Actors/Actresses who get way too much hype

[VetMichael]

Okay, first off, let me preface this by saying that this is not my own "This actor sucks" page, but rather my pop-culture pressure valve, particularly after having seen the commercials for I Am Legend. Here we go, a non-comprehensive list of who I am sick and tired of and why, feel free to add, comment, or disagree:

1) Will Smith: You know, Men In Black was funny, MIB II was a waste, I became upset at I Robot (mostly because it had NOTHING to do with the book except a shared title and the vaguely-menacing "robots out to kill humans" plot). I saw a commercial for I Am Legend, a really cool graphic novel about a guy who's holed up in his house, trying to survive/stem the tide of a "Vampire" epidemic. Will Smith gets cast, and it becomes a New York City-centric rehash of 28 Days Later (which was awesome with the alternate/European ending, thank you!)

2) Tom Cruise: I never really got into the whole "cocky young guy" role he repeats ad-nauseum (cocky young kid: Risky Business, cocky young fighter pilot: Top Gun, cocky young lawyer: The Firm, cocky young bartender: Cocktail, etc...) but this whole business with Mission Impossible, particularly MI:2, with the duelling motorcycles and wire-fighting baloney.... :xykon: MEH But for some reason, everyone goes ape over this guy: who he's marrying, who he's keeping prisoner in a Scientologist cult/commune... Who cares and WHY???

3) Johnny Depp: I saw the clips for Sweeny Todd and thought: "where have I ever heard that slightly drunk, vaguely-British accent before...gee, it seems so familiar...hmmm..." mystery solved when the clip was IMMEDIATELY followed by an ad for Pirates of the Carribean: At World's End - BINGO!!! C'mon! okay Depp, we get that you love to play quirky, odd, psychotic, and/or inhuman characters - are you TRYING to live down the whole 21 Jump Street thing still??

4) Adam Sandler: I know I'm going to draw a ton of heat for this pick, but there it is: most of his movies are moronic: Happy Gilmore, Mr. Deeds, Big Daddy, 8 Crazy Nights, Click.... hated them all, and more so because every frat boy on my campus seems to revere them and quote them endlessly, even in the most inappropriate of situations (before Halloween, some kid tried to buy alcohol for the huge block party near the University, but was denied. As he was being escorted from the store, screaming at the manager that he really was 21 and that the mgr had made a "big mistake" his buddy chimes in with "The price is wrong, B!tc#" - wtf??))

[SpoonlessJedi]

Keanu Reeves: Stands with a blank look on his face and occasionally mumbles "I know kung fu." Is, in fact, not hot.

[Rutee]

Nicholas Cage. How is this guy typecast as playboys when he personally isn't sexy, and his characters, while generally pithy, aren't terribly charming either?

THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE.

[Serpentine]

3) Johnny Depp: I saw the clips for Sweeny Todd and thought: "where have I ever heard that slightly drunk, vaguely-British accent before...gee, it seems so familiar...hmmm..." mystery solved when the clip was IMMEDIATELY followed by an ad for Pirates of the Carribean: At World's End - BINGO!!! C'mon! okay Depp, we get that you love to play quirky, odd, psychotic, and/or inhuman characters - are you TRYING to live down the whole 21 Jump Street thing still??While I was honestly expecting him to be in this thread as soon as I saw it, and probably deservedly so - I know I tend to gush a bit - I don't think it's very fair to criticise him for choosing fun, interesting roles. I do wonder, though... it does seem like he's starting to get a bit typecast, if not in the usual way. He does do creepy so very well, though.

You want to talk about people unjustly placed in the playboy role? Ben Stiller. He's short, ugly, has horrible posture, and is entirely lacking in charm, all his characters are horrible little twerps, and a lot of the time he seems to exchange "funny" for "awkward and painful".

Can we mention actors we think are unfairly maligned? If so, I think Leonardo de Caprio is picked on somewhat (maybe not so much in recent years, but he has been). People seem to dismiss him as a useless pretty-boy teenage heart-throb, but if you actually look through his roles (not including The Beach, because 1. I haven't seen it and 2. I hear it's horrible), he's actually a very good actor, and has taken on some pretty interesting roles.

[Mewtarthio]

Will Ferrel. I've never found his movies all that funny. At least, not when he has a starring role: He works just fine as a supporting character.

Shia LaBeouf. It was funny to see the kid from Even Steven in an actual movie. That movie was I, Robot. Note how his entire purpose in the movie is for us to laugh at his pathetic attempts at being serious. Then he got what they claimed was a starring role in Transformers (a blatant lie: The movie had no characters). Note how he spends all his time running around with the MacGuffin, generally displaying incompotence and failing to be serious. Then I heard he was going to be in Indiana Jones 4. When I saw that blurb on the cover of a magazine, I literally burst out laughing in the middle of the store at the sheer ridiculousness of the idea... before I was informed he would be Indiana's son. I cannot, in any way, picture Shia LaBeouf in an Indiana Jones movie. His past performance has not led me to believe that he could do an action/adventure movie. Heck, I'd have my doubts about putting him in a Roger Moore-era Bond film! That's right: I don't consider him serious enough for a movie set in the 1960's about a guy trying to purge the world of all human scum (which, sadly, aptly describes more than one Roger Moore-era Bond film).

Re: Your choices:

I was never under the impression that anyone worships Tom Cruise all that much. I always figured people just liked to make fun of him.

As for Johnny Depp, you have to remember that this guy is friends with Tim Burton. He's got to have some deep psychological issues. Of course, that's not meant as a slight to Tim Burton at all; I think it's a very good thing when an artist is insane.

There's no possible way I can defend Adam Sandler. Ever. Especially not since that horrific Anger Management movie (since when was provoking a man who's trying to make amends for his former violent life into attacking you by bragging about raping his sister funny?), but even before that I never liked his movies.

I'm meh about Will Smith. Seeing his name on a movie doesn't effect my intention of seeing it in the slightest. Granted, it helps that I automatically assume that all Hollywood adaptations are just movies that stole titles from other works and then implemented a few token concepts. Take I, Robot, for instance:

[Rutee]

While I was honestly expecting him to be in this thread as soon as I saw it, and probably deservedly so - I know I tend to gush a bit - I don't think it's very fair to criticise him for choosing fun, interesting roles. I do wonder, though... it does seem like he's starting to get a bit typecast, if not in the usual way. He does do creepy so very well, though.
It dates back at least as long as Edward Scissorhands.. it's kinda more that people recognize him, then that he's recently started doing it, I feel. But no, I don't mind that he likes playing weird, goofy roles, because he's so /good/ at it.



You want to talk about people unjustly placed in the playboy role? Ben Stiller. He's short, ugly, has horrible posture, and is entirely lacking in charm, all his characters are horrible little twerps, and a lot of the time he seems to exchange "funny" for "awkward and painful".

Thank you for reminding me. Is this just what guys think we like or is it because they've been doing it so long that hollywood doesn't question it anymore?

[Serpentine]

It dates back at least as long as Edward Scissorhands.. it's kinda more that people recognize him, then that he's recently started doing it, I feel. But no, I don't mind that he likes playing weird, goofy roles, because he's so /good/ at it.Ah, good point. I probably shouldn't have bothered with the "starting to be".


Thank you for reminding me. Is this just what guys think we like or is it because they've been doing it so long that hollywood doesn't question it anymore?For some reason, it's his posture, especially, that really gets to me... For the record, I quite liked There's Something About Mary, and Weird Little Twerp may well have been the role required... but couldn't he have just stood up straight?!

[Rare Pink Leech]

Can we mention actors we think are unfairly maligned? If so, I think Leonardo de Caprio is picked on somewhat (maybe not so much in recent years, but he has been). People seem to dismiss him as a useless pretty-boy teenage heart-throb, but if you actually look through his roles (not including The Beach, because 1. I haven't seen it and 2. I hear it's horrible), he's actually a very good actor, and has taken on some pretty interesting roles.

I agree with you completely. In Titanic he might have just been a teenage heart-throb, but he has starred in some very good movies. Not only that, but he actually acts.

I'm tempted to say that no actor or actress in any way deserves all the hype that is given to them. I can't stand our celebrity-obsessed culture.

Some people who make me very much not want to watch their movies: Tom Cruise, Halle Berry, Nicholas Cage, Ashley Judd (is she still acting?), and a few others I can't think of right now. For the most part they just bug me.

[VetMichael]

Some people who make me very much not want to watch their movies: ... Halle Berry, Nicholas Cage

Halle Berry has NEVER been a good actress (Catwoman, anyone?) and she only got that Oscar for pretending to rut like a minx with Billy Bob Thorton...

I agree totally with Rutee - Gone in 60 seconds, National Treasure, and Ghost Rider were complete Cage vehicles and completely horrible movies. The only movie with Cage in it that I liked was Raising Arizona despite him being in it.


Billy Bob Thorton - all I can say is WTF??? - how did HE become a star (yeah, yeah the whole Slingblade thing :xykon: MEH

[Nerd-o-rama]

All of them. Except non-Japanese voice actors.

[Amotis]

Nicholas Cage. How is this guy typecast as playboys when he personally isn't sexy, and his characters, while generally pithy, aren't terribly charming either?

THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE.

Seriously. I do not watch any Cage movies anymore. His face annoys me. Yeah that sounds immature. But when he has ONE FACIAL EXPRESSION then it's a MAJOR PROBLEM.

CRUISE CONTROL.

[averagejoe]

All of them. Except non-Japanese voice actors.

Quoted for truth, and pretty much what I was going to say. I didn't think about the voice actors, though. Good call.

[factotum]

I'd actually say that Tom Cruise is maybe unfairly maligned. When he's playing a role that doesn't rely mainly on his pretty-boy looks (Minority Report, Collateral, and even to some extent Legend, one of his first movies) he's actually not such a bad actor.

Keanu Reeves, on the other hand, I would definitely agree is a waste of blood and organs...

[The_Snark]

Keanu Reeves, on the other hand, I would definitely agree is a waste of blood and organs...

Maligned!

... well, a little. He was good as Ted. He did a funny spastic, out-of-it kid. I honestly can't recall seeing him in anything other than the Matrix, in which he was mediocre. I might have seen other movies with him in it, but I don't pay very much attention to actors and celebrities, so I easily might not have noticed.

But I do feel I must point out that he had a moment of pretty good-ness in his youth with Bill and Ted. So it wasn't a total waste.

[Kaelaroth]

I think Lindsay Lohan has acted. And you should all know about her... :smalleek: :smallfurious: :smalleek:

Meanwhile, Christopher Lee is really beginning to wear on me. Admittedly, he was good in the old days as the scary guy or the wizened old dude. Nowadays, he is always the mysterious, ancient villain whom everyone is terrified of - even though he might just be good (but is actually EVIL). To name three examples: Count Dooku, or Darth Tyranus, Lord Boreal, of The Golden Compass, and Saruman, of LotR. not that this is entirey his fault, but he could at least try for something fresh.

[Darken Rahl]

I believe you need to watch more Chris Lee movies. He was mediocre in most of them.

[....]

1) Will Smith: I saw a commercial for I Am Legend, a really cool graphic novel about a guy who's holed up in his house, trying to survive/stem the tide of a "Vampire" epidemic.


I'd like to point out that I Am Legend is not, in fact, a gaphic novel. It may have been made into one, but it is a short story written by Richard Matheson. And so far every preview I've seen for the movie has looked spot on for the events in the book, aside from the fact that Will Smith is black, has an M-4, and a dog.

[Tweekinator]

Christopher Lee is Dracula! He's starred in more Dracula films/mini-series than I thought existed.

To add to the list: Angelina Jolie. She sucks as an actress, her main selling point(look at how hot I am!) doesn't work, because she just isn't.

[Tweekinator]

I'd like to point out that I Am Legend is not, in fact, a gaphic novel. It may have been made into one, but it is a short story written by Richard Matheson. And so far every preview I've seen for the movie has looked spot on for the events in the book, aside from the fact that Will Smith is black, has an M-4, and a dog.

Well, Neville had a dog for little bit in the book. And why is he sleeping in the bathtub? I will see it if just to find the answer to that question.

[Premsyl]

Dwayne Johnson a.k.a. "The Rock"

Enough is enough. Raise your eyebrow, say stupid one liners, and get paid already. No more movies, please.

Also Vince Vaughn, as sad as it makes me to say. It feels like each individual role he plays is the same guy in a different movie. Change it up, fella.

[Jibar]

I'd like to point out that I Am Legend is not, in fact, a gaphic novel. It may have been made into one, but it is a short story written by Richard Matheson.

Ugh, thank you.
So few people seem to know this, it's really starting to annoy me.
I've seen none of the trailers yet, so I'm left wondering if they're going to attempt to scientifically explain vampirism as well.

To add to the list; Orlando Bloom. Yes, you're pretty. Just stop trying to be as badass as Aragorn and Jack, and stick with films like Elizabethtown. Please.
(By the by, I actually enjoyed Elizabethtown. It made me smile. Plus it had Mary Jane, so all is good.)

[Nerd-o-rama]

To add to the list: Angelina Jolie. She sucks as an actress, her main selling point(look at how hot I am!) doesn't work, because she just isn't.
The second part is an opinion I disagree with (especially in her early movies), but yes, she is a bad actress.

[Old_el_Paso]

Keanu Reeves: Stands with a blank look on his face and occasionally mumbles "I know kung fu." Is, in fact, not hot.
Keanu Reeves is a homosexual. And I mean that literally. He really is.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Keanu Reeves is a homosexual. And I mean that literally. He really is.

...and this effects his acting skill or how hyped he is in what way?

[Mr._Blinky]

Keanu Reeves is a homosexual. And I mean that literally. He really is.
And how is this relevant in any way?

[Kitya]

I have to admit, Cage is starting to grow on me. I didn't like him for the longest time, and then I saw The Rock, which I enjoyed, despite him... and over time, he grew on me. I actually liked him in National Treasure and Ghost Rider.

I am not a big fan of most everyone else that has been listed already. The one that I know I'm going to get yelled at, that I don't like, is Tom Hanks. I don't even know what it is about him, but I can not stand his movies. Hated Sleepless, hated Forrest, just never really cared for him. The only Hanks movie that I ever enjoyed was the Apollo movie.

[Altair_the_Vexed]

...and this effects his acting skill or how hyped he is in what way?
Quite.

I find myself agreeing with most of the other posts, though.

Me, I can't stand Tarantino. Get back behind the camera, you moon-faced doofus. At least then you're marginally capable of entertainment.

Travolta, too. Pulp Fiction didn't make you actually cool. The movie was cool. You were in the movie. You aren't - in and of yourself - cool. Or funny.

Liv bloody Tyler. You are not an elf. You sound like you're in slow motion. That's not acting. You can't speak Quenya to save your not-particularly-worthy life.

[....]

Well, Neville had a dog for little bit in the book. And why is he sleeping in the bathtub? I will see it if just to find the answer to that question.


The dog was never a very faithful companion, and died within a week or so.

And I think that shot of him in the tub is probably from early on in the movie, when he hasn't fortified his house yet. He was either doing it in hopes that the tub would deafen some of the noise, or might be trying to hide.

Mostly I think it was just supposed to be a powerful image.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Cage is alright when he's not in a film that's trying to be serious. He's a capable stand-in for someone with talent in a popcorn film (The Rock, National Treasure.) Of course, The Rock had Sean Connery, who has enough awesome for two people, so that helped.

Connery might be an exception to my previous contribution to the topic. He's still probably overrated, but damn if he doesn't have presence.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I hate Robin Williams. Not seriously, but he annoys me.

Johnny Depp isn't bad. He has range. Compare him in Sleepy Hollow to him in Pirates of the Caribean (the original one, where he was interpreting lines interestingly rather than having over the top lines given to him). It really is amazing how many differant flavours of deranged sociopath he can put across.

Julia Roberts annoys me but only in large quantities.

I like Bill Nighy, but why on earth he is in everything now? Bill Nighy has been a sea monster, a zombie, a vampire, a Nazi, an alien, a policeman, and a politician. Is he trying to beat Christopher Lee in how many monsters he's played? He just needs to be a wizard, a pagan cult leader, a Sith and Frankenstein's monster.

[RyQ_TMC]

My opinion is that there is too much emphasis on character actors, regardless of their actual skill. Depp, Ford and Connery (to name just a few) are insanely good at playing certain roles, which are often plainly unrealistic, but enjoyable to watch. But when put in a different role, they fail miserably. One example would be Depp in "Secret Window" - seriously, the whole movie was actually saved by John Turturro (who, I believe, is grossly underrated).

But it's the stuff of Hollywood. Once some actor shines unexpectedly, they milk him for all it's worth, and hype, hype, hype, until you are afraid to open the fridge.

What annoys me even more than overhyping is that at some point, even truly great actors become just vehicles for selling mediocre movies. Nicholson is probably the prime example, but Hopkins and Brando can also be quoted. At some point, they just stopped trying. Even Morgan Freeman, who for a long time seemed for some reason to be immune to this.

The problem is that as long as we treat actors like demigods, this phenomena WILL contitnue. This is sad.

[Mr._Blinky]

Cage is alright when he's not in a film that's trying to be serious. He's a capable stand-in for someone with talent in a popcorn film (The Rock, National Treasure.) Of course, The Rock had Sean Connery, who has enough awesome for two people, so that helped.

Connery might be an exception to my previous contribution to the topic. He's still probably overrated, but damn if he doesn't have presence.

Him as a dragon in Dragonheart made that movie. :smallbiggrin:

[RyQ_TMC]

Him as a dragon in Dragonheart made that movie. :smallbiggrin:

I second that.

[VetMichael]

You know, I had just mentioned the whole I Am Legend rant to a friend (PhD in English) who pointed out the story was actually a short story first as well, so all you who pointed that out as well stand in good company :smallbiggrin:


Ben Kingsley needs to be put on the probational section of this list; I loved him in Ghandi, and Sexy Beast to name a few but he is NOT above "Paycheck" roles either - Blood Rayne anyone?

[....]

You know, I had just mentioned the whole I Am Legend rant to a friend (PhD in English) who pointed out the story was actually a short story first as well, so all you who pointed that out as well stand in good company :smallbiggrin:

I also don't see where you're getting the 28 Days Later rehash idea.

I can't remember if Neville was actually in New York, but he was near a big city, and did go there to get supplies during the day. There was a lot more to the story than just him sitting in his house shooting vampires.

[Arameus]

Julia Roberts, despite being the highest-paid actress in Hollywood, could not act her way out of a wet paper bag. And she's just revolting to look at! Evry time she opens her enormous mouth, I'm afraid the vacuum it creates will swallow the more-talented actors around her!

She is frequently the worst aspect in any otherwise-high-quality film she stars in, and that she continues to enjoy such success is a testament to Hollywood's absolute hatred of women who could actually act better than the male leads, the hiring of which might change casting and writing decisions, thus destroying the world.


Johnny Depp isn't bad. He has range. Compare him in Sleepy Hollow to him in Pirates of the Caribean (the original one, where he was interpreting lines interestingly rather than having over the top lines given to him). It really is amazing how many differant flavours of deranged sociopath he can put across.

I would posit range as his worst aspect; yes, those two roles were different, but his role in Sleepy Hollow was very poor. The quality of range is the ability to play many varied roles well, not merely to play them.

Johnny Depp is a very entertaining actor, but he has a very limited range. His role in the Pirates movies was dynamite, and he deserves all the praise he gets for it. But in serious roles, all his faults come out. He's actually very boring when he's not fighting undead sea mutants

A good example is The Ninth Gate: This movie would have been one of the most haunting, horrifying horror films in memory with anyone else as the male lead. But Johnny Depp is completely incapable of the kind of deep emotional content that that role needed, and many of the scenes suffered for it. When the antagonists completes the Satanic ritual and sets himself aflame, one of the highpoints of the movie, Depp's facial expression is so goofy that you can't help but think he's watching two turkeys play bagpipes instead of a man burning himself alive. I don't think he had more than three facial expressions for the whole movie, come to think of it.

That's actually worth pointing out: Depp's portrayals of many, many different characters are so similar that over time his roles no longer elicit the thought "Oh, that's Sweeny Todd," and just think "Huh, it's Johnny Depp in eye makeup." He should stick to what he does best; there's no reason to bog down his own career and flaw movies where he knows he doesn't belong, especially considering how great he can be in the right place.

[dehro]

Keanu Reeves: Stands with a blank look on his face and occasionally mumbles "I know kung fu." Is, in fact, not hot.

I laughed quite a bit at this.. sooo true


johnny depp I like, a bit tipecast, but good at it.
nicholas cage... mmmh dunno..
angelina jolie is/was hot..seriously..she is...not a good actress, but when has that ever mattered:smallbiggrin: ?
Tom Cruise..I despise the person and think he's a decent actor, nothing more. he does have a very good manager though, since he has almost always chosen good movies to be in.
Adam Sandler... I'm quite sure that half of the actors guild could play his roles better than he does. he's competent and delivers the job..but so does a plumber.
Robin Williams? no, seriously, I quite like him.
Dwaine the rock Johnson I liked to bits, in his selfmocking role in "be cool".. seriously, he was funny and I got to like the persona behind it... though I haven't seen the rest of his movies so I can't really judge. (then again, how good an actor do you need to be if to star in a 90' long shootout? I don't see him being offered shakespearean roles and untill this happens and he flunkes it, I'll withold judgement)
Robert DeNiro... seriously...it seems to me that his most recent roles are tailored to exploit his fame.. he seems to me like the caricature of himself rather than the impersonation of the roles he's supposed to act. I love his previous works, most of them if not all, but lately you find him mostly spoofing himself, I think.

want to talk about bad acting? J-lo!!! seriously... she has one and only one facial expression... to change it you'd have to beat a new expression into her with a baseball bat..

[LolCowgirl]

In defense of Adam standler, Reign on Me proves the guy can actaully play a deep character. Even if that character isn't quite there, if you know what I mean.

I'd like to add Kira Nightly to the list. That woman is a freakin' robot. She only used one expression, and delievers her lines in a calm, emotionless tone. It's creepy, and cares about any of the characters she plays. Seriously, Hollywood, robots can't act!

[Arameus]

Don't be so sure that robots can't act; the animatronic dinosaurs from Jurassic Park can act circles around many of the 'actors' on this list.

Think about how much better the Matrix would have been if Neo was, instead of Keanu Reeves, the Tyrannosaurus Rex. I'm going to give that about 5 seconds to reall sink in.

See what I mean? Yeah. T-Rex all the way.

[Serpentine]

Keanu Reeves is a homosexual. And I mean that literally. He really is.
Looking at Wikipedia, it looks like he keeps his private life private enough that such comments are speculative at best. If you really, really think such a comment is necessary, at least give some sort of evidence (and gossip rags don't count), lest you someday be accused of slander.
He also seems like a pretty nice guy...


To add to the list; Orlando Bloom. Yes, you're pretty. Just stop trying to be as badass as Aragorn and Jack, and stick with films like Elizabethtown. Please.
Mmm. It really did seem like his whole love story was there just so there'd actually be a movie in which Johnny Depp/Jack Sparrow could be displayed...

The spitting dinosaur would make a great comic relief.

[Turcano]

Keanu Reeves: Stands with a blank look on his face and occasionally mumbles "I know kung fu." Is, in fact, not hot.

Why are you nominating him? I was under the impression that most people see him for what he is: a talentless hack that makes blocks of wood and sometimes granite seem animated.

[Jibar]

I also don't see where you're getting the 28 Days Later rehash idea.

Well according to wikipedia, Neville now was part of the research team that made the virus that turns people into vampires.
So yeah, yeah I see where he's getting that from.
So, we're again missing out on a good I Am Legend film.

And now for the list;
Actually, I really want to say Sir Ian McKellen, but I saw him in King Lear the other day, and I now think that he's not only underhyped, but isn't getting any of the roles he truly deserves.

[TheThan]

Kevin Costner is just blech, he can’t act, and he certainly can’t direct. He was good in maybe two movies, Robin Hood: prince of theives, and Silverado.

[VetMichael]

I also don't see where you're getting the 28 Days Later rehash idea.
I can't remember if Neville was actually in New York, but he was near a big city, and did go there to get supplies during the day. There was a lot more to the story than just him sitting in his house shooting vampires.


The commercial shows him (Will Smith) running from hordes of formerly-human, blood-thirsty undead that were created by the inadvertent release of a virus...

I know there's a lot more subtlety in the book, but the commercials sure don't convey that. Instead it looks like that British movie where hordes of formerly-human, blood-thirsty undead that were created by the inadvertent release of a virus...

[Closet_Skeleton]

The commercial shows him (Will Smith) running from hordes of formerly-human, blood-thirsty undead that were created by the inadvertent release of a virus...

I know there's a lot more subtlety in the book, but the commercials sure don't convey that. Instead it looks like that British movie where hordes of formerly-human, blood-thirsty undead that were created by the inadvertent release of a virus...

But 28 days later is a developement of the zombie film, which was started by George Romero (pre-Romero zombie films have nothing to do with viruses or cannabalism), who admits he read I am Legend before he started making films.

I am Legend is unoriginal, but 28 days later is also unoriginal.

[Ishmael]

Actually, I really want to say Sir Ian McKellen, but I saw him in King Lear the other day, and I now think that he's not only underhyped, but isn't getting any of the roles he truly deserves.

Sir Ian McKellen is amazing. Most of us know him from a few roles alone, namely that of Gandalf. But, he's truly a Shakespearean actor at heart.

[Rogue 7]

I've always thought that Will Smith's a great actor. He does comedy great- ever seen The Fresh Prince of Bel Air? But other than that, he's done enough serious work that I like him well- The Pursuit of Happiness he acted very well in.

[Arameus]

Pursuit of Happyness was an incredible movie, and Will Smith did a damn fine job in it. All the more since it's a true story.

Actually, when Chris Gardner was told that Will Smith would portray him in the movie based on his autobiography, he was really wary of the choice. He replied something on the lines of "There weren't any aliens in my book."

I can only hope the end result brought him around. :smallbiggrin:

[VetMichael]

I am Legend is unoriginal, but 28 days later is also unoriginal.


I was actually saying that the commercial with Wil Smith in it made I Am Legend look like 28 Days Later - movie to movie comparison. But I agree with your point.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Sean Conery cannot act. He can merely say lines interestingly. Sean Conery only ever plays 1 role, himself. He not Keanu Reeves bad, but if you've seen Conery in one film you know what to expect.

[Tweekinator]

Well according to wikipedia, Neville now was part of the research team that made the virus that turns people into vampires.
So yeah, yeah I see where he's getting that from.
So, we're again missing out on a good I Am Legend film.


Nooooooooooo! He was a blue collar factory worker! Next, they won't have Ben Cortman in it.

Oh, and I think in the story he may have been around in California, because he mentions going to Inglewood and I believe that's in California.

[VetMichael]

Sean Conery cannot act. He can merely say lines interestingly. Sean Conery only ever plays 1 role, himself. He not Keanu Reeves bad, but if you've seen Conery in one film you know what to expect.


I watched The Wind and the Lion (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073906/)the other day, where he plays Mulay Achmed Mohammed el-Raisuli the Magnificent - a Moroccan! This coupled with his "performance" as the Spaniard immortal, Ramirez, in Highlander in the same night. Or as a Soviet submarine commander in Hunt for Red October...It was the same kinda-Scottish brogue to portray a "foreigner" for the American audience. Pretty sad, really, because he CAN be a good actor in some roles.

[rubakhin]

Do fashion models count? It's a form of acting. I really hate Sasha Pivovarova. Everything she poses in, she makes completely uninteresting and awkward. She has no expression, and her features are boring. In most shoots she's in, they have to put all this makeup on her to keep one's eyes from sliding right off her face, so that she looks like a technicolor clown. (http://i1.tinypic.com/6ozafzm.jpg) That makeup is totally inappropriate for that shoot, but they put it on anyway because otherwise we'd look right past her.

Plus, even without the makeup on, she's scary looking. (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1965/sasha19tc.png)

[Tweekinator]

Do fashion models count? It's a form of acting. I really hate Sasha Pivovarova. Everything she poses in, she makes completely uninteresting and awkward. She has no expression, and her features are boring. In most shoots she's in, they have to put all this makeup on her to keep one's eyes from sliding right off her face, so that she looks like a technicolor clown. (http://i1.tinypic.com/6ozafzm.jpg) That makeup is totally inappropriate for that shoot, but they put it on anyway because otherwise we'd look right past her.

Plus, even without the makeup on, she's scary looking. (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1965/sasha19tc.png)

Gah! The elbows and shoulders, they're spikes! It's like a skeleton put on a skin suit and decided it liked fashion. She must have taken her parents telling her not to waste her food because children are starving in Ethiopia a little too seriously.

[VetMichael]

Do fashion models count? It's a form of acting. I really hate Sasha Pivovarova. Everything she poses in, she makes completely uninteresting and awkward. She has no expression, and her features are boring. In most shoots she's in, they have to put all this makeup on her to keep one's eyes from sliding right off her face, so that she looks like a technicolor clown. (http://i1.tinypic.com/6ozafzm.jpg) That makeup is totally inappropriate for that shoot, but they put it on anyway because otherwise we'd look right past her.

Plus, even without the makeup on, she's scary looking. (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1965/sasha19tc.png)


I think we should include them as well, since they're hosting daytime TV, starring in reality shows, etc. Tyra Banks has this America's Next Top Model where she has recently included so-called "Plus Sized" models, plus size evidently meaning higher than a size 0. It's a token sop, and the "Plus Size" girls NEVER make it very far - they're just not "Model" enough....BLEH!

BTW, the pictures in your links will haunt me until the day I die - *SHUDDER*

[Winterwind]

Gah! The elbows and shoulders, they're spikes! It's like a skeleton put on a skin suit and decided it liked fashion. She must have taken her parents telling her not to waste her food because children are starving in Ethiopia a little too seriously.No kidding. I bet when she is in an old house she has to watch out to not disappear in some slit in the floor, or something like that. :smalleek:

[Nerd-o-rama]

I watched The Wind and the Lion (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073906/)the other day, where he plays Mulay Achmed Mohammed el-Raisuli the Magnificent - a Moroccan! This coupled with his "performance" as the Spaniard immortal, Ramirez, in Highlander in the same night. Or as a Soviet submarine commander in Hunt for Red October...It was the same kinda-Scottish brogue to portray a "foreigner" for the American audience. Pretty sad, really, because he CAN be a good actor in some roles.
Hey, I liked him in Red October. Highlander, I can take a pass on though (as a showcase of acting ability, not as a popcorn flick).

Also, I can't be sure that's his natural accent, but I've never heard him with a different one, so it's not so much him trying to sound foreign is it is him not even bothering to change his accent. Even his Russian has a brogue.

People above do have the point of him always playing pretty much the same guy, though. At least it's an interesting guy, unlike Vince Vaughn's or Jim Carrey's One Guy.

Speaking of The Hunt for Red October, though...what is Alec Baldwin famous for again? What makes people consider him a god among actors? He's been in a lot of good movies, but as far as the ones I've seen, he never really contributed a lot to them. He was just sort of...there. This is of course back when he was acting rather than adding a name to the billing of a movie/TV show.

Maurice LaMarche as Alec Baldwin, on the other hand...**** yeah.

[Mewtarthio]

Plus, even without the makeup on, she's scary looking. (http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1965/sasha19tc.png)

Yeah, that's creepy. She looks like Hugo Weaving's female clone or something. Now you've got me wondering why Hugo Weaving would clone himself as a woman, and I can't think of any explanations that aren't disturbing. Curse you, Sasha Pivorarova!


Speaking of The Hunt for Red October, though...what is Alec Baldwin famous for again? What makes people consider him a god among actors? He's been in a lot of good movies, but as far as the ones I've seen, he never really contributed a lot to them. He was just sort of...there. This is of course back when he was acting rather than adding a name to the billing of a movie/TV show.

Why, he's famous for playing Jayne Cobb in Firefly! ...No, wait, that was Adam Baldwin. Who's this Alec guy?

[Closet_Skeleton]

At least it's an interesting guy, unlike Vince Vaughn's or Jim Carrey's One Guy.

Jim Carrey can play more than one guy, he just rarely finds people with a desire to pay him to do so.

[Scorpina]

Settle in, ladies and gentlemen, chances are this'll be a long one:

First off, there's a long, long, long, long list of actors and actresses who range from being crap to being mediocre who get way too much attention because they're 'OMG TEH HOT!'. Angelina Jolie, Orlando Bloom, Hayden thingy from Heroes, Jessica Alba, Keanu Reaves (who was only ever good as Ted, and for that matter what happened to Bill?), Brad Pitt, Liv Tyler etc. etc. etc. It wouldn't, perhaps, be quite so bad if any of them lived up to the hype about how hot they supposedly are (since expecting them to live up to the hype about how good at acting they are is patently ridiculous) but they just don't. Sure, most of them are quite good looking, but not the the degree that they're worth going bat guano over.

Secondly, every 'tough guy' actor ever. Obviously, there's are the Sylvester Stalones and Vin Diesels of the wolrd, but I'd go so far as to extend it to such revered figures as John Wayne and Bruce Lee. Okay, so they're tough. Good of them. Does it mean that they can act? No, it does not. The ability to have fight scene after fight scene (even if you do do all the fighting yourself with your kickass kung fu or whatever, I don't care) and drop the occasional one liner in a non-convicing manner does not a good actor make. Not even a little.

To move on to specific people, I think Jack Nicholson is overrated. He can be good, sometimes, but most of the time he's just playing the same or similar roles and - a lot of the time - he's just playing Jack Nicholson. This particularly annoyed me in Batman Returns, when he was playing The Goddamn Joker. You don't play yourself when you're playing a character who's already well established to the point of being iconic , damn it! You just don't!

I also have a personal distaste for Christopher Eccleston. He mostly plays the same character all the time too, and it's not an especially likable one, nor is it appropriate for a lot of the roles he's been cast in. I think, maybe, this stems from the crushing disappointment I got from the first series of the revamped Doctor Who and just how undoctory he was... but I can't say I've liked him in anything I've seen him in, at all, ever.

I'd also say that Hugh Laurie's 'House' hype is largely undeserved. Yes, he is a good actor. Yes, he can do a convincing American accent despite being British (which is much, much, much more common than the reverse, by the way, if only because the British are much, much, much more exposed to American media than vice versa). No, he's not gorgeous, he just has blue eyes. Move along. He was better when he was funny, damn it.

I also agree with some of the things other people have said. I don't like Sean Connery most of the time (in fact the only film I really enjoyed him in was Finding Forrester, where he was actually supposed to be a crotchety scotsman so it actually worked), I don't like Will Smith, I loathe Julia Roberts and I've never seen Nicholas Cage do anything good.

...oh, and Hugh Jackman.

[Tom_Violence]

I'm shattered, so this'll be brief. I'm surprised its not in shorthand, actually.

Keira Knightley - can't act. Actually doesn't appear to even try. Yeah, you're posh, well done, but don't just play yourself in every single film. Being pretty doesn't excuse not actually doing your job, especially when you're actually not. Oh, and if anyone mentions Domino, so help me god...

Speaking of violence, Kirsten Dunst looks like she's been punched in the face. And I don't think she could actually be more annoying no matter how hard she tries (which is a lot, by the way).

Nicolas Cage looks like a pederast.

Will Smith is not an actor.

Jim Carrey actually embarrases me when I see him on film.

[DomaDoma]

Jim Carrey's already up there? Ah well, I'm going to put him forward anyway. Contorting your face into inhuman shapes and otherwise ham-spazzing is not comedic, and if you don't play a single role without lapsing into contorted faces and spazzing, you are not an actor.

Laurence Olivier made a pretty mediocre Hamlet. He was, however, an excellent Shiite proto-bin-Laden. Seriously.

[Tweekinator]

Keanu Reaves (who was only ever good as Ted, and for that matter what happened to Bill?)

I have thought this to myself many times.

[Serpentine]

John Malkovich. I've only seen a couple of his movies (the one on Napoleon, Beowulf and, of course, Being John Malkovich come to mind), and he doesn't seem particularly bad, but they all seem exactly the same.

[RyQ_TMC]

Just a little thought...

We dedicate quite a lot of text to criticizing actors who cannot act... But we tend to forget that some movies aren't there to provide katharsis, but just to give plain, simple fun in huge quantities. Despite having no intellectual value at all, and sporting a plethora of actors who wouldn't be able to even play a role of a dressing table in a theatrical play, "Live Free or Die Hard" was probably the most enjoyable movie I've seen this year. I actually think that if any of the actors there was able to go all Shakespearean and did, it would spoil the movie(*). When I go to see a Bruce Willis movie, I expect a Bruce Willis movie, not food for thought or wonderful acting.

That said... I think Connery should be removed from our informal list. He doesn't get a lot of hype these days (he is merely extremely well-known), and he is just this type of actor. He always played Bond. The captain from Red October had a bond-ish tint. Indy's dad was retired Bond. If you like his B-movie style, you'll like any movie starring him (OK, maybe EXCEPT League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) and if you don't like it, you'll hate every single movie you can see his face in.

I also second the notion that Connery's accent is probably real, seeing as he always uses it, not only when portraying a foreigner.

(*) Just for the record, the modest amount of hype that Timothy Olyphant gets is also WAY TOO MUCH.

[Rogue 7]

@Scorpina: You don't find House funny? I find it hilarious, particularly Laurie's lines.
And "tough guy" actors and movies aren't meant to be great works of acting talent- they're there for fun, explosions, blood, punches, etc. That requires a certain look. A tough look, if you will. It's like the difference between hack'n'slash and Roleplaying D&D- they both have different merits, but you can't deny that the first isn't fun now and again (and if you can, I can't hear you:smallamused: )

[Closet_Skeleton]

He always played Bond.

Not really. You just think that because he Bond made him famous and later Bonds had to copy him to some degree. If you want to see someone playing Bond, look at Timothy Dalton.

[dehro]

John Malkovich. I've only seen a couple of his movies (the one on Napoleon, Beowulf and, of course, Being John Malkovich come to mind), and he doesn't seem particularly bad, but they all seem exactly the same.
try Dangerous Liaisons and death of a salesman

[VetMichael]

I'd also say that Hugh Laurie's 'House' hype is largely undeserved. Yes, he is a good actor. Yes, he can do a convincing American accent despite being British (which is much, much, much more common than the reverse, by the way, if only because the British are much, much, much more exposed to American media than vice versa). No, he's not gorgeous, he just has blue eyes. Move along. He was better when he was funny, damn it.

I have to partially agree with you on this one: I hate HATE HATE the character "House" - and his existence in a hospital would rarely be tolerated for long (Junkie, iconoclastic, acerbic to a fault, a loner type who needs someone to belittle and berate or he curls up into a fetal ball and sucks his thumb) mostly because there are TONS of egomaniacs running around hospitals and the competition would undercut him and have his license taken away withing oh, two episodes. That being said, however, I think Hugh Laurie was (and is) a good actor, despite his House mega-role...


...oh, and Hugh Jackman.

At first, when I heard he was playing Wolverine in X-Men, I asked "Hugh who???" But he turned in a decent role as our favorite mutant, even evincing a commendable grimace when in close-ups. That being said however, he must have been wanting to counterbalance his super-testosterone self in Wolverine with The Boy From Oz, Kate and Leopold (A 19th century baron in NYC???? C'mon!!), Van Helsing and, of course Viva Laughlin (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0878801/) WTF??

[Cristo Meyers]

Re: Keanu Reeves between Ted and Neo:

I can only think of 2 movies Keanu Reeves has been in between Bill and Ted and the Matrix: Much Ado About Nothing and Bram Stoker's Dracula. I think they're both worth the rental (if only to see Sirrius Black as Dracula).

(the actor that played Bill I believe only had one other role: The Lost Boys with Keifer Sutherland, after that he just faded away)

My overhyped list...well, let's see.

I can't stand Kiera Nightly (sp). Never could. Best job she did was Love Actually, and that's only because all she had to do was stand there and look pretty. In my view, she is probably the greatest contributor to the suckitude of Pirates 2 and 3 (not that 2 could be saved by any means).

She's the only one that comes to mind immediately.

[WalkingTarget]

Just wondering if people maligning Keira Knightley have seen The Jacket. I'm don't really care about her one way or the other for the purpose of this thread, but I'm just wondering what else they've seen her in besides the overly-hyped roles (I think she was a pretty good decoy in The Phantom Menace :smallamused: ).

I agree with the anti-Ben Stiller element I've seen here. I liked Zoolander, but that's about the only starring role he's had that I could stand, and it's against-type.

As for hype, I think that Tom Cruise gets too much of it. I have liked a number of the movies that I've seen him in, but the hype that surrounds anything he touches is absurd.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Not really. You just think that because he Bond made him famous and later Bonds had to copy him to some degree. If you want to see someone playing Bond, look at Timothy Dalton.
I can't really think of a role Connery played where he wasn't "Russian Bond" or "Bond with a sword."

Well, maybe that one movie where he really wasn't "Bond as a reclusive novelist" except for having the same accent. He was pretty good in that one.

Also, I liked League of Extraordinary Gentlemen as an action movie but not an adaptation, and Connery plays a very good Alan Quartermain. From the novels. Moore's Alan Quartermain, of course, would be out of the question for him.

[VetMichael]

Is that a reference to Roger Moore? I hope so, because if you want to talka bout the stiffest, most un-sexay Bond ever, he'd have to fit the bill perfectly. I liked Daniel Craig as Bond, the troubled anti-hero hero in Casino Royale.

Another to add to my list of insta-hate: Anyone who has been on Oprah's show - the rabidity of her fans borders on cultlike, which makes whomever/whatever she's hawking RED-fickin'-HOT. Not because it's genuinely good, or true, or virtuous, or whatever, but because Oprah commanded it. Man, I miss MadTV's spoofs of Oprah :frown:

[Turcano]

Yes, he can do a convincing American accent despite being British (which is much, much, much more common than the reverse, by the way, if only because the British are much, much, much more exposed to American media than vice versa).

Says you. I'm a big fan of British TV programs, and most British actors do horrible American accents.


Moore's Alan Quartermain, of course, would be out of the question for him.

I think Kieth Richards would be better for that portrayal.

[Serpentine]

I also second the notion that Connery's accent is probably real, seeing as he always uses it, not only when portraying a foreigner.
Uh... he is Scottish. What accent were you expecting him to have? :smallconfused: Considering he is a foreigner, chances are he's often going to be playing one (at least, someone who's foreign in the US).
Trouble is, he used to try to get his accents right (exhibit A: Bond). Then there's The Untouchables, where he plays an Irishman, and doesn't even bother trying. And, of course, Highlander, where he played an Egyptian who'd lived in Spain and had a Scottish accent.
Now there's a movie that's overhyped. I know it's generally to the effect of "it's so bad it's good!", but no. Not really. It just seemed so bad it's bad, to me.

[SDF]

Movies I thought Keanu acted well in:

Johnny Mnemonic
A Scanner Darkly
Constantine
My Own Private Idaho (most especially, I think this is his best performance)

I HATE Will Ferrel, I hate all his movies, I don't find him funny at all. Same goes for Ben Stiller. Stop making films please :smallsigh:

[Old_el_Paso]

And how is this relevant in any way?He's not trying to look hot for all the girls out there. You took that completely out context.

[Nerd-o-rama]

And, of course, Highlander, where he played an Egyptian who'd lived in Spain and had a Scottish accent.
Now there's a movie that's overhyped. I know it's generally to the effect of "it's so bad it's good!", but no. Not really. It just seemed so bad it's bad, to me.

I will never understand why they cast Sean Connery as a Spaniard in a move
called Highlander. Would it have been that difficult to make his character Scottish, the one accent he can do?

[Serpentine]

Don't forget, he was also Egyptian :smalleek:

[EvilElitest]

Can we mention actors we think are unfairly maligned? If so, I think Leonardo de Caprio is picked on somewhat (maybe not so much in recent years, but he has been). People seem to dismiss him as a useless pretty-boy teenage heart-throb, but if you actually look through his roles (not including The Beach, because 1. I haven't seen it and 2. I hear it's horrible), he's actually a very good actor, and has taken on some pretty interesting roles.

While i hated the Beach, i liked him in Blood Diamond accually.

I just can't stand Olando Bloom in any movie where he talks. Or opens his mouth. Or tries to make a facial expression. If he just stares vaugly at the screen and shoots stuff then i'm cool (he was good in LOTRS for just that reason, he had so few lines)

I also hate Daniel Radcliff, Mel Gibson (to be fair, only in movies he directs), and Ben Aflect
from,
EE

[Closet_Skeleton]

You took that completely out context.

You didn't put it in any context.

[EvilElitest]

...and this effects his acting skill or how hyped he is in what way?

This reminds me of a class mate who, afterting finding out that the Spartains were in real life quite open to homosexuality refused to watch the movie ever again
strange
from,
EE

[Shraik]

Natalie Portman: She is Just downright bad. Period. It really showed in her pety performance in Star Wars. I did not see much of V for Vendetta but of what i did, SHE WAS BAD. She can't act and is under the impression that being a bald white chick is appealing at all.

[North]

Natalie Portman: She is Just downright bad. Period. It really showed in her pety performance in Star Wars. I did not see much of V for Vendetta but of what i did, SHE WAS BAD. She can't act and is under the impression that being a bald white chick is appealing at all.

Everything was bad in those Star Wars. Even Sam Jackson was terrible.

I hate Sean Penn though. Hes so damn whiny.

[Mr. Mud]

EE-
This reminds me of a class mate who, afterting finding out that the Spartains were in real life quite open to homosexuality refused to watch the movie ever again
strange
from,
EE

On 300, I never really got who the (presnt day) Persians hated 300, while the Kazakhstonians ( :smalleek: ) Embraced Borat... for the most part anyways. :smallconfused:

[Nerd-o-rama]

Well, the Kazakh people might find Borat funny, but the government of Kazakhstan has repeatedly tried to get him to stop. Also, the Roma that were used as extras in the movie have sued him at least once for defamation of character.

On Natalie Portman: Garden State was good. I've yet to hear any other arguments in support of her, though.

[sikyon]

I think Arnold S. is getting too much hype in his Governator role. I mean, that series should have been cut loose to cable only a long time ago. It's not bad or anything, it's just not that interesting.

This is an attempt to be funny

[EvilElitest]

On 300, I never really got who the (presnt day) Persians hated 300, while the Kazakhstonians ( :smalleek: ) Embraced Borat... for the most part anyways. :smallconfused:

I do know the people of Kazakston enjoyed the movie but the goverment tried to stop it

however on the subject of 300, about the Iranians hating it i say


Good for them, they have a right to be (unless they are in fact a hoard of massive deformed monsters and quite frankly i don't want to even think about that)
from
EE

[Serpentine]

This reminds me of a class mate who, afterting finding out that the Spartains were in real life quite open to homosexuality refused to watch the movie ever again
strange
from,
EE
*ahem*
HISTORY LESSONS TIEM!
The ancient Greeks didn't really have "homosexuality" and "heterosexuality". While it was acceptable for an older man to have an affair with a younger (think teens and early twenties, if I recall correctly), there were actually some very strict restrictions. Basically, the younger man always had to play the role of the woman - he was to be the pursued, not the pursuer, he received gifts, during intercourse he was always, well, on the bottom. The older man would be his patron, but not all patron-client relationships were sexual, it just wasn't a problem if it was. These men would generally be married, though, and it was expected that the young men would have heterosexual affairs. It was still unacceptable for a man to only have male-male relationships, or for one to continue once the younger member grew up past a certain age. It's entirely possible that the apparent proliferation of Spartan homosexuality is somewhat exaggerated.
END HISTORY LESSONS TIEM!
>.>
<.<

It seemed like for a while just about every new movie had Jessica Alba in it... and I can't say I ever saw anything that suggested that was a particularly good thing. Also, why on earth would you take on the role of a stripper in a movie like Sin City if you didn't want to show any boob? :smallconfused:

[DomaDoma]

On Natalie Portman: Garden State was good. I've yet to hear any other arguments in support of her, though.

Never seen V for Vendetta, then?

[Maulrus]

Keira Knightley. Something about her freaks me out. It might be her lips. They're always pursed out, it's disgusting.

[EvilElitest]

*ahem*
HISTORY LESSONS TIEM!
The ancient Greeks didn't really have "homosexuality" and "heterosexuality". While it was acceptable for an older man to have an affair with a younger (think teens and early twenties, if I recall correctly), there were actually some very strict restrictions. Basically, the younger man always had to play the role of the woman - he was to be the pursued, not the pursuer, he received gifts, during intercourse he was always, well, on the bottom. The older man would be his patron, but not all patron-client relationships were sexual, it just wasn't a problem if it was. These men would generally be married, though, and it was expected that the young men would have heterosexual affairs. It was still unacceptable for a man to only have male-male relationships, or for one to continue once the younger member grew up past a certain age. It's entirely possible that the apparent proliferation of Spartan homosexuality is somewhat exaggerated.
END HISTORY LESSONS TIEM!

Interesting, I never knew that. However, while i know this was not your intention, that doesn't justify my class mate homophobia



It seemed like for a while just about every new movie had Jessica Alba in it... and I can't say I ever saw anything that suggested that was a particularly good thing. Also, why on earth would you take on the role of a stripper in a movie like Sin City if you didn't want to show any boob? :smallconfused:
eh? what?

[Serpentine]

Very true, EE. Very petty and stupid of him.
And "eh? What?" what? I can't remember where I heard it, but apparently originally the stripper character was going to be - shock horror! - stripping. But nooooo, Jessica didn't want to show off any flesh :smallsigh: