Paragon
2023-06-25, 11:32 AM
So the game I'm in has a Beguiler/Mindbender with the Eternal Charm ability and I'm trying to make sense of how her abilities work.
Eternal Charm is a Spell-Like Ability that mimics charm monster with a permanent duration.
My character was onto the Mindbender's trail and deeply distrusted her which brought her to use Eternal Charm on him. Hefailed the check and now views the caster as his BFF.
Since SRD says
A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature’s saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells. and since
[stuff about components, focus, xp, casting time and counterspelling] In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell I'm going to say the Mindbender would know if my character had made the save (which means she knows it worked).
Now, my character has been affected by another effect he knows little about. He tries his luck by casting Break Enchantement on himself trying to break said effect (and it fails) but the Break Enchantement still breaks the Eternal Charm effect.
1) As the magic fades away, his antagonist feelings towards the caster come back, instantly and seemingly out of nowhere. Is it that farfetched he'd piece things out together ?
2) When that happens, does the Mindbender feel her thrall has been set free ? The only wording I could find about freeing a creature from her grasp is by casting Eternal Charm on another being but it is silent on whether she'd be notified the effect stopped.
Same question would work for Charm Person, Suggestion and other subtle spells.
PS : I'm sure I read somewhere of a spell that had the same effect as suggestion but carried a special mention that the target would believe the suggestion to be their own idea. That would be a specific enough rule to say that the general one is "the target then remembers the suggestion wasn't their own".
What say you Playground ?
Eternal Charm is a Spell-Like Ability that mimics charm monster with a permanent duration.
My character was onto the Mindbender's trail and deeply distrusted her which brought her to use Eternal Charm on him. Hefailed the check and now views the caster as his BFF.
Since SRD says
A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature’s saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells. and since
[stuff about components, focus, xp, casting time and counterspelling] In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell I'm going to say the Mindbender would know if my character had made the save (which means she knows it worked).
Now, my character has been affected by another effect he knows little about. He tries his luck by casting Break Enchantement on himself trying to break said effect (and it fails) but the Break Enchantement still breaks the Eternal Charm effect.
1) As the magic fades away, his antagonist feelings towards the caster come back, instantly and seemingly out of nowhere. Is it that farfetched he'd piece things out together ?
2) When that happens, does the Mindbender feel her thrall has been set free ? The only wording I could find about freeing a creature from her grasp is by casting Eternal Charm on another being but it is silent on whether she'd be notified the effect stopped.
Same question would work for Charm Person, Suggestion and other subtle spells.
PS : I'm sure I read somewhere of a spell that had the same effect as suggestion but carried a special mention that the target would believe the suggestion to be their own idea. That would be a specific enough rule to say that the general one is "the target then remembers the suggestion wasn't their own".
What say you Playground ?