10-foot reach, a –4 penalty on Fly skill checks, and a –8 penalty on Stealth skill checks. If the eidolon has the biped base form, its reach increases to 15 feet (10 feet for all other base forms). Any reach evolutions the eidolon possesses are added to this total. These bonuses and penalties replace, and do not stack with, those gained from becoming Large. The summoner must be at least 13th level before selecting this option.
The ability increase evolution costs twice as much (4 evolution points) when adding to the Strength or Constitution scores of a Large or Huge eidolon

Jack_Simth
2022-06-20, 09:38 PM
No. It means you can't select an Eidolon that doesn't have the Large evolution, just like a Human can'tpick an Avian eidolon withoutspending the points to make it medium. Which is a problem prior to 8th.

samduke
2022-06-21, 12:59 AM
No. It means you can't select an Eidolon that doesn't have the Large evolution, just like a Human can'tpick an Avian eidolon withoutspending the points to make it medium. Which is a problem prior to 8th.

that was not the question

Synthesist
The synthesist wears the eidolon like translucent, living armor,
The eidolon is, in effect, the synthesist's armor


Edited
I guess the answer is get the large evolution then the huge

Jack_Simth
2022-06-21, 05:40 AM
Direct quote from Synthesist:

The eidolon must be at least the same size as the synthesist.
No, you don't get Large for free. You MUST buy large to be a Synthesist.