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samduke
2022-10-31, 06:42 PM
pretty much what the title says: I need Class(s) / PRC(s) that boost Constitution (Like War Hulk boosts str)

any WoTC 1st party
No dragon or dungeon magazines allowed

Also: any magic item that is NOT an Enhancement bonus that grants a boost to Constitution like Manual of Bodily Health

please provide Source and Page

Thurbane
2022-10-31, 06:49 PM
In answer to the first part: 3.5 PrCs that grant Ability Score Bonuses (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?255377)

Biggus
2022-10-31, 07:17 PM
You should find some useful stuff here: https://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=19943.0

If you come across anything not on that list please let me know, I'm currently maintaining it.

Particle_Man
2022-10-31, 08:45 PM
Dwarf, Human and Half-Elf racial paragon classes each can give a plus 2 boost at class level three. You could take both the half elf and the human racial paragon classes if you are a half-elf.

RNightstalker
2022-10-31, 10:33 PM
The Chosen of Mystra template adds a +10 enhancement bonus pre-epic levels, FRCS 247

Inevitability
2022-11-01, 01:53 AM
Tattooed Monk is a bit of a niche option, but has the Bamboo Tattoo (add the number of tattoos you possess as an enhancement bonus to your constitution score 1/day/tattoo), and the Bellflower Tattoo (add your charisma modifier as an enhancement bonus to any stat 1/day). It also has a tattoo that's like defensive stance but boosting constitution and wisdom instead, and with no maximum duration, so you'd be able to get arbitrary-duration con boosts out of that.

samduke
2022-11-01, 01:53 AM
Dwarf, Human and Half-Elf racial paragon classes each can give a plus 2 boost at class level three. You could take both the half elf and the human racial paragon classes if you are a half-elf.

Changeling with Racial Emulation Feat I think could qualify for all 3
Ability Boost (Ex): At 3rd level, a half-elf paragon increases one ability score of her choice by 2 points (untyped = useful)
Ability Boost (Ex): At 3rd level, a human paragon increases one ability score of his choice by 2 points (untyped = useful)
Ability Boost (Ex): At 3rd level, a dwarf paragon’s Constitution score increases by 2 points (untyped = useful)


The Chosen of Mystra template adds a +10 enhancement bonus pre-epic levels, FRCS 247
enhancement not so useful as it does not stack, worth noting +10 though


In answer to the first part: 3.5 PrCs that grant Ability Score Bonuses (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?255377)
several things here that were found to be interesting
Changeling with Racial Emulation Feat I think could qualify for Warshaper


You should find some useful stuff here: https://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=19943.0
If you come across anything not on that list please let me know, I'm currently maintaining it.

yeah I have like 99% of that list in a file, but thanks


Tattooed Monk is a bit of a niche option, but has the Bamboo Tattoo (add the number of tattoos you possess as an enhancement bonus to your constitution score 1/day/tattoo), and the Bellflower Tattoo (add your charisma modifier as an enhancement bonus to any stat 1/day). It also has a tattoo that's like defensive stance but boosting constitution and wisdom instead, and with no maximum duration, so you'd be able to get arbitrary-duration con boosts out of that.

again enhancement bonus on most of those tattoo's

Troacctid
2022-11-01, 02:00 AM
Changeling with Racial Emulation Feat I think could qualify for all 3
Ability Boost (Ex): At 3rd level, a half-elf paragon increases one ability score of her choice by 2 points (untyped = useful)
Ability Boost (Ex): At 3rd level, a human paragon increases one ability score of his choice by 2 points (untyped = useful)
Ability Boost (Ex): At 3rd level, a dwarf paragon’s Constitution score increases by 2 points (untyped = useful)
Racial paragon classes don't work that way. You can only have one, unless the class specifically says otherwise.

samduke
2022-11-01, 02:29 AM
Racial paragon classes don't work that way. You can only have one, unless the class specifically says otherwise.

don't think I actually said I was planning to take all 3 just that I thought it would qualify for all 3

thanks for the suggestions all

Paragon
2022-11-01, 02:41 AM
If you want temporary Con boosts, barbarian PrCs can help if you can stack rage effects.
Check out the Berserker round of Iron Chef many builds use barb rage + battle fury + some other form of rage to get insane Con (47 on my build for instance)

eBarbarossa
2022-11-01, 03:17 AM
Depending on the animal, Primeval can give HUGE Con boosts.

samduke
2022-11-01, 07:32 AM
If you want temporary Con boosts, barbarian PrCs can help if you can stack rage effects.
Check out the Berserker round of Iron Chef many builds use barb rage + battle fury + some other form of rage to get insane Con (47 on my build for instance)

definitely looking for permeant effects whether from class / prc or magic item


Depending on the animal, Primeval can give HUGE Con boosts.

you failed to give source and page

Primeval (Frostburn p65)

Primeval Form (Su): maxes out at 4/day
This ability functions like the polymorph spell, except as noted here. It lasts for 1 minute per primeval level, or until he changes back

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Well that is not an answer I will use because of the short duration, limited uses per day

again definitely looking for permeant effects whether from class / prc or magic item

Rebel7284
2022-11-01, 08:47 AM
If you find a way to rage all day, Bear Warrior gives a nice +8 Bonus at level 5.

With that said, I usually go for a combination of race, templates, and classes when I optimize my constitution.

- Mongrelfolk race has +4 Con for 0 LA
- Dragonborn template is effectively a free +2
- If LA buyoff is allowed, Mineral Warrior is only +1 LA and can be applied with a spell (so can be bought via spellcasting services.) +4 Con

This gives you a base of +6 racial for 0 LA or +10 with 1 LA.

Classes
- Stoneblessed 3 gives you +2 Con and makes you count as a Dwarf
- Dwarf Paragon 3 gives you +2 Con
- Warshaper is indeed very good for this, but you kinda want to be a Master of Many Forms, or at least a Bear Warrior.

Spells
- Extract Gift spell gives an enhancement bonus, and while examples only go up to +5, it doesn't seem to be capped.
- Item Alteration infusion can increase to number of bonuses you receive by changing their type.

Biggus
2022-11-01, 10:03 AM
yeah I have like 99% of that list in a file, but thanks


99%? What, do you mean the list before I updated it, or...?

RNightstalker
2022-11-01, 12:17 PM
Soul Elixirs from Dragon Magazine #317, P73. Elixir of Dragons increases CN by +1, Elixir of Elixirs increases all stats by +1. They are listed as minor artifacts and the bonus is unnamed/untyped.

loky1109
2022-11-01, 02:29 PM
don't think I actually said I was planning to take all 3 just that I thought it would qualify for all 3

You would qualify for any one. But not for all. You can't emulate more than one race at once.

samduke
2022-11-02, 01:51 AM
You would qualify for any one. But not for all. You can't emulate more than one race at once.

true it says " You can only emulate one race at a time, and you always retain the shapechanger subtype. "
and with most cases once you are in a class you retain the class features even if you no longer meet a requirement, there are a few where if you no longer meet a requirement then you lose the class features but those specify that factor.

so in theory (not saying I plan or would) one could be a half elf and get 2 of those, and then after 6 levels of those change to be a dwarf and grab the dwarf 3 class levels

once again thank you for the input everyone

Rebel7284
2022-11-02, 09:44 AM
Also, if you do end up doing the changling path, Kobold fighter substitution levels give you +2 Con at level 2. Faster than the paragon classes. Of course it's still better to just be a Mongrelfolk in my eyes, but adding this since I remembered. 😀

Thurbane
2022-11-02, 02:55 PM
In answer to the first part: 3.5 PrCs that grant Ability Score Bonuses (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?255377)

Huh, just noticed Kobold Paragon (https://web.archive.org/web/20200117235358/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060127a) isn't on this list. Cha +2.

Rebel7284
2022-11-02, 07:44 PM
Huh, just noticed Kobold Paragon (https://web.archive.org/web/20200117235358/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060127a) isn't on this list. Cha +2.

Stoneblessed is also missing