Ceuthonymus
2022-12-21, 02:53 AM
This is a balance attempt, which I would like to use as homebrew based on the Class tier and Prestige Class tier posts.
I didn't want to interfere too much into the rules of 3.5e, but I tried to use its tools to create a kind of more balanced gameplay with minor modifications. Based on what many have said, the balance of the classes starts to slip at level 6, so from here I started to slow down the development of the stronger classes and give more opportunities to the weaker ones to keep up with them.
I would be interested in the opinion of the veterans, if my players reaches the level 6, should I use it or it might cause more harm than good. I am asking you to shed light on its biggest weaknesses, or whether it is in the right direction at all.
I'm not allowed to post links but there are the titles what I based it all on.
Class tier - Why each class is in its tier: 2019 update! (Giant in the Playground Forum)
PrC tier - Tier System for PrCs - Reboot (Minmaxforum)
Tier 1: +2 ECL (at level 6 +1, & at 11 +1)
Tier 2: +1 ECL (at level 6 +1)
Tier 3: +0 ECL
Tier 4: -1 ECL (at level 6 -1)
Tier 5: -2 ECL (at level 6 -2)
Tier 6: -3 ECL (at level 6 -3)
The extra ECLs are clearly level adjustments, but the minuses are hard to interpret at first. Since I didn't want to interfere into the experience table and based on many opinions, the balance of the classes starts to slip from level 6, so I thought that from there they get the first increased level adjustment, but for the minuses, it provides more opportunities for ECL deduction.
A, Take prestige class (if meets the requirements) levels in parallel with your basic class (+1 level of existing class features)
as Uncanny Trickster or Legacy Champion would for level adjustment or without feeling it on the xp table.
Class Features: At each level,
you gain class features and an increase in effective
level as if you had also gained a level in a class to which
you belonged before adding the prestige class level.
The specific class features you gain include spells
per day (and spells known, if applicable1), improved
chance of turning or destroying undead, metamagic or
item creation feats, bonus feats, monk special abili-
ties, sneak attack progressions, and so on, depending
on the class. You do not, however, gain the benefit of
your previous classe’s Hit Dice, attack progression,
skill points, or saving throws. If you had more than
one class before using this prestige class bonus, you
must decide to which class to add each level for the
purpose of determining class abilities.
1, Applicable, if the choosen prestige class has some kind of bonus by the current levels and of course if the basic class also own spells as well.
Level 1-5 +1ECL
Level 6-10 +2ECL
Level 11-15 +3ECL
Level 16-20 +4ECL
+ the chosen Prestige Classes tier level adjustment at every 5 level (if is +2 or -2 you should half it to level 5th and 10th.
E.g.: You can take as a Knight (-2ECL), the Knight of the Weave (+0ECL) prestige class at level 6 with "+1 level of existing class features", so you can increase your level pararell to the Prc 10th level (+2ECL) (-2+0+2=0), so without level adjustment.
B, Pick up a template.
E.g.: As Paladin (-1ECL) you can gain the Saint template (+2ECL), (-1+2)= +1 for level adjustment.
And there is a 3rd option, but it may hurt the balance the first 6 levels.
C, Use a stronger races.
E.g.: Start with Drow (+2ECL) as Monk (-2ECL), (2-2=0) so without level adjustment.
Thank you very much for stopping by!
I didn't want to interfere too much into the rules of 3.5e, but I tried to use its tools to create a kind of more balanced gameplay with minor modifications. Based on what many have said, the balance of the classes starts to slip at level 6, so from here I started to slow down the development of the stronger classes and give more opportunities to the weaker ones to keep up with them.
I would be interested in the opinion of the veterans, if my players reaches the level 6, should I use it or it might cause more harm than good. I am asking you to shed light on its biggest weaknesses, or whether it is in the right direction at all.
I'm not allowed to post links but there are the titles what I based it all on.
Class tier - Why each class is in its tier: 2019 update! (Giant in the Playground Forum)
PrC tier - Tier System for PrCs - Reboot (Minmaxforum)
Tier 1: +2 ECL (at level 6 +1, & at 11 +1)
Tier 2: +1 ECL (at level 6 +1)
Tier 3: +0 ECL
Tier 4: -1 ECL (at level 6 -1)
Tier 5: -2 ECL (at level 6 -2)
Tier 6: -3 ECL (at level 6 -3)
The extra ECLs are clearly level adjustments, but the minuses are hard to interpret at first. Since I didn't want to interfere into the experience table and based on many opinions, the balance of the classes starts to slip from level 6, so I thought that from there they get the first increased level adjustment, but for the minuses, it provides more opportunities for ECL deduction.
A, Take prestige class (if meets the requirements) levels in parallel with your basic class (+1 level of existing class features)
as Uncanny Trickster or Legacy Champion would for level adjustment or without feeling it on the xp table.
Class Features: At each level,
you gain class features and an increase in effective
level as if you had also gained a level in a class to which
you belonged before adding the prestige class level.
The specific class features you gain include spells
per day (and spells known, if applicable1), improved
chance of turning or destroying undead, metamagic or
item creation feats, bonus feats, monk special abili-
ties, sneak attack progressions, and so on, depending
on the class. You do not, however, gain the benefit of
your previous classe’s Hit Dice, attack progression,
skill points, or saving throws. If you had more than
one class before using this prestige class bonus, you
must decide to which class to add each level for the
purpose of determining class abilities.
1, Applicable, if the choosen prestige class has some kind of bonus by the current levels and of course if the basic class also own spells as well.
Level 1-5 +1ECL
Level 6-10 +2ECL
Level 11-15 +3ECL
Level 16-20 +4ECL
+ the chosen Prestige Classes tier level adjustment at every 5 level (if is +2 or -2 you should half it to level 5th and 10th.
E.g.: You can take as a Knight (-2ECL), the Knight of the Weave (+0ECL) prestige class at level 6 with "+1 level of existing class features", so you can increase your level pararell to the Prc 10th level (+2ECL) (-2+0+2=0), so without level adjustment.
B, Pick up a template.
E.g.: As Paladin (-1ECL) you can gain the Saint template (+2ECL), (-1+2)= +1 for level adjustment.
And there is a 3rd option, but it may hurt the balance the first 6 levels.
C, Use a stronger races.
E.g.: Start with Drow (+2ECL) as Monk (-2ECL), (2-2=0) so without level adjustment.
Thank you very much for stopping by!