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Myth27
2022-06-23, 05:20 PM
Guardian Shape
The rites of your circle grant you the ability to
transform into more dangerous animal forms
embodying the mythic forces who inhabit Hell.
Starting at 2nd level, you gain additional beast
forms as listed in the following table.

Druid Level
2nd Dark forest panther
6th Minotaur
1Oth Fury
14th Medusa

The Minotaur is the phb minotaur, fury and Medusa are homebrew creature with the ability to talk and hands (like the Minotaur) do you think this means you can cast spells while transoformed ?

RogueJK
2022-06-23, 05:24 PM
Not unless it has specific language in the subclass ability that overrules the base Wild Shape rule stating: "While you are transformed, the following rules apply... You can’t cast spells".

And I don't see anything in what you've posted that would suggest that is the case.

It's not about whether the beast shape has hands and/or can speak. It's a specific limitation of Wild Shape that you cannot cast spells while transformed.

After all, beasts like Raccoons and Giant Apes have human-style hands, and beasts like Giant Elks and Giant Eagles can speak. But regardless, you still cannot cast spells while Wild Shaped into any of those forms.

A Druid could even go so far as to take Sorcerer levels or the Metamagic Adept feat to gain the Subtle Spell metamagic, and it still wouldn't matter... You've completely removed the Verbal and Somatic components of spellcasting, but it doesn't change the rule stating that you cannot cast spells while Wild Shaped. (At least until Druid Level 18.)

Myth27
2022-06-24, 05:32 AM
Not unless it has specific language in the subclass ability that overrules the base Wild Shape rule stating: "While you are transformed, the following rules apply... You can’t cast spells".

And I don't see anything in what you've posted that would suggest that is the case.

It's not about whether the beast shape has hands and/or can speak. It's a specific limitation of Wild Shape that you cannot cast spells while transformed.

After all, beasts like Raccoons and Giant Apes have human-style hands, and beasts like Giant Elks and Giant Eagles can speak. But regardless, you still cannot cast spells while Wild Shaped into any of those forms.

A Druid could even go so far as to take Sorcerer levels or the Metamagic Adept feat to gain the Subtle Spell metamagic, and it still wouldn't matter... You've completely removed the Verbal and Somatic components of spellcasting, but it doesn't change the rule stating that you cannot cast spells while Wild Shaped. (At least until Druid Level 18.)

Good point, thank you :)