TT Curse of the Crimson Throne

[TerrickTerran]

Post character links, choose your color, throw out any questions, yada yada.

IC Post: https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?656947-TT-Curse-of-the-Crimson-Throne

[DarkTogashi]

Woot. I finally made it into a game!

Here's Rose (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2799317) and I choose Red

Anyone want to their character have a past with Rose?

[Arael666]

R.3.N.D. (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2797264) will speak in blue

My first question is, should we read anything about the module? I have 0 clue what it is about, don't even remember the name :smallbiggrin:

[Xav]

Player/Color
Character
Concept
Track 1
Track 2


TheThrongler/Brown
Bahauru Ni'Teth (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2798594)
Squad Commander/Buffer
Tactician
Inspiring Leader Cavalier


RelentlessImp/Pale plum
Abyssinia Coelacanth (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796833)
Gun Mage
Spellslinger Wizard 3/Unchained Rogue 1/Arcane Trickster 1
Eldritch Archer/Hexcrafter/Staff Magus 5


Samduke/Green
Asami Kurama (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796722)
Kitsune Warrior
Quickblade Fighter 5
Brawler 1/ Unchained Rogue 4


Xav/Indigo
Lewis Blackheart (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796967)
Psionically Augmented Magus
Aegis 3/Psion 2
Bladebound Kensai Magus


DarkTogashi/Red
Rose (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2799317)
Witching Bard with a mystical cat
Bard(Lotus Gisha)5
Witch(Seducer)5


Arael/Blue
R.3.N.D. (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2797264)
Self-buffing Melee Frontliner
Psion
Aegis





Lewis' color is Indigo.

[TerrickTerran]

I'd rather not on the Magus thing and psionics equals magic so psicraft or spellcraft, no need for both.

[Xav]

I'd rather not on the Magus thing
Well, that's really sad. It cripples the possible gestalt synergy, and mostly leaves the psion part for out of combat usage. Is it still possible to switch to wizard then?

[DarkTogashi]

Is Rose the only healer? That might be an issue. Rose does heal all that well. Now if we hit them like a ton of bricks then we won't have to worry but longer battles might be a problem. I was planning to grab the misfortune hex at my next chance maybe I'll grab the cure hex instead.



Did she have any dealings with the Acadamae?

I deliberately left her adventuring year vague for this reason so maybe. Are they the type she would meet adventuring or get a job from?

[samduke]

Asami Kurama (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796722) will speak in Green

[samduke]

@TerrickTerran

just a reminder to put the link to the ic probably in your 1st post and the same in ic for the ooc- re: forum rules

[TerrickTerran]

Feel free to change to wizard. I'm not particularly versed in Magus which is why I'm worried about it.

I will add the IC link shortly.

[TheThrongler]

Bahauru will speak in the same faded brown as his military coat.

I think Rose is our only real healer, but I'll note that Lewis does start with a wand of Infernal Healing. That should get us through for at least a little while. Bahauru lacks any healing, but he has a number of ways to try to keep us from taking damage in the first place (the Arrow Magnet (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/a-b/arrow-magnet) is amazing for this level of play and I can't believe I've never seen it before).

If the party needs to donate some of our loot through the game to keep our stock of healing wands viable, that seems reasonable (and in-battle healing is a losing strategy at least until Heal comes online).

How long ago did Rose and her cat escape? Bahauru has been out of the city for the last five years or so, just returning back in the last few months. If her escape was before he left the city, he would have been part of the Korvosan Guard (effectively the City Watch in this context), and may have provided temporary shelter for her for a few nights with his friend, a venerable monk (as in, the social role, not the class) of Abadar while he spread false rumors about her having left the city. He's not especially paternal, but he has specific views about the buying and selling of people, that have only grown stronger since he saw how the Hellknights treat their slave-soldiers at the Worldwound. If you want, and the timelines line up, it could even have been some of the early manifestations of Rose's powers influencing him to help her.

[DarkTogashi]

Sadly she escaped 3 years ago when she was 14. i assume Bahauru is only recently back from the worldwound?

[TheThrongler]

Yes, he has only been back for a few months and hasn't really had any official role or much business within the city since returning. The crime and violence seems to have gotten worse while he was away, with a new atmosphere of unrest in the city, and he has been asking questions about the timeline and causes which is what has been leading him to Gaedren Lamm, but all that is as a private citizen.

[DarkTogashi]

Yes, he has only been back for a few months and hasn't really had any official role or much business within the city since returning. The crime and violence seems to have gotten worse while he was away, with a new atmosphere of unrest in the city, and he has been asking questions about the timeline and causes which is what has been leading him to Gaedren Lamm, but all that is as a private citizen.

He could recognize her as the girl that busks in the squares. That's what she's been doing since her last adventure.

[samduke]

@TerrickTerran

A couple of mechanical things I want to make sure will work the way I expect.
Kitsune, Change Shape (Su) A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex

Human Guise, count as both human and your race for the purpose of taking character options, such as archetypes, feats, spells, traits, and prestige classes.

Racial Heritage, Choose another humanoid race. You count as both human and that race for any effects related to race
>Humanoid (ratfolk)

Kitsune, Nine-Tailed Inheritor, Magical tails (4 currently)

Item: Ratfolk Tailblade's - a weapon for each tail


Questions
Does Brawler's Unarmed Strike allow the magical tail to count as a natural weapon for unarmed damage?

Can I Apply Brawler's Unarmed Strike & Rogue Sneak Attack to the "tail" attacks whether "armed" or not?

the Feat tree two/multi weapon fighting: would they count each tail as a off hand weapon?

[TheThrongler]

Ok, with a little bit of juggling on skill points and feats, Bahauru could become a good healer, but would lose the Bodyguard feat (or rather, would get it later).

With Healer's Hands (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/conduit-feats/healers-hands-conduit/) and the Signature Skill feat to gain the Heal skill unlocks (https://legacy.aonprd.com/unchained/skillsAndOptions/skillUnlocks.html), he would be able to treat deadly wounds as a full round action for 10 HP once per day for each person, then a total of 5 additional times spread across everyone (roughly equivalent to 11 castings of Cure Light Wounds per day). The healing would continue to scale as we gain levels without any further investment beyond skill ranks.

Do we think I should do this? It does make sense that he would know a bit of field medicine, and it fits with his support role. The Knowledge (planes) makes sense too, since he was fighting at the Worldwound for several years.

I'll also have the ability to share a teamwork feat, but I need to pick one. Here are some of the ones that seem promising:
Allied Spellcaster: +2 to CL checks to overcome SR if adjacent to an ally (SR probably becomes more relevant later on, though)
Precise Strike: +1d6 precision damage vs. flanked targets (but requires that we get in flanking)
Shake it off: +1 to saves for each adjacent ally, up to +4

I think Shake it Off is probably the better bet, but I'm open to input.

[Xav]

Feel free to change to wizard. I'm not particularly versed in Magus which is why I'm worried about it.
Ah, that's the reason? Well, I wanted to stay with Magus as a base anyway - all the question is in second part of gestalt. Now I'll explain a bit - if I change to Wiz (Magus/Wizard), it's just straightforward RAW to use Wiz spells with Magus spell combat/spellstrike with Broad Study Arcana. Obviously, in Official Paizo there is no mentioning of Psionic - thus, I wanted to clarify Psi-Magic transparency, and with it, I'd say, Broad Study should relate to Powers as well. I don't think it would complicate the character anyway more, than a plain Wizard (as Magus/Wizard is more well-rounded and powerful). And if you see anything that seems broken, it's always possible to avoid it.

On backstory - in brief, Lewis was one of the Gaedren Lamm's orphanages. When his magical gift began to manifest, he made his escape and after some time, joined the Acadamae guards (who often kept tieflings in their ranks). There he achieved his knowledge and, after his service ended, became ready to deal with Gaedren.


I think Shake it Off is probably the better bet, but I'm open to input.I'd also vote for Shake it Off. Anyway, in several levels we'll presumably get access to Psychic Reformation.

[TerrickTerran]

Oh if that's the thing, yeah, you can do the psionics/magic thing. Just wasn't sure what it involved.

[Xav]

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/mmiQDbKSlV2Y.png?o=1
Lewis Blackheart (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796967)
Tiefling Magus Psion
AC: 22 (22 T/10 FF)
DR: 2/-
HP: 47/47
Perception: +12
Conditions: --

"Speech" - actions, description, - "Speech"





For future usage. Feel free to copy/adapt for your character, I personally find it helpful to immerse in the atmosphere.

[RelentlessImp]

Apologies for my delay, today was a work day so I've been on the go since waking.

Abyssinia will be speaking in pale plum.

https://i.imgur.com/9Yr41JA.png
Abyssinia Coelacanth (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796833)
Human Sneaky Gunmage
AC: 16 (14 T/12 FF)
HP: 55/55
Perception: +11
Conditions: --

"Speech" - actions, description, - "Speech"

[TheThrongler]

https://i.imgur.com/RyCyPVv.jpg
Bahauru Ni'Toth (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2798594)
Elf Tactician Commander
AC: 20 (14 T/16 FF)
HP: 37/37
PP: 40/40
Perception: +9
Conditions: --

"Speech" - actions, description, - "Speech"





I wanted to see how this looked to determine if I wanted to use it in the IC thread.

Ok, I went with Shake it Off for the teamwork feat that I can share a few times per day, and rearranged my feats to be our healer. It's not quite as much as having a cleric with Channel Energy, but by swapping out Combat Reflexes (which didn't really do anything helpful without Bodyguard anyway) for Additional Traits, I can now use Treat Deadly Wounds twice per day per character/creature, +5 times per day total. My heal check would (usually) allow me to add Wisdom to damage healed, and I have the trait Precise Treatment that lets me use Intelligence instead, so each TDW should now be 16 HP if we're out of combat and I can take 10 (so each use is more or less like a CL 5 Cure Moderate Wounds instead of CL 5 Cure Light Wounds).

[Arael666]

If we're talking out of combat healing, I'm covered since Metabolic Healing (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/alternative-rule-systems/psionics-unleashed/classes/psion/psionic-disciplines/psychometabolism/) and Discipline Talents means I can keep manifesting powers without spending pp and gain the fast healing.

[TheThrongler]

You were right about using that header table for posts, Xav, I really like how it looks and sets up the IC posts to be nice and readable in context. Excellent idea.

[Xav]

Thanks. I also borrowed it from a fellow player. Imo, a picture near the text helps both you and other players to assosiate.

[DarkTogashi]

for those of us not up to date with the form tables and headers and such can you post the setup for that, please?

edit. found it when replying to one of you. Thanks anyway! I can't seem to get my image to shirk to the correct size so I'll leave out for now.



https://images.nightcafe.studio/jobs/CCnaAb8WGyIeR9ID6bsZ/CCnaAb8WGyIeR9ID6bsZ--1--6xeyg_4x.jpg?tr=w-200,c-at_max
Rose of the Ally (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2799317)
Human Innocent Seductress
AC: 15 (13 T/12 FF)
HP: 36/36
Perception: +9
Conditions: --

Speech Action Speech





Edit: I don't know how I let that word salad get by me. Fixed now.

[TheThrongler]

I don't know of a way to post the formatting for you without it just recreating the table. The way I got it was to start a reply quoting Xav's comment, then trimmed the actual 'quote' tags and changed the specific information (numbers, links, kinds of information in the header) to be appropriate for Bahauru. When the "Preview Post" button gave me a result that looked right, I copied the formatting that gave the result into the Private Notes section of my Myth-weavers sheet so I could grab it easily in the future.

[TerrickTerran]

Just to let everyone know, the next post should be up in the next few hours. Yesterday ended up being busier than planned.

[Xav]

Made several changes to the charsheet, before anything actually started. Also got rid of Inf.Healing Wand.

[samduke]

I don't know of a way to post the formatting for you without it just recreating the table. The way I got it was to start a reply quoting Xav's comment, then trimmed the actual 'quote' tags and changed the specific information (numbers, links, kinds of information in the header) to be appropriate for Bahauru. When the "Preview Post" button gave me a result that looked right, I copied the formatting that gave the result into the Private Notes section of my Myth-weavers sheet so I could grab it easily in the future.

Use the ] on the end of everything - that should do otherwise yeah just reply to the post remove the quote and fill in your information


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Asami Kurama (https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=2796722)
Kitsune Warrior
AC:20 (14 T/15 FF)
DR:-
HP:45
Perception:12
Conditions: --

Text speech actions: -





@GM
this post should have a link back to the OOC

https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=25794354&postcount=1

[DarkTogashi]

I added a runaway twin sister to Rose's background so she'd have a link to the scumlord.

[samduke]

Who enters first?

well if my estimate is correct Asami Kurama I think got there first so she would have, unless you refer to the others ?

[samduke]

@TerrickTerran

I asked this on post 15 but I think it was missed

Questions
Does Brawler's Unarmed Strike allow the magical tail to count as a natural weapon for unarmed damage?

Can I Apply Brawler's Unarmed Strike & Rogue Sneak Attack to the "tail" attacks whether "armed" or not?

the Feat tree two/multi weapon fighting: would they count each tail as a off hand weapon?

[TheThrongler]

Looking over the Helpful Trait (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/combat-traits/helpful-combat/) and the level two ability of the Order of the Dragon (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/cavalier/orders/paizo-cavalier-orders/order-of-the-dragon/), I'm convinced that these do not stack. I'll need to find another trait to replace it with, will update this post with one when I find it.

[TerrickTerran]

SD
Question 1: From what I've read, no.

Question 2: Let me get back to you on that one.

[DarkTogashi]

I believe there is a feat that let's you apply unarmed strike damage to natural attacks. It called something like midnight strike or something similar.

Edit: My mistake. The feat is Feral Combat training.

[samduke]

SD
Question 1: From what I've read, no.

Question 2: Let me get back to you on that one.

*
At 1st level, a brawler gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat.
A brawler may attack with fists, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a brawler may make unarmed strikes with her hands full
* It is my presumption that the "Tail" could be included in this



I believe there is a feat that let's you apply unarmed strike damage to natural attacks. It called something like midnight strike or something similar.

Edit: My mistake. The feat is Feral Combat training.

okay I will have to acquire that then, as it does seem to allow for what I am attempting




I'm casting Detect Magic using the conceal spell feat. Everyone get a perception check of DC 23 to know I've cast a spell. This is more to test out the feat then anything else.


*I am not sure how your getting a DC 23 ? I think it should be 18

Detect Magic
Component: V, S

Conceal Spell feat
To discover your ruse, a creature must succeed at a Perception, Sense Motive, or Spellcraft check (the creature receives an automatic check with whichever of those skills has the highest bonus)
against a DC equal to 15 + your number of ranks in Bluff (+5) or Disguise (+5) (whichever is higher) + your Charisma modifier (+4)
<15+5+4=24>

If your spell has a somatic component, any creature that can see you receives a Perception or Spellcraft check (whichever has the highest bonus) against a DC equal to 15 + your number of ranks in Sleight of Hand (+0) + your Dexterity modifier (+3) the creature gains a bonus on its check equal to the level of the spell or spell-like ability you are concealing. <15+0+3=18>

[DarkTogashi]

Conceal Spell feat
To discover your ruse, a creature must succeed at a Perception, Sense Motive, or Spellcraft check (the creature receives an automatic check with whichever of those skills has the highest bonus)
against a DC equal to 15 + your number of ranks in Bluff (+5) or Disguise (+5) (whichever is higher) + your Charisma modifier (+4)
<15+5+4=24>

If your spell has a somatic component, any creature that can see you receives a Perception or Spellcraft check (whichever has the highest bonus) against a DC equal to 15 + your number of ranks in Sleight of Hand (+0) + your Dexterity modifier (+3) the creature gains a bonus on its check equal to the level of the spell or spell-like ability you are concealing. <15+0+3=18>

Thank you for pointing out i didn't copy over my slight of hand ranks. I should have 5 there. fixed on my sheet now.

[TheThrongler]

I believe the tails would count as an unarmed strike (made with the tail), not a separate natural attack (just as a human brawler doesn't gain 4 slam attacks for their hands and feet) unless there's something you're doing that grants a separate natural weapon attack for your tails. Adding weapons makes them weapon attacks, not unarmed strikes (or natural weapons) and so one weapon (or unarmed strike) will count as your "main-hand" attack for the turn and gain full strength bonus to damage while each additional weapon is treated as off-hand. You could choose to have one of your tail weapons be your "main-hand" but then whatever you're doing with your actual hands (or unarmed strike) counts as off-hand. Put another way, when attacking with 2+ weapons (or 1+ weapons and unarmed strike), any one of your choice can be treated as your main-hand, all others are treated as off-hand regardless of actual limbs/extremities used to conduct the attacks.

EDIT: You can probably still get damage equivalent to a monk's unarmed strike with your tail blades at the cost of three feats. You would need Weapon Focus, Martial Focus (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/martial-focus-combat/), then the Advanced Weapon Training (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/advanced-weapon-training-combat/)feat for the Focused Weapon option. This relies on a slightly loose interpretation, as I think a DM would need to rule that the psuedo-Weapon Training from Martial Focus counted for the Advanced Weapon Training feat, but I really think Advanced Weapon Training should be a [Weapon Mastery] feat already based on its function and prerequisites, and would then definitely be qualified for by Martial Focus.

[RelentlessImp]

Tailblades are a special exception to the rule in that they become secondary natural attacks of the Tail type, made with a -5 penalty from base attack bonus.

The only way I know of to get Unarmed damage in place of weapon damage is the Ascetic Strike (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/ascetic-strike-combat) feat of the Ascetic Style chain.

Sneak Attacks are generally good to go with any attack that meets the requirements, meaning you should be able to sneak attack with your tailblade.

[TerrickTerran]

Hey guys, work and some issues at home have slowed me up a bit but I hope to catch up tomorrow as I have the day off.

[samduke]

well as I read it the magical tail should count as a natural weapon "Tail", thus improved unarmed strike would then apply.
the damage for such is not great but hey. Anyways the tail blades with the feats taken should allow for the "tails" to count as armed or unarmed, pending GM, if armed then the rule for TWF/MWF becomes one of do the armed tails count as an off hand weapon

if not then TWF./MWF rules say that a full attack gets all of the normal attack iterations + all natural weapons 1 time each.

so I was looking for the GM to clarify how they are going to rule the "Tails" and then rule them with the tail blades.

[DarkTogashi]

Maybe, while our DM is managing things, we can decide on some of the more boring things like marching order and who's the best at perception and stuff like that?

[Arael666]

Maybe, while our DM is managing things, we can decide on some of the more boring things like marching order and who's the best at perception and stuff like that?

I'm a frontliner but while I think I shoud be in the vanguard, my perception is abysmal

[TheThrongler]

Bahauru can be a body on the line, but his contributions are definitely not going to be with his sword (he only does 1d8+1 damage, or 1d8+3 with bardic music). He's probably a second-line warrior, close enough to maybe plug a gap, provide a flanking buddy, or provide in-combat healing, but you're going to be there all day if you want to wait for him to whittle down an enemy with attacks.

[Xav]

Lewis is a mobile frontliner and competent scout. So, his place is definitely in the front rows.

[DarkTogashi]

Rose is as squishy as they come as such is a backliner if not hiding in a corner hoping no one sees her liner.

She has a Perception of +9

He best skills are Bluff at 17 and Disguise of 14.

Edit: When/If we're dungeon crawling Can I suggest keeping on of the frontliners In the back in case of ambushes? May be one of the more mobile ones?

[samduke]

My Suggestion on Tactical Positioning ( party order )


1:Asami < AC 20, Perception 12, Weapon: Broken-back seax 1d10+2 >
2:Bahauru < AC 20, Perception 9, Weapon: Rapier 1d8+1 >
3:R.3.N.D. < AC 15, Perception -1, Weapon: Slam 1d8+6 >
4:Abyssinia < AC 16, Perception 11, Weapon: Revolver 1d8 >
5:Rose < AC 15, Perception 7, Weapon: Travelling Kettle 1d6+1 > *DarkTogashi > has a Perception of +9 > sheet shows 7
6:Lewis < AC 22, Perception 12, Weapon: Netherblade 1d6+9 >

[TheThrongler]

I have no objections, I think that works.

[Xav]

Yes, seems good.

[TerrickTerran]

I hate to do this but I'm dealing with a lot of issues physically and mentally right now and trying to add the stress of running a game to it is simply not going to work. I deeply apologize for this as you all made some great characters but I am not in a good spot to try and run a long term game.

[TheThrongler]

It happens sometimes. Focus on yourself, feel better and take of yourself. I hope the stuff your dealing with resolves favorably and quickly.

[DarkTogashi]

I don't know about the others but do your thing and I'll be here when your in a better place.