Monsters that bypass poison immunity

[mehs]

This is in regards to pathfinder. There are a bunch of monsters that use poisons, but the only one I know of that can do anything to directly bypass something as simple as a delay poison spell is bokrug, an unkillable great old one. And that guy has to confirm a critical hit, and even then it isn't as effective as normal.

Are there any monsters or poisons that bypass poison immunity? I know of celestial poisons that alchemists get, is there an equivalent for other creature types?

[Zombimode]

Bypassing immunities is pretty rare in general in 3.5.

Conceptionally this makes sense to me: immunities often result of the fundamental nature of the being in question.
A Fire Elemental is immune to fire because of its very nature. Likewise a Iron Golem is immun to poison the way poisons work simply do not interact with an Iron Golem in any way that would affect the golem.

While bypassing immunity is just another effect from a purely game perspective, conceptualizing such an effect is not trivial.

In addition "Immunity" is a pretty bold statement. With each instance where this immunity can be breached, the terms becomes weaker and weaker.


There is one area of immunities that can be bypassed quite easily in 3.5, and that is the immunity to precision damage (crits, sneack attack etc.)
Personally I think it is good that the options to bypass certain precison damage immunities exist, but from a flavour standpoints many of these options hard hard to grok.

[Anthrowhale]

In 3.5, Sertrous (the elder evil) has an aura that eliminates poison immunity. That's the only poison immunity bypass I'm aware of in 3.5.

[Biggus]

In 3.5, Sertrous (the elder evil) has an aura that eliminates poison immunity. That's the only poison immunity bypass I'm aware of in 3.5.

There were also antimagic poisons in an Epic Insights article which overcome all magical and supernatural immunity to poison: https://web.archive.org/web/20161101074508/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20021110a

[Anthrowhale]

There were also antimagic poisons in an Epic Insights article which overcome all magical and supernatural immunity to poison: https://web.archive.org/web/20161101074508/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20021110a

Nice. This appears equivalent to applying poison inside an AMF, except that the ability damage cannot be healed by magic. It could be particularly handy with something like poisoned range weapons where imposing an AMF is more difficult.

I guess there's also the Ravages in BoED, which are supernatural not-poison poisons that only affect evil creatures.

[ShurikVch]

I guess there's also the Ravages in BoED, which are supernatural not-poison poisons that only affect evil creatures.
Then also Positoxins for Undead (Libris Mortis) and Defoliator for Plants (Arms and Equipment Guide)

AFAIK, there are no special immunity to Aboleth (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/aboleth.htm)'s Slime, Green Slime (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/dungeons.htm#slimesMoldsAndFungi) dissolves anything except stone (but including Undead), and Delver (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/delver.htm)'s Corrosive Slime deals up to 8d10 damage to "stony creatures or objects" (4d8 to "metallic creatures or objects", or 2d6 to "organic creatures or objects")

[ViperMagnum357]

If you are ok with Dragon Magazine, then issue 359 has Shaktari, queen of the Mariliths. She has an a weaker but similar aura to Sertrous, only half the range, disabling poison immunity except for elementals, undead, and constructs. On the plus side, she can exclude specific creatures, and it also shuts down spells that prevent poison from affecting creatures.

[Doctor Despair]

AFAIK, there are no special immunity to Aboleth (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/aboleth.htm)'s Slime,

Bind with Haagenti.


Immunity to Transformation: No mortal magic can permanently affect your form while you are bound to Haagenti. Effects such as polymorph or petrifi cation might force you into a new shape, but at the start of your next turn, you can immediately resume your normal form as a free action. You remain affected by such effects only when you choose to do so.

[Thunder999]

If you're that bothered by Delay Poison the answer is Dispel Magic, not hunting for an obscure monster than arbitrarily ignores it.

[Drelua]

Not quite the same, but there's a monster that does acid damage to any weapon that's used to strike it, ignoring hardness. I don't remember what it's called, or if it also ignored acid resistance, but it showed up in a PFS scenario that I'm pretty sure was either levels 5-9 or 7-11, so that narrows down the CR.

I was not happy about this when I had an impervious adamantine nodachi, but luckily someone made the knowledge check so I knew to punch it instead, because I'm easier to heal than a sword.

[Doctor Despair]

Not quite the same, but there's a monster that does acid damage to any weapon that's used to strike it, ignoring hardness. I don't remember what it's called, or if it also ignored acid resistance, but it showed up in a PFS scenario that I'm pretty sure was either levels 5-9 or 7-11, so that narrows down the CR.

I was not happy about this when I had an impervious adamantine nodachi, but luckily someone made the knowledge check so I knew to punch it instead, because I'm easier to heal than a sword.

That's why riverine is a better go-to for an impervious weapon, but that's a digression for another thread. :smallbiggrin:

[Khedrac]

I'm afraid the only one I can think of is 3.5 not Pathfinder, but it may have an equivalent.

It's the Guardian Demon (cannot remember the formal name as it goes back to 2nd Ed) - it's "job" is to act as the blood war enforcer getting other demons to find the devils and it has a poison immunity bypass venom.

[ahyangyi]

Oh, I just saw you were asking about Pathfinder... Then you have the spell Overwhelming Poison (https://aonprd.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Overwhelming%20Poison), which might be helpful.

And just like people already said, dispel magic.

Finally, there's a handbook dedicated to the use of poison in Pathfinder (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vSGy_XHy8gcHlocrg5f3vEX1VtfYT0ox0CRE4OYtqe0).

[ShurikVch]

One more example - Molydeus (Fiendish Codex I):

Molydeus venom is supernaturally potent and can harm creatures normally immune to poison (including those under the effects of spells such as neutralize poison or heroes' feast, but not constructs, oozes, plants, or undead). Against such creatures, its effects are reduced to 1d6 Con for both initial and secondary damage.


EDIT:

Bind with Haagenti.

Immunity to Transformation: No mortal magic can permanently affect your form while you are bound to Haagenti. Effects such as polymorph or petrifi cation might force you into a new shape, but at the start of your next turn, you can immediately resume your normal form as a free action. You remain affected by such effects only when you choose to do so.
Note:

No mortal magic
Aboleth's Slime isn't magical...

[Doctor Despair]

EDIT:

Note:

Aboleth's Slime isn't magical...

Hmm... would it be considered a transmutation effect? Probably not. It does look like a disease though, since remove disease functions on it. Immunity to disease may be sufficient.

[Anthrowhale]

FYI, I added several of the above to the piercing immunity list (https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?454486-Piercing-Immunities&p=20020302#post20020302).