I Love Dragons

[Bartmanhomer]

I love all types of dragons: Western dragons, Eastern dragons, Medieval dragons, dragons from fairy tales, dragons from movies, TV shows, books, and games. I even like D&D Dragons as especially D&D 3.5 Dragon Pantheon which has inspired me to write stories about dragons. The reason why I love dragons is because they are beautiful, intelligent, and powerful creatures. Dragons are very cool in my opinion. :smile:

[Fyraltari]

This is a shocking revelation that takes me utterly by surprise. I am being sarcastic.

[Bartmanhomer]

This is a shocking revelation that takes me utterly by surprise. I am being sarcastic.

I know you were being sarcastic. It is not even a huge surprise anymore. :smile:

[Peelee]

The Mod on the Silver Mountain: Moved to Friendly Banter.

[Anonymouswizard]

This is a shocking revelation that takes me utterly by surprise.

I know, I had Bartmanhomer pegged as a chimera man.its like a dragon, but also the GOAT! :smalltongue:

[Buufreak]

Ya know, Bart. I too really like dragons. I have looked into their lore, ecology, physiology, and generally all the aspects that make the difference of a true dragon and other similar creatures. Case in point, I'm rather annoyed that my friends want to argue about game of thrones having dragons when clearly they are wyverns.

[Rater202]

Ya know, Bart. I too really like dragons. I have looked into their lore, ecology, physiology, and generally all the aspects that make the difference of a true dragon and other similar creatures. Case in point, I'm rather annoyed that my friends want to argue about game of thrones having dragons when clearly they are wyverns.

The distinction does not exist in folklore: A wyvern is a type of Western dragon

[Anonymouswizard]

The distinction does not exist in folklore: A wyvern is a type of Western dragon

Can we just stop this arguement before it starts to dragon?

[enderlord99]

The distinction does not exist in folklore: A wyvern is a type of Western dragon

According to a lot of people, dragons having a different number of limbs from wyverns means they can't possibly be related, which in turn means that any source of fiction calling wyverns "dragons" is automatically bad.

Those people are wrong.

[Bartmanhomer]

Ya know, Bart. I too really like dragons. I have looked into their lore, ecology, physiology, and generally all the aspects that make the difference of a true dragon and other similar creatures. Case in point, I'm rather annoyed that my friends want to argue about game of thrones having dragons when clearly they are wyverns.

Cool, Buufreak. Dragons are cool and I do agree that wyverns are dragons. :wink:

[Rater202]

Can we just stop this arguement before it starts to dragon?

Better for it to drag-on than to dung-on, no?

[Fyraltari]

Ya know, Bart. I too really like dragons. I have looked into their lore, ecology, physiology, and generally all the aspects that make the difference of a true dragon and other similar creatures. Case in point, I'm rather annoyed that my friends want to argue about game of thrones having dragons when clearly they are wyverns.

You are joking right?

[DavidSh]

According to a lot of people, dragons having a different number of limbs from wyverns means they can't possibly be related, which in turn means that any source of fiction calling wyverns "dragons" is automatically bad.

Those people are wrong.
Even ignoring the other shaky parts of the reasoning, this would deny the generally accepted relationship between lizards and snakes.

[enderlord99]

You are joking right?

They doesn't seem to be joking to me... which based on prior experience means they probably is.

[Anonymouswizard]

According to a lot of people, dragons having a different number of limbs from wyverns means they can't possibly be related, which in turn means that any source of fiction calling wyverns "dragons" is automatically bad.

Those people are wrong.

You almost had me for a second


Even ignoring the other shaky parts of the reasoning, this would deny the generally accepted relationship between lizards and snakes.

Legged lizards are a myth!

More seriously, lizards can have zero, two, or four legs*, and are still considered lizards. I believe they're generally more closely related than lizards and snakes are

* I feel the need to add 'before limb removal or prosthetics become involved'.

[137beth]

Have you read the webcomic Far To The North (https://www.farnorthcomic.com/) by Allison Shaw? Her take on dragons is quite interesting and different from any other form of dragons I've read about.

[animorte]

when clearly they are wyverns.

A wyvern is a type of Western dragon

I do agree that wyverns are dragons. :wink:
But more importantly - and I can't stress this enough - are they pronouncing wyvern correctly?

[Buufreak]

Hell yes, let's dig this hole so much deeper!


The distinction does not exist in folklore: A wyvern is a type of Western dragon

Dragon like, sure, but not True DragonsTM. Thusly, I recognize a difference, just like I would for drakes, longs, etc.


According to a lot of people, dragons having a different number of limbs from wyverns means they can't possibly be related, which in turn means that any source of fiction calling wyverns "dragons" is automatically bad.

Those people are wrong.

At no point did I say anything was bad. I'm simply stating wrongness, which is far far more important on the internet.


You are joking right?

NEVER!


Even ignoring the other shaky parts of the reasoning, this would deny the generally accepted relationship between lizards and snakes.

But see, there in lies the problem: that argument completely forgets about amphibians!


But more importantly - and I can't stress this enough - are they pronouncing wyvern correctly?

Wy, as in why are you asking this silly question?

vern, as in Lavern, the sassy nurse from Scrubs.

[Rater202]

Dragon like, sure, but not True DragonsTM. Thusly, I recognize a difference, just like I would for drakes, longs, etc.

"True Dragon" is an arbitrary distinction created by a TTRPG for the sake of distinguishing between Tolkien-esque" sapient arcane force of nature" Dragons and other varieties.

In an academic context, it's meaningless you might as well be arguing about what does and does not make someone a True Scotsman.

[enderlord99]

Dragon like, sure, but not True DragonsTM.

I agree, but it doesn't have to be that way.

I was referencing someone I knew IRL earlier, and they said "no, they're not dragons at all!" and insisted... everything I previously said was "according to a lot of people"

[Buufreak]

"True Dragon" is an arbitrary distinction created by a TTRPG for the sake of distinguishing between Tolkien-esque" sapient arcane force of nature" Dragons and other varieties.

In an academic context, it's meaningless you might as well be arguing about what does and does not make someone a True Scotsman.

Meaningless, yes. Shallow and pedantic, yes. Down right stupid of me to argue about, yes. Anyway, nuh uh!

To the Scotsman thing, I don't think I can argue that without getting in trouble with forum rules.


I agree, but it doesn't have to be that way.

I was referencing someone I knew IRL earlier, and they said "no, they're not dragons at all!" and insisted... everything I previously said was "according to a lot of people"

I didn't know my brother knew people that were intelligent.

[TaiLiu]

I don't think I like dragons as much as you do, but I like dragons, too. I have a fluffy western-style dragon that I like sleeping with at night.

[Psyren]

But more importantly - and I can't stress this enough - are they pronouncing wyvern correctly?

Sure, just pronounce it "wyvern." Easy.

[Anonymouswizard]

Sure, just pronounce it "wyvern." Easy.

Ah, like how drow rhymes with bow?

[BisectedBrioche]

I like dragons, but I don't think I could eat a whole one.

[Rater202]

I like dragons, but I don't think I could eat a whole one.

Yeah. Specially since dragon goes bad fast so if you wanna eat a whole one you've gotta do it raw and...

Have you ever had fresh dragon's blood?

Imagine if somoene mixed pure distilled vinegar with Tabasco sauce and the dust you get from grinding up flintstones vitamins, carbonated it, and raised its temperature to 100 C. Now imagine that's in your mouth at the same time as a whole pack of sour raspberry-flavored pop rocks.

[Eldan]

Ya know, Bart. I too really like dragons. I have looked into their lore, ecology, physiology, and generally all the aspects that make the difference of a true dragon and other similar creatures. Case in point, I'm rather annoyed that my friends want to argue about game of thrones having dragons when clearly they are wyverns.

Why, are they pictures on English heraldry?

The Wyvern-Dragon distinction is only made in the English heraldic tradition, and nowhere else. And to be a Wyvern, they also need a poisonous tail stinger, because the name "Wyvern" is derrived from "Vyper". No poison tail, not a Wyvern.

Also in English heraldry, a unicorn has the beard of a goat and a lion's tail. Therefore for anyone who argues the difference between wyverns and dragons? No lion's tail and no beard? Then it's not a unicorn. Oh, and what's that? A tiger actually has a beak? A seahorse actually has the head of a horse? Griffins must have ears on the eagle's head or they are not griffins?

Those all make just as much sense as the stupid dragon-wyvern distinction, outside a very specific context. Until then, I will leave everyone with this image of Alexander the Great fighting some dragons.

https://beyondthepoint.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Dragon-fron-Bogleech-dot-com.jpg

Because real dragons have six legs and two heads, or they don't count.

Also, the only real spelling and pronunciation is "vouivre", because as we all know, British heraldry should actually be written in Norman French.

[Anonymouswizard]

Why, are they pictures on English heraldry?

Because we're elitest degenerates who can't do anything correctly (see: curry, tea, British Leyland...).

[Fyraltari]

Also in English heraldry, a unicorn has the beard of a goat and a lion's tail. Therefore for anyone who argues the difference between wyverns and dragons? No lion's tail and no beard? Then it's not a unicorn. Oh, and what's that? A tiger actually has a beak? A seahorse actually has the head of a horse? Griffins must have ears on the eagle's head or they are not griffins?
Funnily, a lot of this matches with either the fantasy creatures or the heraldry in A song of Ice and Fire.


https://beyondthepoint.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Dragon-fron-Bogleech-dot-com.jpg

Because real dragons have six legs and two heads, or they don't count.
Are the eyes optional?


Also, the only real spelling and pronunciation is "vouivre", because as we all know, British heraldry should actually be written in Norman French.
Please, "guivre"* is obviously the best spelling**.

*Not a joke.
**A joke.

[Eldan]

Hm. I concede, then we can make additional jokes that British heraldy can't even spell their own French right.

[Fyraltari]

Hm. I concede, then we can make additional jokes that British heraldy can't even spell their own French right.

No, no, vouivre is correct. the two are synonyms. I just find the word guivre inherently funny.

[animorte]

Sure, just pronounce it "wyvern." Easy.

Ah, like how drow rhymes with bow?
See, these two get it.

[Aedilred]

To the Scotsman thing, I don't think I can argue that without getting in trouble with forum rules.


No true Scotsman would worry about the forum rules while arguing that subject.

[Khedrac]

Hm. I concede, then we can make additional jokes that British heraldy can't even spell their own French right.

I don't see why not, we would if we understood it well enough.

Something to remember about British heraldry though - the "kings of arms" who oversee it had their last pay change in the 1830s and it was a pay cut, which I think shows just how much their work is valued...
(The pay for the different officals varies, but ranges between £13.96 and £49.07 per year.)

[MutantDragon]

Ah, like how drow rhymes with bow?

Ye fool!

"Drow" has the clear design
To form a rhyme
When mixed with "brow"
Or perhaps with "cow"

Do you understand it now?


That aside, I would like to bring forth my own valuable, new, and insightful contribution to the wyvern vs dragon debate: Buufreak is wrong (shame be upon ye). Dragons with two legs and two wings are, in fact, still dragons.

[Buufreak]

Ye fool!

"Drow" has the clear design
To form a rhyme
When mixed with "brow"
Or perhaps with "cow"

Do you understand it now?


That aside, I would like to bring forth my own valuable, new, and insightful contribution to the wyvern vs dragon debate: Buufreak is wrong (shame be upon ye). Dragons with two legs and two wings are, in fact, still dragons.

Well lucky for me, wrongness is in the eye of the beholder. All dozen or so or them.

[enderlord99]

Ye fool!

"Drow" has the clear design
To form a rhyme
When mixed with "brow"
Or perhaps with "cow"

Do you understand it now?

So it also rhymes with "bow" as in to karate yourself out of politeness.

[MutantDragon]

So it also rhymes with "bow" as in to karate yourself out of politeness.

You know that look when you entirely forget a word exists despite having an internal conversation about it earlier the same day? That’s what I now see in the mirror.

[137beth]

No true Scotsman would worry about the forum rules while arguing that subject.

May I put this in my extended sig?

[Bartmanhomer]

I really love the D&D 3.5 Dragon Pantheon as well.

[Fyraltari]

I really love the D&D 3.5 Dragon Pantheon as well.

I don't believe you.

[Bartmanhomer]

I don't believe you.

Was that a joke or are you being serious? :confused:

[Fyraltari]

Was that a joke or are you being serious? :confused:

I'm just messing with ya.

[Bartmanhomer]

I'm just messing with ya.

Ok. Great joke. Do you worship Hlal the Laughing Dragon Deity by any chance? :smile:

[Anonymouswizard]

I really love the D&D 3.5 Dragon Pantheon as well.

Is that why there's a lot more demigod half-dragons running around?

[Bartmanhomer]

Is that why there's a lot more demigod half-dragons running around?

Yes, pretty much. They do their own thing. :cool:

[Bartmanhomer]

I know this is an old post, but I'm totally with you on that dragon love!

Thank you. :biggrin:

[xRazoZane]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/467/trogdor1.jpg

[Genichi]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/467/trogdor1.jpg

Why everyone skips the leg day and goes for the biceps day:smallbiggrin:

[Gjack]

We are dragons. All of us.

[Anonymouswizard]

We are dragons. All of us.

The real dragon was the friends we made along the way.

[Aedilred]

May I put this in my extended sig?
Sure. white text

[AscarothD]

I also prefer the dragons from D&D 3.5. The unique horns, frills and crowns, including the wings varied greatly between the colors.
My favorite was the black dragons, I really like the color and the curved forward horns.

Movies wise. The luck dragon in The Neverending Story reminded me more of the Chinese dragons.
Dragonheart Sean Connery had a nice dragon.
Liked the dragons in Reign of Fire
Hobbit Smaug was great! (more a drake, wings used for his front legs)
Plus the GoT dragons are very well done, especially the newer ones from House of the Dragon.

[Eldan]

hobbit smaug was great! (more a drake, wings used for his front legs)


graaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

[Dice Goblin]

I love all types of dragons: Western dragons, Eastern dragons, Medieval dragons, dragons from fairy tales, dragons from movies, TV shows, books, and games. I even like D&D Dragons as especially D&D 3.5 Dragon Pantheon which has inspired me to write stories about dragons. The reason why I love dragons is because they are beautiful, intelligent, and powerful creatures. Dragons are very cool in my opinion. :smile:

I do love me a D&D Dragon, although I seem to fight very little of them!!

[Beni-Kujaku]

No, no, vouivre is correct. the two are synonyms. I just find the word guivre inherently funny.

And then you have Magic the Gathering, who has dragons (https://scryfall.com/card/p30a/14/niv-mizzet-the-firemind) (some may even argue true dragons, considering the characterization), drakes (https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4274), wyverns (https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3328) (indistinguishable from drakes, called "vouivres" in french), a wyrm (https://www.play-in.com/magic/carte/46254-miirym_dragon_sentinelle) (taken from d&d), and wurms (https://www.play-in.com/magic/carte/10670-guivre_a_ecailles_fletrissantes) (called guivres in french), which are basically wyrms, in that they're limbless dragons.

Everybody loves dragons, because there are e (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/0/0e/Monster_Manual_5e_-_Dragon%2C_Gold_-_p113.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141111205752)n (https://static.blog4ever.com/2014/06/776322/big_artfichier_776322_4072858_201409051932722.jpg) o (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragons/images/b/bf/Dragon_chinois.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20130819092905&path-prefix=fr)u (https://pinfinityar.com/cdn/shop/products/magic-the-gathering-exclusive-ultrapro-massacre-wurm-ar-playmat-774999.png?v=1692171228)g (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/6f/36/156f36840406414c390a9da236a3fad5.jpg)h (https://www.pathfinder-fr.org/wiki/public/upload/Bestiaire/Wyvern.jpg) d (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rsAzaEyOOHRzRrbjDZCT87ac6lM=/0x0:2040x1360/1200x800/filters:focal(857x517:1183x843)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/72472282/jlee_230721_1001_pogo_zygarde.0.jpg)r (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Blue_dragon-glaucus_atlanticus_%288599051974%29.jpg/2560px-Blue_dragon-glaucus_atlanticus_%288599051974%29.jpg)a (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-demonic-paradise/images/f/fd/D58cce57523ab96b9bea3c250f0c06d00f05d84br1-1080-1337v2_hq.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20210422192809)g (https://i.etsystatic.com/18260733/r/il/96d4a3/1957843077/il_fullxfull.1957843077_bfb0.jpg)o (https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4022381015.1736/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg)n (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/crash-bandicoot/images/d/de/Art_Spyro_Reignited.png/revision/latest?cb=20190617191416&path-prefix=fr)s (https://www.giantbomb.com/a/uploads/scale_small/1/17172/1100818-luulohikaarme1.jpg) to find one that you love.

[Fyraltari]

And then you have Magic the Gathering, who has dragons (https://scryfall.com/card/p30a/14/niv-mizzet-the-firemind) (some may even argue true dragons, considering the characterization), drakes (https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4274), wyverns (https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3328) (indistinguishable from drakes, called "vouivres" in french), a wyrm (https://www.play-in.com/magic/carte/46254-miirym_dragon_sentinelle) (taken from d&d), and wurms (https://www.play-in.com/magic/carte/10670-guivre_a_ecailles_fletrissantes) (called guivres in french), which are basically wyrms, in that they're limbless dragons.

Everybody loves dragons, because there are e (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/0/0e/Monster_Manual_5e_-_Dragon%2C_Gold_-_p113.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141111205752)n (https://static.blog4ever.com/2014/06/776322/big_artfichier_776322_4072858_201409051932722.jpg) o (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragons/images/b/bf/Dragon_chinois.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20130819092905&path-prefix=fr)u (https://pinfinityar.com/cdn/shop/products/magic-the-gathering-exclusive-ultrapro-massacre-wurm-ar-playmat-774999.png?v=1692171228)g (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/15/6f/36/156f36840406414c390a9da236a3fad5.jpg)h (https://www.pathfinder-fr.org/wiki/public/upload/Bestiaire/Wyvern.jpg) d (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rsAzaEyOOHRzRrbjDZCT87ac6lM=/0x0:2040x1360/1200x800/filters:focal(857x517:1183x843)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/72472282/jlee_230721_1001_pogo_zygarde.0.jpg)r (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Blue_dragon-glaucus_atlanticus_%288599051974%29.jpg/2560px-Blue_dragon-glaucus_atlanticus_%288599051974%29.jpg)a (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-demonic-paradise/images/f/fd/D58cce57523ab96b9bea3c250f0c06d00f05d84br1-1080-1337v2_hq.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20210422192809)g (https://i.etsystatic.com/18260733/r/il/96d4a3/1957843077/il_fullxfull.1957843077_bfb0.jpg)o (https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4022381015.1736/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg)n (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/crash-bandicoot/images/d/de/Art_Spyro_Reignited.png/revision/latest?cb=20190617191416&path-prefix=fr)s (https://www.giantbomb.com/a/uploads/scale_small/1/17172/1100818-luulohikaarme1.jpg) to find one that you love.

Judging solely by the pictures you linked, it looks like the difference between wyrms and drakes is that wyrms have two legs and wings while drakes only have wings.

[Bartmanhomer]

I also love Dragon Pokemon. :smile:

[Buufreak]

I also love Dragon Pokemon. :smile:

How do you feel about pokemon in the dragon egg group but do not have the dragon type?

[Bartmanhomer]

How do you feel about pokemon in the dragon egg group but do not have the dragon type?

I don't have any issue with that.

[TaiLiu]

I also love Dragon Pokemon. :smile:
Dragon Pokémon are cool for sure. My favorite is probably Flygon or Latias.

I have mixed feelings about the Fairy type countering Dragon. Isn't the point of the Dragon type supposed to be powerful but hard to train Pokémon? Feels like it defeats the purpose for Fairy to be immune to Dragon-type moves.

[Bartmanhomer]

Dragon Pokémon are cool for sure. My favorite is probably Flygon or Latias.

I have mixed feelings about the Fairy type countering Dragon. Isn't the point of the Dragon type supposed to be powerful but hard to train Pokémon? Feels like it defeats the purpose for Fairy to be immune to Dragon-type moves.

Yes, Pokemon is weird like that. I agree.

[Buufreak]

Dragon Pokémon are cool for sure. My favorite is probably Flygon or Latias.

I have mixed feelings about the Fairy type countering Dragon. Isn't the point of the Dragon type supposed to be powerful but hard to train Pokémon? Feels like it defeats the purpose for Fairy to be immune to Dragon-type moves.

It was implemented literally because dragons ruled any and all meta, and hand minimal weaknesses or counters compared to other types. It was for balance.

[Bartmanhomer]

It was implemented literally because dragons ruled any and all meta, and hand minimal weaknesses or counters compared to other types. It was for balance.

That makes sense.

[TaiLiu]

It was implemented literally because dragons ruled any and all meta, and hand minimal weaknesses or counters compared to other types. It was for balance.

That makes sense.
Oh, I see. My understanding is that Dragons are meant to be unbalanced, though. On average, they have the highest base stat total. Most pseudo-legendaries are Dragon types.

But I can also understand how that would make Pokemon competitions kinda boring.

[veti]

I can't believe, three pages into this thread, nobody's even mentioned real dragons (https://www.google.com/search?q=bearded+dragon&tbm=isch&sa=X) yet.

[Bartmanhomer]

I can't believe, three pages into this thread, nobody's even mentioned real dragons (https://www.google.com/search?q=bearded+dragon&tbm=isch&sa=X) yet.

Wow! That's cute. :smile:

[ZhonLord]

I have been collecting dragon figurines since I was in middle school. At first it was just the Mega Blocks dragons, then I moved in to figurines that have actual value. I've collected most of the Book Wyrms line, the four limited edition elemental sister-dragons, a two foot tall dragon with a castle, and so much more besides. My bathrooms are the only places that don't have dragons in them (mostly because finding something that won't get ruined by shower steam over time isn't easy).

The Age of Fire dragon book series is amazing, the Dragon Prince book series is amazing, Dragonheart is still an excellent movie to this day.... I absolutely concur, dragons are simply the best.

[Solamnicknight]

I’m the same way about dragons in fantasy. I had the book Dragonology at age 10 and used to run around in the woods behind my house pretending to look for dragons. Read the Inheritance Cycle and Dragonlance because I loved dragons so much. I especially like D&D lore about dragons and one of the first 3.5 D&D books I bought was the Draconmonicon.

[Trafalgar]

https://darkroom.bbfc.co.uk/1920/8f7d4873fe52108e306b695fd29b5266:4d32e20f88bdc4250 b0cfcc4ef97f7e3/enter-the-dragon-1973.jpg


***Enter the Dragon*** (https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/enter-the-dragon)

[Bartmanhomer]

I’m the same way about dragons in fantasy. I had the book Dragonology at age 10 and used to run around in the woods behind my house pretending to look for dragons. Read the Inheritance Cycle and Dragonlance because I loved dragons so much. I especially like D&D lore about dragons and one of the first 3.5 D&D books I bought was the Draconmonicon.

I also love the Draconmonicon book as well. They should have included Sardior in the book just to make it complete but whatever. It is what is it.

For some reason, I want to write another dragon story. :smile: