Manga Shoggoth's pre holiday Random Banter Thread #246

[Manga Shoggoth]

Since we hit Page 51 on the old thread I thought I'd generate a new one before I disappeared to the Isle of Wight...



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Amotis' Random Banter #1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13484)
Dhavaer's Random Banter #2 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13401)
PhoeKun's Random Banter #3 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13319)
Rei Jin's Random Banter #4 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13205)
Toxic Avenger's Random Banter #5 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13146)
Jibar's Random Banter #6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026)
Ego Slayer's Surrogate Random Banter #7 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12939)
Sneak's Random Barroom Brawl #8 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12918)
Sophistemon's Solemnly Random Banter #9 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12855)
Vaynor's Very Random Banter #10 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12834)
Bookman's Blathering Random Banter #11 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12809)
Gralamin's Glorious Random Banter #12 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12785)
Rilik's Resplendently Random Raillery #13 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12766)
Gezina's Growling Grazing Random Banter #14 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12747)
The Zerglings Utterly And Geeky Random Banter #15 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740)
jaqueses Truthfully Randomly Fireside Banter # 16 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12735)
Jack Squat’s Jubilantly Quixotic Random Banter #17 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12693)
Cardel's Banter of Cookie Jubilation #18 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12668)
Archonic's Chaotically Random Banter of Rods #19 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12657)
The Rod's Inanimate Temple of RANDOM banter #20 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12638)
Lucky’s Loquaciously Loud-Mouthed Random Banter#21 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12630)
Deckmaster's Divinely Delightful Random Banter #22 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12614)
Saithis' Soliloquy of Random Banter #23 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12598)
Loveable Lianae's Ludicrous Lampooning Lottery #24 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12578)
NEO|Phyte's Neolithic Nest of Weasel Banter #25 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12544)
Target's Random Banter of "non-violence" #26 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12533)
Tarnag40k's Random banter of "grammar errors" #27 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12515)
Kyrian's Random Banter of ADHDness #28 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12507)
El Jaspero's Random Drunken Ramblings #29 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12503)
Boss Smiley's Eloquently Eggy Banter #30 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12494)
Lykan's Looney Explosionarama & Random Banter #31 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12482)
Iames's Iambic Yarn of Yammering #32 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12468)
Dispozition's Deviously Distressed Banter #33 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12458)
CP's Copiously Combusting Banter of Carnage #34 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12445)
Alarra's Altar of Random Banter #35 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12432)
Eloquent Rune's Electrifying Rambling Banter #36 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12423)
E_P's Very Own Quite Popular Random Banter #37 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12419)
Hydrogelic's Foolish Mortal Random Banter #38 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12413)
Ink's Smudgy Splotchy Random Banter #39 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12405)
Azrael's Big Black Book of Banter #40 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12397)
The Logic Vampire's Rational Random Banter #41 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12387)
Shiny's Shimmering Space-hitchin Random Banter #42 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12376)
ZombieRockStar's Random Banter #43 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12360)
Nostrabel's Realm of Cookies and Random Banter #44 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12342)
Charity's Cheery Chatter Circle #45 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12328)
Samiam's Spontaneous Scintillating Soliloquy #46 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12310)
LLama's Masked Mysterious Random Banter #47 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26599)
Ravishing Rydia's Recumbentibus ^_^ Random Banter #48 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27622)
Penguinizers Perilous Random Banter #49 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28083)
Death's delightfully morbid surrogate random banter #50 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28444)
Wayril's wonderfully weird surrogate random banter #51 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28990)
Rawhide's Deck of Random Banter (52 Cards) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29697)
Korith's Sorrogate Random Banter of Zombie Killing #53 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30353)
Surrogate thread of random Bor-dom #54 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31109)
Rex Idiotarum's Painfully Pogoing Thread #55 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31512)
The Wrath of KHAAAAAANtalas’s William Shatner Flavored Random Banter # 56 (Surrogate) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32080)
EmeraldRose's Random Banter of Lashing Wit #57 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32494)
Captain van der Decken's Surrogate Ship of Random Loot (Banter) #58 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32847)
SDF's Neverending I-Don't-Have-an-OotS-Avatar-Yet Story Banter #59 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33465)
Mauril's Surrogate Dwelf Banter of Fantasy Race Confusion 60th Edition (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34165)
Rockphed's Dice Rolling Toga Party of 61 Drunken CIA Analysts (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34568)
var Lord_Magtok = Random(Banter*62) + Surrogate (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34801)
Jibar's Retro Random Banter #63 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35014)
Malina's Random Spanish Banter #64 of morphical annoyance (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35256)
Mr. E's Random Banter #65 of Cane Toting and Hat Tipping (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35418)
Ego Slayer's Hellishly Random Banter #66.6 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35596)
Purple Gelatinous Cube o' Doom's bowl of bantery j-e-ll-o randomness #67 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35859)
Zephra's Random Banter of Ghostly Wailings, and Howling Fun#68 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36317)
Cobra Ikari's Random Banter #69 of Rampant Hugging, Guttermindedness, and ;-) Kinky. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36977)
Scorpina's Random Banter #70 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37480)
Raistlin1040's Super Special Awesome Random Banter #71(Now with 20% more tacos) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37824)
Uberblah's Random Banter #72 Of Caffeine And Sleep Deprivation Induced Randomness (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38225)
Lucky’s Random Banter #73 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38987)
Castaras's Random Banter #74 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37836)
D'anna Biers RB #75 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39495)
Zeb The Troll's RB#76 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39801)
Eldpollard's RB #77 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40128)
Gezina's and Calamity's Random banter #78 of double entendre and doom (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40410)
Random Banter #79 In Loving Memory of Hexa_Regina (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40909)
Zeratul's random banter #80 of throwing puppies off bridges (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41778)
Vespe's Random Banter #81 of singing dolphins and mostly harmless planets. (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43254)
CSK's Giant in the Playground Forums Addicted Anonymous, Random Banter #82 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44919)
Iames's Ramblingly Erratic Belldandy-Charged Random Banter #83 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47592)
Serpentine's Scintillating Sensually and Sinuously Seductive Stochastic Satire #84 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49048)
Radikalskippy's Random Banter #85 of lost ideas and where to find them... (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50658)
Moon Called's Random Banter #86 of Sexy Anime Boys and Fangirl Squeals (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51825)
Lilly's Lovely Random Banter #87 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52783)
FdL's Fuzzbox-Fueled Random Banter #88 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54612)
SweetRein's Sugary Restrained Random Banter #89 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59668)
Midnight's Mutant Motorcycle Madness Random Banter #90 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62430)
Em's Extremely Extraordinarily Epic Random Banter #91 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65645)
Dragonrider's Random Banter in Conjunction with the Weighted Cube #92 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67629)
Bushranger's Bodaciously Buffed Random Banter-y Rooster #93 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69425)
Haruki's Historically Hilarious Honey-covered Random Banter #94 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71161)
North's Maple Syrup Flavored Non-Alliterative Random Banter #95 Eh? (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73464)
Wadledo's Weirdly Warbling Watercress Watching Washing Machine Only Random Banter #96 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75946)
SMEE's Random Banter #97 of gender bending and closet bursting (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78694)
Raiser's Rambunctiously Rambling Random Banter #98 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81626)
Dr. Bath's Random Banter, dripping with daring deeds of dastardly deipnosophists #99 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84068)
VOTE, the Democracy Demon's Devilishly Devious and Decidedly Diabolical Desultory Derision (Random Banter) #100 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84914)
Jack Squat's Justlessly Juxtaposed Random Banter #101 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87577)
Dallas-Dakota's Dundering Dandelion's Devilish Damsel's Distress Random Banter #102 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4790602#post4790602)
Destro Yersul's Dangerously Distracting and Doubtlessly Disturbing Random Banter #103 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903962#post4903962)
Aziraphales Actually Alliterative and Awesomely Affluent Random Banter #104 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92718)
Cristo's Consistently Confusing and Constantly Casual Random Banter #105 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94491)
Dish's Delightfully Deranged and Deliciously Deliquent Random Banter # 106 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95905)
Slayer's Seemingly Sweet and Socially Silly Random Banter # 107 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97703)
Zero's ambrosial and aberrantly adventitious, abstemiously erudite Random Banter #108 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99100)
Coplantor's Completely Creative Cautious and Contemplative Random Banter #109 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100414)
Rutskarn's Roly-Poly Rebellious and Rejected Random Banter #110 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101156)
TwoBitWriter's Tubular Tracts of Thought-Talking Random Banter #111 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5600540#post5600540)
Phase's Phully Phormed, Phalangeal, and Phantasmagorical Random Banter #112 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101988)
Wolfbane's Wonderfully Wacky and Wildly Wandom Random Banter #113 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102865)
The Kiwi's Kinkily Knotted and Kookily Kickass Random Banter #114 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103674)
Jude's Judgmental Jugular Jab and Jibber Jabbery Random Banter #115 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104480)
The Throne of Thufir's Thoroughly Theoretical and Therapeutic Random Banter #116 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105584)
Random Banter #117 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106698)
Dragonprime's Dynamically Dangerous Dextrous and Destructive Random Banter #118 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107882)
Farmer Felix's Fantastic FRandom FBanter #119 (may contain traces of fnuts) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109007)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part one) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110963&page=50)
Groundhog's Random Banter of Weather Prediction and Anti-Gopherness (part two) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113197)
Mrmud's Mixed-Up and Minimally Mechanized Random Banter #121 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114623)
Dogmantra's Dastardly, Despotic and Dangerous Random Banter #122 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116660)
Alteran's Amazingly Anachronistic, Altruistic, and Antagonistic Random Banter #123 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118380)
Admiral Euphoria's Random Banter Thread of Delusional Grandeur #124 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6614894)
Fred's Flying Fishy, Fighting, Fiery, Fantastic Face Off Random Banter #125 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121385)
Cyrano’s Non-Alliterative Inaugurational Random Banter #126 To Usher In The Future (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122977)
Thanatos's Tharmturges Present: Tropical, Tipsy, and Typically Random Banter #127
(https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123816)loopy's Legendary and Long-Awaited Lollipop Fuelled Random Banter #128 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124786)
Shadow's Shady Shop of Sharks, Shingles, Shammies, Shiny and Random Banter #129 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125667)
KataraAltinaII's Premature Not So Short & To-The-Point Random Banter #130 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126557)
Supagoof's Supa-Sensational Silly Symphonies Set Sizzingly On Fire Random Banter #131 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128570)
Pyrian's Pyrotechnic Pyre of Pyrrhic Pyros with Pyrotic Pythics Random Banter #132! (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130459)
Perenelle's Pleasantly Playful and Passionately Peculiar Random Banter #133 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131814)
Rpgsr4me's Ravenous, Roaring, Raging Rampage of Random Banter #134 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7373844#post7373844)
Il'deav Ilah'naie's Indiscreet Intimacies on Indigo Iceboats Random Banter #135 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134438)
Recaiden's Resplendent and Rotating Realistic Random Banter #136 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136879)
Jibar's Random Banter #137: Return of the Cat-muffin (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138879)
Edge's Effluence of Extravagant and Effulgent Random Banter #138 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7876065)
Zeb The Troll's Zecond Go At Ze Random Banter #139 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8061505&postcount=1)
Curly's Rambunctious and Erudite Random Banter #140 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148462)
Deth Muncher's Destructive and Meandering Random Banter #141 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150904)
A Thread in Which Banter Most Random is Expulsed Into Existence, By Ravens_cry #142 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8722755)
Several Silly Sealions Stuffed Seaweed Southward Swiftly (Or, Random Banter #143) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159998)
The thread that changed name one last time, with style. (Random Banter #144) (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161407)
Banjo’s Bodacious & Boosted Bumper Bulletproof Box of Banter Most Random #145 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162819)
Masa's Massively Masterful Message Medium - Random Banter #146 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164224)
KuReshtin's Vociferously Ruminating Harbinger of Random Banter - #147 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166664)
Archonic's Archaic Acronymical Antidisestablishmentarianism Random Banter - #148 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169890)
Skeppio's Splendidly Strange & Superbly Scintillating Random Banter - #149 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173056)
Teddy's Turbulent and Topicless Random Banter #150 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175338)
Fifty-Eyed Fred's Ferociously Fanatical and Fabulously Fascinating Random Banter #151 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178205)
Rae's Really Rascally and Ridiculously Rowdy Random Banter #152 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181296)
Haruki's Hot n' Holy Random Banter #153 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10176275#post10176275)
MoonCat's Magnificently Mythopoeic Random Banter #154 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187576)
Eadin's Exchange of Extraterrestrial Excuses AKA Random Banter #155 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190034)
Happy HalfTangible's Horrific Hail of Random Banter #156 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10629167#post10629167)
AtlanteanTroll's Atrocious and Terrific Arcade of Terror - RB #157 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196302)
LaLa’s Laughably Silly Random Banter Thread – RB #158 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198767)
Zaydos's Zany Zooetic Random Banter - RB #159 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200208)
Blue's Blessed and Blissful Random Banter - RB #160 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201653)
Absolmorph's Azoic Arete of Adventitious and Aimless Random Banter - RB 161 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202546)
Gwyn's Gloriously Green Garrumphing Garter of Garrulous Gabble! Random Banter #162 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203954)
Eruantion's Euphoric, Elephant-filled Elevated Epoch of Eurhythmic Random Banter #163 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205487)
ATW's Awesome Androgynous Avaricious Azure Ardent Adamant Alluvial Random Banter #164 (https://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207269)
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[Anonymouswizard]

Ah, that new thread smell.


Everyone makes a big deal about fey touching cold iron, but it's not like, an allergy. It's a magical weakness. They won't go into anaphylactic shock if they touch iron, it needs to like, get in their blood.

... Lady of the Lake better make sure she masks up tight while forging, then. Also one could argue she's not fey, she's just some sort of bog witch and or mermaid.

Many depictions show fair folk unable to touch or potentially go near it. It seems more likely that they'd work other metals, possibly special metals mortals have no knowledge of. It's a little known fact that Excalibur is made of an aluminium alloy (although the scabbard was iron, it's why Merlin had it).

[BisectedBrioche]

To be fair, do any of the legends say that she made it? They could have just been the distributor.

[Rater202]

Why are we assuming that an allegedly magical sword that never chips or blunts is made of common steal?

[Razade]

To be fair, do any of the legends say that she made it? They could have just been the distributor.

The legends say it was forged in dragon fire and was created by an elf of Avalon. There are two Excaliburs though, in the tales. One that Merlin put in the stone and the other the Lady held.

[Batcathat]

The legends say it was forged in dragon fire and was created by an elf of Avalon. There are two Excaliburs though, in the tales. One that Merlin put in the stone and the other the Lady held.

I thought the sword in the stone originally wasn’t (a) Excalibur, even if they often are merged in pop culture?

[Rater202]

I thought the sword in the stone originally wasn’t (a) Excalibur, even if they often are merged in pop culture?

It depends on the telling.

sometimes Arthur pulls a sword from the stone and that makes him King. Sometimes he's gifted the sword by the Lady of the Lake. Other times he draws a sword form a stone but then it's lost, broken, or stolen and he receives Excalibur from the Lady as a replacement.

In versions of the story where both swords exist, the sword from the stone tends to be called Caliburn, but Caliburn and Excalibur are likely both derived from the Welsh Caledvwlch, itself likely derived from the Irish Caladbolg.

[DavidSh]

I thought the sword in the stone originally wasn’t (a) Excalibur, even if they often are merged in pop culture?
Malory used the same name for both the sword from the stone and the sword from the lake. You might argue that this was an error, and he didn't intend to do so. My belief is that Arthur's sword being Excalibur pre-dated any ideas explaining how he got it, so that when two different origin stories arose, it wasn't clear which should be the true Excalibur.

Geoffrey of Monmouth The History of the Kings of Britain writes of "his peerless sword, called Caliburn, which was forged in the Isle of Avalon", and doesn't mention the stone at all. According to him, Arthur is already known as the son of Uther and Ygerna.

[Peelee]

Ah, dang, the qualifier is beautiful maidens. So close. :smallamused:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder dragon.:smallwink:

Why are we assuming that an allegedly magical sword that never chips or blunts is made of common steal?
Because the magic doesn't stem from the metal, at a guess.

The legends say it was forged in dragon fire and was created by an elf of Avalon. There are two Excaliburs though, in the tales. One that Merlin put in the stone and the other the Lady held.
Being forged in dragon fire is tight.

Oh, so suddenly we're not okay with fairies in lakes handing out swords as the arbitrators of social class? Some people have respect for tradition...

It depends on the telling.

sometimes Arthur pulls a sword from the stone and that makes him King. Sometimes he's gifted the sword by the Lady of the Lake. Other times he draws a sword form a stone but then it's lost, broken, or stolen and he receives Excalibur from the Lady as a replacement.

In versions of the story where both swords exist, the sword from the stone tends to be called Caliburn, but Caliburn and Excalibur are likely both derived from the Welsh Caledvwlch, itself likely derived from the Irish Caladbolg.
And, notably, the sword given by the Lady in the Lake never confers (or even prophesied) kingship. GET UP TO SNUFF ON YOUR ARTHURIAN LEGENDS, MONTY PYTHON, THAT WAS A HISTORCIALLY INACCURATE JOKE!

I'm going on holiday to the glorious Isle of Wight! In lieu of rock
Happy holiday! Speaking of, one of my favorite subtle jokes from This Is Spinal Tap is that they did a show once on the Isle of Lucy.

[Anonymouswizard]

Why are we assuming that an allegedly magical sword that never chips or blunts is made of common steal?

Because clearly a lot of people would be trying to nick such a sword.


Malory used the same name for both the sword from the stone and the sword from the lake. You might argue that this was an error, and he didn't intend to do so. My belief is that Arthur's sword being Excalibur pre-dated any ideas explaining how he got it, so that when two different origin stories arose, it wasn't clear which should be the true Excalibur.

IIRC you're correct, and originally his entire set of arms was named. Then again Lancelot is considered canon despite being a French addition, so we shouldn't be too picky.


And, notably, the sword given by the Lady in the Lake never confers (or even prophesied) kingship. GET UP TO SNUFF ON YOUR ARTHURIAN LEGENDS, MONTY PYTHON, THAT WAS A HISTORCIALLY INACCURATE JOKE!

I believe, like with Life of Brian, one of them was a scholar of the relevant texts and they got it wrong because it's a funnier joke.

[Peelee]

Because clearly a lot of people would be trying to nick such a sword.
But it can't be nicked!

I believe, like with Life of Brian, one of them was a scholar of the relevant texts and they got it wrong because it's a funnier joke.
Ok, that would be pretty funny.

[Anonymouswizard]

But it can't be nicked!

Absconded with then, thou incessant knave! Steal is almost as bad as nickel for people just walking off with it.

[Bartmanhomer]

Yesterday I drink 3 cups of dark roast hot coffee. :smile:

[Anonymouswizard]

Yesterday I drink 3 cups of dark roast hot coffee. :smile:

Congratulations! Who's the lucky girl?

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Oh, as opposed to iced coffee. Right, now I get you. Sounds nice, although personally I tend to refer more of a medium roast. I find if I go too dark I can't have my coffee black.

[LaZodiac]

Ah, that new thread smell.

Many depictions show fair folk unable to touch or potentially go near it. It seems more likely that they'd work other metals, possibly special metals mortals have no knowledge of. It's a little known fact that Excalibur is made of an aluminium alloy (although the scabbard was iron, it's why Merlin had it).

Fair point, that.


To be fair, do any of the legends say that she made it? They could have just been the distributor.

I don't believe any say the Lady of the Lake made it, but it's a very fun mental image.


Why are we assuming that an allegedly magical sword that never chips or blunts is made of common steal?

This, yeah. It's definitely made of like, magic metal.


It depends on the telling.

sometimes Arthur pulls a sword from the stone and that makes him King. Sometimes he's gifted the sword by the Lady of the Lake. Other times he draws a sword form a stone but then it's lost, broken, or stolen and he receives Excalibur from the Lady as a replacement.

In versions of the story where both swords exist, the sword from the stone tends to be called Caliburn, but Caliburn and Excalibur are likely both derived from the Welsh Caledvwlch, itself likely derived from the Irish Caladbolg.

And despite all this, it's the sheath that holds most of the power!

[Rater202]

And despite all this, it's the sheath that holds most of the power!

Umhmm. Adaptions tend to make it a powerful Holy Sword or give it special powers and such but to my knowledge its main advantage is just that it's indestructible.

Which sounds good on paper but in practice, its utility is still dependent on your skill with a sword and your raw physical strength: Just becuase it won't break if you try to smash through a hunk of granite with it that doesn't mean that you actually can smash through a hunk of granite with it.

The sheath meanwhile is depicted as making you magically invincible and having the power t heal fatal injuries and other **** like that. That's the thing that guarantees you'll win and tellingly it's the fact that the sheath is stolen and then lost that foreshadows Arthur's downfall.

[Anonymouswizard]

And despite all this, it's the sheath that holds most of the power!

Something something feminism!


Umhmm. Adaptions tend to make it a powerful Holy Sword or give it special powers and such but to my knowledge its main advantage is just that it's indestructible.

Actually IIRC it's main displayed power is increasing the wielder's luck in combat, which is why Arthur dies in a mutual kill (Excaliburn becomes unstuck at just the right moment to strike the enemy who's about to kill him). It might also never dull but that's a less important quality.


The sheath meanwhile is depicted as making you magically invincible and having the power t heal fatal injuries and other **** like that. That's the thing that guarantees you'll win and tellingly it's the fact that the sheath is stolen and then lost that foreshadows Arthur's downfall.

Okay, this one I do know, it stops you from bleeding. That's it, but it's still ridiculously useful, if Arthur had had the scabbard he'd have survived long enough to get medical attention (although he'd likely would have had to deal with an infection). It's amazing, but he still ruled for like three decades without it.

It giving regeneration or the like is, I believe, actually a Fate/Stay Night thing.

[Rater202]

I've seen the sheath having healing powers in at least one other place.

[Anonymouswizard]

I've seen the sheath having healing powers in at least one other place.

Pre- or post- Fate?

[Rater202]

Pre- or post- Fate?

It was a definetly before Fate was widely known in the West outside of bootleg fan translations but I don't know if it predates it entirely.

[Batcathat]

According to Wikipedia (so take that as you will, in regards to reliability): "In the Post-Vulgate version, used in Malory's Le Morte d'Arthur for the second Excalibur, the sword's scabbard is also said to have powers of its own, as any wounds received while wearing it would not bleed at all, thus preventing the wearer from ever bleeding to death in battle." Not quite healing or invincibility, but in the same area, at least.

[Jasdoif]

Why are we assuming that an allegedly magical sword that never chips or blunts is made of common steal?I didn't feel like questioning LaZodiac on this one...though now I'm getting mixed signals. Also feytouched, lacking damage reduction, don't have especially adverse reactions to cold iron; there's an advantage to a misconception. Excalipoor is more likely to be a "steal", anyway.

[DataNinja]

I'll take you to meet some English lords sometime, you'll see that good judgement isn't really part of the job requirements :smallwink:
...y'know what, I'll take your word for it. Though, I suppose if I wanted to abruptly cross the ocean on a whim with no planning, at least I'd apparently be in good company of judgement. :smalltongue:


Also I'm sure we can round up some lesbians and settle this 'is DataNinja beautiful' thing once and for all!
You say this, Mx. Wizard, as though I don't already know several. :smallamused:

[Anonymouswizard]

You say this, Mx. Wizard, as though I don't already know several. :smallamused:

Ah, but are they a representative sample of lesbianism? :smallwink:

[HalfTangible]

Ah that new thread smell...

Perfect ambience for waiting for truck inspections to finish.

[DataNinja]

Ah, but are they a representative sample of lesbianism? :smallwink:
Of course! I assure you they are the most representative sample.
Unrelatedly, I also failed statistics.

[Anonymouswizard]

Of course! I assure you they are the most representative sample.
Unrelatedly, I also failed statistics.

After my last statistics class I managed to deduce that cats cause lesbians. I'm really not sure why they cut off the top half of my B grade though...

[Fyraltari]

Yesterday I drink 3 cups of dark roast hot coffee. :smile:


Congratulations! Who's the lucky girl?

What? How did you get that from this?

[LaZodiac]

What? How did you get that from this?

It's a "hot coffee" joke. Anon Wizard's only ever cracks wise with the vintage material.

[Bartmanhomer]

Congratulations! Who's the lucky girl?

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Oh, as opposed to iced coffee. Right, now I get you. Sounds nice, although personally I tend to refer more of a medium roast. I find if I go too dark I can't have my coffee black.

Hlal the Laughing Dragon Deity. :amused:

[Fyraltari]

It's a "hot coffee" joke. Anon Wizard's only ever cracks wise with the vintage material.

There's something I'm not getting. Is this slang?

[Batcathat]

There's something I'm not getting. Is this slang?

I think it might be a reference to the old "Hot Coffee" controversy with GTA San Andreas (I don't remember the details, I think it was like hidden minigame where the player character could have sex or something along those lines?).

[LaZodiac]

There's something I'm not getting. Is this slang?


I think it might be a reference to the old "Hot Coffee" controversy with GTA San Andreas (I don't remember the details, I think it was like hidden minigame where the player character could have sex or something along those lines?).

Basically this, yeah. The idea is that if a lady asks you over for some "hot coffee" she's inviting you over to spend the night, since generally you'd have coffee in the morning after the ole shake-n-bake.

It's very silly and, as I said, extremely vintage.

[TaiLiu]

I want to reach their level so bad!!!
I hope you do! :smallcool:

Nate's creative rise is really unusual, though. Like, he got a book deal after his webcomic became famous, and then at some point he became the lead writer in a popular TV series. There's obviously skill and hard work, but there's also an important element of luck.

Someone like Andy Weir may be slightly more typical—they started doing creative work in 2001, gained some level of fame in 2009, and then became Wikipedia-level famous only in 2015. That's a decade and a half of work! And there are other writers who never gain the same level of renown.


A physicist, a biologist, and a mathematician are sitting across the street from a restaurant...

Same joke, same punchline.
Oh, the joke with the number of people makes sense. I was really confused about the weight one.

[LaZodiac]

I hope you do! :smallcool:

Nate's creative rise is really unusual, though. Like, he got a book deal after his webcomic became famous, and then at some point he became the lead writer in a popular TV series. There's obviously skill and hard work, but there's also an important element of luck.

Someone like Andy Weir may be slightly more typical—they started doing creative work in 2001, gained some level of fame in 2009, and then became Wikipedia-level famous only in 2015. That's a decade and a half of work! And there are other writers who never gain the same level of renown.


I'm gonna do my best. I know it's a factor of luck as well as skill and dedication, but I still need to work on those back two for the luck to matter. Thank you for wishing me luck!

It's difficult, sometimes, though. Don't feel like I'm good enough.

[Anonymouswizard]

What? How did you get that from this?

Partially I'm not used to specifying that coffee is hot (unless getting it froma replicator), it's the assumed default for the drink. Mostly I'm making a bad joke because sex is like the third funniest thing in the world (after Milton Keynes and a lack of sex).


Basically this, yeah. The idea is that if a lady asks you over for some "hot coffee" she's inviting you over to spend the night, since generally you'd have coffee in the morning after the ole shake-n-bake.

It's very silly and, as I said, extremely vintage.

I'm basically a hipster with even worse fashion sense (although in the last year I've moved to jeans and polo shirts, and if I HRT I'll probably get some low cut blouses). I get into a lot of stuff long after it's cool, have no desire to run with the crowd, and have a disturbing tendency to fall into elitism (I dislike coffee bags on principle). My sense of humour is probably legitimately decades behind, I don't get what 'comedy film' means these days but find It Ain't Half Hot Mum hilarious despite the many offensive elements.

Nothing wrong with vintage stuff anyway, have you seen those dresses?

ETA: if you don't feel good enough than congratulations, you're already better than most people.

I should convince my friend to make more music. She's pretty good*, if she kept at it she could possibly get some airtime in a decade.

* She's written dubstep that I like!

[Bartmanhomer]

I get the joke. My social cues were right on point.

[TaiLiu]

I'm gonna do my best. I know it's a factor of luck as well as skill and dedication, but I still need to work on those back two for the luck to matter. Thank you for wishing me luck!

It's difficult, sometimes, though. Don't feel like I'm good enough.
It's hard for sure. Especially for creative work, where feedback can be infrequent and misleading and the whole edifice is unfairly winner-takes-all.

For what it's worth: I have some confidence that you are, in fact, good enough. You have good reviews on Amazon and from some people on these forums. :smallsmile:


I get the joke. My social cues were right on point.
Wait, what's the joke?

[Bartmanhomer]

Wait, what's the joke?

I said I drink 3 cups of dark roast and got coffee and Anon ask me who's the lucky girl? That was the joke.

[Peelee]

sex is like the third funniest thing in the world
Dang, you really need better sex.

I said I drink 3 cups of dark roast and got coffee and Anon ask me who's the lucky girl? That was the joke.

You didn't explain anything. You just restated what was already said. That doesn't help people get the joke.

[TaiLiu]

I said I drink 3 cups of dark roast and got coffee and Anon ask me who's the lucky girl? That was the joke.
Ohhh I see! Drinking is a metaphor for sex, and you had sex three times.

[Bartmanhomer]

Dang, you really need better sex.


You didn't explain anything. You just restated what was already said. That doesn't help people get the joke.

Ok how about this: I said I got three cups of hot coffee and Anon said who's the lucky girl. The lucky girl means that I'm going to date and make out with the girl who serves me coffee which is a joke. Is that a better explanation?

[TaiLiu]

Ok how about this: I said I got three cups of hot coffee and Anon said who's the lucky girl. The lucky girl means that I'm going to date and make out with the girl who serves me coffee which is a joke. Is that a better explanation?
Okay, so there's no metaphor. The joke is that you got lots of coffee cuz the barista likes you and gave you extra coffee. And she's lucky cuz you're reciprocated her interest. Is that right?

[Bartmanhomer]

Okay, so there's no metaphor. The joke is that you got lots of coffee cuz the barista likes you and gave you extra coffee. And she's lucky cuz you're reciprocated her interest. Is that right?

Yes. :smile:

[TaiLiu]

Yes. :smile:
Cool! Got it, thanks. :smallsmile:

[Bartmanhomer]

Cool! Got it, thanks. :smallsmile:

You're welcome.

So anyway, this year is going by very quickly as usual.

[TaiLiu]

You're welcome.

So anyway, this year is going by very quickly as usual.
Yeah, it's halfway over and we're past the summer solstice.

[Bartmanhomer]

Yeah, it's halfway over and we're past the summer solstice.

Anyway, I did drink 3 cups of Dark Roast hot coffee and I feel energetic for real.

[Anonymouswizard]

Dang, you really need better sex.

No, I assure you, Milton Keynes is just that funny :smalltongue:

[TaiLiu]

Anyway, I did drink 3 cups of Dark Roast hot coffee and I feel energetic for real.
Isn't it nighttime for you? I am a lil concerned that you can still feel the effects. Are you stargazing or something? The stars are very cool. Unless they're close, like the Sun. Then they're hot.

[Bartmanhomer]

Isn't it nighttime for you? I am a lil concerned that you can still feel the effects. Are you stargazing or something? The stars are very cool. Unless they're close, like the Sun. Then they're hot.

Yes, but it happen two days ago.

[TaiLiu]

Yes, but it happen two days ago.
Oh, I see. I thought you meant you felt energetic now.

[Bartmanhomer]

Oh, I see. I thought you meant you felt energetic now.

Well, not anymore. I feel very calm and relaxed right now.

[Anonymouswizard]

Well I currently have no hot coffee and Gilbert and Sullivan stuck in my head.

Although I think the latter might be a good thing?

[Rater202]

If I was a rich man I would pay to have the "2008 Christmas special" comic from XKCD made into an actual movie.

[Bartmanhomer]

Well I currently have no hot coffee and Gilbert and Sullivan stuck in my head.

Although I think the latter might be a good thing.

The latter is a good thing.

So anyway. I'm relaxing at home today. :smile:

[Anonymouswizard]

If I was a rich man I would pay to have the "2008 Christmas special" comic from XKCD made into an actual movie.

I presume you'll only have the budget to produce the prime numbered minutes?


..........well if Gilbert and Sullivan is a good thing...

If some day it should happen
That a victim must be found
I've got a little list
I've got a little list...

I was going to come up with some rhymes, but it's quarter to midnight and I'm tired.

[Peelee]

I presume you'll only have the budget to produce the prime numbered minutes?


..........well if Gilbert and Sullivan is a good thing...

If some day it should happen
That a victim must be found
I've got a little list
I've got a little list...

I was going to come up with some rhymes, but it's quarter to midnight and I'm tired.

It's a quarter to midnight, you're feeling too tired
Didn't have foresight to rhyme, now you're mired
By groggy brain, your wit feels drained
Tomorrow by twilight, my post you've admired!

[Anonymouswizard]

It's a quarter to midnight, you're feeling too tired
Didn't have foresight to rhyme, now you're mired
By groggy brain, your wit feels drained
Tomorrow by twilight, my post you've admired!

Unfortunately it doesn't scan :smalltongue: I'll come up with a version of If Someday It Should Happen tomorrow.

[Peelee]

Unfortunately it doesn't scan :smalltongue: I'll come up with a version of If Someday It Should Happen tomorrow.

You sure it should happen by tomorrow?

[Rater202]

Today I realized that I have stretch marks on my knees.

I'm not sure how knee skin gets stretched like that.

[LaZodiac]

Today I realized that I have stretch marks on my knees.

I'm not sure how knee skin gets stretched like that.

Knees are the part of your body that does the most stretching so this is not that weird at all, honestly.

[Keltest]

Today I realized that I have stretch marks on my knees.

I'm not sure how knee skin gets stretched like that.

Maybe they're regular scars. I've got some from all my scraped knees as a kid.

[Anonymouswizard]

You sure it should happen by tomorrow?

There's the funny moderator who is always on my case
And the internet elitist, I've got him on the list
And that bloody thread necromancer that leads us on a chase
They never would be missed, they never would be missed
Then the poster who praises with enthusiastic tone
All the forums bar this, and every topic but his own
And the drop dead gorgeous lesbian, who has become quite shy,
And doesn't do much dating, but would rather like to try
And that similar anomaly, the successful novelist
I don't think she'd be missed, of course she'd not be missed!

[LaZodiac]

There's the funny moderator who is always on my case
And the internet elitist, I've got him on the list
And that bloody thread necromancer that leads us on a chase
They never would be missed, they never would be missed
Then the poster who praises with enthusiastic tone
All the forums bar this, and every topic but his own
And the drop dead gorgeous lesbian, who has become quite shy,
And doesn't do much dating, but would rather like to try
And that similar anomaly, the successful novelist
I don't think she'd be missed, of course she'd not be missed!

I had no idea what this song was when I saw this, so early morning brain was a little Concerned- though I do appreciate being called a successful novelist, haha!

Also this reminds me of how Reboot season 3 ended with a Modern Major General remix.

[Rater202]

So we learned how to fill out tax forms by hand in my high school economics class.

I'm pretty sure the teacher taught us wrong though. Had us calculate our income tax as if all of our income was taxed under the highest bracket and when I pointed out that this meant that someone who made more could come home with less she just shrugged.

It... doesn't work like that.

[Peelee]

So we learned how to fill out tax forms by hand in my high school economics class.

I'm pretty sure the teacher taught us wrong though. Had us calculate our income tax as if all of our income was taxed under the highest bracket and when I pointed out that this meant that someone who made more could come home with less she just shrugged.

It... doesn't work like that.

Aren't you young enough that the IRS had it's free online filing system fully implemented by the time you were in high school? Doing it by hand seems useless.

[Keltest]

Aren't you young enough that the IRS had it's free online filing system fully implemented by the time you were in high school? Doing it by hand seems useless.

My generation at least was caught in the awkward gap between when the technology to do things easily and quickly was becoming readily available, and when teachers and such actually realized that stuff existed. Raise your hand if you were taught "you wont always have a calculator in your pocket" in high school, despite the fact that you did indeed have a calculator in your pocket all the freaking time.

Don't know how old Rater is, but he seems to have had a similar experience.

[Rater202]

Aren't you young enough that the IRS had it's free online filing system fully implemented by the time you were in high school? Doing it by hand seems useless.

I'll be 30 in 12 days, you tell me.

But uh... Do I have to remind you that I went to American public school?

Edit: Also holy **** I'm thirty why does time!?

If anyone needs me I'll be performing arcane rituals on the off chance that it attracts the interest of Jumpchan and I can spend a decade someplace where I can get Eternal Youth and then come back here at the exact second I left off.

[Form]

Aren't you young enough that the IRS had it's free online filing system fully implemented by the time you were in high school? Doing it by hand seems useless.

It may have been intended as a financial literacy + basic math exercise, though not a very good one if it didn't account for multiple tax brackets. Being taught to do this stuff by hand instead of relying on online tools is useful to gain a better understanding of taxes in general and to acquire some measure of financial literacy, even if in practice you'll be taking advantage of such tools anyway. Cultivating a deeper understanding can help when inevitably you do have to figure out something yourself, which may not be tax related and may not be entirely covered by available tools.


My generation at least was caught in the awkward gap between when the technology to do things easily and quickly was becoming readily available, and when teachers and such actually realized that stuff existed. Raise your hand if you were taught "you wont always have a calculator in your pocket" in high school, despite the fact that you did indeed have a calculator in your pocket all the freaking time.

Don't know how old Rater is, but he seems to have had a similar experience.

Same principle applies here. It's not about whether you'll have a calculator available or not, but about developing a basic level understanding of math and a degree of mental acuity which is very broadly applicable later in life. As well as prepping for college or university. Some kids will feel the call of Science! and they'll need it.

[Peelee]

I'll be 30 in 12 days, you tell me.

But uh... Do I have to remind you that I went to American public school?

Edit: Also holy **** I'm thirty why does time!?

If anyone needs me I'll be performing arcane rituals on the off chance that it attracts the interest of Jumpchan and I can spend a decade someplace where I can get Eternal Youth and then come back here at the exact second I left off.
Yep!

For my 30th, we went mini-golfing. I wasn't aware of a mini-golf i the Birmingham metro area for decades so i was super excited about it. Took my wife to NYC for her 30th.

Its a nice landmark birthday! Just do what you would enjoy and it'll be a nice one!

It may have been intended as a financial literacy + basic math exercise, though not a very good one if it didn't account for multiple tax brackets. Being taught to do this stuff by hand instead of relying on online tools is useful to gain a better understanding of taxes in general and to acquire some measure of financial literacy, even if in practice you'll be taking advantage of such tools anyway. Cultivating a deeper understanding can help when inevitably you do have to figure out something yourself, which may not be tax related and may not be entirely covered by available tools.



Same principle applies here. It's not about whether you'll have a calculator available or not, but about developing a basic level understanding of math and a degree of mental acuity which is very broadly applicable later in life. As well as prepping for college or university. Some kids will feel the call of Science! and they'll need it.
Exactly. Getting the answer right matters less than understanding the process.

[halfeye]

It may have been intended as a financial literacy + basic math exercise, though not a very good one if it didn't account for multiple tax brackets. Being taught to do this stuff by hand instead of relying on online tools is useful to gain a better understanding of taxes in general and to acquire some measure of financial literacy, even if in practice you'll be taking advantage of such tools anyway. Cultivating a deeper understanding can help when inevitably you do have to figure out something yourself, which may not be tax related and may not be entirely covered by available tools.



Same principle applies here. It's not about whether you'll have a calculator available or not, but about developing a basic level understanding of math and a degree of mental acuity which is very broadly applicable later in life. As well as prepping for college or university. Some kids will feel the call of Science! and they'll need it.

I used to be able to do long division, but then a teacher pushed me to learn a second method, and I forgot both. Which hasn't been a problem.

[Anonymouswizard]

I had no idea what this song was when I saw this, so early morning brain was a little Concerned- though I do appreciate being called a successful novelist, haha!

It's disappointingly less well known than I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Major General despite The Mikado being far more popular (if generally requiring more effort to stage). It's quite simply amazing, if you can only see one play in your life it should probably be The Mikado.

It's still a brilliant satire of the English, although the law against flirting feels a bit more American these days :smalltongue:

Now shush, or DataNinja might start complaining about her lines!


Also this reminds me of how Reboot season 3 ended with a Modern Major General remix.

What season three? Is this one of those childhood things everyone but me saw?

[DavidSh]

I used to be able to do long division, but then a teacher pushed me to learn a second method, and I forgot both. Which hasn't been a problem.
I think I still remember how to compute square roots by hand, but I'm not certain. Not something I need to do very often, whilst I still have my handy slide rule.

[LaZodiac]

It's disappointingly less well known than I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Major General despite The Mikado being far more popular (if generally requiring more effort to stage). It's quite simply amazing, if you can only see one play in your life it should probably be The Mikado.

It's still a brilliant satire of the English, although the law against flirting feels a bit more American these days :smalltongue:

What season three? Is this one of those childhood things everyone but me saw?

Will keep it in mind.

Yup! Season 3 is about Enzo and Andrea surviving across the net, hopping from game to game. The song delightfully recaps the majority of season 2 and all of season 3, and is a genuienly very good ending to a series that didn't NEED to continue (though damn if the Daemon stuff isn't incredible imho) You can witness it here, in all its glory. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V--_1hUvkh8)

[Anonymouswizard]

Will keep it in mind.

I would honestly say that Gilbert was a better wordsmith than Shakespeare. It's also interesting how populist satire has now become considered highbrow, although said intent is more clear in G&S.

I really, really want to learn to sing a proper patter song, despite my speech impediment.


Yup! Season 3 is about Enzo and Andrea surviving across the net, hopping from game to game. The song delightfully recaps the majority of season 2 and all of season 3, and is a genuienly very good ending to a series that didn't NEED to continue (though damn if the Daemon stuff isn't incredible imho) You can witness it here, in all its glory. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V--_1hUvkh8)

Maybe I'll watch it when I get home, but I suspect it might be one of those things that hits better if you've actually seen the show.

Interestingly the original just came up on my Spotify.

[H_H_F_F]

Edit: Also holy **** I'm thirty why does time!?

A pretty universal experience, there. (https://youtu.be/n57aQQsQiwc)

I'll be 28 this year, and I'm trying to get accustomed to the fact that I'm basically thirty. Hopefully I'll get used to it by the time I am.

Somewhere, in the back of my mind, 35 is still "old" - I think that's the one that's really gonna mess me up. I blame the Tawny Man trilogy and D&D 3.5 aging rules.

Oh God oh **** I'm getting old

Quick, everyone older than me in this thread tell me how young I am, and that I'm basically a child, and that I'm going to be young forever.

[Batcathat]

I didn't have much of a reaction to turning 30 (probably because I already had a "What should I do with my life?" crisis when I was 25, which I somehow cured by getting very drunk), but instead I got upset two years later when I realized my younger sister was turning 30, which must mean I'm really old.

Speaking of my family members, I also remember getting upset in my early thirties when I realized that I was closer to Homer Simpson's age than my dad was. I think I'm actually close to surpassing him at this point (I'm 38 and I think Homer's either 38 or 39), so I suppose it's only a matter of time before I start identifying with Grampa Simpson. :smalltongue:

[Rater202]

Oh God oh **** I'm getting old

Quick, everyone older than me in this thread tell me how young I am, and that I'm basically a child, and that I'm going to be young forever.

I tell ya hwut, if I ever get sent Jumping IRL I'll hook you up with some Eternal Youth when I get back.

...standing offer for anyone by the way. If I stumble across a reliable means of bestowing Eternal Youth and a means of easy long-distance travel ya'll jus have to ask.

[Anonymouswizard]

I tell ya hwut, if I ever get sent Jumping IRL I'll hook you up with some Eternal Youth when I get back.

...standing offer for anyone by the way. If I stumble across a reliable means of bestowing Eternal Youth and a means of easy long-distance travel ya'll jus have to ask.

Something something free lunch.

[Rater202]

Something something free lunch.

That saying disregards the existence of gifts and charity. It assumes that literally everyone you are dealing with is motivated by profit or else is a bad actor seeking to exploit you.

[Anonymouswizard]

That saying disregards the existence of gifts and charity. It assumes that literally everyone you are dealing with is motivated by profit or else is a bad actor seeking to exploit you.

I don't tend to accept gifts from noneuclidean dragon symbiote gods I don't recognise (and not from all of those I do recognise). So you could at least make me get you a burger first.

ETA: also in the cases of charity and gifting there is (generally) a transaction, but one side is more abstract. You could probably write some kind of philosophy paper on the transactions inherent in gifting, therefore the lunch still has a price even if said price lacks monetary value.

[Rater202]

I don't tend to accept gifts from noneuclidean dragon symbiote gods I don't recognise (and not from all of those I do recognise). So you could at least make me get you a burger first.

How about a living universe compressed down to the form of a kokiri?

[DataNinja]

Now shush, or DataNinja might start complaining about her lines!
I have lines? Where? :smalltongue:
Now, if you could point me towards this "drop dead gorgeous lesbian", I'd like to take some notes from her.

[Peelee]

That saying disregards the existence of gifts and charity. It assumes that literally everyone you are dealing with is motivated by profit or else is a bad actor seeking to exploit you.

Econ teachers are pretty clear on this. That saying is explcitly for things like gifts and charity. Even if you don't pay for the lunch, someone else. Everything has a cost. Whether that cost you paying the restaurant cash or the restaurant paying the supplier cash and giving away the lunch, the cost is still paid.

[Keltest]

How about a living universe compressed down to the form of a kokiri?

Why would you want to be short?

[Anonymouswizard]

I have lines? Where? :smalltongue:
Now, if you could point me towards this "drop dead gorgeous lesbian", I'd like to take some notes from her.

If you give me a letter and your address I'll make sure she gets it.

Maybe, I know a few of them, despite protests to the contrary. No guarantees it'll get to the correct one.


Why would you want to be short?

Gothic lolita dresses look better when smol, less dysphoria, I'm practically a hobbit anyway, even grew up in a shire, got a shot at becoming the world's third greatest lover...

[Rater202]

Econ teachers are pretty clear on this. That saying is explcitly for things like gifts and charity. Even if you don't pay for the lunch, someone else. Everything has a cost. Whether that cost you paying the restaurant cash or the restaurant paying the supplier cash and giving away the lunch, the cost is still paid.
...I feel that the phrase isn't used in that context very often. I pretty much only see it in cases of it being used with a similar intent to "wait for the other shoe to drop."

Why would you want to be short?

Becuase it gets a bonus to my preferred form of cultivation.

Edit: Also, sometimes I want to be smol and cute.

[DataNinja]

If you give me a letter and your address I'll make sure she gets it.

Maybe, I know a few of them, despite protests to the contrary. No guarantees it'll get to the correct one.

Ah, well, my address is a little hard to reach, sorry to say. For some reason, mailpeople are hesitant to deliver anything to the land of the fae. :smallamused:

[Mystic Muse]

30 is not old, and the attitude that it is needs to die harder than the Flash movie's hopes for making a profit.

[Jasdoif]

Ah, well, my address is a little hard to reach, sorry to say. For some reason, mailpeople are hesitant to deliver anything to the land of the fae. :smallamused:Have you considered investing in a PO box? It works well enough for my undine cousins, whose paper mail tends towards illegible pulp if actually taken to their residences.

[DataNinja]

Have you considered investing in a PO box? It works well enough for my undine cousins, whose paper mail tends towards illegible pulp if actually taken to their residences.

...okay, but that requires effort. I just want good things to magically happen to me. :smalltongue:

[halfeye]

...okay, but that requires effort. I just want good things to magically happen to me. :smalltongue:

Even with a mailbox, that won't happen. :smallsigh:

[LaZodiac]

A pretty universal experience, there. (https://youtu.be/n57aQQsQiwc)

I'll be 28 this year, and I'm trying to get accustomed to the fact that I'm basically thirty. Hopefully I'll get used to it by the time I am.

Somewhere, in the back of my mind, 35 is still "old" - I think that's the one that's really gonna mess me up. I blame the Tawny Man trilogy and D&D 3.5 aging rules.

Oh God oh **** I'm getting old

Quick, everyone older than me in this thread tell me how young I am, and that I'm basically a child, and that I'm going to be young forever.

Just realized I had this quoted to respond to all day and just completely didn't post it anyway hey: 27 is young go back to bed you whippersnapper (I'm like 32 or some **** I don't recall, time is a flat round-shape and doesn't exist anymore).

[Lord Raziere]

I tell ya hwut, if I ever get sent Jumping IRL I'll hook you up with some Eternal Youth when I get back.

...standing offer for anyone by the way. If I stumble across a reliable means of bestowing Eternal Youth and a means of easy long-distance travel ya'll jus have to ask.

Technically if you did, we wouldn't be able to tell.

the jumpchain glossary informed me that if someone goes on a jumpchain, time is stopped for the original world of the Jumper plus all the worlds they visit on the jump once they leave, time only resuming once you either fail your chain, choose go home or ascend.

thus to anyone's perspective on the outside it would be as if you instantly became a super-powerful being out of nowhere for no discernible reason.

but sounds like a good deal, I'd take it.

[Anonymouswizard]

Ah, well, my address is a little hard to reach, sorry to say. For some reason, mailpeople are hesitant to deliver anything to the land of the fae. :smallamused:

Well maybe if you let them leave without aging a hundred years once they touch soil...

[DataNinja]

Well maybe if you let them leave without aging a hundred years once they touch soil...

Look, it's not my fault if time flows differently. Blame a physicist or something. :smalltongue:
(Besides, how else is a girl supposed to get everything she needs to done in a single day?)

[Anonymouswizard]

Look, it's not my fault if time flows differently. Blame a physicist or something. :smalltongue:
(Besides, how else is a girl supposed to get everything she needs to done in a single day?)

The physicists have enough on their plate.

Also I thought that was what all the changelings were for?

[H_H_F_F]

...standing offer for anyone by the way. If I stumble across a reliable means of bestowing Eternal Youth and a means of easy long-distance travel ya'll jus have to ask.

You're telling me that if you have the chance to give me eternal youth, but no means of easy long distance travel, you're just going to give up?

Take a flight, Rater :smalltongue:

[Anonymouswizard]

You're telling me that if you have the chance to give me eternal youth, but no means of easy long distance travel, you're just going to give up?

Take a flight, Rater :smalltongue:

I'm sure my friend Doctor Devastation will be willing to transport him on his airship. Of course he'll have to descend into supervillainy after being denied tenure first, but that might only be a matter of time.

[Rater202]

Technically if you did, we wouldn't be able to tell.

the jumpchain glossary informed me that if someone goes on a jumpchain, time is stopped for the original world of the Jumper plus all the worlds they visit on the jump once they leave, time only resuming once you either fail your chain, choose go home or ascend.

thus to anyone's perspective on the outside it would be as if you instantly became a super-powerful being out of nowhere for no discernible reason.

but sounds like a good deal, I'd take it.

Look, if it happens I'll post a selfie of myself. You'll know it's real because I'll be an Otsutsuki, a new-type bio-android, a kokiri, a symbiote host, a zerg queen, a doomsday, or some combination of the above.

[Metastachydium]

I do appreciate being called a successful novelist, haha!

At any rate, you are a fair bit more succesful a novelist than one such as myself, on account of having actually written and published a novel.


Quick, everyone older than me in this thread tell me how young I am, and that I'm basically a child, and that I'm going to be young forever.

[Scoffs.] I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Tell me, young man: what even is a year? Or a decade? Or thirty?


Why would you want to be short?

Because being long means your reach is 5 feet shorter? [Runs away.]


(Besides, how else is a girl supposed to get everything she needs to done in a single day?)

Be a FLOWER like me and need to do less!


Look, if it happens I'll post a selfie of myself. You'll know it's real because I'll be (…) a doomsday

I'm trying to imagine that, but all I'm getting is a very edgy, black calendar with spikes and a day circled IN BLOOD.

[Peelee]

[Scoffs.] I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night.

Sounds like a heck of a day.

[Mystic Muse]

I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.

[Peelee]

I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.
On the one hand, congrats! On the other, i can understand. That same feeling is no small part of why I'm doing what im doing.

[Rater202]

I'm trying to imagine that, but all I'm getting is a very edgy, black calendar with spikes and a day circled IN BLOOD.

You know that guy that killed Superman that one time?

There are a couple of Jumps that'll let you get his powers.

[Peelee]

You know that guy that killed Superman that one time?

The Jeff Bezos-lookin' dude?

[Rater202]

I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.
I see stories like this and it makes me feel bad that I lack the means to take over the world.

[Mystic Muse]

On the one hand, congrats! On the other, i can understand. That same feeling is no small part of why I'm doing what im doing.

Sounds like it's working out for you, at least for the most part, and I hope it continues to. :smallsmile:

[Batcathat]

The Jeff Bezos-lookin' dude?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1591558315254890500/ETIHb4Nl_400x400.jpg

https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/screen-shot-2016-03-22-at-6-20-43-pm.png?w=1200&h=628&crop=1

Yeah, I can kinda see the resemblance. Same haircut.

[LaZodiac]

I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.

I'll do my best to make a home for all of us. It sucks this sort of thing has to happen this way, but the good times will flow from there.

... you know, both Doomsday AND Lex are bald. Brainiac too. Why are all of Super Man's enemies baldies!!

[Form]

I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.

I hope you'll feel more at home where you're going, but it still sucks that you're basically driven out of where you're now. It shouldn't be that way.

[Batcathat]

... you know, both Doomsday AND Lex are bald. Brainiac too. Why are all of Super Man's enemies baldies!!

Maybe Superman has really bad OCD? He only fights people without hair and only dates people with the initials LL.

Kryptonite is actually completely harmless, he just really doesn't like the color green.

[LaZodiac]

Maybe Superman has really bad OCD? He only fights people without hair and only dates people with the initials LL.

Kryptonite is actually completely harmless, he just really doesn't like the color green.

... thinking about My Adventures With Super Man, the new Super Man show they're doing that is incredible good, and thinking about how they could play with some of these...

[Rater202]

... you know, both Doomsday AND Lex are bald. Brainiac too. Why are all of Super Man's enemies baldies!!

According to Silver Age Superboy comics, the reason Lex Luthor hates Superman is that they knew each other as children, they were friends(Lex knowing him as Superboy, not as Clark) and when Lex's attempt to create a cure for Kryptonite poisoning blew up in his face he went prematurely bald as a side effect and he's blamed Clark ever since.

[Metastachydium]

You know that guy that killed Superman that one time?




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1591558315254890500/ETIHb4Nl_400x400.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/screen-shot-2016-03-22-at-6-20-43-pm.png?w=1200&h=628&crop=1[IMG]


…
You want to be the crude stone statue of a hairless gorilla?


Maybe Superman has really bad OCD? He only fights people without hair and only dates people with the initials LL.

Kryptonite is actually completely harmless, he just [I]really doesn't like the color green.

Ah, the smell of someone telling me about having never known anyone with a really bad OCD without telling me that!

[Rater202]

…
You want to be the crude stone statue of a hairless gorilla?

Well I'd have an appearance booster so I'd be prettier than that, but "can't permanently die, become immune to anything that hurts you" would be kind of a useful thing to have.

[Peelee]

I see stories like this and it makes me feel bad that I lack the means to take over the world.
You know how a lot of sayings are just the same thing? Like how "fortune favors the bold" and "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" are the exact same message?

I think "be the change you want to see in the world" is, if not the exact same as those, at least like 80-90%.

Sounds like it's working out for you, at least for the most part, and I hope it continues to. :smallsmile:
Well, if i can stop the clock. For the one I'm furthest along in, the physical requirements are now pretty much a standard part of my workout and I'm not concerned about that, but the specter of the poly looms like a sword tied to a thread hanging above the throne.

Hey, that's good imagery, someone should make up a story about that.

Anyway, thanks! I appreciate the support! On a related note, one of the really big ones sent me an email that turned out to be pretty useless as far as progression went, but it lets me know that the potential multi-year wait hasn't forgotten about me!

[Rater202]

You know how a lot of sayings are just the same thing? Like how "fortune favors the bold" and "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" are the exact same message?

I think "be the change you want to see in the world" is, if not the exact same as those, at least like 80-90%.

....Are you encouraging me to go out and acquire the means to take over the world?

Becuase while I could probably jury rig together a laser that slowly cuts people in half crotch first, I don't even know where to begin when it comes to assembling an army of flying monkeys.

An have you seen the rent prices on Valcano lairs nowadays?

[Metastachydium]

can't permanently die

I think I can still live without that. But you do you, Bookmark!


"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"

…meaning "so don't take shots; someone might end up shot!", I'll assume?


Well, if i can stop the clock.

Did you try removing the power source?


the specter of the poly looms

Yeah, negative levels are the worst! On the flip side, I'm pretty sure Anonymuswizard is quite alive, so you need not worry about that.

[LaZodiac]

According to Silver Age Superboy comics, the reason Lex Luthor hates Superman is that they knew each other as children, they were friends(Lex knowing him as Superboy, not as Clark) and when Lex's attempt to create a cure for Kryptonite poisoning blew up in his face he went prematurely bald as a side effect and he's blamed Clark ever since.

This is the stupidest bit of canon I've seen. Super Man doesn't need a Norman Osbourne... though it is better than "Lex lost his hair ripping it out in fury about Super Man ruining his plans" I imagine. That said, I think the bald look just suits the man, not every megalomaniacal business man can have a beautiful mullet- let alone pull it off, after all.


You know how a lot of sayings are just the same thing? Like how "fortune favors the bold" and "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" are the exact same message?

I think "be the change you want to see in the world" is, if not the exact same as those, at least like 80-90%.

Anyway, thanks! I appreciate the support! On a related note, one of the really big ones sent me an email that turned out to be pretty useless as far as progression went, but it lets me know that the potential multi-year wait hasn't forgotten about me!

True enough. Good luck Peelee, don't get grinded up into dust.

Hey, that's a positive! Sometimes you just, kinda assume everyone has forgotten about you, then you get a call and it's "oh yeah lets schedule your surgery now" out of nowhere. It's a good feeling.

(on that note I gotta vent a bit: I'm currently waiting for the government up here to approve my funding for this... but they don't allow you to submit for this until it's been approved already. So now that they've approved me to get money to do this, they have to do a SECOND approval to get money for this. Frustrating and wasting my time...)

[Rynjin]

This is the stupidest bit of canon I've seen.

TBH it doesn't even crack the top 20 of ones I know about, and may not hit the Hot 100 for people who actually know comics.

...Did you know Marvel comics retconned history so that Gwen Stacy was secretly having an affair with Norman Osborne and that she secretly gave birth to his twins before she died?

These are apparently Norman's bedroom eyes. (https://78462f86-a-2ff76985-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/thegreengoblinshideout.com/www/sins-past-the-gwen-affair/amaz_512011_2.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crUmv3hkqQPO8IpY KfujebPVoKQAiGeqjDaGKrO7mbnW6MXvkwDaPI5vhc357h_iHp dOtH13St7nSanFQmqGHuNxgQu_KKnv0dfBQKZDnqe77infpeuM HVrOOzIcDF7GgXMmZWdqVlfRNuugZfPEpSC6tqgIbtEgYBOXf3 o6e2VMJH0r-LM1QvvnDhFXjj6bE-XYtTQBs_DFYKsDCc_YfIHCNLPB0_gmug8J83zBeswO6su3grjC p72bNiW3ORQDDDA2a11&attredirects=0)

[Batcathat]

TBH it doesn't even crack the top 20 of ones I know about, and may not hit the hit 100 for people who actually know comics.

...Did you know Marvel comics retconned history so that Gwen Stacy was secretly having an affair with Norman Osborne and that she secretly gave birth to his twins before she died?

These are apparently Norman's bedroom eyes.

They also retconned Osborn and Sandman into being related (cousins, I think?), seemingly because they have the same hairstyle.

[Peelee]

....Are you encouraging me to go out and acquire the means to take over the world?
Yes, actually!

Did you try removing the power source?
That tends to be frowned upon where im trying to go.

This is the stupidest bit of canon I've seen. Super Man doesn't need a Norman Osbourne... though it is better than "Lex lost his hair ripping it out in fury about Super Man ruining his plans" I imagine. That said, I think the bald look just suits the man, not every megalomaniacal business man can have a beautiful mullet- let alone pull it off, after all.
I don't know if it was a joke or true, but i read somewhere that when tbey did conventions, anyone who asked Patrick Stewart why baldness wasn't cured in the 24th century waa kicked out. I always figured they could have just answered with "by that point society has progressed beyond finding baldness unflattering" or something like that.

True enough. Good luck Peelee, don't get grinded up into dust.
Thanks! I got my hopes up for it!

Hey, that's a positive! Sometimes you just, kinda assume everyone has forgotten about you, then you get a call and it's "oh yeah lets schedule your surgery now" out of nowhere. It's a good feeling.
It can be, sure, but in this case it was more along the lines of "As the nation marks its 247th birthday this month, we are reminded of the importance of our mission. Find out more about our core values! "

Only very slightly rephrased, and significantly shortened.

(on that note I gotta vent a bit: I'm currently waiting for the government up here to approve my funding for this... but they don't allow you to submit for this until it's been approved already. So now that they've approved me to get money to do this, they have to do a SECOND approval to get money for this. Frustrating and wasting my time...)
Oh man, you're reminding me of healthcare admin. Pre-certification is a delightful little scam we came up with down here. Especially when it needs to be recurring.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'm trying to imagine that, but all I'm getting is a very edgy, black calendar with spikes and a day circled IN BLOOD.

No, he's just trying to work out how to tax the people he conquered.


I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.


Booooooooooooooo! No, I refuse to cond out of the closet IRL and face this kind of stuff myself.

I hope that when all is said and done you look back and decide that the positives outweighed the negatives


I see stories like this and it makes me feel bad that I lack the means to take over the world.

Nah, too much paperwork. I'd use a series of coincidences to make Peele take over the world instead, he seems like a trustworthy guy who'll only go a little mad with the power.

[Rater202]

TBH it doesn't even crack the top 20 of ones I know about, and may not hit the Hot 100 for people who actually know comics.

...Did you know Marvel comics retconned history so that Gwen Stacy was secretly having an affair with Norman Osborne and that she secretly gave birth to his twins before she died?

These are apparently Norman's bedroom eyes. (https://78462f86-a-2ff76985-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/thegreengoblinshideout.com/www/sins-past-the-gwen-affair/amaz_512011_2.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crUmv3hkqQPO8IpY KfujebPVoKQAiGeqjDaGKrO7mbnW6MXvkwDaPI5vhc357h_iHp dOtH13St7nSanFQmqGHuNxgQu_KKnv0dfBQKZDnqe77infpeuM HVrOOzIcDF7GgXMmZWdqVlfRNuugZfPEpSC6tqgIbtEgYBOXf3 o6e2VMJH0r-LM1QvvnDhFXjj6bE-XYtTQBs_DFYKsDCc_YfIHCNLPB0_gmug8J83zBeswO6su3grjC p72bNiW3ORQDDDA2a11&attredirects=0)

That got retconned again.

Now that was the result of Harry setting something up with cloning tech and Mysterio before he died back in the 80s.

Also, he never came back to life, he's been in Hell all of this time even though he redeemed himself before death becuase Norman sold him to Mephisto decades ago and the deal is valid even though Mephisto seemingly did jack ****.

The Harry Osborn who's been around since the 2000s who got all of that character development chasing the redemption he got in his death turned out to be another clone that someone had made for... reasons so none of that crap doesn't count.

Bu the good news is that Gwen Stacy is back to being the perfect pure flower that everyone's been pretending she was since she died.
Yes, actually!
...Should somoene who is attempting to gain a federal position really be encouraging people to go out and commit questionably legal acts that are potentially treasonous in nature?

[Peelee]

Nah, too much paperwork. I'd use a series of coincidences to make Peele take over the world instead, he seems like a trustworthy guy who'll only go a little mad with the power.
I whole heartedly approve of this plan.

....Should somoene who is attempting to gain a federal position really be encouraging people to go out
I don't see why not.

and commit questionably legal acts that are potentially treasonous in nature?
Now you're just reading into things i never said or implied. :smalltongue:

[Rater202]

I don't see why not.

Now you're just reading into things i never said or implied. :smalltongue:

Explain to me how I can take over the world without breaking the law or acting against the interests of my government?

And do note that I have no monies.

[Rynjin]

That got retconned again.

Now that was the result of Harry setting something up with cloning tech and Mysterio before he died back in the 80s.

Also, he never came back to life, he's been in Hell all of this time even though he redeemed himself before death becuase Norman sold him to Mephisto decades ago and the deal is valid even though Mephisto seemingly did jack ****.

The Harry Osborn who's been around since the 2000s who got all of that character development chasing the redemption he got in his death turned out to be another clone that someone had made for... reasons so none of that crap doesn't count.

Bu the good news is that Gwen Stacy is back to being the perfect pure flower that everyone's been pretending she was since she died.


Spider-man and really dumb plots involving clones; name a more iconic duo, I dare you.


Explain to me how I can take over the world without breaking the law or acting against the interests of my government?

And do note that I have no monies.

You could ask Rockphed to share his secrets for becoming an ethical billionaire, that should solve the second problem at least.

[Jasdoif]

I'll be 28 this year, and I'm trying to get accustomed to the fact that I'm basically thirty. Hopefully I'll get used to it by the time I am.

Somewhere, in the back of my mind, 35 is still "old" - I think that's the one that's really gonna mess me up. I blame the Tawny Man trilogy and D&D 3.5 aging rules.

Oh God oh **** I'm getting old

Quick, everyone older than me in this thread tell me how young I am, and that I'm basically a child, and that I'm going to be young forever.Thirty-five is only "old" in the sense that, if by then you haven't figured out your identity that's separate from the world and your identity that's part of the world, you'll likely die before you can recover your birthright agency.

If you just want to talk about feeling old, I still remember when my nephew was born and he's getting married this summer.

[LaZodiac]

TBH it doesn't even crack the top 20 of ones I know about, and may not hit the Hot 100 for people who actually know comics.

...Did you know Marvel comics retconned history so that Gwen Stacy was secretly having an affair with Norman Osborne and that she secretly gave birth to his twins before she died?

These are apparently Norman's bedroom eyes. (https://78462f86-a-2ff76985-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/thegreengoblinshideout.com/www/sins-past-the-gwen-affair/amaz_512011_2.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crUmv3hkqQPO8IpY KfujebPVoKQAiGeqjDaGKrO7mbnW6MXvkwDaPI5vhc357h_iHp dOtH13St7nSanFQmqGHuNxgQu_KKnv0dfBQKZDnqe77infpeuM HVrOOzIcDF7GgXMmZWdqVlfRNuugZfPEpSC6tqgIbtEgYBOXf3 o6e2VMJH0r-LM1QvvnDhFXjj6bE-XYtTQBs_DFYKsDCc_YfIHCNLPB0_gmug8J83zBeswO6su3grjC p72bNiW3ORQDDDA2a11&attredirects=0)

I did know this, actually! I should clarify that when I say one of the stupidest bits of canon, I mean more... "well that's just stupid" levels of stupid. Not "I want to find the people responsible and gently ask them what the **** is wrong with them" like that linked story is. I shoulda made that clearer.



I don't know if it was a joke or true, but i read somewhere that when tbey did conventions, anyone who asked Patrick Stewart why baldness wasn't cured in the 24th century waa kicked out. I always figured they could have just answered with "by that point society has progressed beyond finding baldness unflattering" or something like that.

Oh man, you're reminding me of healthcare admin. Pre-certification is a delightful little scam we came up with down here. Especially when it needs to be recurring.

Apocryphal or not, that's a good response.

Yeaaah, it sucks. It double sucks because all of this **** has to go through Inuvik, because that's where this particular branch of government brain-thinking is, instead of Yellowknife proper.

[Keltest]

Explain to me how I can take over the world without breaking the law or acting against the interests of my government?

And do note that I have no monies.

Just take over the government by legitimate means and then use it to further your conquest. Its not treason if its their name youre painting all over the map.

[Anonymouswizard]

Explain to me how I can take over the world without breaking the law or acting against the interests of my government?

And do note that I have no monies.

Step 1: make every country a representative democracy
Step 2: ???
Step 3: run in every campaign and win

Simple!

[Peelee]

Explain to me how I can take over the world without breaking the law or acting against the interests of my government?

And do note that I have no monies.
First, I never suggested you take over the world:
....Are you encouraging me to go out and acquire the means to take over the world?

Yes, actually!

Second, even if you did, that does not mean it was done under illegal or treasonous methods (it's actually quite difficult to commit treason, at least in the US. And if you're from here then you can't commit treason against any other countries by definition). But focusing on those methods is putting the cart before the horse. Get those means first!

[Rater202]

Just take over the government by legitimate means and then use it to further your conquest. Its not treason if its their name youre painting all over the map.


Step 1: make every country a representative democracy
Step 2: ???
Step 3: run in every campaign and win

Simple!

That requires money!
First, I never suggested you take over the world:


Second, even if you did, that does not mean it was done under illegal or treasonous methods (it's actually quite difficult to commit treason, at least in the US. And if you're from here then you can't commit treason against any other countries by definition). But focusing on those methods is putting the cart before the horse. Get those means first!I don't think it's legal for private citizens to own weapons of mass destruction or to raise their own private military organizations.

Kind of need that to take over the world.

[Anonymouswizard]

That requires money!

See step two :smalltongue:

[Jasdoif]

Step 1: make every country a representative democracy
Step 2: ???
Step 3: run in every campaign and win

Simple!Dominance over the counting of votes is the traditional step 2, I believe.

[Rynjin]

I did know this, actually! I should clarify that when I say one of the stupidest bits of canon, I mean more... "well that's just stupid" levels of stupid. Not "I want to find the people responsible and gently ask them what the **** is wrong with them" like that linked story is. I shoulda made that clearer.

Ah...well, honestly, still doesn't crack the top ten but that's a WAY funnier topic.

Not so much dumb in the moment, but mildly interesting and raises a few questions: did you know Sabertooth (Wolverine's brother and primary rival, very serious guy with very serious problems or whatever) originally appeared as a two-off Iron Fist villain and was mostly used to fill out a roster of villains that looked vaguely like horror movie monsters (Sabertooth being the Wolfman, of course)?

How he goes from that to being the aforementioned brother and rival of Wolverine I have zero idea.

[Rater202]

Ah...well, honestly, still doesn't crack the top ten but that's a WAY funnier topic.

Not so much dumb in the moment, but mildly interesting and raises a few questions: did you know Sabertooth (Wolverine's brother and primary rival, very serious guy with very serious problems or whatever) originally appeared as a two-off Iron Fist villain and was mostly used to fill out a roster of villains that looked vaguely like horror movie monsters (Sabertooth being the Wolfman, of course)?

How he goes from that to being the aforementioned brother and rival of Wolverine I have zero idea.

They're only brothers in the Movies.

In the comics, Victor antagonism of Logan is because Logan killed the last guy that Victor liked to periodically terrorize.

[Anonymouswizard]

Dominance over the counting of votes is the traditional step 2, I believe.

We don't talk about the filled ballot factories, okay?


Ah...well, honestly, still doesn't crack the top ten but that's a WAY funnier topic.

Not so much dumb in the moment, but mildly interesting and raises a few questions: did you know Sabertooth (Wolverine's brother and primary rival, very serious guy with very serious problems or whatever) originally appeared as a two-off Iron Fist villain and was mostly used to fill out a roster of villains that looked vaguely like horror movie monsters (Sabertooth being the Wolfman, of course)?

How he goes from that to being the aforementioned brother and rival of Wolverine I have zero idea.

Logan's dad is very good at what he does, and what he does makes babies. It's a little known fact that half the current generation of superheroes are Logan's siblings. Hence the long lives, they all got them from their dad.

Or more likely reusing a design and name because Stan Lee has asked you to write twenty different comics this month...

[Rater202]

What happened is that Victor was created by Chris Clairemont, who was writing X-Men at the time.

[Form]

Nah, too much paperwork. I'd use a series of coincidences to make Peele take over the world instead, he seems like a trustworthy guy who'll only go a little mad with the power.

What? No! He won't appreciate it! Give it to me! I'll go completely bonkers with power! I'll actually do things with it. Many horrible, yet fun things. I assure you, I'll get lots of mileage out of that power. :smalltongue:

[Fyraltari]

I hate the simultaneous experience of anticipation and dread.

If things go mostly to plan, I will be driving up to Canada next year and not coming back.

The "not coming back" part is the portion that sucks. I feel like I'm being chased out of my home by bigots, crazies, and those who generally want to make even existing here cost an arm, two legs and 3 fingers. I genuinely don't feel safe here any more, and don't think I ever will again.

And that sucks.
Oof... remember, this too, shall pass.
Wishing you the best, Mystic!


And if you're from here then you can't commit treason against any other countries by definition).
Couldn't you commit treason against,

I don't think it's legal for private citizens to o[...] raise their own private military organizations.
Ahem. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company)

Kind of need that to take over the world.
How about getting the pris'ners of starvation and the wretched of the Earth to rise?

[Peelee]

I don't think it's legal for private citizens to own weapons of mass destruction or to raise their own private military organizations.

Kind of need that to take over the world.

Number one on the list of means to take over the world: an imagination broader than that of a comic-book villain plot. :smallwink:

[Jasdoif]

We don't talk about the filled ballot factories, okay?Of course not, that's old hat; modern milliners "miscount" or "misplace" votes during the counting.

[Peelee]

What? No! He won't appreciate it! Give it to me! I'll go completely bonkers with power! I'll actually do things with it. Many horrible, yet fun things. I assure you, I'll get lots of mileage out of that power. :smalltongue:

I would appreciate it quite well, thankyouverymuch.

[Rater202]

Number one on the list of means to take over the world: an imagination broader than that of a comic-book villain plot. :smallwink:

Look, I need to be able to make threats if my demands aren't met. I also need something to deter world leaders from simply sending a black ops team to assassinate me or calling down an airstrike on my secret lair.

If I don't at least have an intercontinental rail gun and a legion of flying monkeys no one will take me seriously.

[Anonymouswizard]

What? No! He won't appreciate it! Give it to me! I'll go completely bonkers with power! I'll actually do things with it. Many horrible, yet fun things. I assure you, I'll get lots of mileage out of that power. :smalltongue:

I'm sorry, we're looking for something a bit more 'compulsory screenings of Return of the Jedi' and less 'making your horse a senator' :smallwink:


Number one on the list of means to take over the world: an imagination broader than that of a comic-book villain plot. :smallwink:

Can I at least include an armoured zeppelin? Because like, I've already built the thing and it could take months to disassemble...

[Peelee]

Look, I need to be able to make threats if my demands aren't met.
Again, the issue here is to broaden horizons past "immediately demand power". The board game has more than one space to move on it.

Can I at least include an armoured zeppelin? Because like, I've already built the thing and it could take months to disassemble...

Can you? I'd make it mandatory!

[Rater202]

Again, the issue here is to broaden horizons past "immediately demand power". The board game has more than one space to move on it.

I'd have to go loud eventually and every day I'm not in charge is a day the people I want to take over the world to help are being forced from their homs.

Additionally, some people will never cede power or bend the knee without the threat of force.

[Form]

I'm sorry, we're looking for something a bit more 'compulsory screenings of Return of the Jedi' and less 'making your horse a senator' :smallwink:

Well, fine then! You don't deserve my madness anyway! Or my pony parliament! *huff*

[Peelee]

I'd have to go loud eventually and every day I'm not in charge is a day the people I want to take over the world to help are being forced from their homs.

Additionally, some people will never cede power or bend the knee without the threat of force.

Look dude, there's a cheat code to this: be born rich.

Did you get that? No? Then no cheat code. You can be militaristic when you consolidate most of the power base. That's the last step.


Well, fine then! You don't deserve my madness anyway! Or my pony parliament! *huff*

You can also have an armored zeppelin. I am a generous dragon overlord.

[Rater202]

Look dude, there's a cheat code to this: be born rich.

It's about thirty years too late for that.

Also, Im' pretty sure that acquiring an army and weapons of mass destruction is part of consolidating a power base.

[Peelee]

It's about thirty years too late for that.

Then no cheat code.

Also, Im' pretty sure that acquiring an army and weapons of mass destruction is part of consolidating a power base.

Number one on the list of means to take over the world: an imagination broader than that of a comic-book villain plot. :smallwink:

Again, the issue here is to broaden horizons past "immediately demand power".


If the only tool you know exists is a hammer then everything looks like a nail. I'm encouraging you to look at more tools.

[Jasdoif]

Can I at least include an armoured zeppelin? Because like, I've already built the thing and it could take months to disassemble...Is it a Kirov?

[Rater202]

If the only tool you know exists is a hammer then everything looks like a nail. I'm encouraging you to look at more tools.

The fundementl misunderstanding is that you're assuming that I'll immediately demand power or that the arm and deterrents are the only things I'd be getting.

I was under the impression that acquiring the methods by which one could take over the world—came before actually trying.

At some point, I'm going to need military forces and a weapon to use as a deterrent if I actually plan on taking over the world.

Ergo, I would need them before I started.

And I'm reasonably certain that I'd be in violation of the law and depending on how I acquired that deterrent guilty of treason in the process.

[Peelee]

Is it a Kirov?
More importantly, is it reporting?

The fundementl misunderstanding is that you're assuming that I'll immediately demand power or that the arm and deterrents are the only things I'd be getting.

I was under the impression that acquiring the methods by which one could take over the world—came before actually trying.

At some point, I'm going to need military forces and a weapon to use as a deterrent if I actually plan on taking over the world.

Ergo, I would need them before I started.

And I'm reasonably certain that I'd be in violation of the law and depending on how I acquired that deterrent guilty of treason in the process.
The fundamental misunderstanding is that you keep insisting that the only way to power is by force. Which should be unsurprising, and yet still here i sit surprised.

[Rater202]

More importantly, is it reporting?

The fundamental misunderstanding is that you keep insisting that the only way to power is by force. Which should be unsurprising, and yet still here i sit surprised.

Even under the best-case scenario, I'm still going to need to be prepared in case someone responds to my actions by invading my territory or sending assassins after me.

Not everyone is going to take the carrots, and it's better to have the stick and not need it than not have it when you do.

[Jasdoif]

More importantly, is it reporting?I figured coming up with the crew would be easier than coming up with the vehicle, honestly.

[Batcathat]

If nothing else, it'll likely come in handy when you're most likely eventually corrupted by power and rebels rise up against you. :smallamused:

[Fyraltari]

Why are we brainstorming conquest ideas? These tend to make living conditions worse, not better.

[Form]

Even under the best-case scenario, I'm still going to need to be prepared in case someone responds to my actions by invading my territory or sending assassins after me.

Not everyone is going to take the carrots, and it's better to have the stick and not need it than not have it when you do.

I'd encourage you to get acquainted with geopolitics and statecraft to get a sense of the tools at your disposal, including but not exclusive to force/threat of force.

As for acquiring world domination within one lifetime..., well, I'm afraid comic book supervillainy is your only option.


If nothing else, it'll likely come in handy when you're most likely eventually corrupted by power and rebels rise up against you. :smallamused:

See? This sort of thing would never happen under the reign of Mad King Form!


Why are we brainstorming conquest ideas? These tend to make living conditions worse, not better.

As a fun thought experiment?

That reminds of that one Stellaris empire I made when I set out to deliberately maximize everyone's suffering. I didn't quite achieve perfection, but I feel like I came a long way with widespread repression, a massive slave class, high unemployment and important jobs that couldn't get filled and of course the forever war(s). Honestly, the only thing I think I still needed was the occasional famine.

[Jasdoif]

Why are we brainstorming conquest ideas? These tend to make living conditions worse, not better.Pretty sure that's what Peelee is trying to get Rater to realize....

[Peelee]

I figured coming up with the crew would be easier than coming up with the vehicle, honestly.
Thr infinite munitions supply would probably be the hardest.

Why are we brainstorming conquest ideas? These tend to make living conditions worse, not better.
Sounds like someone has never had a Kirov.:smallamused:

[Rater202]

Why are we brainstorming conquest ideas? These tend to make living conditions worse, not better.

Can't fix problems till I'm in charge.

Can't be in charge without convincing or coercing others to cede power.

Diplomacy is unlikely to be effective in 100% of cases.

It's better to be prepared for the worst-case scenario before you put the plan into action.

[Form]

Sounds like someone has never had a Kirov.:smallamused:

Things are swell inside the Kirov. Not so much under the Kirov.

[Peelee]

Things are swell inside the Kirov. Not so much under the Kirov.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/642211168068304896/1128412797450076252/image0.webp

[Jasdoif]

Thr infinite munitions supply would probably be the hardest.The V3 makes it look so easy, though....

[Mystic Muse]

Well, fine then! You don't deserve my madness anyway! Or my pony parliament! *huff*

What about me? I could give the pony parliament sugarcubes and brush their manes and tails.

[Peelee]

The V3 makes it look so easy, though....
It was such a tiny detail but i loved that they had V3s.

Also, it was specific-faction only and not even one i played all that often (Korea and Iran were my go-tos, and Iran more frequently. I was a sucker for the apocalypse tank), but i still say a heavily accented "watch out for thr bump!" when i drive over train tracks.

What about me? I could give the pony parliament sugarcubes and brush their manes and tails.

You can have a pony airship. Airships for everyone!

[Fyraltari]

Well, fine then! You don't deserve my madness anyway! Or my pony parliament! *huff*

Nero? Is that you?

[Jasdoif]

Also, it was specific-faction only and not even one i played all that often (Korea and Iran were my go-tos, and Iran more frequently. I was a sucker for the apocalypse tank), but i still say a heavily accented "watch out for thr bump!" when i drive over train tracks.Hopefully that comes up more often than "one way trip" or "don't wait up for me"....Less often than "my truck is loaded" would be okay, though.

[Peelee]

Hopefully that comes up more often than "one way trip" or "don't wait up for me"....Less often than "my truck is loaded" would be okay, though.

All this talk just depresses me about the third one. It had so much promise! George Takei and Tim Curry!

[H_H_F_F]

Thirty-five is only "old" in the sense that, if by then you haven't figured out your identity that's separate from the world and your identity that's part of the world, you'll likely die before you can recover your birthright agency.

If you just want to talk about feeling old, I still remember when my nephew was born and he's getting married this summer.

Yeah, I rationally know thirty five isn't "old". I have plenty of friends in their 30's. But like I said - you grow up on the "old and grizzled" version of your favorite fictional character being 35, and you have a rulebook for your favorite past time telling you middle age is 35, and it's going to leave a mark somewhere.

I think I'm doing pretty well as far as the factors of maturity that I find relevant are concerned. I just still have this pattern of thought saying "one day, when I'm in the best physical shape of my life", despite that very likely being behind me now (as my knee can tell you, after this last visit to the Mont Blanc.)

another thing is not having romantic love and a family yet, despite that being something I'd like to have. I used to imagine/assume that I'd be a "young dad", and it feels weird letting that go.

That sort of stuff. "When I was 27, I built a birdhouse with my mom" stuff, to quote the song I linked earlier.

[Rater202]

Tim Curry!

...you're telling me that a game that had the only man to ever upstage the muppets in a muppet movie was... bad?

[Peelee]

...you're telling me that a game that had the only man to ever upstage the muppets in a muppet movie was... bad?

After two games that were great! The second especially leaned really hard into the cheesiness, which worked like crazy!

And then the gameplay on the third dropped the ball hard.

Also: J. K. Simmons!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=256stDWFsQ4
The concept is Einstein built a time machine and removed Hitler to prevent World War 2. This lead to World War 2 being instigated by the Soviets instead. Red Alert 2 is 30 years later, World War III in the 70's but with advanced technology that's pretty crazy due to the timeline shifting. Things like bionic squids and attack dolphins with sonar guns mounted to them. Real-time strategy. It was glorious.

Red Alert 3 was another timeline shift to refight, since canonically the Allies win, and this time the Empire of the Rising Sun joins in with its army of mechs, so there's a third faction and everyone wants to kill all the others.

[Jasdoif]

I just still have this pattern of thought saying "one day, when I'm in the best physical shape of my life", despite that very likely being behind me now (as my knee can tell you, after this last visit to the Mont Blanc.)I recommend watching Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan...you know, in general; but also because you've basically described Kirk's arc.



The concept is Einstein built a time machine and removed Hitler to prevent World War 2. This lead to World War 2 being instigated by the Soviets instead.And Hell March (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YzmjmAGoI)!


Red Alert 2 is 30 years later, World War III in the 70's but with advanced technology that's pretty crazy due to the timeline shifting. Things like bionic squids and attack dolphins with sonar guns mounted to them. Real-time strategy. It was glorious.You forgot the expansion Yuri's Revenge (whose name I'm sure disappointed people expecting the genre rather than the character) with an entire additional faction based around mind control, prolonged combat, mid-50s sci-fi saucers/mutations/etc., and one man's ego.

[Rater202]

So I was gonna say this earlier but I got distracted by talk of world domination.

My diabetes check-up was today and while I have gained more weight my A1C is the same as last time and my bloodwork was all fine.

The doctor talked about switching me to another medication that has weight loss as a side effect(Mom's currently on it) but I'm hesitant to switch from meds that I know work to one that might so we're gonna see where I am in three months and go from there.

We did talk about maybe eventually going off the insulin which is... progress, but right now we're keeping things the same.

But I did gain weight, despite my best efforts, so I'm gonna have to go a bit harder with my exercises starting tomorrow.

[Anonymouswizard]

Nero? Is that you?

*cough* Caligula *cough*

I was going to make a joke about somebody being an honourary Roman Emperor, but I don't want to degrade Nero by associating him with someone so depraved.

[Peelee]

So I was gonna say this earlier but I got distracted by talk of world domination.

My diabetes check-up was today and while I have gained more weight my A1C is the same as last time and my bloodwork was all fine.

The doctor talked about switching me to another medication that has weight loss as a side effect(Mom's currently on it) but I'm hesitant to switch from meds that I know work to one that might so we're gonna see where I am in three months and go from there.

We did talk about maybe eventually going off the insulin which is... progress, but right now we're keeping things the same.

But I did gain weight, despite my best efforts, so I'm gonna have to go a bit harder with my exercises starting tomorrow.

Endurance and strength training won't really help much with weight loss. IIRC you want light cardio like elliptical, and keep your heart rate around 133. Do that for like 40 minutes or so three times a week or more and that's a decent weight loss routine.



And Hell March (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3YzmjmAGoI)!


Hell March is just glory incarnate.

[Rater202]

Endurance and strength training won't really help much with weight loss. IIRC you want light cardio like elliptical, and keep your heart rate around 133. Do that for like 40 minutes or so three times a week or more and that's a decent weight loss routine.
Don't have access to an eliptical. Been getting my cardio in using a body cycle—basically peddles set on the floor.

Gentle peddling keeps my legs moving but doesn't overly strain my knees or raise my heart rate so... Not the worst thing I could be doing. I'm trying to get at least 30 minutes of that a day.

Endurance and strength training is becuase, based on my research, building muscle helps burn fat.

I can probably push myself a bit more with what I'm doing than I am without problems and there are probably a few more exercises I can do.

[Peelee]

Don't have access to an eliptical. Been getting my cardio in using a body cycle—basically peddles set on the floor.

Gentle peddling keeps my legs moving but doesn't overly strain my knees or raise my heart rate so... Not the worst thing I could be doing. I'm trying to get at least 30 minutes of that a day.

Endurance and strength training is becuase, based on my research, building muscle helps burn fat.

I can probably push myself a bit more with what I'm doing than I am without problems and there are probably a few more exercises I can do.
Building muscle does burn fat, but there's two issues: it's less effective than weight loss exercises, and muscle weighs more than fat.

[Keltest]

Don't have access to an eliptical. Been getting my cardio in using a body cycle—basically peddles set on the floor.

Gentle peddling keeps my legs moving but doesn't overly strain my knees or raise my heart rate so... Not the worst thing I could be doing. I'm trying to get at least 30 minutes of that a day.

Endurance and strength training is becuase, based on my research, building muscle helps burn fat.

I can probably push myself a bit more with what I'm doing than I am without problems and there are probably a few more exercises I can do.

Have you considered that you gained weight because youre putting on muscle mass?

[Rater202]

Building muscle does burn fat, but there's two issues: it's less effective than weight loss exercises, and muscle weighs more than fat.

the main concern with weigh loss is loss of fat.

Like... My main problem with my recent weight gain is that it's not realistic that I'd have gained that much muscle in that amount of time based on what I've been doing.

I am confused becuase I'm less big. Pants tat were too tight three months ago are now too loose.

also, having just googled "most effective weight loss exercises" some of them aren't meaningfully different from what I'm doing now.

Edit: Also, my mom thinks the weight gain might be related to my insulin. I'm on a brand that has weight gain as a potential side effect.

[Jasdoif]

the main concern with weigh loss is loss of fat.

Like... My main problem with my recent weight gain is that it's not realistic that I'd have gained that much muscle in that amount of time based on what I've been doing.

I am confused becuase I'm less big. Pants tat were too tight three months ago are now too loose.As I wasn't aware of this until recently: Body fat scales exist, they measure how much fat resists electricity to get what percentage of body mass is fat. My niece, who epitomizes smol-and-cute and hovers precariously near the threshold of underweight, uses one when she goes to her nutritionist.

[Rater202]

So far this morning I have done 1 pilates-style leg raises with each leg, 120 seconds each in three different basic sitting and supine yoga poses, fifty-second in something called a "half shoulder stand" though I don't think I did it right, 50 crunches, and a sixty-second high plank.

Haven't done my cardio yet but I'm feeling pretty good right now.

[Form]

What about me? I could give the pony parliament sugarcubes and brush their manes and tails.

Yes! Pony parliament shall be the only place that is..... moderately safe from Eccentric Emperor Form's whims.


Nero? Is that you?

I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over the sound of Rome burning. I'll build a lovely palace on the ashes, though, so it'll all be worth it.


*cough* Caligula *cough*

I was going to make a joke about somebody being an honourary Roman Emperor, but I don't want to degrade Nero by associating him with someone so depraved.

I'm going to pretend you're talking about me and take this as a compliment. Thou art too kind.

[Mystic Muse]

Yes! Pony parliament shall be the only place that is..... moderately safe from Eccentric Emperor Form's whims.


Hooray!

Unrelated, I made cheesy hashbrowns last night.

Think I need to add the cheese a bit later into the cooking next time, and also not use murder cheese, but it was good. Fork could not cut through it, I ate it like a big potato chip.

[LaZodiac]

Hooray!

Unrelated, I made cheesy hashbrowns last night.

Think I need to add the cheese a bit later into the cooking next time, and also not use murder cheese, but it was good. Fork could not cut through it, I ate it like a big potato chip.

God that sounds delicious. Perfect too, I'm not the biggest fan of crumbly hashbrowns.

[Peelee]

Hooray!

Unrelated, I made cheesy hashbrowns last night.

Think I need to add the cheese a bit later into the cooking next time, and also not use murder cheese, but it was good. Fork could not cut through it, I ate it like a big potato chip.

This "murder cheese" concept intrigues me.

[tomandtish]

This "murder cheese" concept intrigues me.

Speaking of murder cheese (https://www.today.com/food/trends/burger-king-thailand-real-cheeseburger-rcna93724) (or at least cheese that is likely to kill you...)

[Mystic Muse]

This "murder cheese" concept intrigues me.

They didn't have regular pepperjack slices at the grocery, so I grabbed the Habanero and carolina reaper pepperjack slices because I'm lazy.

[Anonymouswizard]

I'm going to pretend you're talking about me and take this as a compliment. Thou art too kind.

Trust me, considering who I was thinking of ypou don't want to be associated with them. It's one of the few ways for the BBC to lock all memory of you in the deepest darkest hole they have.


As to cheese, I was going to comment but honestly? I regularly eat mouldy cheesy, I don't have the right to complain about other people's preferences :smalltongue:

[Peelee]

As to cheese, I was going to comment but honestly? I regularly eat mouldy cheesy, I don't have the right to complain about other people's preferences :smalltongue:

Is your moldy cheese rotting and infested with maggots (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu)?

[Rater202]

Is your moldy cheese rotting and infested with maggots (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu)?

Why did you have to bring up that ABOMINATION to all things good again?

[Anonymouswizard]

Is your moldy cheese rotting and infested with maggots (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_martzu)?

No, but sounds tasty :smallwink: More seriously I won't intentionally eat anything that's still alive, but that's pretty much my only line for cultural dishes.

[Fyraltari]

This "murder cheese" concept intrigues me.

Mayhaps, they mean...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UL0WgitJZNU/WVTFiHrGW2I/AAAAAAAEUKw/Fnp0K_RuFq0J5U1wOHWlkNUS7krYDe_ZwCLcBGAs/s1600/020_016.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H3ltRrLw6Vg/WVTFidSOXvI/AAAAAAAEUK0/t3Nh29_kvioYelh2R6aBG-xcRSaxgttPQCLcBGAs/s1600/020_017.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_3ln4bCA6mU/WVTFiszpR2I/AAAAAAAEUK8/JyJN5A1blxYUEEae9rpvj2ZQXLKceiRfwCLcBGAs/s1600/020_019.jpg

[Rater202]

We've got a lot of stuff that you'd eat with some kind of sauce but I ain't got no sauce and ain't got no low sugar ketchup to make a small batch of sauce... and since it has to last a week, I'm gonna make a big batch on the stovetop tonight.

I'm gonna try and bring to culmination my experiences in experimenting with sauces on this one. I'm gonna have to use sugar-free breakfast syrup instead of that brown sugar-flavored sugar substitute I used last time since we ain't got none but otherwise, I think I have everything I need to make it perfect.

Spice blends gonna be paprika, garlic powder, onion powder, salt, black pepper, cayenne pepper, and cinnamon. Wet ingredients are gonna be red wine vinegar, soy sauce, worstersherhire sauce, red wine vinegar, and maybe a dash of lemon juice for an extra touch of sourness, I'll decide in the moment.

The base will be tomato sauce, the syrup, and American-style yellow mustard.

I may or may not recite the Song of The Witches as I tend to it as it cooks. (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43189/song-of-the-witches-double-double-toil-and-trouble)

[Peelee]

Why did you have to bring up that ABOMINATION to all things good again?

Apparently it can always be worse.
(https://disgustingfoodmuseum.com/most-disgusting-foods-in-the-world/)


"In the tasting bar our visitors can try out about 20 items for themselves, we have seen reactions ranging from delight to outright vomiting. In fact, at the time of this writing, 108 vomits have occurred in the Disgusting Food Museum, from people from all over the world. "

" The taste is a bit sour and similar to rice wine. This Korean wine has a faint poo smell and can leave a poo smell on your breath. It contains about 9% alcohol. The smell and the visual appearance of this alcoholic drink are worse than the actual taste of it."

" There is no good explanation as to why it has to be the urine of young boys – it’s just part of the tradition."

" A German landlord evicted a tenant without notice after he opened a can of surströmming in the apartment building’s stairwell. When the landlord was taken to court, the court ruled that the termination was justified when the landlord’s attorney demonstrated their case by opening a can inside the courtroom."

" Balut is to date still the only item that has made the Disgusting Food Museum Director vomit, despite having tasted hundreds of dishes."

[Rater202]

Apparently it can always be worse.
(https://disgustingfoodmuseum.com/most-disgusting-foods-in-the-world/)


"In the tasting bar our visitors can try out about 20 items for themselves, we have seen reactions ranging from delight to outright vomiting. In fact, at the time of this writing, 108 vomits have occurred in the Disgusting Food Museum, from people from all over the world. "

" The taste is a bit sour and similar to rice wine. This Korean wine has a faint poo smell and can leave a poo smell on your breath. It contains about 9% alcohol. The smell and the visual appearance of this alcoholic drink are worse than the actual taste of it."

" There is no good explanation as to why it has to be the urine of young boys – it’s just part of the tradition."

" A German landlord evicted a tenant without notice after he opened a can of surströmming in the apartment building’s stairwell. When the landlord was taken to court, the court ruled that the termination was justified when the landlord’s attorney demonstrated their case by opening a can inside the courtroom."

" Balut is to date still the only item that has made the Disgusting Food Museum Director vomit, despite having tasted hundreds of dishes."




Where is that museum located? I want to know what city I need to make an example of when I announce my plans for world domination. I think perhaps a machine that makes it rain black pepper from the skys, curing the people with constant sneezing and nose itchiness is a sufficient punishment for that atrocity.

Normally I do not believe in guilt by association, but the people of that place allowing for the celebration of such blaspheme against the culinary gods to go on in their midst makes them all complicit in the crime.

[Peelee]

Where is that museum located? I want to know what city I need to make an example of when I announce my plans for world domination. I think perhaps a machine that makes it rain black pepper from the skys, curing the people with constant sneezing and nose itchiness is a sufficient punishment for that atrocity.

Normally I do not believe in guilt by association, but the people of that place allowing for the celebration of such blaspheme against the culinary gods to go on in their midst makes them all complicit in the crime.

They just curate the food from all over. It'll all still exist (and be popular) where its from.

[Keltest]

Apparently it can always be worse.
(https://disgustingfoodmuseum.com/most-disgusting-foods-in-the-world/)


"In the tasting bar our visitors can try out about 20 items for themselves, we have seen reactions ranging from delight to outright vomiting. In fact, at the time of this writing, 108 vomits have occurred in the Disgusting Food Museum, from people from all over the world. "

" The taste is a bit sour and similar to rice wine. This Korean wine has a faint poo smell and can leave a poo smell on your breath. It contains about 9% alcohol. The smell and the visual appearance of this alcoholic drink are worse than the actual taste of it."

" There is no good explanation as to why it has to be the urine of young boys – it’s just part of the tradition."

" A German landlord evicted a tenant without notice after he opened a can of surströmming in the apartment building’s stairwell. When the landlord was taken to court, the court ruled that the termination was justified when the landlord’s attorney demonstrated their case by opening a can inside the courtroom."

" Balut is to date still the only item that has made the Disgusting Food Museum Director vomit, despite having tasted hundreds of dishes."




Its fascinating how many of those seem to involve some sort of animal cruelty.

[Rater202]

Its fascinating how many of those seem to involve some sort of animal cruelty.

Of course: It can't just be noxious odors, repugnant flavors, clashing sensations, and terrible mouhfeel.

Sometimes it needs to be disgusting on a moral or emotional level.

Like that time on that 70s Show where Hyde freaks out after realizing he just ate a crow.

"You're not supposed to eat a crow man, you just bought some bad juju on us all, we ate somebody's soul man."

[Peelee]

Its fascinating how many of those seem to involve some sort of animal cruelty.

The snake juice was the worst for me. I hate snakes, but even then they dont deserve that. Severely messed up.

[Keltest]

The snake juice was the worst for me. I hate snakes, but even then they dont deserve that. Severely messed up.

The one that involved killing a just-born goat(?) to harvest the milk from its stomach... who thinks thats a good idea?

[Rater202]

The one that involved killing a just-born goat(?) to harvest the milk from its stomach... who thinks thats a good idea?

It's the kind of thing you'd expect in one of those "small town is a front for a murder cult" horror stories.

You know, your car breaks down in a small village in the middle of nowhere and while you wait for the mechanic to come to you you stop at the inn for dinner since it's about that time and you ask what they serve and the server describes that to you and says that it's is a local favorite, especially around this time of year since making it is a big part of preparing for "The Festival" and that's the hint that if you don't get the hell out of dodge you're gonna be sacrificed or cannibalized or something.

[Batcathat]

Apparently it can always be worse.
(https://disgustingfoodmuseum.com/most-disgusting-foods-in-the-world/)

Going by name alone, I feel there's something so... unsettling about "virgin boy eggs".

And why am I not surprised Sweden makes the top ten? Why my countrymen insist on ceremonially eating rotten fish, I'll never understand. (The kindest thing I can say about surströmming is that it doesn't taste as bad as it smells, in the same way that getting kicked in the groin isn't as bad as getting stabbed in the groin).

[Peelee]

Going by name alone, I feel there's something so... unsettling about "virgin boy eggs".

And why am I not surprised Sweden makes the top ten? Why my countrymen insist on ceremonially eating rotten fish, I'll never understand. (The kindest thing I can say about surströmming is that it doesn't taste as bad as it smells, in the same way that getting kicked in the groin isn't as bad as getting stabbed in the groin).

Well go to the museum and let us know how the other 19 things taste!

[Batcathat]

Well go to the museum and let us know how the other 19 things taste!

Sure, I'll go there right after I'm finished with the museum of eating shards of glass while getting stabbed with a rusty fork.

[Peelee]

Sure, I'll go there right after I'm finished with the museum of eating shards of glass while getting stabbed with a rusty fork.

You Swedes have a museum for everything!

[DavidSh]

The one that involved killing a just-born goat(?) to harvest the milk from its stomach... who thinks thats a good idea?
Not really that different from traditional methods for creating goat's milk cheese, just outsourcing the milking of the nanny goat to the kid you are sacrificing to obtain the rennet from anyway. And not "just-born", just young enough to have fed only on its mother's milk.

[Batcathat]

You Swedes have a museum for everything!

A few years ago I did learn that there's a museum of administration and bureaucracy kinda close to where I grew up, which sounded so boring it wrapped around and became interesting. I haven't visited it, but I did ask a colleague who's a reporter in the area to write about it, at least.

[Form]

A few years ago I did learn that there's a museum of administration and bureaucracy kinda close to where I grew up, which sounded so boring it wrapped around and became interesting. I haven't visited it, but I did ask a colleague who's a reporter in the area to write about it, at least.

I'm actually legitimately interested in this now. Efficient administration and bureaucracy is pretty important and I'm curious about what processes and rules worked and which ones did not. Bringing order to chaos and all that.

[Mystic Muse]

While I know Administration and Bureacracy is actually important, I still immensely enjoy episodes of Futurama making fun of the red tape that the Central Bureaucracy makes everyone go through just because they can.

[Rater202]

While I know Administration and Bureacracy is actually important, I still immensely enjoy episodes of Futurama making fun of the red tape that the Central Bureaucracy makes everyone go through just because they can.

Remember when Hermes got demoted for finishing his job on time?

[Mystic Muse]

Remember when Hermes got demoted for finishing his job on time?

He did it too quickly, he's not a proper bureaucrat.

[LaZodiac]

Remember when Hermes got demoted for finishing his job on time?

The fact that this is a real problem from real life makes me so mad, honestly. Futurama was great but damn if it cut hard some times... and looking back at it as an adult, I can see the sharper edges more and more.

[Peelee]

The fact that this is a real problem from real life makes me so mad, honestly. Futurama was great but damn if it cut hard some times... and looking back at it as an adult, I can see the sharper edges more and more.

Crimes of the Hot was written because David X Cohen's dad asked for an episode about environmentalism. And when it came out, he called his son to say he waa happy about how scientifically accurate it was but next time maybe throw in a joke or two.

Also, my favorite bit from that episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enfe44s0ivo

[Rater202]

I mentioned it before, but I saw a video that was just things from Futurama that aged a little too well and...

Matt Groening has a reputation as a Prophet but he and his various teams just see the writing on the wall and responded to it.

[LaZodiac]

I mentioned it before, but I saw a video that was just things from Futurama that aged a little too well and...

Matt Groening has a reputation as a Prophet but he and his various teams just see the writing on the wall and responded to it.

See the secret here is that a lot of modern day problems have their origin in the past. It's not prophecy (not all the time anyway), it's generalized awareness.

Futurama's writers were a bunch of Harvard allumni who absolutely saw writing on the wall and wrote their comedy future show accordingly.

[Anonymouswizard]

Also, my favorite bit from that episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enfe44s0ivo

That's just mean, baloney has so many more uses than homeopathy.

[gomipile]

I'll have to put Futurama on my list. I've seen a lot of episodes, many of them multiple times. But I've never sat down and watched it in order.

Maybe I'll even put it on the first notional page of my list, lol.

[TaiLiu]

Well, not anymore. I feel very calm and relaxed right now.
Nice! Happy to know that.

[Anonymouswizard]

I honestly have to admit I was interested in the Barbie movie until I discovered it wasn't about a woman successful in everything (except computer science) finding love with an average but endearing marine biologist/rapper/teacher/Olympic figure skater.

Maybe I just need to watch more rom cons to scratch that itch.

[Rater202]

I'm sore in places that I didn't know could get sore.

[Peelee]

I'm sore in places that I didn't know could get sore.

In a good way, yeah?

[Rater202]

In a good way, yeah?

Given that I need to work out every day in order to maintain a proper routine, I'm going to say no.

[Peelee]

Given that I need to work out every day in order to maintain a proper routine, I'm going to say no.

You said you did research, right? Rest days are important.

[Rater202]

You said you did research, right? Rest days are important.
We had this conversation before Having a routine is important for actually doing the work. No work, no benefits.

I was careful to only do exercises where I could sleep off the strain so I could do it every day, but what I was doing wasn't enough to make meaningful progress so I had to push it.

Now I'm probably gonna be unable to fo anything with my core for the next few days which basically blows my routine straight to hell when I just got back into it.

[Keltest]

We had this conversation before Having a routine is important for actually doing the work. No work, no benefits.

I was careful to only do exercises where I could sleep off the strain so I could do it every day, but what I was doing wasn't enough to make meaningful progress so I had to push it.

Now I'm probably gonna be unable to fo anything with my core for the next few days which basically blows my routine straight to hell when I just got back into it.

And now you know why rest days are important.

[Rater202]

And now you know why rest days are important.

I don't tihnk taking a day off after every workout solves the problem of being unable to work out for several days after working out too hard for one.

Nor does it solve the problem of "if I don't have a daily routine I just won't be motivated enough to ****ing do the god damnd work."

[Batcathat]

Now I'm probably gonna be unable to fo anything with my core for the next few days which basically blows my routine straight to hell when I just got back into it.

Are you sure that's going to happen? The first time I stopped following my training routine for a few days after starting it, I was worried I'd have a hard time getting started again but it turned out to just feel so good getting back into it that it was never an issue.

I do agree with you about keeping a daily routine though. It's possible it's not ideal from a training perspective (as I too have heard of rest days), but at least now I'm mostly alternating between arms and legs on different days.

[Rater202]

Are you sure that's going to happen? The first time I stopped following my training routine for a few days after starting it, I was worried I'd have a hard time getting started again but it turned out to just feel so good getting back into it that it was never an issue.

I do agree with you about keeping a daily routine though. It's possible it's not ideal from a training perspective (as I too have heard of rest days), but at least now I'm mostly alternating between arms and legs on different days.

I literally just spent like half a month not doing my routine after several consecutive days in a row meant I coulnd't do it.

[Keltest]

I don't tihnk taking a day off after every workout solves the problem of being unable to work out for several days after working out too hard for one.

Nor does it solve the problem of "if I don't have a daily routine I just won't be motivated enough to ****ing do the god damnd work."

It dramatically changes the threshold for what "too hard" means, in your favor. If you just go every day without a rest, youre not going to recover well between workouts, and your upper limit will drop pretty sharply because youre still out of it from the last workout.

[Peelee]

We had this conversation before Having a routine is important for actually doing the work. No work, no benefits.

I was careful to only do exercises where I could sleep off the strain so I could do it every day, but what I was doing wasn't enough to make meaningful progress so I had to push it.

Now I'm probably gonna be unable to fo anything with my core for the next few days which basically blows my routine straight to hell when I just got back into it.


And now you know why rest days are important.

Exactly.

Like, dude, you said you researched and muscle burning does burn fat. That's completely correct. However, it replaced fat with muscle, which weighs more, and also is like 4-5 times less efficient at burning fat than doing cardio within the fat-burning heart-rate range. You say you want to have a routine every day, despite this being leds efficient than having a set routine on certain days every week so you can accommodate rest days.

Like, yeah, your plan will work. But its less efficient, will take longer, you'll work harder, and you'll feel worse. It's like wanting to take a cross-country trip because you've never left your hone city so you buy a cheap gas guzzler. It'll work, sure. But there are way better ways and its trivially easy to look up efficient exercises and tracking methods, and get advice on how to make routines you can stick with.

If you want to focus on fat loss by strength training with no recovery days, that's certainly your perogative.

[Rater202]

Premature arthritis Peelee.

And, being fat, my resting heart rate is higher than a healthy person's.

I can't do enough cardio to lose the weight on Cardio alone. Not without wrecking my body or pushing my heart rate above the threshold.

The muscle-building exercises are supplemental to the cardio.

I also find it to be highly unlikely that I gained roughly 20 pounds of muscle in a month of doing light cardio and then another five in two months, roughly a quarter of which I spent barely working out at all.

Edit: Semi-related, according to the high protein breakfast I just ae in the hopes of speeding up muscle recovery, my barbecue sauce turned out perfectly despite my having forgotten a verse from the Song of The Witches.

[Keltest]

Premature arthritis Peelee.

And, being fat, my resting heart rate is higher than a healthy person's.

I can't do enough cardio to lose the weight on Cardio alone. Not without wrecking my body or pushing my heart rate above the threshold.

The muscle-building exercises are supplemental to the cardio.

I also find it to be highly unlikely that I gained roughly 20 pounds of muscle in a month of doing light cardio and then another five in two months, roughly a quarter of which I spent barely working out at all.

Edit: Semi-related, according to the high protein breakfast I just ae in the hopes of speeding up muscle recovery, my barbecue sauce turned out perfectly despite my having forgotten a verse from the Song of The Witches.

Rater, this isn't something you can negotiate away because its inconvenient. You have already hurt yourself trying to do that. You will either learn to adapt and incorporate the rest days or you will end up in the hospital because you hurt yourself too badly to recover from on your own. I appreciate that it becomes harder without the routine. But doing it this way will hurt you, very badly.

[Rater202]

Rater, this isn't something you can negotiate away because its inconvenient. You have already hurt yourself trying to do that. You will either learn to adapt and incorporate the rest days or you will end up in the hospital because you hurt yourself too badly to recover from on your own. I appreciate that it becomes harder without the routine. But doing it this way will hurt you, very badly.

Not harder: Impossible.

If I don't do it ever day it will take me weeks to motivate myself to get started again. It's already happened once in the last three months.

And I'm not exactly asking for advice, I'm bellyaching because my attempts to adjust in response to lack of results resulted in an injury and I can't adjust that for the few days it'll take to recover, by which time my motivation will be shot so it could well be a month before I get this fixed.

And like... I don't have access to a pool. Or an elliptical machine. Or free weights.

I have a set of pedals on the floor and a yard I can't walk in due to extreme photosensitivity and a bunch of chickens that don't respond to me and a stepfather who gets pissy whenever I try to get up and walk around and doesn't believe in the existence of said photosensitivity.

I also have really bad knees and ankles that are almost as bad which drastically limits how much cardio I can do in a day if I want to avoid having my knees replaced before I hit middle age.

[Keltest]

Not harder: Impossible.

If I don't do it ever day it will take me weeks to motivate myself to get started again. It's already happened once in the last three months.

And I'm not exactly asking for advice, I'm bellyaching because my attempts to adjust in response to lack of results resulted in an injury and I can't adjust that for the few days it'll take to recover, by which time my motivation will be shot so it could well be a month before I get this fixed.

And like... I don't have access to a pool. Or an elliptical machine. Or free weights.

I have a set of pedals on the floor and a yard I can't walk in due to extreme photosensitivity and a bunch of chickens that don't respond to me and a stepfather who gets pissy whenever I try to get up and walk around and doesn't believe in the existence of said photosensitivity.

I also have really bad knees and ankles that are almost as bad which drastically limits how much cardio I can do in a day if I want to avoid having my knees replaced before I hit middle age.

Rater, just for context, I was born with an ankle deformity that severely limits how hard I can go doing things like, for example, running. I will never be an athlete, I won't join the military (not that I'm all that broken up about that) and cardio sucks to even think about. So understand that while I absolutely understand and do have a ton of sympathy for you... I don't have a lot of sympathy for you. You're making excuses, and you know you're doing it. Those are all problems you can work around. If you genuinely don't want to do it, thats a choice you are allowed to make, but you need to be honest with yourself about it either way. If complaining about how it sucks helps motivate you, cool! Do it! As long as you aren't saying 'I can't do this" because its a lie that you will want to hide behind to get out of it.

[Rater202]

I am not making excuses. I am explaining why your advice is unhelpful.

I have problems. I am trying to do what I can in regard to those problems.

You are insisting that I am doing it wrong and that I need to do things that I know for a fact will injure me far worse or cause worse long-term problems by ignoring my existing problems in order to deal with the problems instead of doing anything actually helpful.

[Anonymouswizard]

Build a routine including rest days. Yes it's harder, yes you'll almost certainly fall off several times and have to start all over again. The advice I've always been given is to stick close to two days with exercise followed by one day's rest. But if you're calling it impossible then you've already failed, whether that's by not exercising at all or by exercising every day.

I'm sure that anybody who exercises for a living would smack you upside the head for being an idiot if you continue as you are.

Impossible is me spontaneously growing female sexual characteristics. Unlikely is DataNinja going on a date with Emma Watson (she's pretty but nowhere near Data's league). Difficult and annoying is where you are.

It's not like you live alone, so use that to build a support network for your exercise. Make a calendar of when you're going to exercise and rest then have somebody else check you're following it if that'll help.

[LaZodiac]

Y'all probably need to get off Rater's back, I think. If you really want whats best for the guy let him make his own choices.

Anyway I got an invite to the blueski ap, so now I can fail to make myself look appealing on TWO blue hell-sites. Hell yeah :smallcool:

[Keltest]

Y'all probably need to get off Rater's back, I think. If you really want whats best for the guy let him make his own choices.

Anyway I got an invite to the blueski ap, so now I can fail to make myself look appealing on TWO blue hell-sites. Hell yeah :smallcool:

I actually like Rater, so I'm disinclined to let him go about seriously hurting himself if I have a say in the matter. Maybe he'll ignore me, which is his right, but talk is cheap and I have words to spare.

Also congrats!

[Rater202]

Build a routine including rest days. How do you think I know that I can't? Have you been operating on the assumption that I haven't tried?

I knew based on previous experiences in my life that if I don't do something every day it's impossible for me to stick to the routine.

My recent experience of demotivation is just more data supporting that conclusion.

[Peelee]

I am not making excuses. I am explaining why your advice is unhelpful.

I have problems. I am trying to do what I can in regard to those problems.

You are insisting that I am doing it wrong and that I need to do things that I know for a fact will injure me far worse or cause worse long-term problems by ignoring my existing problems in order to deal with the problems instead of doing anything actually helpful.

We are insisting you are doing it wrong because you are doing it wrong. Not having rest days has a very high probability to result in injury. Let's ignore that its exceedingly inefficient and yoi will be working harder to achieve less gains. You will hurt yourself.

I'm not really pushing on anything else. But no rest days is 100% doing it wrong.

[Rater202]

We are insisting you are doing it wrong because you are doing it wrong. Not having rest days has a very high probability to result in injury. Let's ignore that its exceedingly inefficient and yoi will be working harder to achieve less gains. You will hurt yourself.

I'm not really pushing on anything else. But no rest days is 100% doing it wrong.

As I have explained more than once, the alternative is not doing it at all. Doing it inefficiently is infinitely better than not doing it, yes?

I can moderate my exercises so that I won't need rest days. I have been for all this time.

I just pushed myself too hard once. The solution to that is to dial it back down a little bit, not abscond my routine entirely for something that I know won't work, nor to relace my current exercises with ones that I know will cause me long-term injury.

[Anonymouswizard]

How do you think I know that I can't? Have you been operating on the assumption that I haven't tried?

For this? Yes, you've made it pretty clear you've been operating under a 'no rest days' system.

For other things? Who the **** knows! Maybe you tried taking a rest day from gardening two years ago and it killed your ability to do it for six months (actual example is arbitrary). But you have tools and other people to help you (and if they care about your health they will). So you fell off the train 99 times, but that doesn't mean you'll fall off the 100th time, and hopefully you'll be healthier for it.

[Keltest]

As I have explained more than once, the alternative is not doing it at all. Doing it inefficiently is infinitely better than not doing it, yes?

I can moderate my exercises so that I won't need rest days. I have been for all this time.

I just pushed myself too hard once. The solution to that is to dial it back down a little bit, not abscond my routine entirely for something that I know won't work, nor to relace my current exercises with ones that I know will cause me long-term injury.

No, it is not better. Not when the result is hurting yourself. If you genuinely, sincerely, not-making-excuses cannot make yourself include rest days, you need to stop entirely. Trying to push through it is "fork in an electric outlet" stupid. Talk to your doctor and ask if theres an alternative that might be more feasible. But do not continue to hurt yourself.

[Anonymouswizard]

No, it is not better. Not when the result is hurting yourself. If you genuinely, sincerely, not-making-excuses cannot make yourself include rest days, you need to stop entirely. Trying to push through it is "fork in an electric outlet" stupid. Talk to your doctor and ask if theres an alternative that might be more feasible. But do not continue to hurt yourself.

I take offence to that comparison, UK plug sockets are fork-resistant! You need at least two forks to get shocked!


Also yes, Rater talk to your doctor and trust Qualified Medical Advice over Some Idiots On The Internet. But I suspect they're not going to be thrilled with your current plan.

[Rater202]

No, it is not better. Not when the result is hurting yourself. If you genuinely, sincerely, not-making-excuses cannot make yourself include rest days, you need to stop entirely. Trying to push through it is "fork in an electric outlet" stupid. Talk to your doctor and ask if theres an alternative that might be more feasible. But do not continue to hurt yourself.

I have gone three months without hurting myself.

I pushed myself too hard once.

I know what I'm doing.

The alternative would be to change my diet but... I can't afford to do that anymore than I already have.

I can't do any exercises that require leaving the house or equipment other than what I have.

It's either keep doing what I've been doing... Or do nothing.

Edit: also I did tell my doctor what exercises I was doing and that I was doing them every day and there were no complaints.

And doing nothing is gonna put me in an early grave.