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[wefoij123]

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[sleepyphoenixx]

Polymorph changes your type and subtype to match the new form. "Dwarf" is a subtype and the only part you need to qualify as a dwarf, so it works.

It's a common houserule to not allow temporary abilities to qualify for prerequisites, but by RAW it works.

Edit: Phylactery of Change is 3.0 content though and based on a spell that no longer exists in 3.5, so you're definitely justified in banning or adjusting it.
It's also severely underpriced - the closest 3.5 equivalent is the Skin of the Proteus (XPH, 84k gp), so even if you allow it you should definitely adjust the price.

[Paragon]

edit: Do you happen to have a rule quote handy that says having the dwarf subtype lets you be treated as a dwarf for everything?

The right question would be "Do you happen to know of any other way to be a Dwarf than to have the subtype ?" If not, you have your answer

EDIT : Had to find this trick because nowhere in PHB or RC is the subject of dwarf/gnome/etc subtype being breached

[Troacctid]

The RC web enhancement "More Rules Compiled" clarifies that humanoids have the subtype of their race even if it isn't noted in their statistics.

[Paragon]

The RC web enhancement "More Rules Compiled" clarifies that humanoids have the subtype of their race even if it isn't noted in their statistics.

Would you happen to have it ?

[sleepyphoenixx]

edit: Do you happen to have a rule quote handy that says having the dwarf subtype lets you be treated as a dwarf for everything?

Races of Destiny p. 150. The sidebar is for a variant rule, but it's also the best explanation for how subtypes work in general that i've been able to find.


...
At the DM’s discretion, halfhuman and humanlike races can be grouped together with
humans as humanoids with the human subtype (rather than
their own subtype). This means that such races qualify as
human for the purpose of meeting a prerequisite for a feat or
prestige class, for activating a human-only magic item, for adjudicating effects that treat humans differently from other races,
and the like.
...
Note that the variant rule is only in giving the human subtype to races that don't have it by default, not about how subtypes work in general.

[ShurikVch]

The right question would be "Do you happen to know of any other way to be a Dwarf than to have the subtype ?" If not, you have your answer
Dwarf Neogi (Lords of Madness)?
Dwarf Ancestor (Monster Manual IV)?
Hill Dwarf Fighter Drider (https://web.archive.org/web/20030211001306/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/mm/mm20011118a) don't have the Dwarf subtype; same thing about the possible Thoon Thrall Dwarf (Monster Manual V)

[Paragon]

Dwarf Neogi (Lords of Madness)?
Dwarf Ancestor (Monster Manual IV)?
Hill Dwarf Fighter Drider (https://web.archive.org/web/20030211001306/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/mm/mm20011118a) don't have the Dwarf subtype; same thing about the possible Thoon Thrall Dwarf (Monster Manual V)

Dwarf Neogi is a weird case. I think the word dwarf is meant as an adjective here rather than race.

A dwarf neogi is the most extreme of the regularly appearing birth mutations. It is indistinguishable from other neogi spawn at birth, but the difference becomes apparent before long. While other spawn gain size and strength quickly, a dwarf neogi grows very slowly, if at all. By the time it is full grown, it still stands no more than 2 feet tall and weighs 10 pounds or fewer, due to its spindliness.

Dwarf Ancestor shouldn't have it I guess ; it's a spirit animating a stone statue

A dwarf ancestor is the spirit of an ancient dwarf hero brought back from the afterlife to serve by the will and prayers of a dwarf cleric. It comes to those who plead to Moradin the Soul Forger for aid. When first summoned, a dwarf ancestor takes up residence within a statue of a dwarf hero, animating it.

Hill dwarf example it doesn't work since the Drider template specifies "The creature's type changes to "aberration" and loses all subtypes."

As for Thoon Thrall Dwarf, the template says
Type: The base creature’s type changes to monstrous humanoid. It does not gain the augmented subtype but retains other subtypes except those from alignment and humanoid race. So you would lose the subtype and become a monstrous humanoïd. How would you qualify as being a Dwarf ?

[sleepyphoenixx]

Would you happen to have it ?
You can download it here. (https://web.archive.org/web/20090603085430/https://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/WE_RulesComp.zip)



As for Thoon Thrall Dwarf, I can't seem to find it in MMV. Only a human one.

Thrall of Thoon is a template and also specifies that the target creature loses its original subtypes, so a Thoon Thrall Dwarf does not count as a dwarf anymore.

[ShurikVch]

Dwarf Ancestor shouldn't have it I guess ; it's a spirit animating a stone statue
Since when act of possession removes subtypes of possessor?
After all, Dwarf Ghost (https://web.archive.org/web/20051113005148/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/Ghostwalkv35Conversion.zip) still have their Dwarf subtype

On the other note, Dwarf Einherjar (Deities and Demigods) don't have their racial subtype (along with Elf Einherjar and Human Einherjar)

[sleepyphoenixx]

Since when act of possession removes subtypes of possessor?
After all, Dwarf Ghost (https://web.archive.org/web/20051113005148/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/Ghostwalkv35Conversion.zip) still have their Dwarf subtype

On the other note, Dwarf Einherjar (Deities and Demigods) don't have their racial subtype (along with Elf Einherjar and Human Einherjar)

Dwarf Ancestor is not a template or a ghost. They're a distinct creature. They never had the dwarf subtype.

Einherjar also isn't a template. And terribly edited (it has dwarves as small for example. Dwarves are medium creatures).

[Paragon]

Since when act of possession removes subtypes of possessor?
After all, Dwarf Ghost (https://web.archive.org/web/20051113005148/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/Ghostwalkv35Conversion.zip) still have their Dwarf subtype

On the other note, Dwarf Einherjar (Deities and Demigods) don't have their racial subtype (along with Elf Einherjar and Human Einherjar)

How about that, I stand corrected on the "spirits can't possibly have racial subtypes".

It still feels like a stretch that something else than humanoid (except well that specific outsider dude) get to have racial subtypes

[ShurikVch]

Dwarf Ancestor is not a template or a ghost. They're a distinct creature. They never had the dwarf subtype.
Presumably, they had.
You know - back then, when they were Dwarves...


Einherjar also isn't a template. And terribly edited
3.5 update booklet (https://web.archive.org/web/20051113005148/http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/Ghostwalkv35Conversion.zip):

Treat “einherjar” as an acquired template


(it has dwarves as small for example. Dwarves are medium creatures).
Well, Midgard Dwarves are Small-sized, right?..
[checking Frostburn]
Yes, they are.
But also - they're lacking the Dwarf subtype too...

[sleepyphoenixx]

How about that, I stand corrected on the "spirits can't possibly have racial subtypes".

It still feels like a stretch that something else than humanoid (except well that specific outsider dude) get to have racial subtypes

Most undead templates only change type. Some add the Augmented X subtype, but very few intelligent undead lose their previous subtypes.
Which is a good thing, because otherwise a lot of spellcasters going lich or necropolitan would likely lose access to some of their feats or prestige classes.

A lot of monstrous humanoids also have the reptilian or goblinoid subtypes.
Several types of outsiders also have a racial subtype (Baatetzu, Angel, Eladrin, Archon etc).


Presumably, they had.
You know - back then, when they were Dwarves...


They're effectively a different creature, much like someone who was reincarnated or used a ritual to change race. So it makes sense that they no longer count as dwarves. They're outsiders now.
Einherjar is also a race change to outsider (quasi-deity), though they explicitly keep their racial traits iirc.

Midgard dwarves don't have the dwarf subtype, but that's why they get the Dwarven Blood special quality, which does pretty much the same thing.