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incog64
2023-11-02, 03:31 PM
For the spell below, as a true neutral cleric, do you pick the good or evil effect/alignment or is there some other determining factor? The cleric in question has Rebuke Dragons.


VISAGE OF THE DEITY, LESSER

(Spell Compendium, p. 231)

Transmutation [Good or Evil]
Level: Cleric 3, Blackguard 4, Paladin 4, Mysticism 3,
Components: V, S, DF,
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level

As you end your prayer, you can feel the hand of your deity upon you. Your appearance reflects her divine power, and her touch grants you resistance from some of the damage of this world.

You gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma. You also gain resistance to acid 10, cold 10, and electricity 10 if you are good, or resistance to cold 10 and fire 10 if you are evil.

Bavarian itP
2023-11-02, 03:44 PM
For the spell below, as a true neutral cleric, do you pick the good or evil effect/alignment or is there some other determining factor? The cleric in question has Rebuke Dragons.


VISAGE OF THE DEITY, LESSER

(Spell Compendium, p. 231)

Transmutation [Good or Evil]
Level: Cleric 3, Blackguard 4, Paladin 4, Mysticism 3,
Components: V, S, DF,
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level

As you end your prayer, you can feel the hand of your deity upon you. Your appearance reflects her divine power, and her touch grants you resistance from some of the damage of this world.

You gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma. You also gain resistance to acid 10, cold 10, and electricity 10 if you are good, or resistance to cold 10 and fire 10 if you are evil.

You don't fulfill the condition for acid, cold and electricity, and you don't fulfill the condititon for cold and fire. So per RAW, you get neither, I guess.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2023-11-02, 04:06 PM
The Visage of the Deity spells are all Transmutation [Evil or Good], so it must be cast as one type or the other.

From the Cleric class description:
Chaotic, Evil, Good, and Lawful Spells (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm#chaoticEvilGoodandLawfulSpells)
A cleric can’t cast spells of an alignment opposed to his own or his deity’s (if he has one). Spells associated with particular alignments are indicated by the chaos, evil, good, and law descriptors in their spell descriptions.

So you would need to choose whether you're casting it as an [Evil] spell or as a [Good] spell, and you'll get that effect from it.

Inevitability
2023-11-02, 04:28 PM
The Visage of the Deity spells are all Transmutation [Evil or Good], so it must be cast as one type or the other.

From the Cleric class description:
Chaotic, Evil, Good, and Lawful Spells (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/cleric.htm#chaoticEvilGoodandLawfulSpells)
A cleric can’t cast spells of an alignment opposed to his own or his deity’s (if he has one). Spells associated with particular alignments are indicated by the chaos, evil, good, and law descriptors in their spell descriptions.

So you would need to choose whether you're casting it as an [Evil] spell or as a [Good] spell, and you'll get that effect from it.

Technically not how it works by RAW.

There's weird edge cases possible where you can end up casting the [Good] version of the spell while being Evil; an evil sorcerer with Arcane Disciple (Mysticism) and the Celestial Bloodline feat would be one unambiguous example. Unable to cast Evil spells, but able to cast Visage of the Deity anyway. Such a character would gain the cold/fire resistances, not the acid/cold/electricity ones.

Biggus
2023-11-02, 05:37 PM
So you would need to choose whether you're casting it as an [Evil] spell or as a [Good] spell, and you'll get that effect from it.

Not true in this case. The spell specifically says "if you are good" you get one set of resistances and "if you are evil" you get the other, not "if you cast it as a good/evil spell". If you're neither good nor evil, you get only the Cha bonus, whichever way you cast it.

Rebel7284
2023-11-06, 09:20 AM
Use the Holy Transformation/Infernal Transformation line of spells to pick up the good/evil subtype before casting Visage of the Deity?