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HalfTangible

2022-06-24, 09:44 AM

Rules for Random Banter

1. Spam. For RB, one-word posts are generally considered spam. Likewise, posts that are nothing but *actions like this* are also be considered spam. Remember that the quality of the post's content is much better than the speed of your response.

2. This isn't the Play by Post or Town forum, nor is it the Silly Message Board Games or Structured Games forum. Please avoid continuous roleplay or mock battles and fights such as the "competition for control of the universe".

3. If it's already a thread, don't bring it to RB. RB has such a huge range of subject matter even restricted to the little snippets that probably don't warrant their thread, it doesn't need legitimate thread topics cluttering it up as well. The exception to this is to bring something off-topic from one thread, but on-topic for RB and the subject doesn't warrant a thread of its own.

4. Don't advertise other threads in RB. Just because these new threads move at speeds more appropriate to a message board than an IM session doesn't mean you need to come over to RB and browbeat people into posting in your latest brainchild.

5. Please don't post single-line posts alerting us to your current status -- as in "I'm back." This is Random Banter, not "How to stalk Random GitP forum members."

6. Don't poke, kick or bump the thread. It will move at whatever pace it wants to. Also, please refrain from Captain Obvious comments akin to "My, the thread is fast today."

7. Random Banter can only be as good, or as entertaining, as you make it. Demands to be entertained will fall on deaf ears unless you can add something more meaningful to the conversation.

8. As this is a public forum, where the current topic is nicely recorded for you, and not a conversation where you could have missed the beginning, please refrain from asking something to the effect of "What's the topic?". Please take the time to read up a bit first.

9. Thread Creator must include the words "Random" and "Banter" as well as the thread #. Try to be concise as well.

10. Every post should contain two visible, legible complete sentences, Subject and Predicate. C'mon, make your old English teachers proud.

11. Remember, Random Banter is not your IM client. If you want to have a back and forth discussion with just one person, look in their contact information for IM details.

12. Whenever a new thread is created, all "first post", "first-page", and all posts of that nature will be deleted by the administrators. Please avoid doing this, as it is frustrating for them to deal with one-lined posts like this.

13. Double-posting is not your friend. We have edit buttons for a reason.

14. Once you have made a Random Banter thread, you must wait for 12 threads before making another one.

15. If you can avoid dibs calling on making the next thread, that will avoid people needing to wait if the thread hits 50 pages while the dibs-caller is asleep.

Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)
Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
(https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124786)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)
Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
Gwyn's Gloriously Green Garrumphing Garter of Garrulous Gabble! Random Banter #162 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203954)
Eruantion's Euphoric, Elephant-filled Elevated Epoch of Eurhythmic Random Banter #163 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205487)
ATW's Awesome Androgynous Avaricious Azure Ardent Adamant Alluvial Random Banter #164 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207269)
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Bartmanhomer

2022-06-24, 09:49 AM

I'm very happy that summer is here. Even though I'm a winter person. :smile:

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-24, 10:00 AM

...You know that episode of King of the Hill where Dale infests hank's lawn with fire ants and then when Hankk can''t get rid of them and hires Dale deliberatly uses far harsher pesticides than necessary in excessive amounts to kill Hank's lawn entirely, leaving Hank with nothing but a patch of mud and so broken in spirit that he doesn't want another lawn?

I swear you must make these shows up.

Now if you'll excuse me I've got to dig out a programme where a handyman hides a badger from his boss.

Bartmanhomer

2022-06-24, 10:01 AM

I swear you must make these shows up.

Now if you'll excuse me I've got to dig out a programme where a handyman hides a badger from his boss.

I was thinking the same thing if that was true or not.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-24, 10:10 AM

I was thinking the same thing if that was true or not.

I never joke about that show. It's the primary culprit for Britain's widespread mashed potato phobia.

Bartmanhomer

2022-06-24, 10:12 AM

I never joke about that show. It's the primary culprit for Britain's widespread mashed potato phobia.

Is that a thing in the U.K? No seriously. :confused:

Peelee

2022-06-24, 10:17 AM

Is that a thing in the U.K? No seriously. :confused:

No, but they are fairly big fans of mashed chicken.

Bartmanhomer

2022-06-24, 10:19 AM

No, but they are fairly big fans of mashed chicken.

I think mashed chicken ruin my childhood.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-24, 10:22 AM

No, but they are fairly big fans of mashed chicken.

That's malicious slander.

It's boiled chicken. Mashing doesn't remove the flavour

Peelee

2022-06-24, 10:23 AM

That's malicious slander.

It's boiled chicken. Mashing doesn't remove the flavour

Oh, right, sorry. Mashed chicken is a delicacy on the moon.

Bartmanhomer

2022-06-24, 10:24 AM

What about slander chicken?

Rater202

2022-06-24, 10:24 AM

I swear you must make these shows up.

I didn't even mention that in that same episode Hank's Son Bobby took in a fire ant queen, sniffed it for some reason... And exposure to its hormones both gave him the ability to communicate with it and enslaved him to its will up until he returned it to the nest where he was freed from it's control and then immediately by millions of fire ants.

Meanwhile, Hank has realized what Dale did and is about to murder him in a fit of rage when Bobby omes wondering by panicking and Dale redeems himself by grabbing Bobby's hand, causing the fire ants to swarm and bite him instead.

By all means, this should have killed Dale several times over: Fire ants are venomous and millions is well past the LD50 for even the heartiest humans. Instead, while he was visible covered in bites, all that really happened was a subdued "ouch" and his being slightly woozy.

LaZodiac

2022-06-24, 10:30 AM

I didn't even mention that in that same episode Hank's Son Bobby took in a fire ant queen, sniffed it for some reason... And exposure to its hormones both gave him the ability to communicate with it and enslaved him to its will up until he returned it to the nest where he was freed from it's control and then immediately by millions of fire ants.

Meanwhile, Hank has realized what Dale did and is about to murder him in a fit of rage when Bobby omes wondering by panicking and Dale redeems himself by grabbing Bobby's hand, causing the fire ants to swarm and bite him instead.

By all means, this should have killed Dale several times over: Fire ants are venomous and millions is well past the LD50 for even the heartiest humans. Instead, while he was visible covered in bites, all that really happened was a subdued "ouch" and his being slightly woozy.

Sometimes it's fun to remember that King of the Hill, as human as it is... is still a comedy made by the guys who made Beevis and Butthead.

Peelee

2022-06-24, 10:33 AM

Imean Bobby was just playing around, as kids are wont to do.

Keltest

2022-06-24, 10:34 AM

Imean Bobby was just playing around, as kids are wont to do.

Given the things Rater has said, I'm kind of forced to wonder sometimes.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-24, 10:38 AM

And you all say Monty Python makes no sense. You lost me at the word 'of'.

Rater202

2022-06-24, 10:39 AM

Sometimes it's fun to remember that King of the Hill, as human as it is... is still a comedy made by the guys who made Beevis and Butthead.

There's a reason why I want a Yakuza-style game starring Hank and the Gang. While it's very down-to-earth and subtle most of the time it's got enough bat**** insanity and outright supernatural phenomena under the surface to be very interesting with that kind of scenario.

I believe I shared a vague outline for it: It's a year or two after the show, Arlen's a little less safe, and the gang decides they need to start getting into shape and practicing self-defense just for their own safety to justify the "martial arts" aspect that comes from such games.

I've even come up with an inciting incident: Hank gets mugged and doesn't have any cash on his person, the muggers don't believe him, and Hank is forced to kick a man in the groin to defend himself—as one may recall from Bobby Goes Nuts, Hank considers striking below the belt under any circumstances to be inexcusable. He believes you need to always fight fair, even if you're outnumbered or the other guy isn't so needing to resort to something so dishonorable to save his own life would shake him to the core and provide serious motivation.

Peelee

2022-06-24, 10:53 AM

Given the things Rater has said, I'm kind of forced to wonder sometimes.

Yeah, it's funny to warp some things beyond the clearly intended low-key quasi-realism, but I just enjoy it for what it is.

Rater202

2022-06-24, 10:54 AM

Yeah, it's funny to warp some things beyond the clearly intended low-key quasi-realism, but I just enjoy it for what it is.

Look, I'm not gonna lie, that did not seem like Bobby was just playing around.

LaZodiac

2022-06-24, 10:57 AM

Imean Bobby was just playing around, as kids are wont to do.

True. And he IS the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama, so connecting with animals and having fun with it makes sense!

There's a reason why I want a Yakuza-style game starring Hank and the Gang. While it's very down-to-earth and subtle most of the time it's got enough bat**** insanity and outright supernatural phenomena under the surface to be very interesting with that kind of scenario.

I believe I shared a vague outline for it: It's a year or two after the show, Arlen's a little less safe, and the gang decides they need to start getting into shape and practicing self-defense just for their own safety to justify the "martial arts" aspect that comes from such games.

I've even come up with an inciting incident: Hank gets mugged and doesn't have any cash on his person, the muggers don't believe him, and Hank is forced to kick a man in the groin to defend himself—as one may recall from Bobby Goes Nuts, Hank considers striking below the belt under any circumstances to be inexcusable. He believes you need to always fight fair, even if you're outnumbered or the other guy isn't so needing to resort to something so dishonorable to save his own life would shake him to the core and provide serious motivation.

Yeah, a Yakuza style game would be perfect for this series if you were to make a game for it.

Rater202

2022-06-24, 11:07 AM

True. And he IS the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama, so connecting with animals and having fun with it makes sense!

He's a reincarnation of a Lama, but not that Lama.

You can't be the reincarnation of someone who hasn't died yet.

And that assumes that you go with the interpretation that the monk conducting the test decided to respect Bobby's wishes. "It's a tough call, but it's mine to make" can be taken in multiple ways.

Keltest

2022-06-24, 11:20 AM

Look, I'm not gonna lie, that did not seem like Bobby was just playing around.

I mean he obviously wasnt "just" playing around, but kids dont hit the breaks on their imaginations nearly as much as adults tend to, and its plenty easy to get caught up in the mental reality you create for yourself while entertaining yourself with your thoughts if you let them go.

Form

2022-06-24, 11:37 AM

Are we missing the link to random banter nr. 237 from the big list o' links?

Bartmanhomer

2022-06-24, 11:39 AM

Are we missing the link to random banter nr. 237 from the big list o' links?

My Random Banter Thread is forbidden to tell the tale. :tongue:

Peelee

2022-06-24, 12:57 PM

I mean he obviously wasnt "just" playing around, but kids dont hit the breaks on their imaginations nearly as much as adults tend to, and its plenty easy to get caught up in the mental reality you create for yourself while entertaining yourself with your thoughts if you let them go.

Agreed. He may have believed it but lying to yourself isn't uncommon.

Rater202

2022-06-24, 01:46 PM

Agreed. He may have believed it but lying to yourself isn't uncommon.

Okay.

But even if we disregard that there are still some out of the ordinary situations in the show: For example, the ending of Buckley's Angel showed Buckley's Angel walking away... When Luanne is not there to interact with him, indicating that he was not a hallucination and was in fact an actual angel, meaning that angels are real in their world and that it's possible for a dead human to become one.

DataNinja

2022-06-24, 07:17 PM

Ah, the new thread smell. For some reason, this one seems only half as strong, though.

In other news, nice weather has finally arrived. Only took... half the year.

Peelee

2022-06-24, 07:29 PM

Ah, the new thread smell. For some reason, this one seems only half as strong, though.
Funny you should say that, I just got some citrus-scented epsom salts and had a delightful soak. Even though standard bathtub sizes are ridiculously too short and too shallow. I'll never understand why...

In other news, nice weather has finally arrived. Only took... half the year.
100+ F? Nah, that arrived last week.

BisectedBrioche

2022-06-25, 06:52 PM

So, I've started a blog (mostly to talk about whatever comes up in my streams that I want to talk about a bit more).

For a first post I just went and wrote about 2,500 words on why I love tiefling rogues (https://bisectedbrioche.wordpress.com/2022/06/24/why-a-tiefling-rogue/). :smallamused:

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-26, 06:04 AM

BisectedBrioche

2022-06-26, 08:39 AM

I'm guessing this is reasons that aren't the flexibility or skintight leather armour?

Not directly, no. ¬_¬

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-26, 02:35 PM

Not directly, no. ¬_¬

Bah, everybody wants to wear skintight leather armour.

I mean, I like your post, and it lines up with part of the reason I tend to play magicians. But really, don't we all wish it was practical to go around wearing skintight leather :smalltongue:

Although I suppose the female mages generally weren't wearing skintight leather. Or clothing in many cases. Although shapeless robes and tunics tend to be my go-to for characters these days.

BisectedBrioche

2022-06-26, 03:00 PM

Bah, everybody wants to wear skintight leather armour.

I mean, I like your post, and it lines up with part of the reason I tend to play magicians. But really, don't we all wish it was practical to go around wearing skintight leather :smalltongue:

Although I suppose the female mages generally weren't wearing skintight leather. Or clothing in many cases. Although shapeless robes and tunics tend to be my go-to for characters these days.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm kind of low key sad that society frowns on wearing skintight leather armour with daggers. :smallwink:

LaZodiac

2022-06-26, 04:38 PM

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm kind of low key sad that society frowns on wearing skintight leather armour with daggers. :smallwink:

There's a lady who dresses like a full on vampire hunter who lives up here, so live your dream girl.

HalfTangible

2022-06-26, 06:09 PM

Ah, the new thread smell. For some reason, this one seems only half as strong, though.

Well I haven't gone to the gym regularly since moving to another state...

There's a lady who dresses like a full on vampire hunter who lives up here, so live your dream girl.

Dresses like? How do you know she isn't one? :smallwink::smalltongue:

Keltest

2022-06-26, 07:07 PM

Dresses like? How do you know she isn't one? :smallwink::smalltongue:

Everybody knows that the werewolves kicked the vampires out of Canada decades ago. It would be silly to look for them there.

LaZodiac

2022-06-26, 10:44 PM

Well I haven't gone to the gym regularly since moving to another state...

Dresses like? How do you know she isn't one? :smallwink::smalltongue:

Think about how hard it'd be to be a vampire in a place with near 24/7 sunlight for half the year.

Peelee

2022-06-26, 10:51 PM

Think about how hard it'd be to be a vampire in a place with near 24/7 sunlight for half the year.

For reals. It'd be much easier to be a vampire in a place with sunlight for like 45 minutes for the entire year. Like England.

Rater202

2022-06-26, 10:55 PM

For reals. It'd be much easier to be a vampire in a place with sunlight for like 45 minutes for the entire year. Like England.

Umhmm. Plenty of times for the vampire to take long enthusiastic walks.

DataNinja

2022-06-27, 01:20 AM

Bah, everybody wants to wear skintight leather armour.

...no, no thanks, I'm good. Even if I was comfortable enough wearing skintight clothes, leather's about the last thing I'd want to wear. XP

BisectedBrioche

2022-06-27, 04:53 AM

There's a lady who dresses like a full on vampire hunter who lives up here, so live your dream girl.

Hmmm...well, I guess I need to learn how to work with leather.

HalfTangible

2022-06-27, 08:48 AM

Think about how hard it'd be to be a vampire in a place with near 24/7 sunlight for half the year.

World of Darkness-style vampires? Next to impossible.

Dracula-style only-weaker-in-sunlight vampires? Still hard, but where better to hide?

And what better way to learn to hunt a creature than in an area where it is very weak?

Rater202

2022-06-27, 09:40 AM

I haven't got around to it, but one of the "Jumpchains" I was considering was a themed chain of "vampire hobo living in the back of a hearse travels the multiverse, seeing the sights and righting wrongs."

The hard part is actually getting things set up to do it: You need all the stuff you need to survive as a vampire hobo before you actually become a vampire.

Fyraltari

2022-06-27, 09:56 AM

Rater202

2022-06-27, 10:06 AM

...

I gotta say, this is a weird Doctor Who fanfic.

You say that, but given enough prep-work I could probably work in a Doctor Who Jump and just flat-out make the hearse a TARDIS.

LaZodiac

2022-06-27, 10:11 AM

Hmmm...well, I guess I need to learn how to work with leather.

Do it! One of the most important things to internalize in this day and age is that it doesn't matter. Dress how you want.

World of Darkness-style vampires? Next to impossible.

Dracula-style only-weaker-in-sunlight vampires? Still hard, but where better to hide?

And what better way to learn to hunt a creature than in an area where it is very weak?

I'd ask "why would be the benefit of living up here if half the year the weather makes you feel miserable and weak" but then that's true of regular humans and the winters up here so, valid point. Vampires in the Dracula sense would be pretty good up here too given how polite we are.

I'd be cautious about vampire hunting up here though. Sure, there might be weak vampires coasting on the sunlight serving as a paradoxical protection... but any vampire who is actually worth hunting down that lives up here is going to be super prudent.

Anyway I might have the plague ;_;

Rater202

2022-06-27, 10:19 AM

Anyway I might have the plague ;_;

Oh no! Do... Do whatever it is you're supposed to do.

Peelee

2022-06-27, 11:35 AM

These last couple weeks have been great for my Pokemon Go. I now have a Mega version of each OG starter and also finally got a Mewtwo. And I'm excited for future legendary raids.

Bah, everybody wants to wear skintight leather armour.

No vegans in England, I take it?

LaZodiac

2022-06-27, 02:22 PM

Oh no! Do... Do whatever it is you're supposed to do.

I'm doing what I can. Will be getting a test shortly so I can see if it is plague or not.

I kinda hope it's plague if only because if this is just a normal ass flu I'm gonna be genuinely annoyed. I hadn't gotten sick in like, ever since the plague started and I used to get sick all the damn time! I was looking forward to never being sick again!

And because if this is a normal flu or sickness, I do NOT want the plague. I am barely there right now.

Rater202

2022-06-27, 02:39 PM

I'm doing what I can. Will be getting a test shortly so I can see if it is plague or not.

I kinda hope it's plague if only because if this is just a normal ass flu I'm gonna be genuinely annoyed. I hadn't gotten sick in like, ever since the plague started and I used to get sick all the damn time! I was looking forward to never being sick again!

And because if this is a normal flu or sickness, I do NOT want the plague. I am barely there right now.

Oh... Okay ten, fair enough.

Hypothetically, If I found myself with the Powe of Galactus, would anyone here be willing to be my Herald? HAv metal skin, no need for food, air, or water, fly through space at FTL speeds and have a variety of psionic and/or energy-based powers?

Form

2022-06-27, 03:03 PM

Oh... Okay ten, fair enough.

Hypothetically, If I found myself with the Powe of Galactus, would anyone here be willing to be my Herald? HAv metal skin, no need for food, air, or water, fly through space at FTL speeds and have a variety of psionic and/or energy-based powers?

Hmmm, depends. Good work/private balance? Salary? How much travel time are we talking here and is there travel compensation? Does this include a decent retirement plan?

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-27, 03:16 PM

No vegans in England, I take it?

You can want to do something and abstain because it's morally wrong :smallwink:

Rater202

2022-06-27, 03:24 PM

TaiLiu

2022-06-27, 03:58 PM

The cop on the scene said that it was m stepfather's fault for not yielding to the guy who wasn't there when he started crossing.
That's really unfair. And really scary. Hope the situation resolves itself and that your stepdad'll be okay.

Liquor Box

2022-06-27, 04:28 PM

So last Thursday my stepfather was in a car accident. Someone came out of nowhere while my Stepfather was crossing a road (at a legal intersection) and t-boned his truck. Stepfather was okay, other guy was hospialized.

The cop on the scene said that it was m stepfather's fault for not yielding to the guy who wasn't there when he started crossing.

So basically unless the other guy admits fault(the insurance company has been having trouble getting ahold of him) my stepfather's going to be held responsible for somoene else's reckless driving.

If he wasn't there when your stepfather started crossing the intersection, but still collided with him at the intersection, then he must have been moving like an absolute rocket.

Is it possible that your step-father simply didn't check properly so didn't see him?

halfeye

2022-06-27, 04:39 PM

Liquor Box

2022-06-27, 04:53 PM

I had that once. Driver pulled right across the near lane to turn into the far one which he was watching, without looking at the near lane.

So a last minute change of lane, so that he cut you off?

An unexpected lane change is a bit different from a car not being in sight when you take off at an intersection, but still hitting you before you get through it.

LaZodiac

2022-06-27, 05:02 PM

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-27, 05:18 PM

If he wasn't there when your stepfather started crossing the intersection, but still collided with him at the intersection, then he must have been moving like an absolute rocket.

Is it possible that your step-father simply didn't check properly so didn't see him?

A badly placed corner also springs to mind, although I don't know how possible that is. I have bad eyes and the hand-eye coordination of a preteen, learning anything about driving feels like a waste of time.

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.

:smallfrown: hope you have sufficient stocks of tea and chicken soup to last a week.

halfeye

2022-06-27, 06:15 PM

So a last minute change of lane, so that he cut you off?

Nope. He was pulling out of a side road, intending to cross the nearside and join the opposite side. Had clear vision if he looked, and I was close enough to see he didn't look. Not saying right lane/left lane because the USA and UK use different lanes for nearside, so that would just confuse things.

DataNinja

2022-06-28, 12:51 AM

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.

Oh no... make sure to get lots of rest, Zodi, and I hope it passes swiftly.

Fyraltari

2022-06-28, 02:00 AM

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.

Good luck to you.

BisectedBrioche

2022-06-28, 07:18 AM

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.

Take care of yourself. I hope you only experience mild symptoms. :smalleek:

Form

2022-06-28, 10:20 AM

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.

I'd offer hugs, but, you know, plague.

Rater202

2022-06-28, 10:58 AM

Tony Sttark recently, in the comics, did something that made everyone in new york as smart as he was.

Reed Richards literally felt himself get dumber as a result.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-28, 01:48 PM

Tony Sttark recently, in the comics, did something that made everyone in new york as smart as he was.

Reed Richards literally felt himself get dumber as a result.

On the plus side maybe he'll now start licencing his various technologies, such as that bloody universal translator.

Rater202

2022-06-28, 02:07 PM

On the plus side maybe he'll now start licencing his various technologies, such as that bloody universal translator.

Technically tha'ts not on hi, tha'ts on capitalism.

Reed's tech is the kind of thing that completly and utterly destroys various industries overnight. If he tries selling it himself or giving it away he runs into legal troubles and if he sells patents or licenses the people who buy it just sit on it instead of doing anything with it because the short-term profits wouldn't be worth putting themselves out of business.

If you wanna complain about heroes not licensing stuff, complain about Black Panther: Wakanda's been hoarding a universe cure for cancer in humans because they don't think the rest of the world deserves it.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-28, 02:12 PM

If you wanna complain about heroes not licensing stuff, complain about Black Panther: Wakanda's been hoarding a universe cure for cancer in humans because they don't think the rest of the world deserves it.

I never said that Reed was uniquely to blame.

Keltest

2022-06-28, 02:35 PM

Technically tha'ts not on hi, tha'ts on capitalism.

Reed's tech is the kind of thing that completly and utterly destroys various industries overnight. If he tries selling it himself or giving it away he runs into legal troubles and if he sells patents or licenses the people who buy it just sit on it instead of doing anything with it because the short-term profits wouldn't be worth putting themselves out of business.

If you wanna complain about heroes not licensing stuff, complain about Black Panther: Wakanda's been hoarding a universe cure for cancer in humans because they don't think the rest of the world deserves it.

I refuse to believe that Reed Richards can't just hire a lawyer to help him sell a universal translator. If nothing else governments would be begging him for that kind of tech.

Rater202

2022-06-28, 03:00 PM

I refuse to believe that Reed Richards can't just hire a lawyer to help him sell a universal translator. If nothing else governments would be begging him for that kind of tech.

The universal translator specifically is a differant issue: Everyone already has those. They just get independently invented or scavenged from alien ships or whatever.

Also the Reed Richards is useless trope is a little exageratd. Some of his stuff does get sold. It's not uncommon to find expensive designer clothes and military-grade uniforms made of Unstable Molecules.

TaiLiu

2022-06-29, 12:10 AM

Well, i can confirm I am covid positive. Thanks for the support, friends.
Feel better soon! A family member caught it, too. Sucks a lot.

Khedrac

2022-06-29, 02:37 AM

Good luck to those with COVID (including my boss).

On the super-tech front I like the concept used by some authors where people whose superpowers include "intelligence" or "inventing" or similar can create wonderful technology, let's call it "super-tech" but it doesn't work when made by people without a similar superpower. This means that whilst Reed Richards or whoever can invent really useful gadgets for themselves, and Dr Doom etc. can build themselves a robot army, they cannot pass the designs to someone else to mass produce. There are likely to be some "supers" out there who will produce super-tech for people, (their powers are not enough for them to make more money in other ways) but it's all going to be bespoke.

This doesn't solve the Wakanda problem unless they have enough people with such powers to staff their factories.

Fyraltari

2022-06-29, 03:38 AM

Tony Sttark recently, in the comics, did something that made everyone in new york as smart as he was.

Reed Richards literally felt himself get dumber as a result.

Judging from the few decisions I am aware of Tony Stark taking, I'm going to guess that so did most of the city.

Rater202

2022-06-29, 03:46 AM

Judging from the few decisions I am aware of Tony Stark taking, I'm going to guess that so did most of the city.
You're confusing intelligence with wisdom.

Tony is very intelligent, but he has very little sense.

He once brought a symbiote to fight someone who can control symbiotes and now Carnage has Stark Tech.

Fyraltari

2022-06-29, 04:07 AM

You're confusing intelligence with wisdom.

Wisdom is understood as a (one of many) form of intelligence literally everywhere but Dungeons and Dragons, my dude.

Peelee

2022-06-29, 06:20 AM

Wisdom is understood as a (one of many) form of intelligence literally everywhere but Dungeons and Dragons, my dude.

Ok top of that, it's impossible for a character to be smarter than the writer. Sure, you can have your character invent whatever you want because of their super brains, but as soon as they need to talk and make decisions, their intelligence jumps right back down to normal levels.

Fyraltari

2022-06-29, 07:59 AM

Ok top of that, it's impossible for a character to be smarter than the writer. Sure, you can have your character invent whatever you want because of their super brains, but as soon as they need to talk and make decisions, their intelligence jumps right back down to normal levels.

Unless you need gratuituous conflict to pad your story/justify your poorly-planned crossover event where one half of your cast fights the other half, in which case their intelligence jumps way further down. Something Mr. Stark is very familiar with.

Rater202

2022-06-29, 08:52 AM

If you're referring to the Civil War, that wasn't stupidity... Not on Tony's part, at least.

In the movie, Tony was emotionally comprised and manipulated by Ross.

In the comics, Tony found out that if the superhuman registration act didn't pass that the Government was just going to start extra-legally executing superhumans and costumed adventurers and was arrogant enough to think that Superhuman Registration woulnd't be so bad if he was the one running it so signed on with the Government thinking it was the lesser of two evils.

Arrogance isn't stupidity. Arrogance is arrogance.

OTher people involved in both versions of the event were stupid, but...

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-29, 10:02 AM

It's not uncommon to find expensive designer clothes and military-grade uniforms made of Unstable Molecules.

It says something about the Marvel universe that rapidly decaying clothes are seen as desirable.

I'm just not 100% sure what it's saying. I guess it depends on if this is a fast decay or extremely fast energetic decay.

Rater202

2022-06-29, 10:23 AM

It says something about the Marvel universe that rapidly decaying clothes are seen as desirable.

I'm just not 100% sure what it's saying. I guess it depends on if this is a fast decay or extremely fast energetic decay.

Okay, so I know that the name doens't make sense.

It's just technobabble that Stan Lee made up to explain why Reed Richards's costumes stretch with him, Sue Storm's clothes turn invisible with her, and why Johnny's clothes don't turn away when he Flames On.

When you read "Unstable Molecules" just read "Magical Clothing that grows with you and doesn't get wrecked f you use your super powers while wearing it."

More in-depth, it's a substance that Reed covered the means of manufacturing that has a highly variable molecular structure that means that it possesses context-sensitive properties. So, for example, if you want lightweight flexible body armor or a material that can interact with a portable computer to blend in with the environment around it for octopus-like camouflage? Or if you want "mood" clothes? Yeah.

In addition to all of the Fantastic four's costumes, the X-Men were also early adopters of the technology(IE, they were using it for their costumes before it was widely available on the open market.)

Some time travel and AU stories have also established that by 2099 Unstable Molecules will be common enough that, while not ubiquitous, it's not unreasonable for someone to just have an unstable molecule costume on hand, but in the modern-day maintaining them is too expensive for them to be anything other that hero costumes, military gear, or designer clothes.

Interesting Side Note: The only other substance in the universe that has properties similar to Unstable molecules is Living Abyss, a form of Anti-Life condensed into solid form and given pseudo-life by Knull, Primordial Elder God of the Void. (And What If? Spider-Man: Spider's Shadow shows that the technology Reed uses to make Unstable Molecule Costumes can be used to remove a symbiote's weaknesses to fire and sound... And let them reproduce about a dozen dozen times.)

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-29, 10:42 AM

I really wouldn't give The Human Torch an unstable costume, unless you're looking to create The Human Dynamite.

Yes, I knew full well that Unstable Molecules was Magic Spandex already, I just hate the name. Then again I've mostly gone off the spandex look unless it's a) clearly a thick material or b) there's something over it.

Peelee

2022-06-29, 11:43 AM

Interesting Side Note: The only other substance in the universe that has properties similar to Unstable molecules is Living Abyss, a form of Anti-Life

https://c.tenor.com/aGR6OVyAVQsAAAAd/laugh-harder-oh.gif

Fyraltari

2022-06-29, 11:53 AM

It says something about the Marvel universe that rapidly decaying clothes are seen as desirable.

I'm just not 100% sure what it's saying. I guess it depends on if this is a fast decay or extremely fast energetic decay.

No, actually that makes a lot of sense. The whole point of luxury items is to flaunt your wealth by purchasing stuff you very clearly don't need and isn't as efficient or long-lasting as the cheaper stuff. Think of people always buying the latest Apple product instead of something that actually last two weeks without breaking.

Hyper-expensive self-destroying clothes as a fashion statement fit that model like a glove.

Rater202

2022-06-29, 12:03 PM

https://c.tenor.com/aGR6OVyAVQsAAAAd/laugh-harder-oh.gif

I'm not sure what you're laughing at and thus am snot sure how to respond.

My point was that I thought it was interesting that the only other substance in the setting that is as versatile a material as something Reed invented over the course of a weekend is a substance created by an allusion to Hastur out of an immaterial concept that is antithetical to the nature of the universe.

Anonymouswizard

2022-06-29, 12:10 PM

I just realised I was trying to MAKE SENSE of Marvel stories.

Excuse me while I go beat myself across the head with Caves of Steel so I can understand logical storytelling again.

Keltest

2022-06-29, 12:47 PM

I'm not sure what you're laughing at and thus am snot sure how to respond.

I rather suspect the answer is "everything."

That whole sentence was a frightening amount of word soup that makes less sense the more you know about it.

Peelee

2022-06-29, 08:22 PM

No, actually that makes a lot of sense. The whole point of luxury items is to flaunt your wealth by purchasing stuff you very clearly don't need and isn't as efficient or long-lasting as the cheaper stuff.
Thats low-end, "cheap" luxury stuff. Common luxury. Think nouveau riche, or the fake-it-til-you-make-it crowd. A lot of high end, luxury items that the obscenely wealthy have are brands you've never heard of, because they don't need the advertising. And they can be actually high quality, because the filthy rich can get anything they want, so without cost being an issue at all, why settle for something inferior?

I'm not sure what you're laughing at and thus am snot sure how to respond.

I'm laughing at Marvel going serious on the silly business. Respond however you lime.

Liquor Box

2022-06-29, 09:32 PM

I don't think luxury is confined to either quality long lasting products, or disposable products, it can include both depending on the type of product and the taste of the person. In the context of clothes, it does seem that they often buy something to only be worn once.

Those who don't have money to spare (the poor, the middle class and the lower upper class) tend to go for value products.

Peelee

2022-06-29, 09:40 PM

Those who don't have money to spare (the poor, the middle class and the lower upper class)

I think you and I have significantly different ideas of the various classes.

Liquor Box

2022-06-29, 09:49 PM

I think you and I have significantly different ideas of the various classes.

Maybe, maybe not.

It's probably just that I wasn't clear. I was just meaning people who don't have money to burn. Those who go for a practical car (anywhere from a budget car to an exec car) instead of flamboyant car like a Lamborghini. In other words, those who are not super rich.

Peelee

2022-06-29, 09:59 PM

Maybe, maybe not.

It's probably just that I wasn't clear. I was just meaning people who don't have money to burn.

I think you and I have significantly different ideas of the various classes (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Global_Wealth_Distribution_2020_(Property).svg/1026px-Global_Wealth_Distribution_2020_(Property).svg.png ).

Qwertystop

2022-06-29, 10:01 PM

Maybe, maybe not.

It's probably just that I wasn't clear. I was just meaning people who don't have money to burn. Those who go for a practical car (anywhere from a budget car to an exec car) instead of flamboyant car like a Lamborghini. In other words, those who are not super rich.

Sure, and if you're upper-class, you almost certainly have money to burn. Middle-class has more variance in definition, but then, an "exec car", if we have the same idea in mind, is still style and spending over substance even if it's not a name with the cachet of Lamborghini or Rolls-Royce, so our definitions of "practical car" are also different.

enderlord99

2022-06-29, 10:05 PM

I think you and I have significantly different ideas of the various classes (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class#/media/File%3AGlobal_Wealth_Distribution_2020_(Property). svg).

I thought I was at the high end of poor or the low end of lower-middle-class, but apparently I'm "miserable" because the total value of stuff I own is less than $10kUSD

Liquor Box

2022-06-29, 10:31 PM

Not sure I'm keen to get into an argument about where the definition of middle class starts and ends. Happy to concede I may have used the term incorrectly.

Rater202

2022-06-29, 10:35 PM

I'm laughing at Marvel going serious on the silly business. Respond however you lime.

The comics version of Phil Coulson used to moderate a fan fiction website for superheroes that he himself knew personally in real life.

halfeye

2022-06-29, 11:25 PM

I think you and I have significantly different ideas of the various classes (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_class#/media/File%3AGlobal_Wealth_Distribution_2020_(Property). svg).

I couldn't see anything indicating what those two columns represent? Was one the first world the other the third world?

<edit> I actually went to Wikipedia to look, seems the left is the number of people, the right is the amount of property owned by all the people of that class?

Liquor Box

2022-06-29, 11:40 PM

I couldn't see anything indicating what those two columns represent? Was one the first world the other the third world?

<edit> I actually went to Wikipedia to look, seems the left is the number of people, the right is the amount of property owned by all the people of that class?

It is actually a more even distribution than I thought. Nearly 50% of adults in the world have assets of tens of thousands of US dollars or more. Given how heavily populated several poor countries are, I would have guessed that number was much lower.

Peelee

2022-06-29, 11:43 PM

I couldn't see anything indicating what those two columns represent? Was one the first world the other the third world?

<edit> I actually went to Wikipedia to look, seems the left is the number of people, the right is the amount of property owned by all the people of that class?

The x-axis is labelled at the bottom of the image. The left column is percentages of adults, the right column is wealth share.

halfeye

2022-06-29, 11:46 PM

The x-axis is labelled at the bottom of the image. The left column is percentages of adults, the right column is wealth share.

Yeah, but something chops the bottom of the image off (in Firefox).

Peelee

2022-06-29, 11:48 PM

Yeah, but something chops the bottom of the image off (in Firefox).

Ah. I got the same in Vivaldi when I just checked (probably not as chopped off, as I could still make out the text well enough), but yeah. Updated the link so that shouldn't happen again.

ETA: Also, gonna take this opportunity to recommend Vivaldi (https://www.pcworld.com/article/696762/6-reasons-to-quit-chrome-and-switch-to-vivaldi-browser.html). One of my favorite things about it is every year there's a new and updated article on a reputable site on the benefits of switching to Vivaldi.:smallwink:

enderlord99

2022-06-30, 12:32 AM

Does vivaldi still work if your mouse only has a middle scrollwheel and not a "thumbwheel"

Peelee

2022-06-30, 12:35 AM

Does vivaldi still work if your mouse only has a middle scrollwheel and not a "thumbwheel"

Fantastically well! You may not be able to use every single feature to its fullest extent, but that's about it. I don't even use it as a power user, I'm just a fan of how sleek and fast it is, among other things (it tends to pioneer things that other browsers eventually integrate later on). I've been a huge fan ever since the days when Opera was still good.

Rater202

2022-06-30, 10:48 PM

A recurring pattern I've noticed in my dreams is that there will be some dangerous creature on the lose that everyone knows about but I'm the only one that sees as a problem.

Like the earliest example was when I was like four and I dreamt that there were two Jurassic park raptors in the house and everyone was either playing with them or trying to make me play with them instead of... ot escaping from the dangerous predators that I knew at the time liked to kill and eat children?

And then just tonight I fell asleep and dreamt that I was being forced to go investigate sightings of a deformed undead child that lures people to a hotel room to kill and eat them and it turns out to be real and everyone knows it's real but I'm the first person to think "hey, maybe we should... Kill the damn thing instead of letting it do what it wants?"

LaZodiac

2022-06-30, 11:45 PM

Lord Raziere

2022-06-30, 11:54 PM

Jee I wonder why "no one seems to care about this very obvious threat killing people" is a recurring element in your dreams.

Anyway hey, update; I'm feeling better! Yay!

Knowing Rater? it might just be a manifestation of his general feeling that people in his life don't listen to him when he points out things that seem obvious to him, thus contributing to his sense of alienation from others.

Glad to hear it Zodi.

Metastachydium

2022-07-01, 04:52 AM

And then just tonight I fell asleep and dreamt that I was being forced to go investigate sightings of a deformed undead child that lures people to a hotel room to kill and eat them and it turns out to be real and everyone knows it's real but I'm the first person to think "hey, maybe we should... Kill the damn thing instead of letting it do what it wants?"

Knowing Rater? it might just be a manifestation of his general feeling that people in his life don't listen to him when he points out things that seem obvious to him, thus contributing to his sense of alienation from others.

Meanwhile, I can't help but wonder how, exactly, a deformed undead child managed to book into a hotel.

Rater202

2022-07-01, 06:14 AM

Meanwhile, I can't help but wonder how, exactly, a deformed undead child managed to book into a hotel.

If I'm recalling the details of the dream, and translating dream logic right, it was a "the hotel is in business but rumored to be haunted" situation.

I can't be 100% sure though because the exact details of the dream were "I was reading a Tvtropes page for an obscure hidden side quest for GTA4 involving a ghost sighting in a random part of town... That looked more like Gotham in Arkham Knight than anywhere in either version of Liberty City, then I was playing it, then I was Niko Bellic, then I was me again, the streets were a hotel, a small child was trying to get me to come back to his room, and then my mom who was also there was telling me that the child was a ghost and it would kill and eat me if I went with it and I'm like "then why is a child still alive?"

The GTA4 parts i can make sense of, Lanipator did a playthrough of that on his gaming channel and I've been watching that. Not sure where the rest of it came from but it fits with a recurring pattern in my dreams.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-01, 07:12 AM

Jee I wonder why "no one seems to care about this very obvious threat killing people" is a recurring element in your dreams.

Anyway hey, update; I'm feeling better! Yay!

You survived the plague! This calls for a celebration!

Rater202

2022-07-01, 07:38 AM

You survived the plague! This calls for a celebration!

I'm all out of fated calves though, so...

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-01, 07:39 AM

I'm all out of fated calves though, so...

I'd suggest lamb instead, but you'd all die from eating mint sauce

Mystic Muse

2022-07-01, 07:43 AM

I'd suggest lamb instead, but you'd all die from eating mint sauce

Yeah, I'll pass on anything mint flavored.

Peelee

2022-07-01, 07:43 AM

I'm all out of fated calves though, so...

That you had any cows of destiny to begin with is impressive enough, frankly.

Yeah, I'll pass on anything mint flavored.
Ahh, another one of my people! I thought I was all there was!

Mystic Muse

2022-07-01, 08:10 AM

Ahh, another one of my people! I thought I was all there was!

Mint is for toothpaste and gum, not something you're supposed to ingest.

Rater202

2022-07-01, 08:22 AM

When you're a child, you want nothing more than to be a teenager. When you're a teen, you want nothing more than to be an adult.

When you're an adult, you want nothing more than to be a disembodied consciousness free from the confines of the decrepit flesh prison you've been cruelly trapped in.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-01, 08:53 AM

Keltest

2022-07-01, 09:00 AM

Tbh at this point I'd take teenager again.

I'll pass. Being a teenager is like being an adult without the perks, like being slightly taller or having disposable income.

Rater202

2022-07-01, 09:09 AM

I'll pass. Being a teenager is like being an adult without the perks, like being slightly taller or having disposable income.

Being a teenager is the worst of both worlds: You have the responsibilities of an adult without any of the experience in knowing how to actually uphold them, but have the virtually nonexsitanct rights of a child without any of the leeway you get from being too young to know better.

"you need to grow up and stop acting like a child. You need to start making grown-up decisions but if you don't make the grown-up decisions I want you to make you are a grounded young man/lady!"

Form

2022-07-01, 09:23 AM

Mint is for toothpaste and gum, not something you're supposed to ingest.

I harbor a special hatred for mint tea. Mint should be cold and sweet, not... warm and tea-like.

Breath mints are ok though.

Peelee

2022-07-01, 09:24 AM

Mint is for toothpaste and gum, not something you're supposed to ingest.

Aaaaand you've lost me. I am again alone in a sea of mint-lovers.

Mystic Muse

2022-07-01, 09:55 AM

Aaaaand you've lost me. I am again alone in a sea of mint-lovers.

I wouldn't say I love it. Those are the only two scenarios where I tolerate it. Haven't found a sugarfree gum with a taste I like, and the options I have for non-ming toothoaste are very limited.

Khedrac

2022-07-01, 10:03 AM

Yeah, I'll pass on anything mint flavored.

Which Mint? "Peppermint" and "Spearmint" are different flavours coming from different, if related, plants.

That said, tastes vary so I have no issues with people who don't care for the flavour of mint, personally I can't stand cola.

Mystic Muse

2022-07-01, 10:08 AM

Which Mint?

D. All of the above.

HalfTangible

2022-07-01, 10:11 AM

Tbh at this point I'd take teenager again.

I'll pass. Being a teenager is like being an adult without the perks, like being slightly taller or having disposable income.

I'm currently paying more to keep living than I have at any other point in my life, but I feel freer than I ever did as a kid, in no small part because I have actual income and can do what I want with it. (also I work remotely)

I can give money to people who need it whenever I want. I can eat pizza whenever I want. I can go out to eat whenever I want. I can go play laser tag whenever I want.

Sure, there's limits to it (I still have yearly/biyearly MRIs I need to be there for and bills every month) but I don't have to work around anyone else's schedule or be voluntold what to do at ever hour of the day like I did as a kid.

This feeling of increased freedom after getting bills to pay might be solely or even largely because I no longer have to take care of my mother (who can no longer walk) on a daily basis.

---

>Have a large file that doesn't move over properly
>Keep trying for more than a day
>Demonstrate it doesn't work to coworkers
>They're just as baffled as i am, nobody can figure it out
>Get on video call to manager to show
>Change nothing
>WORKS 1ST TIME

Ah, software development

Peelee

2022-07-01, 10:37 AM

I wouldn't say I love it. Those are the only two scenarios where I tolerate it. Haven't found a sugarfree gum with a taste I like, and the options I have for non-ming toothoaste are very limited.

I am still livid - livid - that Crest discontinued their Citrus Splash line

Fyraltari

2022-07-01, 10:42 AM

LaZodiac

2022-07-01, 01:50 PM

Mint is for toothpaste and gum, not something you're supposed to ingest.

I love you forever and ever but also I cannot disagree more slams back a 100 pack of tic-tacs.

But of course, that's not bad. To each their own is an important thing!

Mystic Muse

2022-07-01, 01:54 PM

enderlord99

2022-07-01, 02:15 PM

Orange-flavored tictacs are great, but I don't see what that has to do with the prior discussion. :smallwink:

EDIT: The latter half of the sentence was mildly ironic. I'm saying this so my signature doesn't throw things off.

Form

2022-07-01, 02:59 PM

I love you forever and ever but also I cannot disagree more slams back a 100 pack of tic-tacs.

But of course, that's not bad. To each their own is an important thing!

Look, you like pickles, your taste clearly cannot be trusted. :smalltongue:

Wait, wait, I have an idea.....

Mint flavored pickles! Yeah? Yeah!

... or pickle flavored mints?

Orange-flavored tictacs are great, but I don't see what that has to do with the prior discussion. :smallwink:

EDIT: The latter half of the sentence was mildly ironic. I'm saying this so my signature doesn't throw things off.

We can add orange mint flavored pickles too. We're gonna be rich! Rich, I say!

Mystic Muse

2022-07-01, 03:27 PM

Wait, wait, I have an idea.....

Mint flavored pickles! Yeah? Yeah!

... or pickle flavored mints?

We can add orange mint flavored pickles too. We're gonna be rich! Rich, I say!

I'm going to blame you for the existence of pickle-juice slushees.

Rater202

2022-07-01, 03:29 PM

I'm going to blame you for the existence of pickle-juice slushees.

I think a little piece of my soul just died.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-01, 03:31 PM

I think a little piece of my soul just died.

Oh, don't worry those grow back.

At least I hope so. Otherwise I've got a lot of explaining to do.

enderlord99

2022-07-01, 04:15 PM

I'm going to blame you for the existence of pickle-juice slushees.

Those things taste better than they at first sound, IMO.

LaZodiac

2022-07-01, 04:48 PM

Wait, wait, I have an idea.....

Mint flavored pickles! Yeah? Yeah!

... or pickle flavored mints?

... I'm not gonna lie that sounds disgusting but I AM intrigued none the less. I'd absolutely give'em like a shot.

Lord Raziere

2022-07-01, 04:49 PM

my mind has been a usual mix of going through various writing ideas from trying to make an Exalted world with the serial numbers filed off, to trying to get a bunch of cool ideas for a setting down hoping to work backwards from the all things I find cool to make something but nothing, to being indecisive about what powers my protagonist should have, to suddenly making a better start for my story that is more natural than my last one, as well as trying to write my ideas down more often as I think of them and try to lay them out rather than letting sit in my head. also sometimes I wonder if my brother was right about me having undiagnosed ADD, which given my autism is not out of the question but I'm not sure since I can focus on something for hours when I'm really interested in something like when I get a new book and just read it endlessly. but then again I could go for an ATLA inspired world which is probably a good source to work from, maybe I need to make a list of what I will include for certain regardless of details and genre when writing so that I know what my style and foundation is. I've also tried making a map of a world from taking a random generator map that I liked then filling in details and features but I realized that I don't know enough about geography and don't know how to start for the sake of writing, only to be distracted by brother giving me a steam gift card allowing to get a bunch steam games on the sale for my birthday about 11 or 12 days after it happened which is fine, all the while episode 12 of Rotgrind is playing in the background, my life is a storm of ideas sometimes and I only wish I focus long enough to make them come to fruition, like is my protagonists power should be abstract or concrete? how flexible should it be? should it compliment their competence or limit it by making them do more with less?

I need something to focus my writing I think, I go all over the place and nothing gets done.

HalfTangible

2022-07-01, 05:22 PM

Lord Raziere

2022-07-01, 06:02 PM

Why not combine/mix them?

If you're not good at/interested in geography, start with something else you're good at/interested in and work from there. A world where people can manipulate the elements with their bare hands (like Avatar) is naturally going to create ideas and scenarios like "hey what if we had giant pyramid cities surrounded by cliffs, raised up by earthbenders in the past?" or "if these guys can manipulate fire and heat then they would've developed metallurgy faster than the other nations" and similar.

Exalted is a fun setting and we need more like it.

Yes I just came up with that as well, but your expanding on that, yes. I've always thought that the only Airbenders we get were peaceful monks were a little too monoculture even if its a good idea and well executed, like maybe wind-users who are more like raiders? thieves? more pragmatic nomads in general? while Exalted.....the biggest problem/hurdle/issue I think with them is maybe that benders are relatively common and something integrated into society wherever they go, but Exalts are rare and special so you can't just combine completely because I'll have to decide how common the elemental users are, and whats most frustrating is that its incredibly frustrating to come up with a name for the Dragon-blooded alikes/expies because there is no words that encompass all the elements! like element is just so clunky a word to include in anything when the entire point is to have fancy cool names for everything and white wolf/onyx path lucked out on being able to come up with Dragon-Blooded! even Benders have the problem of being synonyms for two things I remember that can make their usage look funny if the person doesn't have the context, and it frustrates me to no end, because all the synonyms of "element" don't WORK! I think title of Inheritors work because it gets across the idea that their elemental powers are inherited and sounds properly mystical? but maybe just Heirs would work better?

anything involving the sun would be the rarest of course, got to keep THAT consistent. but I could probably change Abyssals to something I'd prefer, whatever they're going to do with them, I'm probably not going to care about. could probably change up the politics of my version of Dragon-Blooded so that maybe they aren't all concentrated in one empire and have something more like a Naruto nation set up where there are multiple national superpowers working against each other, help get across the GoT-nature of them better maybe? or just a bunch of warring states somewhere? Both? Maybe the bloodlines can be more flexible than Dragon-Blooded and thus make types that are of different elements sometimes....gah! mind! going a mile a minute, cutting this post off here.

EDIT: WAIT! maybe I can add Okami into this! that seems fitting!

Rater202

2022-07-01, 06:35 PM

Gonna try and make a low-sugar barbeque sauce for the 4th. We managed to get some of the sugar-free brown sugar stuff and a can of tomato sauce(which has significantly less sugar than the ketchup I normally use.)

Gotta add vinegar to the recipe and up the proportions of certain spices but we've got everything we need to do it.

Though the brown sugar substitute was a little expensive. Mom said not to ask for it again for a while.

Manga Shoggoth

2022-07-02, 02:26 AM

https://www.bedetheque.com/media/Couvertures/Couv_447894.jpg

The simple fact that it exists is delightful to me in ways I cannot properly articulate.
Not in a million years would I have guessed that seeing Obélix straight-up crush a legionarie's head into a bloody pulp in a cutesy drawing style would bring me such joy.

I'm familliar with (in fact, grew up with) Asterix, but I don't know what it is being parodied by. (My french comics and cartoons are limited to Asterix, the original Barbarella and Les Shadocks. And Magic Roundabout, but I'm not sure that counts in translation...)

Fyraltari

2022-07-02, 07:32 AM

I'm familliar with (in fact, grew up with) Asterix, but I don't know what it is being parodied by. (My french comics and cartoons are limited to Asterix, the original Barbarella and Les Shadocks. And Magic Roundabout, but I'm not sure that counts in translation...)

Les Nouvelles Aventures de Lapinot, it's a comedy series that is either very weird slice of-life or sticking its main cast into a specific genre and being weird and funny about it.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-02, 11:35 AM

I just got a new game, but I'm not sure I'm authorised to read this. Most of the box is clearly ultraviolet clearance.

Also picked up the first volume of Die, which should be interesting.

Manga Shoggoth

2022-07-03, 09:02 AM

Les Nouvelles Aventures de Lapinot, it's a comedy series that is either very weird slice of-life or sticking its main cast into a specific genre and being weird and funny about it.

Ohh, ta. Apparantly translated as "The Spiffy Adventures of McConey". I'll keep an eye out, although I doubt that the translators will be as capable as Bell and Hockridge (the translators of Asterix).

Fyraltari

2022-07-03, 01:29 PM

Ohh, ta.

What does "ta" mean?

Metastachydium

2022-07-03, 01:44 PM

What does "ta" mean?

It's informal/colloquial British for 'thank you', or so I heard.

Manga Shoggoth

2022-07-03, 03:20 PM

What does "ta" mean?

It's informal/colloquial British for 'thank you', or so I heard.

It is indeed.

Rater202

2022-07-03, 03:30 PM

Low sugar barbeque sauce ended up a bit more tomatoey than I'm used to, but it should be fine after cooling and settling overnight.

Edit: Tried a bit more of it befor eI put int in the fridge to seetle. Even just an hour of cooling improved the flavor a bit but I may have used too much cayenne.

Peelee

2022-07-03, 04:59 PM

It's informal/colloquial British for 'thank you', or so I heard.

Most of my current knowledge of British informal colloquialisms comes from Billy Butcher, so "ta" is much more gentle than I would have expected.

Altair_the_Vexed

2022-07-04, 09:59 AM

Most of my current knowledge of British informal colloquialisms comes from Billy Butcher, so "ta" is much more gentle than I would have expected.
Goodness! We're all far more genteel that that odious oik. You do realise Downton Abbey was a documentary? Everyone talks like the Queen, David Attenborough, or that luverly Richard Van Dyke's chimmernee sweep.
:smallbiggrin::smallwink:

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-04, 10:27 AM

Goodness! We're all far more genteel that that odious oik. You do realise Downton Abbey was a documentary? Everyone talks like the Queen, David Attenborough, or that luverly Richard Van Dyke's chimmernee sweep.
:smallbiggrin::smallwink:

Going by my polycule.... Mr Van Dyke is the only one not represented. Plus shame on you for not bringing up Michael Caine.

We also have a Dane, but they don't speak like Sandi Toksvig.

Rater202

2022-07-04, 10:37 AM

Okay, tested the sauce after letting it set overnight. Is delicious.

Recipe.

3 leveled tablespoons of brown sugar substitute and 1/2 teaspoon each of onion powder, garlic powder, paprika, cayenne pepper, and kosher salt goes into a sauce pot and is stirred to combine.

Meanwhile, one tablespoon each of red wine vinegar, soy sauce, and wostershershire sauce are combined in a separate vessel. Once the spices and sugar substitute are properly blended, pour the liquid over it nd stir to combine. The sugar and spice blend will not completly dissolve in his much liquid, don't try to make it.

Next... I sort of ran out of clean measuring equipment so just eyeballed this part: What I estimate to be about a quarter cup of American-style yellow mustard and somewhere between half and three-fourths of a can of Hunt's brand tomato sauce are added, then again, stir to combine.

At this point, the sauce was looking a little too red so I added a few more dashes of the soy sauce for color.

Once everything is combined turn onto the burner and heat to a heavy boil while stirring slowly, after about a minute of boil kill the heat and stir vigorously, then let sit with a lid for about an hour to cool and then move to a sealed container in the fridge to settle overnight.

The net result is a sauce that's a little savory, a little sour, a little bitter, a little sweet, and very spicey. It's good, but it's strong. A little bit goes a long way. It's got a very complex flavor and the heat sort of hits you as an aftertaste instead of being upfront which is what I was going for.

I might need to tinker with the spice ratio a little bit but I think this was a success.

Peelee

2022-07-04, 12:24 PM

Goodness! We're all far more genteel that that odious oik. You do realise Downton Abbey was a documentary? Everyone talks like the Queen, David Attenborough, or that luverly Richard Van Dyke's chimmernee sweep.
:smallbiggrin::smallwink:
Experience with William tells me you could have said the same thing by simply going "oi".

Going by my polycule.... Mr Van Dyke is the only one not represented. Plus shame on you for not bringing up Michael Caine.
Monsieur Charcutier does have a bit of a Michael Caine affect, you're right.

Rater202

2022-07-04, 01:09 PM

I took four semesters f Spanish in college.

One year the professor arranged something and some college kids from Mexico who were up here on a school trip visited us and we paired off. (this was apparently a regular occurrence)

Our instructions were that we'd talk to them in Spanish and they'd talk to us back in English.

In practice, everyone just ended up speaking Spanglish.

Keltest

2022-07-04, 01:20 PM

Peelee

2022-07-04, 04:53 PM

Cardiac-centered HIIT isn't actually all that bad. Like, I'm enjoying it well enough. For exercise. Even the strength-focused HIIT isn't the worst.

But burpees. **** burpees.

Rater202

2022-07-04, 09:44 PM

Blow Stuff Up cause Murrica day celebrated successfully.

Lord Raziere

2022-07-04, 09:54 PM

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-05, 01:53 AM

Blow Stuff Up cause Murrica day celebrated successfully.

Ah yes, your country's yearly celebration of treason. Hope nothing too important got 'xploded.

Altair_the_Vexed

2022-07-05, 02:17 AM

Hey! It's nice of you folk in the USA to celebrate the Eve of Tynwald. Most Manx folk celebrate the day itself - oldest continually ruling democracy in the world, founded at the latest in 979 CE.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/c8/b4/f2c8b49761fccb2f88d61344e8b78c29.jpg (https://www.tynwald.org.im/about/tynday/Pages/default.aspx)

Sadly, I'm in the UK today, not on the Isle of Man, so I'll not be enjoying the public holiday, or the chance to present any petition directly to Tynwald.

So - what curious ancient customs are there in your neck of the woods?

Fyraltari

2022-07-05, 02:59 AM

So - what curious ancient customs are there in your neck of the woods?

Well, next week a lotta people will gather to watch fewer (but still lots of) people with guns and sometimes horsies walk down a street in fancy/silly costumes to music. And one group stubbornly refuses to walk at the same speed as the others so they either go first or last.

Also, planes and fireworks are involved.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-05, 03:55 AM

So - what curious ancient customs are there in your neck of the woods?

Well just over a month ago we had parades for a woman's refusal to die, all because her right ancestor was related to a different one of her ancestors.

And Saturday was Pride, which isn't ancient but was mostly celebrated by the most ancient British tradition still active (i.e. go to a field, get dressaged, and try to convince your partner to take their clothes off).

Otherwise we mainly just refuse to give our police anything invented after the year 1700.

Peelee

2022-07-05, 06:29 AM

Sadly, I'm in the UK today

A common lament. You have my sympathies.

Rater202

2022-07-05, 11:24 AM

Imagine being a chili or some other plant whose fruit has appreciable levels of capsaicin.

You evolved so that your fruit would have a chemical that would inflict pain, nausea, and in high enough doses possibly death on anything that you did not want to eat your fruit in order to ensure the survival of your seeds... And then here come some primates you not only continue to eat your fruit despite the pain, but some of them enjoy it enough that they selectively breed your species and similar ones in order to make it so that your fruits have more of that chemical agent.

That would like being a human and finding out that the aliens that invaded in order to eat our brains like being shot and set on fire.

Mystic Muse

2022-07-05, 11:28 AM

That would like being a human and finding out that the aliens that invaded in order to eat our brains like being shot and set on fire.

I would be unsurprised if this is a published story that exists.

Keltest

2022-07-05, 11:33 AM

Lord Raziere

2022-07-05, 11:41 AM

I would be unsurprised if this is a published story that exists.

closest I can think of is the Orks from Wh40k who love war and can regenerate from being shot to the point where they make more orks because dying makes them spread spores that spread and growing into more ork life forms....but being set on fire does make sure they die for real.

though as Keltest points out, its not completely analogous; the better analogy would be an alien species who like being shot, blown up and burned so much that they see us doing it to them as a form of hitting them on and can somehow reproduce with us, and thus gives birth to more humans somehow.

LaZodiac

2022-07-05, 11:50 AM

I would be unsurprised if this is a published story that exists.

I mean that is basically the Predators.

Eh... Fruit is meant to be eaten, and we still propagate the species. This sounds like its still working as intended, if not for the expected reasons. I dont think its actually analogous.

Fruit is meant to be eaten by specific things. Birds cannot taste capaschin and fly far and wide, they propagate the spicy fruit plants. They wanna be eaten by them because their seeds can't be digested by bird style guts. Ours, however, can, and we love to eat pain! We love to eat pain so much that we intentionally grow them, which DOES turn out to help the spicy fruits, but is definitely not the intent of said fruiting plants.

Peelee

2022-07-05, 12:14 PM

I mean that is basically the Predators.

Fruit is meant to be eaten by specific things. Birds cannot taste capaschin and fly far and wide, they propagate the spicy fruit plants. They wanna be eaten by them because their seeds can't be digested by bird style guts. Ours, however, can, and we love to eat pain! We love to eat pain so much that we intentionally grow them, which DOES turn out to help the spicy fruits, but is definitely not the intent of said fruiting plants.

Evolution isnt directed. Evolution throws random crap at the wall and sees what sticks.

Sure, we're putting glue on the wall in certain places, but it's still sticking.

LaZodiac

2022-07-05, 01:32 PM

Evolution isnt directed. Evolution throws random crap at the wall and sees what sticks.

Sure, we're putting glue on the wall in certain places, but it's still sticking.

Well aware, just phrased it poorly. The "intent" of spicy fruit's spice is to be eaten by birds for those particular reasons. No actual intent was involved, but that is Why they are like this, so one could say that it's the "intended" thing for them.

halfeye

2022-07-05, 04:53 PM

Rater202

2022-07-05, 05:44 PM

What about horseradish?

That's a differant chemical and I don't know what its purpose is.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-05, 06:43 PM

That's a differant chemical and I don't know what its purpose is.

I believe it's to encourage humans to move the seeds to beef-adjacent areas

Keltest

2022-07-05, 07:58 PM

I believe it's to encourage humans to move the seeds to beef-adjacent areas

If the store I work at is any indication, it's to confuse people who otherwise have perfectly working eyesight.

Metastachydium

2022-07-06, 05:22 AM

Fruit is meant to be eaten by specific things. Birds cannot taste capaschin and fly far and wide, they propagate the spicy fruit plants. They wanna be eaten by them because their seeds can't be digested by bird style guts.

Go BIRDIES!

We love to eat pain so much that we intentionally grow them, which DOES turn out to help the spicy fruits, but is definitely not the intent of said fruiting plants.

Sure, we're putting glue on the wall in certain places, but it's still sticking.

I disagree, naturally. The "peace and comfort of slavery" is not the answer! Domesticated species are almost universally made more vulnerable to pests and more reliant on their captors by the process of domestication (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and that's bad.

enderlord99

2022-07-06, 06:02 AM

Peelee wasn't saying that artificial selection is good, merely that it is a form of selection

Peelee

2022-07-06, 07:05 AM

Corn is man-made. It does not exist in the wild and if all people suddenly disappeared corn would die out quite shortly. It can only continue by direct human intervention.

Apropos of nothing.

Fyraltari

2022-07-06, 07:12 AM

Corn is man-made. It does not exist in the wild and if all people suddenly disappeared corn would die out quite shortly. It can only continue by direct human intervention.

Apropos of nothing.
Are you making a distinction between corn and maize? Because I think there's one in English, but I'm not sure and I know that corn/maize existed in the wild before agriculture.

Rater202

2022-07-06, 07:18 AM

Are you making a distinction between corn and maize? Because I think there's one in English, but I'm not sure and I know that corn/maize existed in the wild before agriculture.Prior to the domestication of corn/maize, teosinte was a form of tall grass.

Corn, in any form, is the result of the Mayans noticing an interesting mutation in the tall grass and tinkering with it until it became something edible.

Keltest

2022-07-06, 08:10 AM

Prior to the domestication of corn/maize, teosinte was a form of tall grass.

Corn, in any form, is the result of the Mayans noticing an interesting mutation in the tall grass and tinkering with it until it became something edible.

Well, "corn" previously referred to basically any sort of local grain crop. I dont know how common referring to non-maize-corn by that name is in Europe still.

Fyraltari

2022-07-06, 08:17 AM

Well, "corn" previously referred to basically any sort of local grain crop. I dont know how common referring to non-maize-corn by that name is in Europe still.

Not much outside of the British Isles, obviously.

Metastachydium

2022-07-06, 09:01 AM

Corn is man-made. It does not exist in the wild and if all people suddenly disappeared corn would die out quite shortly. It can only continue by direct human intervention.

Hm. I vaguely remember someone saying something to the effect of "[d]omesticated species are almost universally made more vulnerable to pests and more reliant on their captors by the process of domestication (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and that's bad. (https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=25510660&postcount=173)"

Keltest

2022-07-06, 10:39 AM

Hm. I vaguely remember someone saying something to the effect of "[d]omesticated species are almost universally made more vulnerable to pests and more reliant on their captors by the process of domestication (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and that's bad. (https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=25510660&postcount=173)"

You could say the same thing about a lot of symbiotic relationships. Take away one half of the pair and the other one suffers massively.

Peelee

2022-07-06, 11:39 AM

Hm. I vaguely remember someone saying something to the effect of "[d]omesticated species are almost universally made more vulnerable to pests and more reliant on their captors by the process of domestication (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and that's bad. (https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=25510660&postcount=173)"

Notwithstanding the coincidence there, corn isn't really domesticated so much as it is so incredibly modified by humanity that it cannot exist without our continued, direct intervention.

tomandtish

2022-07-06, 11:54 AM

there is oddly no fireworks happening in my neighborhood. odd, usually I hear them by now, did my neighbors change or did they not decide to them?

oh well, guess playing a bunch of Fallout New Vegas counts as celebrating the 4th of July.

This obviously depends on where you are, but there are a lot of places with burn bans in effect (so no fireworks). And in my area at least law enforcement was taking the fireworks seriously enough that they actually left a voice message on all cell phones stating that there would be zero tolerance this year, and included a dedicated line for calling to report fireworks. At least three separate groups in my neighborhood got busted. One got arrested because they broke it a second time.

Metastachydium

2022-07-07, 04:14 AM

You could say the same thing about a lot of symbiotic relationships. Take away one half of the pair and the other one suffers massively.

Disagreed. I'm not so sure asymmetrical symbiotic relationships where one organism has largely complete control over the reproduction of the other is quite as common as you suggest it is, and that's not even getting into the key detail of this particular state of affairs being deliberately engineered by the species in control.

Notwithstanding the coincidence there, corn isn't really domesticated so much as it is so incredibly modified by humanity that it cannot exist without our continued, direct intervention.

Not quite. It's not even a species of its own. Technically, it's little more than a variant of Zea mays parviglumis.

BisectedBrioche

2022-07-07, 06:56 AM

Interesting linguistic trivia: There are multiple references to "corn" in the Doomsday book, because at the time it was the word for "whatever grain is being grown for food hereabouts".

Maize came to be known as corn because it was called "American corn" or somesuch, which eventually got abbreviated to corn and displaced the older meaning.

Rater202

2022-07-07, 06:58 AM

I still think we should exchange swords instead of rings at weddings.

Nothing says "I love you" like giving your beloved a big badass implement of pointy death forged specifically for them.

BisectedBrioche

2022-07-07, 07:05 AM

I agree, despite not wanting to get married.

But then again, I'd also dearly like skintight leather armour to be everyday fashion, so I'm kinda biased.

Fyraltari

2022-07-07, 07:17 AM

I still think we should exchange swords instead of rings at weddings.

Nothing says "I love you" like giving your beloved a big badass implement of pointy death forged specifically for them.

I dunno, I think the symbolic chain works better as a representation of the, well..., bound between two people.

It is a bit sad, though, that the best man is no longer the best warrior among your retainers though.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-07, 07:18 AM

I still think we should exchange swords instead of rings at weddings.

Nothing says "I love you" like giving your beloved a big badass implement of pointy death forged specifically for them.

Eh. Swords are impractical and can't be carried around everywhere like a piece of jewelry can

Although I'd be totally down for a wedding knife as well.

Form

2022-07-07, 07:40 AM

I still think we should exchange swords instead of rings at weddings.

Nothing says "I love you" like giving your beloved a big badass implement of pointy death forged specifically for them.

No, nothing says "I love you" more than inviting the political enemies of both your Houses to the wedding and having them all killed as your Houses' theme songs play. Now there's a bonding experience.

Peelee

2022-07-07, 10:48 AM

Rater202

2022-07-07, 11:02 AM

Be the change you want to see in the world.
hat would require me to get married.

And I'm like... 90% sure I'm aro. Like I appreciate romance as an aesthetic and like seeing people happy together but don't really think I'm interested? The whole thing sounds exhausting.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-07, 12:00 PM

hat would require me to get married.

I don't see what's so hard about that. Find a human you like, impale them with your sword, done and dusted.

The aromantic thing might be a complication, but nobody said that marriages had to include romance, or love.

Like it can't be more awkward than having the 'I know we haven't lived together but part of me already wants to propose to you' conversation with your partner. Like I can't be the only one to have had that conversation, right?

Keltest

2022-07-07, 01:07 PM

I don't see what's so hard about that. Find a human you like, impale them with your sword, done and dusted.

The aromantic thing might be a complication, but nobody said that marriages had to include romance, or love.

Like it can't be more awkward than having the 'I know we haven't lived together but part of me already wants to propose to you' conversation with your partner. Like I can't be the only one to have had that conversation, right?

I can assure you that you are not.

Fyraltari

2022-07-07, 02:36 PM

The whole thing sounds exhausting.

I assure you, it is.

Edit: Well, not the happy part, at least not on the timescales I'm familiar with. But the rest is.

LaZodiac

2022-07-07, 02:50 PM

Disagreed. I'm not so sure asymmetrical symbiotic relationships where one organism has largely complete control over the reproduction of the other is quite as common as you suggest it is, and that's not even getting into the key detail of this particular state of affairs being deliberately engineered by the species in control.

Not quite. It's not even a species of its own. Technically, it's little more than a variant of Zea mays parviglumis.

Well, given 99% of all plants are incapable of any real communication, it's an unprecedented scenario in any case.

I still think we should exchange swords instead of rings at weddings.

Nothing says "I love you" like giving your beloved a big badass implement of pointy death forged specifically for them.

You're entirely right and that's something I'll keep in mind. Not that rings aren't also super cool.

I dunno, I think the symbolic chain works better as a representation of the, well..., bound between two people.

It is a bit sad, though, that the best man is no longer the best warrior among your retainers though.

This is also true.

I know if I ever get married to the loves of my life, I'll be doing that.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-07, 03:01 PM

This is also true.

I know if I ever get married to the loves of my life, I'll be doing that.

I'm jealous of those allowed to legally marry all their partners.

We're still going to try to convince a vicar to do a ceremony, but it can't all be legal.

...

It's been three days and I already miss my partners.

LaZodiac

2022-07-07, 03:11 PM

I'm jealous of those allowed to legally marry all their partners.

We're still going to try to convince a vicar to do a ceremony, but it can't all be legal.

...

It's been three days and I already miss my partners.

Oh it's not legal up in Canada I'm just saying if the opportunity ever arose to burn a **** ton of money on a cool party, swords'll be involved.

Metastachydium

2022-07-07, 03:12 PM

But then again, I'd also dearly like skintight leather armour to be everyday fashion, so I'm kinda biased.

Sounds impractical and I'm more into laminar armours anyway.

Eh. Swords are impractical and can't be carried around everywhere like a piece of jewelry can

Well, they could be back in the day.

No, nothing says "I love you" more than inviting the political enemies of both your Houses to the wedding and having them all killed as your Houses' theme songs play. Now there's a bonding experience.

…
My House needs a theme song.

I don't see what's so hard about that. Find a human you like, impale them with your sword, done and dusted.

I don't follow. How do you impale them with your sword if you don't get your sword until after you married them?

Well, given 99% of all plants are incapable of any real communication, it's an unprecedented scenario in any case.

[Throws tantrum.]

This is also true.

I know if I ever get married to the loves of my life, I'll be doing that.

Enlist the help of the best warrior from among your retainers? Sounds like a solid plan.

Mystic Muse

2022-07-07, 03:47 PM

Not gonna lie, a sword seems like a way cooler proposal/wedding gift than a ring.

Peelee

2022-07-07, 03:48 PM

My House needs a theme song.

If it's in the middle of the street, then boy do I have some news for you.

Mystic Muse

2022-07-07, 03:52 PM

If it's in the middle of the street, then boy do I have some news for you.

...And now that's stuck in my head.

I wish a great inconvenience on you. Like a stubbed claw or disappointing coffee.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-07, 04:52 PM

Oh it's not legal up in Canada I'm just saying if the opportunity ever arose to burn a **** ton of money on a cool party, swords'll be involved.

Canada is as mean as the UK.

I'm torn between canes and the easier to carry bracelets for my massive oparty.

I don't follow. How do you impale them with your sword if you don't get your sword until after you married them?

I need to make my sex jokes more obvious.

Rater202

2022-07-07, 05:21 PM

The aromantic thing might be a complication, but nobody said that marriages had to include romance, or love.

I have no monies, am not much of a looker, posess no social status, and periodically fantasize about being 1: a childlike fae creature 2: A dragon, 3: a vampire/lich type thing, 4: a tree, 5: a living planet, 6: a humanoid mass of iniature stars, and 7: a shapeless ethereal eldritch being.

I doubt that I could attract a mate for non-romantic reasons.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-07, 05:40 PM

I have no monies, am not much of a looker, posess no social status, and periodically fantasize about being 1: a childlike fae creature 2: A dragon, 3: a vampire/lich type thing, 4: a tree, 5: a living planet, 6: a humanoid mass of iniature stars, and 7: a shapeless ethereal eldritch being.

I doubt that I could attract a mate for non-romantic reasons.

Everybody wants to marry a dragon. Just ask Peelee.

Rater202

2022-07-07, 05:52 PM

Everybody wants to marry a dragon. Just ask Peelee.

Yeah, but who wants the weirdo who wants to be one but has no way of going about it?

Peelee

2022-07-07, 06:40 PM

...And now that's stuck in my head.
I can only assume you are thrilled with this prospect.

I wish a great inconvenience on you. Like a stubbed claw or disappointing coffee.
Having to drink coffee would indeed be disappointing, if it were to happen. But if it makes you feel better, tonight is a HIIT night, so you are getting your wish.

Everybody wants to marry a dragon. Just ask Peelee.

Ahh, the noble dragon. Men want him, women want to be him, everyone else get to choose for themselves.

DataNinja

2022-07-07, 07:31 PM

Ahh, the noble dragon. Men want him, women want to be him, everyone else get to choose for themselves.
It's true! :smalltongue:
(But, okay, that made me laugh more than it should.)

HalfTangible

2022-07-07, 09:41 PM

I have no monies, am not much of a looker, posess no social status, and periodically fantasize about being 1: a childlike fae creature 2: A dragon, 3: a vampire/lich type thing, 4: a tree, 5: a living planet, 6: a humanoid mass of iniature stars, and 7: a shapeless ethereal eldritch being.

I doubt that I could attract a mate for non-romantic reasons.

Dress well, bathe regularly and interact with others on a daily basis. Everything else is a matter of attitude and time.

halfeye

2022-07-07, 10:48 PM

Dress well, bathe regularly and interact with others on a daily basis. Everything else is a matter of attitude and time.

I has a bath once a year whether I needs it or not.

Was said in a Doris Day western film, by an old fella, I've no idea what the title of the film was or any of the characters names.

Rater202

2022-07-08, 06:30 AM

Dress well, bathe regularly and interact with others on a daily basis. Everything else is a matter of attitude and time.

You see, that runs counter to my plans.https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/353/837/f4e.jpg

Manga Shoggoth

2022-07-08, 08:54 AM

I'm torn between canes and the easier to carry bracelets for my massive oparty.

You can have both - Sword-sticks/canes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordstick) are a thing.

(Admittedly not legal in many places...)

Peelee

2022-07-09, 12:49 AM

Rater202

2022-07-09, 08:52 AM

Today I learned that a huge amount of people didn't get the underlying theme of the entire third season of The Boys (the ends do not justify the means) and hate the finale even though it showcases what happens when you try to do it anyway. Its not throwing away all the plot lines and characterizations of the season, it's the culmination of them!

Though, to be fair, that may be a bit subtle in a show that is not known for its subtlety.
That's a thing I've noticed: People tend to overlook subtle Theme and overfocus on anything more blatant.

Like there are so many people who hate Part II(SShuppuden) of Naruto... Because they completely misunderstood and in some cases outright ignored Neji and Lee's personal character arcs and then applied that misunderstanding to the entire serious.

Like, one time Lee says something along the lines of "even a loser can surpass a genius if he works harder" and suddenly that's a whole thing... Despite Kakashi noting that only a genius could make the kind of improvement Lee did and master the techniques, Lee mastered in so little time.

Amd Neji's entire thing is that he's an antisocial asshat because he was effectively born into slavery and can't escape it despite his natural talent and the fact that he work his ass off. He convinced himself that everything is predetermined... A worldview that gets shattered when he loses a fight with someone he'd written off as a loser due to circumstances he didn't foresee.

Peope took this to mean "oh... The themes of the entire series are that the circumstances of your birth and your natural talents are irrelevant and all that matters is hard work..."

When really the themes of the series are "the cycle of revenge just leads to more violence" and "if you want to be successful you need talent, hard work, and a good support network... Also, academic rankings are bull**** that get geniuses labled as idiots because their talents lie outside of traditional academia."

LaZodiac

2022-07-09, 08:56 AM

That's a thing I've noticed: People tend to overlook subtle Theme and overfocus on anything more blatant.

Like there are so many people who hate Part II(SShuppuden) of Naruto... Because they completely misunderstood and in some cases outright ignored Neji and Lee's personal character arcs and then applied that misunderstanding to the entire serious.

Like, one time Lee says something along the lines of "even a loser can surpass a genius if he works harder" and suddenly that's a whole thing... Despite Kakashi noting that only a genius could make the kind of improvement Lee did and master the techniques, Lee mastered in so little time.

Amd Neji's entire thing is that he's an antisocial asshat because he was effectively born into slavery and can't escape it despite his natural talent and the fact that he work his ass off. He convinced himself that everything is predetermined... A worldview that gets shattered when he loses a fight with someone he'd written off as a loser due to circumstances he didn't foresee.

Peope took this to mean "oh... The themes of the entire series are that the circumstances of your birth and your natural talents are irrelevant and all that matters is hard work..."

When really the themes of the series are "the cycle of revenge just leads to more violence" and "if you want to be successful you need talent, hard work, and a good support network... Also, academic rankings are bull**** that get geniuses labled as idiots because their talents lie outside of traditional academia."

Things can have multiple themes. It's unquestionable that early Naruto had that theme, and people being upset that later half Naruto seems to discard that is a valid reason to be disappointed. It's not people missing the point, it's people noticing a difference between the first and second half of a series.

"Academic rankings are bull**** because they label geniuses as idiots because their talents lie outside of traditional academia" is a PART of that. Lee IS a loser, as far as the world is concerned, but he's a savant at taijuitsu. That doesn't change the fact that he is a loser in their society, and has to prove that the circumstances of his birth (not being able to do ninjutsu effectively) do not dfine him. He has to do a LOT of hard work to get where he is.

Rater202

2022-07-09, 09:20 AM

It's unquestionable that early Naruto had that theme

Literally, the first page of the first chapter of the manga said that Naruto was special and the circumstances around his birth were very important.

That very much should have been a clue that Neji and Lee's personal this were not intended to be themes for the entire series.

LaZodiac

2022-07-09, 09:29 AM

Literally, the first page of the first chapter of the manga said that Naruto was special and the circumstances around his birth were very important.

That very much should have been a clue that Neji and Lee's personal this were not intended to be themes for the entire series.

No it doesn't. Like, it genuinely doesn't! I have it here, I'm reading it.

It takes till about page 30 for Mizuki to bring up that Naruto has the Ninetails within him, and even then it's not presented as a good thing; Naruto rising above that, surpassing the circumstances of his birth, is a vital part of his character arc in the first half of the series.

Rater202

2022-07-09, 09:43 AM

No it doesn't. Like, it genuinely doesn't! I have it here, I'm reading it....Okay, I have been misinformed... Unless the narration was changed in translations. This requires more research.

Still, considering that some peoples ay that Naruto using the Nine-Tails to beat Neji breaks the theme as i's being established...
It takes till about page 30 for Mizuki to bring up that Naruto has the Ninetails within him, and even then it's not presented as a good thing; Naruto rising above that, surpassing the circumstances of his birth, is a vital part of his character arc in the first half of the series.I think that this part here still means that it's a lot more nuanced than a lot of people think.

People cite NAruto having "the best parents" as a thing that breaks the theme... That again, clearly isn't meant to be the series defining theme and is a lot more nuanced, while ignoring that he quite clearly inherited nothing but looks* from either parent—he does not have his father's raw, ungodly, inexplicable level of talent or his mother's power, unique abilities, or ability to survive having a monster ripped out of your soul or not instantly die from having most of her organs pulped.

He also did not inherit any material wealth from his parents for one reason or another and did not grow up with them and as such really gains nothing from them.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-09, 09:54 AM

LaZodiac

2022-07-09, 09:55 AM

...Okay, I have been misinformed... Unless the narration was changed in translations. This requires more research.

Still, considering that some peoples ay that Naruto using the Nine-Tails to beat Neji breaks the theme as i's being established...I think that this part here still means that it's a lot more nuanced than a lot of people think.

People cite NAruto having "the best parents" as a thing that breaks the theme... That again, clearly isn't meant to be the series defining theme and is a lot more nuanced, while ignoring that he quite clearly inherited nothing but looks* from either parent—he does not have his father's raw, ungodly, inexplicable level of talent or his mother's power, unique abilities, or ability to survive having a monster ripped out of your soul or not instantly die from having most of her organs pulped.

He also did not inherit any material wealth from his parents for one reason or another and did not grow up with them and as such really gains nothing from them.

Possibly, but I only know what I know, and nothing about the first page would lean into that.

Given he has to work to use any of that ****, I feel like it's fine, but I get it. It feels off.

From what we've heard and seen, the Uzumaki also have big chakra reserves. It's why Karin is a walking medkit, as an example. He also DID master his dad's Rasengan technique pretty easily, but then that's also something he did HAVE to work for. I'll admit I've never seen too much fuss risen about his parents being super powerful, just the ninja savior stuff due to being the spiritual reincarnation of such and such, with the idea being "oh Naruto's always been destined for this".

Rater202

2022-07-09, 10:03 AM

Possibly, but I only know what I know, and nothing about the first page would lean into that.

Given he has to work to use any of that ****, I feel like it's fine, but I get it. It feels off.

From what we've heard and seen, the Uzumaki also have big chakra reserves. It's why Karin is a walking medkit, as an example. He also DID master his dad's Rasengan technique pretty easily, but then that's also something he did HAVE to work for. I'll admit I've never seen too much fuss risen about his parents being super powerful, just the ninja savior stuff due to being the spiritual reincarnation of such and such, with the idea being "oh Naruto's always been destined for this".

1: Naruto's massive reserves of chakra are from the Fox. Explicitly, the eight trigrams seal is designed to leat some of the Fox' s power leak out and mix with Naruto's, stimulating hos own chakra growth over time.

2: Karin was a walking med kit because Orochimaru experimented on her. The anime gave her a backstory episode that stated it was natural power of her clan, but that was entirely contradicted by the Manga. Karin uses her healing bite on herself after she gets impaled and Orochimaru says "she was a good experiment."

3: The reincarnations tuff is especially stupid because they explain that it's not literal reincarnation. Naruto is not Asura reborn, Naruto inherited Asura's chakra because he's the most similar person to Asura among all of asura's descendant's int he current generation. It's implied that the chakras latched onto the boys during the time skip but it also could have happened during the Kage summit.

LaZodiac

2022-07-09, 10:24 AM

1: Naruto's massive reserves of chakra are from the Fox. Explicitly, the eight trigrams seal is designed to leat some of the Fox' s power leak out and mix with Naruto's, stimulating hos own chakra growth over time.

2: Karin was a walking med kit because Orochimaru experimented on her. The anime gave her a backstory episode that stated it was natural power of her clan, but that was entirely contradicted by the Manga. Karin uses her healing bite on herself after she gets impaled and Orochimaru says "she was a good experiment."

3: The reincarnations tuff is especially stupid because they explain that it's not literal reincarnation. Naruto is not Asura reborn, Naruto inherited Asura's chakra because he's the most similar person to Asura among all of asura's descendant's int he current generation. It's implied that the chakras latched onto the boys during the time skip but it also could have happened during the Kage summit.

Yes, but my understanding was that he also had a lot himself. It's been awhile.

Yes, because she's an experiment. But it only works because of her massive reserve, was again my understanding. If that's wrong that's wrong, but I don't think "she is an experirment, taking adnatage of this natural ability" is a contradiction.

Fair. Ultimately I think the issue is that the back half of Naruto is just bad, so it makes some stuff stick out more.

------

As per what Anonymous Wizard said; yeah, I really don't understand how someone could just... not care, about the themes of a show. It's always felt weird to me when people just don't think much about it.

Rater202

2022-07-09, 10:31 AM

Fair. Ultimately I think the issue is that the back half of Naruto is just bad, so it makes some stuff stick out more.

I don't think it's bad, I think it's just a lot.

Like, there are a lot of details and moving parts that are hard to keep track of, especially if you're going one chapter at a time. I remember that people said that Kaguya sort of came out of nowhere when she was mentioned over a hundred chapters before her appearance and if you wanna stretch was foreshadowed as far back as the Chunin exams.

LaZodiac

2022-07-09, 10:35 AM

I don't think it's bad, I think it's just a lot.

Like, there are a lot of details and moving parts that are hard to keep track of, especially if you're going one chapter at a time. I remember that people said that Kaguya sort of came out of nowhere when she was mentioned over a hundred chapters before her appearance and if you wanna stretch was foreshadowed as far back as the Chunin exams.

I mean, Kaguya was mentioned sure. Her being a major player right now in this conflict and also being an alien rabbit from another planet though, that's definitely out of nowhere.

And no it's bad. Sakura has her moment of "now the boys get to look at my back for once" and then the other two completely leave her in the dust anyway. The entire needless zombie section of the war that just rehashes old bits- even if some of that was done well. The ridiculous power scale, the modular eyeballs and all the bloodline limit eyeball special moves that made it an absolute mess. I followed it perfectly well, it just falls apart.

Form

2022-07-09, 10:42 AM

People focus on the obvious because they don't notice the subtle or don't care about breaking media down. Sometimes they don't even care about the obvious. This can often extend to missing themes in order to focus on plot minutiae.

Like, Blindsight isn't a book about aliens, it's a book about how we can't tell how other people think. It uses nonsentient intelligent life to drive home that we can't be certain that other humans are sentient, and even if they are they might not be thinking how we would. There's also underlying issues of social isolation and losing faith in the world, as well as putting trust in those who's best interest might be to destroy you (but which sometimes works out).

Then again people can disagree on what the themes are.

Now that you mention it, I can see the social isolation is strongly reflected in the crew of the Theseus:
Sarasti can't emphatize with others because they're food to him. Szpindel and Robert can no-sell Siri's ability to read them (which Robert actually does, though Szpindel chooses not to). Later on Siri also completely fails to read Bates, even though that's supposed to be his thing and instead projects his own thoughts onto her. And then there's Siri's mother who chooses to almost completely disconnect herself from other people by ascending into the Heaven VR simulation. So much for understanding others indeed.
From the sequel, Echopraxia, I got the sense it has a strong theme of powerlessness:
Bruks is basically the plaything of the Bicameral Order and Valerie later on with absolutely no say in what happens to him. He's just a pawn in their plots. Even his ultimate act of defiance of committing suicide is rendered useless because the Portia infection can still use his body.

I feel there are strong themes of transformation in both books as well which are reflected both in the transhumanist aspects as well as what happens to the main character of each book.

Rater202

2022-07-09, 10:49 AM

And no it's bad. Sakura has her moment of "now the boys get to look at my back for once" and then the other two completely leave her in the dust anyway.I think it's important to note that tey wound't have been able to defeat Kaguya without her.

Kaguya had demonstrated at that point that she was able to escape the technique they were using to seal her. They would never have defeated her if Sakura hadn't sucker punched her the second time they tried.

the modular eyeballs

That's not really a thing though? Like yeah, we get people ripping out eyes a couple of times but the only time someone implants an eye without Surgery it was Madara... Who had an absurdly powerful healing factor.

LaZodiac

2022-07-09, 10:54 AM

I think it's important to note that tey wound't have been able to defeat Kaguya without her.

Kaguya had demonstrated at that point that she was able to escape the technique they were using to seal her. They would never have defeated her if Sakura hadn't sucker punched her the second time they tried.

That's not really a thing though? Like yeah, we get people ripping out eyes a couple of times but the only time someone implants an eye without Surgery it was Madara... Who had an absurdly powerful healing factor.

It had been awhile, and that's something, but like... Sakura gets so shafted through the entire series.

Pretty sure Obito goes about some eyeball snatching and face shoving as well, but again it's been awhile.

Rater202

2022-07-09, 10:59 AM

It had been awhile, and that's something, but like... Sakura gets so shafted through the entire series.

Pretty sure Obito goes about some eyeball snatching and face shoving as well, but again it's been awhile.

Obito did it off screen so we don't really the details... But seeing as how over half of his body was replaced by parts from a Zetsu I think he also has a similar healing factor so even if he did it without surgery it doens't make the eyes modular.

...Like, seriously. Half of Obito's body is plant-based putty in the vague shape of a human. IF anyone gets to have plug-and-play biology it's him.

Peelee

2022-07-09, 01:09 PM

That's a thing I've noticed: People tend to overlook subtle Theme and overfocus on anything more blatant.

The theme is about as subtle as a sledgehammer. It's just that the other themes are as subtle as a freight train.

People focus on the obvious because they don't notice the subtle or don't care about breaking media down. Sometimes they don't even care about the obvious.

A shocking amount of people apparently didn't notice the blindingly obvious in TB until it was quite literally impossible to no longer notice, but that's about as far as I can go on here about it.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-09, 01:30 PM

The theme is about as subtle as a sledgehammer. It's just that the other themes are as subtle as a freight train.

Subtlety is relative. You'd notice the teleporting hamster if I hadn't painted your diving elephant hot pink.

A shocking amount of people apparently didn't notice the blindingly obvious in TB until it was quite literally impossible to no longer notice, but that's about as far as I can go on here about it.

And in five years they'll return to not noticing it because not everybody dissects their media as much as you do.

Peelee

2022-07-09, 01:34 PM

Subtlety is relative. You'd notice the teleporting hamster if I hadn't painted your diving elephant hot pink.
Fair point.

And in five years they'll return to not noticing it because not everybody dissects their media as much as you do.
.... Have you seen The Boys? And, if not, would you like me to show some example clips or give some example summaries off site?

enderlord99

2022-07-09, 02:02 PM

.... Have you seen The Boys?No, but I've seen ads for it on Twitch. It seems to be a dime-a-dozen "What if superheroes were all jerks" edgy/toxic cringe-"comedy" that thinks it's original, because it's never heard of Watchman or Warren Ellis' Supergod or the modern DC films or...
And, if not, would you like me to show some example clips or give some example summaries off site?I doubt anyone would, considering how repulsive it is even when limited to the bits that were specifically chosen to attract an audience.

Peelee

2022-07-09, 02:05 PM

No, but I've seen ads for it on Twitch. It seems to be a dime-a-dozen "What if superheroes were all jerks" edgy/toxic "comedy" that thinks it's original.

No version of it is a comedy, and the rest is a good description of the comic but not the show.

enderlord99

2022-07-09, 02:07 PM

No version of it is a comedy, and the rest is a good description of the comic but not the show.

Oh. I thought it was a cringe-comedy like Freddy Got Fingered but superhero-themed.

Because that's the quality shown in the ads.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-09, 02:27 PM

.... Have you seen The Boys? And, if not, would you like me to show some example clips or give some example summaries off site?

No, and no. Maybe I'll watch it once I've read the comic. But I'm not talking about The Boys, I'm talking about how people engage with media.

Lord Raziere

2022-07-09, 04:01 PM

No it doesn't. Like, it genuinely doesn't! I have it here, I'm reading it.

It takes till about page 30 for Mizuki to bring up that Naruto has the Ninetails within him, and even then it's not presented as a good thing; Naruto rising above that, surpassing the circumstances of his birth, is a vital part of his character arc in the first half of the series.

...Okay, I have been misinformed... Unless the narration was changed in translations. This requires more research.

Still, considering that some peoples ay that Naruto using the Nine-Tails to beat Neji breaks the theme as i's being established...I think that this part here still means that it's a lot more nuanced than a lot of people think.

People cite NAruto having "the best parents" as a thing that breaks the theme... That again, clearly isn't meant to be the series defining theme and is a lot more nuanced, while ignoring that he quite clearly inherited nothing but looks* from either parent—he does not have his father's raw, ungodly, inexplicable level of talent or his mother's power, unique abilities, or ability to survive having a monster ripped out of your soul or not instantly die from having most of her organs pulped.

He also did not inherit any material wealth from his parents for one reason or another and did not grow up with them and as such really gains nothing from them.

its probably worth pointing out that Naruto is a fundamentally rooted in japanese culture kind of show and thus has a different concept of "overcoming circumstances of birth" than we do. you guys are both thinking from a western perspective about this. from a western perspective overcoming the circumstances of birth would probably be looking at the situation Naruto is in and wanting to work hard to achieve things, would reject using the fox and prove that they are something WITHOUT the fox, that they are someone with an identity separate from them. its why so many people at least in the west, latch on to Rock Lee.

this isn't what happens, because the culture we're talking about here wouldn't see things that way. status in japanese culture, is everything. its fundamental down to the language having tons of honorifics and forms of address. they wouldn't be there if they weren't important. the circumstances of their birth does not refer to overcoming being hated in general, but being born low class or low status. jinchuuriki is just the show specific version of that, and the metaphor is better understood as something akin to the "rags to riches, pull yourself up by your bootstraps to make money by working hard" idea that americans have but with social status instead of money. Naruto's dream can be best understood in this context: "I was born as an untouchable who handles corpses for funerals, but my dream is to be a great samurai and become shogun! believe it!" its not some western idea of social acceptance, but expressing an idea of social mobility for himself achievable by proving that he is strong and useful to his village. normally jinchuuriki don't have much control over their power so....they're not that useful to magical shinobi military based on discipline waiting for shinobi war 4. basically just someone they throw another place, let their anger issues unleash the destruction, that sort of thing. thus the circumstances he is overcoming isn't really whether he is a person separate from the fox or not, but whether his status as a jinchuuriki means he is low status forever because he can't make use of what he was given at birth.

this is backed up by Neji's own situation: in many fan fics I've read, one of the most common things I've seen them do is come up with a solution to remove the caged bird seal. this never happens in canonical Naruto. Neji dies with the caged bird seal still on him. in much the same way his father did: sacrificing himself for someone else of his own volition. and in Boruto the cage bird seal just...isn't even mentioned. the resolution wasn't about the removing the caged bird, much like the resolution for Naruto wasn't about removing the fox from his way of doing things. they're treated as simply immutable circumstances that will always be with them til the day they die, and the resolution being showing that they can be awesome/useful/meaningful despite those circumstances being on them forever. Rock lee's lack of talent for ninjutsu and genjutsu is also treated as an immutable circumstance and he is praised not because he found a way to break that immutable circumstance....but because he found a way to be powerful/useful within it. the doubt was never about whether he could do taijutsu or do something other than taijutsu. that doubt was whether taijutsu-only could ever be useful or meaningful, which he proved in that fight with Gaara even though he lost. a taijutsu user that can go toe to toe with jinchuuriki is high status indeed. similarly the doubt about Naruto wasn't whether he was separate from the fox- that was resolved in episode 1 by Iruka- but whether he could control the fox's power, whether or not the thing inflicted upon him literally made him unable to be a proper shinobi, because his chakra control would never let him do normal techniques properly. if Naruto couldn't overcome this, he would never get his happy ending, because the other genin's reaction to him isn't "oh that guy we hate because he could kill us all because he is the fox" no its "oh its useless Naruto, that foolish prankster we had classes with, whats this clown doing being a shinobi? he defeated Neji, what? that doesn't make any sense." like none of the Konoha 12 even talk about the nine-tailed fox.

while Gaara is treated as this terrifying being to everyone who encounters him early on and guess what? he has full control over his sand, and he gets fast-tracked to being kazekage despite being someone who only a couple years ago gladly proclaimed things like "I kill to prove my existence". y'know, not the best sign for a potential new leader. Gaara must've had one heckuva of a speech to get people on his side after that...or he was better at hiding it in his own village. but then again....he is the kazekage's son and Naruto world ain't a democracy. again, status is everything, and Gaara was born high status.

and the whole "born to nobility, has to work for it anyways" thing is kind of a feudal fantasy trope in the same vein. the idea is that at some point anyone could become a knight/samurai/great ninja/whatever if go through the proper channels by being an apprentice to one and working real hard to get into the noble class of warriors and such even if its like, really hard. the idea is a lost heir that is raised as a peasant even though they're noble born and thus while by that society's standards "deserving" of their inheritance, has to go through trials as if they were common born to earn it back to show their moral character and that they aren't just some spoiled brat while connecting them to the common people of the setting- that they COULD'VE been truly common born and still get far. its a fantasy thing thats trying to reconcile modern and older ideas about who deserves to rule and what makes a good leader that sounds good if you know little about it but gets less convincing the more you know about the topic. Naruto is full of mixes of modern and older ideas so, its not surprising this one comes up.

this idea of the real struggle is being "useful" is reflected in whenever an anime character fails during a fight and calls themselves "useless" or "weak" despite the foe clearly outclassing them. to western culture such a situation is blameless on the defenders/losers end- the person can't be blamed for someone appearing out of nowhere and just being stronger/better than them in situation they had no idea to prepare for. but to the culture they're from, it doesn't seem to be, not entirely- the character expressing is that they didn't train hard enough to beat every possible foe, and thus neglected in their duty/training/whatever and thus wasn't as diligent as they should be. to my memory no one reassures them that they couldn't have done anything about it but rather encourages them to pick themselves back up and train harder so it doesn't happen again, as if the message is actually "you screwed up by not being prepared, but by picking yourself back up and continuing to work hard and keep trying you can be prepared in the future."

of course, I might be wrong, I'm just another westerner trying one's best to figure out Naruto, when western analysis of Naruto seems to be very prone to misinterpretation. I might be reading too much of the culture into it when its just one person's distorted fantasy version of it.

Peelee

2022-07-09, 04:02 PM

No, and no. Maybe I'll watch it once I've read the comic.

I recommend not reading the comic, actually. I got it because the show was so good, but they are radically different beasts.

But I'm not talking about The Boys, I'm talking about how people engage with media.
Thats an odd response, then, because I was very specifically talking about The Boys.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-09, 04:54 PM

I recommend not reading the comic, actually. I got it because the show was so good, but they are radically different beasts.

Good, otherwise there'd be no reason to consume both.

Thats an odd response, then, because I was very specifically talking about The Boys.

And I was pointing out that it's a trend we see in a lot of media.

Peelee

2022-07-09, 05:16 PM

Good, otherwise there'd be no reason to consume both.
Eh, your funeral.:smalltongue:

And I was pointing out that it's a trend we see in a lot of media.
Yes, but that trend was regarding the specific media I was talking about, despite you claiming that it was. It's like if I talked about Vader saying "no, I am your father" and you responding with "badly written twists are a dime a dozen, nobody will remember that in a few years." Sure, your assertion may generally be true but it doesn't have anything to do with the comment you replied to and it reads like a direct rebuttal to the specific media I was talking about.

Anonymouswizard

2022-07-09, 05:55 PM

Because it's an interesting topic outside 'this one show that not everybody has watched'.

Rater202

2022-07-10, 09:57 AM

Have you ever watched a show as a kid that had some reference that you were too young to ge and then it clicked for you years later?

There was a cartoon called Filmore than ran on ABC Kids and Toon Dinsey for a couple of years in the early 2000s, was essentially a 70s-style Cop Drama... About a middle school safety patrol. So like, someone selling fake baseball cards was treated like a Counterfitting Ring and the school mascot going missing was treated like a kidnapping.

Pretty much every episode was like that. To the point that it got canceled becuase the target audience didn't get the references and Disney didn't give a crap about ratings from the peripheral audience that did.

It's been like 20 years and I'm still running into things that are like "oh, yeah, that thing I watched as a kid makes more sense now."

Peelee

2022-07-10, 11:32 AM

Rater202

2022-07-10, 11:44 AM

That doesn't sound abnormal at all. Like, the target audience for Animaniacs didn't get the references that Goodfeathers had, but they were still amusing to watch for the kids. 70s cop show about middle school safety patrol doesn't sound out of the ordinary at all.

I didn't say it was out of the ordinary. I said it got canceled becuase Disney didn't like that the target audience didn't get the references.

I just brought it up becuase, well... I'm still running into "oh, that thing I watched as a kid makes more sense now" stuff 20 years later.

Like, it was only the other day that I found out the significance of all the main characters being named after streets in San Fransisco. (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/TheStreetsOfSanFrancisco)

Peelee

2022-07-10, 11:51 AM

I didn't say it was out of the ordinary. I said it got canceled becuase Disney didn't like that the target audience didn't get the references.

Yeah, but the target audiences doesn't need to get the references, and I would be shocked if it was expected that they would. Again, it's like Goodfeathers from Animaniacs. The target audience isn't going to get the references, but they don't need to because it's still fun to watch.

I imagine there is a strong possibility that it was less "the kids don't get the references" and more "the kids don't enjoy it as much as other shows so they aren't watching it as much".

Rater202

2022-07-10, 12:19 PM

Yeah, but the target audiences doesn't need to get the references, and I would be shocked if it was expected that they would. Again, it's like Goodfeathers from Animaniacs. The target audience isn't going to get the references, but they don't need to because it's still fun to watch.

I imagine there is a strong possibility that it was less "the kids don't get the references" and more "the kids don't enjoy it as much as other shows so they aren't watching it as much".It was a statement from the creators that they were told that "the references are going over the head of the target audience" was the reason that Disney was giving the show the ax

It was a good show and is fondly remembered... It's just that a singificnat potion of the audience it attracted were older than the audience that Disney wante and Disney is weird about that.

LaZodiac

2022-07-10, 12:29 PM

Rater202

2022-07-10, 12:41 PM

Filmore was such a ****ing good show. One of the major antagonists is just Hannibal the Cannibal except he's a graffiti artist. All the same vibes as Hannibal Lector, just, he draws on walls instead of eats people. It's incredible.

"He did that with a golf pencil?"

enderlord99

2022-07-11, 03:20 AM

I used three different oral-route antihistamines, two different oral-route painkillers, an oral-route substance synergistic with one of the painkillers, a topical painkiller, a topical antihistamine, and a topical burn-relief substance... and, all combined, that was just barely enough to briefly make my mosquito-bite go from "overwhelming" to "it's still itchy and painful, and it's also throbbing a bit, but I am capable of distracting myself from it with other things rather than being distracted from other things by it"

Rater202

2022-07-11, 09:59 AM

Update on my Stepfathe'rs accident: The other guy is responsible and everyone knows it but my stepfather is on the line becuase the other guy hired a lawyer to avoid giving his statement to the provider.

Our only solace is that the other ******* probably had to pay a buttload of money to pull this off... And since he's also suing the provider he's probably gonna get his ass dropped.

Metastachydium

2022-07-11, 02:55 PM