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Lycaon Caesar
2023-07-05, 10:20 AM
The Brawler archetype, Constructed Pugilist, gets a prosthetic arm, which can get a grappling hook installed.
I'm a little confused about how to rule this.
Is the enemy immobilized at a distance? Is it pulled towards you, like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat?

The Constructed Pugilist feature:

Grapnel Arm: The constructed pugilist can fire a grappling hook built into her prosthesis. The grappling hook is attached to a 40-foot-long fine chain affixed to the limb. The constructed pugilist can attack with the grappling hook as a standard action, making a ranged touch attack against the target. The grappling hook can’t be used as part of a full attack. On a successful hit, the grappling hook deals no damage, but it functions as though it had the grapple weapon special feature, except it requires only a hit (not a critical hit) and the grapple ends if the constructed pugilist moves more than 40 feet away from the grappled creature. The constructed limb can’t be used to make melee attacks until the grappling hook has been reloaded (a standard action).

Grapple weapon special feature:

Grapple: On a successful critical hit with a weapon of this type, you can grapple the target of the attack. The wielder can then attempt a combat maneuver check to grapple his opponent as a free action. This grapple attempt does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the creature you are attempting to grapple if that creature is not threatening you. While you grapple the target with a grappling weapon, you can only move or damage the creature on your turn. You are still considered grappled, though you do not have to be adjacent to the creature to continue the grapple. If you move far enough away to be out of the weapon’s reach, you end the grapple with that action.

And then of course all the Grappling rules.

How would you rule this?

KillianHawkeye
2023-07-05, 10:54 AM
He doesn't move. You have to stay within 40 feet of him. It's spelled out pretty clearly IMO.

Rynjin
2023-07-05, 12:00 PM
Ranged grapples have the opponent stay in place, melee grapples with Reach (like Giant Squid) are the ones who can "Get over here!" people.

Lycaon Caesar
2023-07-05, 04:24 PM
He doesn't move. You have to stay within 40 feet of him. It's spelled out pretty clearly IMO.

Can you stay 40 feet away from the enemy and keep rolling to maintain grapple and damage every round? Or in the same round with Greater Grappling?

Grapple some enemy without a ranged attack and basically lock it down and kill it?

KillianHawkeye
2023-07-05, 05:32 PM
Can you stay 40 feet away from the enemy and keep rolling to maintain grapple and damage every round? Or in the same round with Greater Grappling?

Yes, you can keep damaging them and you can stay up to 40 feet away.


Grapple some enemy without a ranged attack and basically lock it down and kill it?

Yes, unless they escape. Being grappled is a pretty severe condition for creatures who aren't good at escaping such things. Especially if the creature doesn't have friends nearby.

Lycaon Caesar
2023-07-06, 03:27 AM
Yes, you can keep damaging them and you can stay up to 40 feet away.

Yes, unless they escape. Being grappled is a pretty severe condition for creatures who aren't good at escaping such things. Especially if the creature doesn't have friends nearby.

Well, hot diggity. Thanks. I'm gonna try out this build, it seems potentially cruel and unusual.