Console Wars

[Crispy Dave]

The official console war thread of the playground. post any videos pics or say anything you want according to the forum rules.

[Haruki-kun]

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Nintendo FTW!!!!!

[PlatinumJester]

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t288/Vaarsuvius89/WiiandPS3.jpg

Nintendo FTW!!!!!

QFT!!!

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Sony called the Wiimote a gimmick before tacking a motion onto their "controller".

The 360 is alright but I would only really want Halo 3 if I bought one.

[Shas aia Toriia]

Nintendo seems to be winning. :smallbiggrin:
NINTENDO FTW!

[Darken Rahl]

My 360 is nearing its second warranty repair. Within 3 weeks of receiving it from the repair center.

*shakes head*

[Setra]

This topic should be deleted, the console wars are practically flame wars.

Also, the Wii motion technology IS a gimmick, but so is the PS3's copy of it.

But both suck.

The Wii is fun and all but the most fun I have is when I use less of the motion technology.

[warty goblin]

This topic should be deleted, the console wars are practically flame wars.

Also, the Wii motion technology IS a gimmick, but so is the PS3's copy of it.

But both suck.

The Wii is fun and all but the most fun I have is when I use less of the motion technology.


QFT. PC all the way. XBox 360 is also acceptable, since its not overly expensive and manages to have good graphics and good games, something neither of the other two consoles have managed.

PS3, if you want insane graphics that bad, spend a little more for a PC that can do more stuff, and already has games available for it, which, as far as I can tell, the PS3 doesn't have so many of. Also PC games have graphics that look way better than anything on the PS3 now, or probably ever (I'm lookin' at you, Crisis).

Wii, why? Controls can be nice simple and dignified, but instead we get one that makes you wave your arms around like some sort of pixel-crazed bat. I'm not hating on the wii here, I'm just genuinely curious as to what people see in it.

[rankrath]

Wii, why? Controls can be nice simple and dignified, but instead we get one that makes you wave your arms around like some sort of pixel-crazed bat. I'm not hating on the wii here, I'm just genuinely curious as to what people see in it.

it's a party platform, I rarely use mine when I'm playing on my own, but with a group of four or five friends, it's fun(er) than sitting on the couch with a normal controller.

[warty goblin]

it's a party platform, I rarely use mine when I'm playing on my own, but with a group of four or five friends, it's fun(er) than sitting on the couch with a normal controller.

Ah, that explains my reaction to it then. Being an introvert, I only ever play alone as my little escape from people at the end of the day, and I abhor parties as a rule, so a platform designed for them definately isn't my thing.

[Mr. Mud]

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This topic should be deleted, the console wars are practically flame wars.

Also, the Wii motion technology IS a gimmick, but so is the PS3's copy of it.

But both suck.

The Wii is fun and all but the most fun I have is when I use less of the motion technology.

True, but don't get my wrong, I love the Wii, but the controls fail you right when one needs them most (its like the have a monkey in a satelite pulling the plug on your control every 5 minutes)

Still watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MFoyp71xw3w

[Crispy Dave]

o my gosh what have i done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

[Lord Shplane]

This topic should be deleted, the console wars are practically flame wars.

Also, the Wii motion technology IS a gimmick, but so is the PS3's copy of it.

But both suck.

The Wii is fun and all but the most fun I have is when I use less of the motion technology.

I agree on all counts. At least the PS3 knows it's a gimmick though, and therefore ignores it. :smallbiggrin:

[warty goblin]

I agree on all counts. At least the PS3 knows it's a gimmick though, and therefore ignores it. :smallbiggrin:

Well, there is Lair. Although perhaps we as a gaming society should ignore Lair...

[Triaxx]

Wii, why? Controls can be nice simple and dignified, but instead we get one that makes you wave your arms around like some sort of pixel-crazed bat. I'm not hating on the wii here, I'm just genuinely curious as to what people see in it.

I blame Nintendo's marketing department for that. You don't really have to wave the Wiimote around like that. Even tennis only requires wrist to knock the ball back. I'll admit that bowling, and boxing do require some motion to get the aiming and timing respectively right. However, if you think the controls are weird, try RE4 on the Wii. Pick a spot and play between two save points. Once with the Wii-mote, then unplug the Nunchuck, and play with the GC controller. Now which is harder?

MP3 is another game that has almost perfect use of the controls. Once you relax into the controls, rather than fighting with them, you'll be plinking at ranges beyond the cursor going 'red' to indicate an enemy. The only exaggerated motion is the Nunchuck flip to use the grapple, which I will admit is a touch tricky sometimes. Moreso if you rush it.

[warty goblin]

I blame Nintendo's marketing department for that. You don't really have to wave the Wiimote around like that. Even tennis only requires wrist to knock the ball back. I'll admit that bowling, and boxing do require some motion to get the aiming and timing respectively right. However, if you think the controls are weird, try RE4 on the Wii. Pick a spot and play between two save points. Once with the Wii-mote, then unplug the Nunchuck, and play with the GC controller. Now which is harder?

MP3 is another game that has almost perfect use of the controls. Once you relax into the controls, rather than fighting with them, you'll be plinking at ranges beyond the cursor going 'red' to indicate an enemy. The only exaggerated motion is the Nunchuck flip to use the grapple, which I will admit is a touch tricky sometimes. Moreso if you rush it.

Good to know, I'll do that sometime if I ever have access to a wii. Since I'm the only gamer I know however, this could be a while.

[Rogue 7]

I completed most of Twilight Princess sitting on the couch- a shake of the wrist swung the sword fine, and they worked the aiming out fine. So much so that I could play Call of Duty 3 on Wii sitting on the couch. The motion controls are simple enough that you only need a few movements, which is easy to do sitting down. I will not, however, doubt the amusement that comes from playing Wii Boxing or Warioware, both of which require much standing and general mayhem. Good times, good times....

[Triaxx]

warty goblin: Yeah, that could be a bit of a problem. The reasoning stems from everyone saying that RE4's difficulty was toned down. I don't think so, it's just that the Wii-mote works so much smoother than the GC controller.

Rogue 7:
*shifty look* The secret too Wii Boxing is two-fold. Play opposite your normal handed-ness. I can beat through the opponent's defenses easily if I play a left-handed boxer. Second, occasionally actually punch the opponent. It makes them drop the Wiimote and gives you some free shots.:smallbiggrin: But that's only if you're evil like me.

Yeah, I beat RE4, and MP3 sitting down. Works much better.

[themob212]

I am very happy with both my Wii and my 360. The Wii control system is to me as good if not better for playing with a mouse on a FPS (and boy is it nice to be able to use that hand z axis on a console game).
The 360 is chock full of games and remains noticeably cheaper than upgrading this here computer of mine in addition to the fact I don't have to wrestle for drivers for hours (looking at you Bioshock).
I see no real reason to buy a ps3 as currently it has a far smaller game selection than the 360 and I don't realy care that much about the graphics.

[Triaxx]

Yeah, just about anything you'd want to play will come to the 360 anyway.

[Lord Shplane]

Yeah, just about anything you'd want to play on the 360 will come to the PC anyway.

Edited for truth.

God of War 3 will never be on the 360. Neither will Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, FFXIII (At least not for years, Square only makes ports of games that are ridiculously old, and by then we would be on a different console gen), Ratchet and Clank, and probably MGS4, since the guy making it doesn't seem to want to port it.

EDIT: Also Infamous

[MCerberus]

Console wars - despite the hype, all parties have already lost to the PC. Turns out almost everyone has one or access to one.

[Mando Knight]

Aye, almost all XBox games are on another console or on the PC... nearly all of the original XBox's good exclusives (Halo, Halo 2, KotOR...) were released on the PC eventually. I bet that Lucasarts won't be able to keep their hands off of the pot o' gold that is the PC market when Force Unleashed comes out...

[Setra]

Aye, almost all XBox games are on another console or on the PC... nearly all of the original XBox's good exclusives (Halo, Halo 2, KotOR...) were released on the PC eventually. I bet that Lucasarts won't be able to keep their hands off of the pot o' gold that is the PC market when Force Unleashed comes out...
There are only three games exclusive to the 360 (as far as I know) I want.

Fable 2 (Which might go to PC anyways), Eternal Sonata, and Blue Dragon.

On the Wii: SSBB (This says a lot though)

On the PS3: FFXIII, FFXIII (either vs. or Agito, I forgot which), Disgaea 3, and in theory Kingdom Hearts 3 eventually.

I don't care what anyone says. If the PS3 wants to 'rely on sequels' then let them, they're games I want regardless.

[Lord Shplane]

There are only three games exclusive to the 360 (as far as I know) I want.

Fable 2 (Which might go to PC anyways), Eternal Sonata, and Blue Dragon.

On the Wii: SSBB (This says a lot though)

On the PS3: FFXIII, FFXIII (either vs. or Agito, I forgot which), Disgaea 3, and in theory Kingdom Hearts 3 eventually.

I don't care what anyone says. If the PS3 wants to 'rely on sequels' then let them, they're games I want regardless.

Vs.

Also, I really don't see how the PS3 is relying on sequels. It's got plenty of new IP on the PS3 (Folklore, Uncharted, Resistance, Eye of Judgement), and plenty more on the way (INFAMOUS, Haze, White Knight Story, LittleBigPlanet and other PSN games).

Sure, its big titles that everyone knows about and are looking forward to (Killzone 2, MGS4, FFXIII) are the ones that people know about, but it was the same way with other consoles. The 360 relied massively on Halo 3. Nintendo, regardless of how "Innovative" people say they've been with their games, still get a massive number of their sales from Nintendo fans who want to play Mario Galaxy and SSBB. Sure, Gears was a success. But no one was thinking about it beforehand. Same thing with Wii Sports and its ilk. The PS3 will have some awesome new IP show up, just like the Wii and 360 did.

[warty goblin]

If I was a console gamer, my analysis would go something like:

1) The 360 gets pretty much the same games as the PS3, but costs less than putting a kid through college.

2) The Wii has loads of exclusive games and is different.

3) The PS3 tries to combine the 360 and the Wii, it has graphical power and motion control, but reallly nothing on it to date has looked better than anything on the 360, and the Wii does motion control better.

4) Hence if I want to maximize my unique game coverage and variety of gaming, getting the two specialist consoles works better. I get motion control that works and good graphics. Granted, not at the same time, but it is an imperfect universe.

Of course being a PC gamer my reasoning goes:
1) If I want good looking games the PC right now beats all of the consoles in terms of graphical power, and this gap will only grow with time. The only machine that can rival a good gaming PC is the PS3, and its such a pain to code for that nobody's going to really try to go all-out on it for years, since by doing so they spend a lot of money developing a game that can't be ported for the least popular console- it may be more powerful than the 360, but none of this is going to show up anytime soon.

2) The PC also controls differently than all three consoles, and allows me to play RTS games, something which I really don't see how it can work on consoles. By choosing the PC I gain access to an entire genre of games closed to consoles, more or less.

3) MMO's. Even though I find them to be the gaming equivilent of an infected toenail (difficult to get rid of, ugly, and lasts a long time), they are currently only really available on the PC as far as I know. Certainly the PC is where the interesting things in the genre are happening. This may change, but there are a lot of MMOs on the PC, and even if they start coming out on consoles will take a long time to catch up.

4) Mods. If I don't like the game, I can change it. My Oblivion install is so peppered with mods by now that it bears very little resemblance to the original game, and its not alone on my harddrive in being that way. The PS3 with UT3 is the first game to allow mods on a console, compare that to years of mod-making experience and community on the PC. I believe that UT3 still requires the PC version to actually make the mod and merely allows it to be exported to the PS3 as well, but I could be wrong about this.

[Lord Shplane]

3) The PS3 tries to combine the 360 and the Wii, it has graphical power and motion control, but reallly nothing on it to date has looked better than anything on the 360, and the Wii does motion control better.


Like I said before, the PS3 mostly ignores the motion controls.

[Mando Knight]

Of course being a PC gamer my reasoning goes:
1) If I want good looking games the PC right now beats all of the consoles in terms of graphical power, and this gap will only grow with time. The only machine that can rival a good gaming PC is the PS3, and its such a pain to code for that nobody's going to really try to go all-out on it for years, since by doing so they spend a lot of money developing a game that can't be ported for the least popular console- it may be more powerful than the 360, but none of this is going to show up anytime soon.

2) The PC also controls differently than all three consoles, and allows me to play RTS games, something which I really don't see how it can work on consoles. By choosing the PC I gain access to an entire genre of games closed to consoles, more or less.

3) MMO's. Even though I find them to be the gaming equivilent of an infected toenail (difficult to get rid of, ugly, and lasts a long time), they are currently only really available on the PC as far as I know. Certainly the PC is where the interesting things in the genre are happening. This may change, but there are a lot of MMOs on the PC, and even if they start coming out on consoles will take a long time to catch up.

4) Mods. If I don't like the game, I can change it. My Oblivion install is so peppered with mods by now that it bears very little resemblance to the original game, and its not alone on my harddrive in being that way. The PS3 with UT3 is the first game to allow mods on a console, compare that to years of mod-making experience and community on the PC. I believe that UT3 still requires the PC version to actually make the mod and merely allows it to be exported to the PS3 as well, but I could be wrong about this.

You're forgetting 5) Peripherals. If you want a game console peripheral, you can get the 360 version and plug it into the PC. The PC also has a wider variety of joysticks, flight-control thingies, microphones, cameras, etc. If you want a feature on the PC, it already has everything you need to install it, minus the peripheral...


On the Wii: SSBB (This says a lot though)

Does that mean you already have the other few good games for the Wii, like Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Prime 3... or does that just mean that you don't want them?


At least the PS3 knows it's a gimmick though, and therefore ignores it.

Yeah, but they kicked out force feedback on the SIXAXIS, and the president of Sony said that he thought that it was a last-generation gimmick and doesn't belong in the PS3 (despite the fact that the 360 and even the Wii have it...), but then Sony turned around and is releasing the Dual Shock 3...

[Lord Shplane]

Yeah, but they kicked out force feedback on the SIXAXIS, and the president of Sony said that he thought that it was a last-generation gimmick and doesn't belong in the PS3 (despite the fact that the 360 and even the Wii have it...), but then Sony turned around and is releasing the Dual Shock 3...

Like I said before, I never really liked rumble anyway. But still, people wanted it, so Sony put it in. They do listen to what their customers want. So I wouldn't say that it's a bad strike against Sony that it's fixing it's mistake.

[Setra]

Does that mean you already have the other few good games for the Wii, like Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Prime 3... or does that just mean that you don't want them?I rented and beat Galaxy, I was only counting Exclusives so Twilight Princess is out (better on the GC in my opinion anyways) and don't want Prime 3.

1) The 360 gets pretty much the same games as the PS3, but costs less than putting a kid through college.
The Playstation three (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020285) is only fifty (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020079) dollars more!!

Even if you count the original price are you so stupid to think it costs only $500-600 to put a kid through college?

[Triaxx]

Edited for truth.

God of War 3 will never be on the 360. Neither will Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, FFXIII (At least not for years, Square only makes ports of games that are ridiculously old, and by then we would be on a different console gen), Ratchet and Clank, and probably MGS4, since the guy making it doesn't seem to want to port it.

EDIT: Also Infamous

Edited full of lies. :smallbiggrin:

Alright, all those. Now name a title that anyone wants to play.


You're forgetting 5) Peripherals. If you want a game console peripheral, you can get the 360 version and plug it into the PC. The PC also has a wider variety of joysticks, flight-control thingies, microphones, cameras, etc. If you want a feature on the PC, it already has everything you need to install it, minus the peripheral...

Joysticks and flight controls? Name a game worth playing on the PC that needs those? There's a total of what, Flight Simulator X?

In addition to all that, I don't have to stop and spend another two hundred dollars to upgrade the operating system on my consoles.


I rented and beat Galaxy, I was only counting Exclusives so Twilight Princess is out (better on the GC in my opinion anyways) and don't want Prime 3.

You're missing out on quite the game with Prime 3. Unless you're one of those that don't like it's new style, which I understand.

[Setra]

You're missing out on quite the game with Prime 3. Unless you're one of those that don't like it's new style, which I understand.
Actually I just don't really like the prime games.

[Lord Shplane]

Edited full of lies. :smallbiggrin:

Alright, all those. Now name a title that anyone wants to play.


Ummm... all of those?

I know a lot of people who love those games or are looking forward to them. I can't see how you're saying that no one wants to play them.

[warty goblin]

Well, there's all the old space sims on PC. Granted, they are certainly not new, but they are still there and best played with a joystick.

Which brings me quite naturally to the next point in favor of PC gaming

6) Backwards compatibility. Know all that fuss about "is so and so backwards compatible?" and so on and so forth on the consoles? Well, I semi-frequently play 12 year old games on my PC without issue. Put in the disk, install and press play. Just like that. No downloading, virtual consoles or other complications, just play the thing. Also:

7) Volume of games: Counting indi releases, the PC has, without a question, the largest game library of any console ever. It doesn't go out of date every six or so years either.

8) Cost. My PC is fairly high powered (dual core 2.1ghz processor, 2 gigs ram, nVidia 7600 (I think, can't remember for sure)), and can play most games at decent settings, and probably comes in at about $1,000. My monitor frankly is a piece of junk worth about $40, but let's budjet $200 for monitor. Chair: $40. Total cost to play + basic utilities:$1,240, let's round to $1,300 to cover a better mouse. PS3: $600 out of the box. TV: Another $400. Couch (who actually plays a console in a chair?): Another $200 (cheap). Now for the killer: Computer to check e-mail, surf web, etc: $250 (cheap). Total Cost to Play + utility functions: $1,450.

For that chunk of change I could upgrade the graphics card a bit more, or set up SLI, or actually buy a game, which are still $50 max on PC, compared to $60 on PS3, 360.

[Setra]

PS3: $400 out of the box.
The price dropped.

[Lord Shplane]

The price dropped.

60 GB is still $500 though. That's the one you want.

EDIT: Warty:

So you're saying that having a PC means you don't need a TV or a couch?
:smallamused:

[warty goblin]

60 GB is still $500 though. That's the one you want.

EDIT: Warty:

So you're saying that having a PC means you don't need a TV or a couch?
:smallamused:

Well, I do just fine without both:smalltongue: . No TV leaves more time for gaming(and posting:smallbiggrin: ), and I can get all the TV shows I want through netflix if I'm patient, which means I can watch them at my leisure and without adds. And since I don't have a TV, I simply use my desk chair as my only media consumption body-supporter, which I conveniently place in front of my computer. But then, I am abnormal.

And 60gb is the big model? Damn, that's small...

[Lord Shplane]

Well, I do just fine without both:smalltongue: . No TV leaves more time for gaming(and posting:smallbiggrin: ), and I can get all the TV shows I want through netflix if I'm patient, which means I can watch them at my leisure and without adds. And since I don't have a TV, I simply use my desk chair as my only media consumption body-supporter, which I conveniently place in front of my computer. But then, I am abnormal.

And 60gb is the big model? Damn, that's small...

lolk

I actually play my PS3 without a couch. I play it on my bed (I have a TV in my room, very close to my bed). However, I do sit on the couch to watch TV. Mainly because it's easier to just turn the TV on and watch it than it is to download stuff off the internet. And anyway, who's to say that you really need a chair for your computer? One could sit on the floor.

EDIT: I don't think I explained it clearly enough, my TV in my room doesn't have cable, because cable doesn't run to that part of my house (Two story, 3-4 rooms on each story).

Also, 80GB is the biggest model. It's just that it uses software instead of hardware for backwards compatibility, and therefore does not run as smoothly with older games. The 80GB and 60GB cost the same though.

[Crispy Dave]

Well, I do just fine without both:smalltongue: . No TV leaves more time for gaming(and posting:smallbiggrin: ), and I can get all the TV shows I want through netflix if I'm patient, which means I can watch them at my leisure and without adds. And since I don't have a TV, I simply use my desk chair as my only media consumption body-supporter, which I conveniently place in front of my computer. But then, I am abnormal.

And 60gb is the big model? Damn, that's small...

you tube my friend you tube

[warty goblin]

you tube my friend you tube

Youtube with my internet? It actually is faster to wait until the shows are out on DVD. Anyway, I'm only watching old stuff right now (Buffy, Xena, Babylon 5), so its not like I'm left in suspense between seasons, waiting for the DVD release.

[Crispy Dave]

ehhhhh i always liked using youtube to watch a missed episode you just got to get there befor it gets deleted

[Herf]

I consider myself a hardcore gamer. Very hardcore. On my way to work I play games on whatever handheld I'm currently in the mood for, DS or PSP. While I'm working at my boring office job I play games with the people around me, word games, movie games, quote games, guessing games, puzzle games, riddle games, any kinda game that leaves your hands and eyes free to type. I play more handheld games on my way home from work. A few times a week I go to a mates house for pen and paper RPGs like DnD, Call of Cthulhu, Twilight 2000, Warhammer Fantasy, Slaine etc. When I get home I play games on my PC and Wii. Yes, just PC and Wii, because these are the only two formats I need to satisfy me.

The PC... Well, we all know about it, and it's all been said before. Almost every game that ever was can be played on the PC normally or with emulators. The PC has the best graphics. The PC is best for RTS, Space Sims, RPGs and, until recently, FPS. I've been playing games on my PC since I was 11, back in the days of DOS games, and I don't ever plan to stop. Why do I like the PC so much? Buttons. Yup, thats right, buttons. There's so damned many of them, and most of them are in easy reach with just one hand (other hand on the mouse). This gives whole new levels of ability to games. Remeber when the NES came out? 4 directional buttons, Start, Select, A and B. That was it. Every successive generation of consoles has had more and more buttons, 12 for the SNES, 18 for the PS, until they've reached the point where they can't fit any more buttons on...

Enter the Wii. Some people have called motion sensitivity a gimmick... A gimmick... Wow, it's taking me a while to process this... A gimmick? Really? Gimmick? The motion sensitive controls are pure genius. They're easy to use (Except in badly ported games, which is no fault of Nintendo) and reliable, and they don't take up space on your controller. Hehe, almost forgot the controller, it's a remote, now tell me that's not comfortable, go on, I dare you. The remote is so intuitive and ergonomic, it's a dream to use. Now, for the first time in my life, I'm tempted to play games on a console rather than my PC, I think I'm dreaming.
The graphics on the Wii... Well, have you looked at Metroid Prime 3? It's beautiful, literally beautiful. Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? Gorgeusly ghastly. Although I don't own a 360 I've seen them in action, and I'd say the graphics on the Wii are on par. Obviously, they're not on par with the PS3, but that's because the PS3 is nothing but an extremely expensive graphics card that underperforms for it's price.

Other good things about my Wii... Backwards compatibility with gamecube games, NES games, SNES games, N64 games, NeoGeo games, TurboGrafX games and possibly some more I may have forgotten about. To go online and play games there's no charge, no membership fee, no hidden fees. My wii is wireless compatible.

But the thing I love most about my Wii... Well, the fact that I just typed and submitted this post with my Wii should tell you what my favourite thing is... Internet browsing.

[Archonic Energy]

Joysticks and flight controls? Name a game worth playing on the PC that needs those? There's a total of what, Flight Simulator X?

*Cough*

X3: the Return.

[Triaxx]

Don't forget the Sega Master system, and Genesis.

Please. Don't mention the X series. *shudder*

[Lord Shplane]

Enter the Wii. Some people have called motion sensitivity a gimmick... A gimmick... Wow, it's taking me a while to process this... A gimmick? Really? Gimmick? The motion sensitive controls are pure genius. They're easy to use (Except in badly ported games, which is no fault of Nintendo) and reliable, and they don't take up space on your controller. Hehe, almost forgot the controller, it's a remote, now tell me that's not comfortable, go on, I dare you. The remote is so intuitive and ergonomic, it's a dream to use. Now, for the first time in my life, I'm tempted to play games on a console rather than my PC, I think I'm dreaming.


It's not comfortable. It's a stick that was not in any way designed to fit the human hand. Controllers from any other recent game console are preferable. Even the giant origina XBox controllers.

Controls may be easy for a few games, but generally they're not. Almost any movement besides waggle and pointing is difficult to do. Waggle is annoying, and while I can see the appeal of pointing in shooting games, I personally dislike it.

Yes it is gimmicky. It in no way adds to the gaming experience, it simply substitutes a few buttons (Because the Wiimote has less buttons than other controllers) for the ability to move your hand around. And if the Wiimote was expanded to have as many buttons as other controllers, it would be even less comfortable than it already is.

Also, you need an extra piece (The nunchuk) to have a joystick. Therefore, in order to play any game that requires a joystick (most Wii games), one must have a giant cord hanging inbetween their hands annoying the hell out of them.



The graphics on the Wii... Well, have you looked at Metroid Prime 3? It's beautiful, literally beautiful. Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles? Gorgeusly ghastly. Although I don't own a 360 I've seen them in action, and I'd say the graphics on the Wii are on par. Obviously, they're not on par with the PS3, but that's because the PS3 is nothing but an extremely expensive graphics card that underperforms for it's price.

Prime 3 does look good. I'll give you that. Mario Galaxy also looks pretty good. Umbrella Chronicles though? It barely looks any better than the first three games. RE4 had better graphics than it, and a large number of old PS2 and Gamecube games looked better than it. This isn't the Wii's fault, but really don't say that Umbrella Chronicles looks good.

Here's an example:
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/803/803846/resident-evil-umbrella-chronicles-20070711070805599.jpg

The 360 far outperforms the Wii in graphics, as can be illustrated by looking at almost any 360 game. The PS3 does slightly better than the 360, though not really much (This coming from an admitted PS3 fanboy).

The PS3 is far more than a graphics card. All SKU's come with free online play, the ability to play Blu-Ray, DVD and CD discs, free online support, PS1 backwards compatibilty, WiFi, and Bluetooth connectivity, and USB ports. The $500 60 GB and 80 GB models come with all of that plus PS2 backwards compatibility (Which I expect the 40 GB model to get via a firmware update sometime in the near future).

And, of course, it plays a lot of excellent PS3 games, as well as a lot of excellent cross-platform games. And really, it performs just fine for its price, as I have never regretted the purchase of my PS3, unlike my Wii, which I would sell if Brawl wasn't coming out.


Other good things about my Wii... Backwards compatibility with gamecube games, NES games, SNES games, N64 games, NeoGeo games, TurboGrafX games and possibly some more I may have forgotten about. To go online and play games there's no charge, no membership fee, no hidden fees. My wii is wireless compatible.

The only games that the Wii is truly "Backwards compatible" with are Gamecube games. In order to play NES, SNES etc. games, you have to buy them from the Virtual Console. You can't go pick up your old copy of Super Mario World, plug it into the Wii, and start playing. And since not every, or even close to every, SNES, NES etc. game is available for download from the Virtual Console, it is not really that usefull for playing old games, especially if you already have the previous system or a PC emulator.

The PS3 is also wireless compatible. Right out of the box. And the 360 can become wireless compatible with the purchase of an external device that I can't remember the name of at the moment.


But the thing I love most about my Wii... Well, the fact that I just typed and submitted this post with my Wii should tell you what my favourite thing is... Internet browsing.

The PS3 also has internet browsing, and can generally run flash programs and such that the Wii can't because it doesn't have enough internal memory (Yes it happens, I've had it happen to me before). I don't know about the 360, but I assume it does as well.

And as a PC owner, why would you need Wii internet browsing? The PC is undeniably the best existing web browsing device.

[Herf]

It's not comfortable. It's a stick that was not in any way designed to fit the human hand. Controllers from any other recent game console are preferable.
Just like TV remotes aren't designed to fit the human hand? I think we have a case of differing opinions here, as I find my Wii-mote to be very comfortable.


Controls may be easy for a few games, but generally they're not. Almost any movement besides waggle and pointing is difficult to do. Waggle is annoying, and while I can see the appeal of pointing in shooting games, I personally dislike it.
Any game designed for Wii that I've played has had near-perfect motion sensitive controls. I admitted that ports have bad controls, but this shouldn't be attributed to the Wii but to the third party developers who aren't putting enough effort in.


It in no way adds to the gaming experience, it simply substitutes a few buttons (Because the Wiimote has less buttons than other controllers) for the ability to move your hand around. And if the Wiimote was expanded to have as many buttons as other controllers, it would be even less comfortable than it already is.

Also, you need an extra piece (The nunchuk) to have a joystick. Therefore, in order to play any game that requires a joystick (most Wii games), one must have a giant cord hanging inbetween their hands annoying the hell out of them.
I believe that removing the need to have so many buttons is exactly why the Wii-mote is so superior, there's nothing more natural than the motion controls in the properly designed games. Bring your left hand back towards your shoulder and move it forward quickly to throw a grenade (Call of Duty 3), twisting energy cells and pulling them out from walls with a simple twist and pull of your hand (Metroid 3), these games make buttons seem obsolete. Doing the things your character is doing in the game brings you closer to the gaming experience, which is what I would imagine people want from games. I know it's what I want.


Umbrella Chronicles though? It barely looks any better than the first three games. RE4 had better graphics than it, and a large number of old PS2 and Gamecube games looked better than it. This isn't the Wii's fault, but really don't say that Umbrella Chronicles looks good.

Here's an example:
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/803/803846/resident-evil-umbrella-chronicles-20070711070805599.jpg
Darn, I went a-searching for a better screenshot, as the one above really doesn't do the game justice, but alas, all the screenshots I found make it look like a second rate PS2 game. I fear you're just going to have to take my word for it, I own the game and have played through every stage it has to offer, and never did I notice any clipping or jarred images or squared edges, maybe I was lost in atmosphere. I'll give you this point :)


The PS3 is far more than a graphics card. All SKU's come with free online play, the ability to play Blu-Ray, DVD and CD discs, free online support, PS1 backwards compatibilty, WiFi, and Bluetooth connectivity, and USB ports. The $500 60 GB and 80 GB models come with all of that plus PS2 backwards compatibility (Which I expect the 40 GB model to get via a firmware update sometime in the near future).
You've made me re-evaluate my beliefs about the PS3, it's now gone up in my opinion. I didn't know it had Bluetooth or USB ports.


And as a PC owner, why would you need Wii internet browsing? The PC is undeniably the best existing web browsing device.
Granted, but my flatmate's laptop recently broke, so instead of buying a new laptop or PC she simply started using the Wii. Investing in a £10 USB keyboard was worth it. She watches movies on youtube all the time, mostly Flight of the Conchordes songs, and says she's never had a problem. Do you have a SD memory card plugged into your Wii? Like Windows, the Wii can utilise extra available memory when it doesn't have enough internal memory.

Lord Shplane, everything else you said was spot on as far as I can tell. There you have it people, the story of two men and their Wiis.

[Triaxx]

It's not comfortable. It's a stick that was not in any way designed to fit the human hand. Controllers from any other recent game console are preferable. Even the giant origina XBox controllers.

Controls may be easy for a few games, but generally they're not. Almost any movement besides waggle and pointing is difficult to do. Waggle is annoying, and while I can see the appeal of pointing in shooting games, I personally dislike it.

Yes it is gimmicky. It in no way adds to the gaming experience, it simply substitutes a few buttons (Because the Wiimote has less buttons than other controllers) for the ability to move your hand around. And if the Wiimote was expanded to have as many buttons as other controllers, it would be even less comfortable than it already is.

Also, you need an extra piece (The nunchuk) to have a joystick. Therefore, in order to play any game that requires a joystick (most Wii games), one must have a giant cord hanging in between their hands annoying the hell out of them.

It's not how many buttons you have, it's how you use them. I'll admit, some of the mini-games that use the Wiimote could do just as well as button mashers. Yes, the waggle is mildly inconvienent. So are the tapping contests that pop up. But I can point my Wiimote and pick off enemies beyond the range of the cursor. Tiny little weak point? No problem, I can lead far more easily, and far more naturally just by pointing.

No human hand? Stop trying to wrap your fingers all the way around. You need nothing but thumb and forefinger. Anything else just gets in the way.

Less buttons? Oh, teh horrors. Now I don't have to remember which of the hundred and eighty three buttons fires the gun. I don't have to hunt down the instruction manual just to figure out how to open the pause menu.

The Nunchuck? You pick that as a complaint? Really, I'll give you that some motions cause cord bounce, but after a few minutes, you completely forget you are even holding the Wiichuck.


Prime 3 does look good. I'll give you that. Mario Galaxy also looks pretty good. Umbrella Chronicles though? It barely looks any better than the first three games. RE4 had better graphics than it, and a large number of old PS2 and Gamecube games looked better than it. This isn't the Wii's fault, but really don't say that Umbrella Chronicles looks good.

The 360 far outperforms the Wii in graphics, as can be illustrated by looking at almost any 360 game. The PS3 does slightly better than the 360, though not really much (This coming from an admitted PS3 fanboy).

Show me a game that outperforms the Wii. Don't just show me that Wii games are ugly, show me a pretty 360 game. Because I have yet to see one.


The PS3 is far more than a graphics card. All SKU's come with free online play, the ability to play Blu-Ray, DVD and CD discs, free online support, PS1 backwards compatibilty, WiFi, and Bluetooth connectivity, and USB ports. The $500 60 GB and 80 GB models come with all of that plus PS2 backwards compatibility (Which I expect the 40 GB model to get via a firmware update sometime in the near future).

Don't count on it. Last I heard, the 60 and 80 GB models used hardware emulation. On the other hand, with the minor exception of the still useless Blu-Ray, my computer can do all that and more.


And, of course, it plays a lot of excellent PS3 games, as well as a lot of excellent cross-platform games. And really, it performs just fine for its price, as I have never regretted the purchase of my PS3, unlike my Wii, which I would sell if Brawl wasn't coming out.

Excellent PS3 games? That's a total of... Warhawk?


The only games that the Wii is truly "Backwards compatible" with are Gamecube games. In order to play NES, SNES etc. games, you have to buy them from the Virtual Console. You can't go pick up your old copy of Super Mario World, plug it into the Wii, and start playing. And since not every, or even close to every, SNES, NES etc. game is available for download from the Virtual Console, it is not really that usefull for playing old games, especially if you already have the previous system or a PC emulator.

The PS3 is also wireless compatible. Right out of the box. And the 360 can become wireless compatible with the purchase of an external device that I can't remember the name of at the moment.

And if it's a rare game, that I didn't have, but still wanted to play? I still have those previous systems, but try finding games for them? The choice comes down to A) Wait 6-8 weeks for them to arrive from Ebay/Amazon, or B) Have them as soon as the download is done?

Hey! Guess what? The Wii is compatible out of the box as well. No, you don't need the little stick. The Wii picks up the home network just fine. That's just for people who don't already have a WiFi network.




The PS3 also has internet browsing, and can generally run flash programs and such that the Wii can't because it doesn't have enough internal memory (Yes it happens, I've had it happen to me before). I don't know about the 360, but I assume it does as well.

And as a PC owner, why would you need Wii internet browsing? The PC is undeniably the best existing web browsing device.

I don't have to say it, you talked yourself out of this one.

[Lord Shplane]

Just like TV remotes aren't designed to fit the human hand? I think we have a case of differing opinions here, as I find my Wii-mote to be very comfortable.

Yeah, I just find regular controllers to be far more comfortable. In retrospect, that is entirely dependent on the individual.


Any game designed for Wii that I've played has had near-perfect motion sensitive controls. I admitted that ports have bad controls, but this shouldn't be attributed to the Wii but to the third party developers who aren't putting enough effort in.

Yes, most games with bad motion controls are 3d party, I'll give you that. But the Wii needs 3d party developers just as much as other consoles, and if 3d party developers can't get it down, we're going to end up with five or six really good first party games and then a giant pile of crap.

Also, not all first party games utilize the motion controls properly. Mario Party 8, for example, had horrible ones.


I believe that removing the need to have so many buttons is exactly why the Wii-mote is so superior, there's nothing more natural than the motion controls in the properly designed games. Bring your left hand back towards your shoulder and move it forward quickly to throw a grenade (Call of Duty 3), twisting energy cells and pulling them out from walls with a simple twist and pull of your hand (Metroid 3), these games make buttons seem obsolete. Doing the things your character is doing in the game brings you closer to the gaming experience, which is what I would imagine people want from games. I know it's what I want.

Really, it may be what you want, but it's not what everyone wants. Yes, a lot of people probably do want that. But there are also a lot of people that don't. Me for example.

And honestly, I would much rather push a button to do all of the things you mentioned above.

The Wiimote is really a matter of opinion. I and many others don't like it. You and many others do. Really, I just wish that Nintendo didn't force it on those of us who don't like it. Let games like Mario Galaxy and Prime 3 have Gamecube controller options like Brawl will, and I would have no problem with the Wii at all.


Darn, I went a-searching for a better screenshot, as the one above really doesn't do the game justice, but alas, all the screenshots I found make it look like a second rate PS2 game. I fear you're just going to have to take my word for it, I own the game and have played through every stage it has to offer, and never did I notice any clipping or jarred images or squared edges, maybe I was lost in atmosphere. I'll give you this point :)

Someone on the internet admitting that they were wrong?! Is this the apocalypse?!?

:smallbiggrin:



You've made me re-evaluate my beliefs about the PS3, it's now gone up in my opinion. I didn't know it had Bluetooth or USB ports.

Really, I only thought the Bluetooth and USB stuff were fluff. Just a few things to make it more standardized. Not really anything big. I suppose it is pretty nice though, since any bluetooth device can be registered to it (Any bluetooth headphone, for example, instead of having to buy a specific one like the 360.). The controllers are Bluetooth as well, so I guess that's pretty nice, since it allows 3d party controller manufacturers to make them more easily.

My favorite thing about the PS3, though, is really the free online gaming. While the Wii has it too, it has a really annoying way of doing it (Friend codes), and like I said before, I don't really enjoy playing most Wii games.


Granted, but my flatmate's laptop recently broke, so instead of buying a new laptop or PC she simply started using the Wii. Investing in a £10 USB keyboard was worth it. She watches movies on youtube all the time, mostly Flight of the Conchordes songs, and says she's never had a problem. Do you have a SD memory card plugged into your Wii? Like Windows, the Wii can utilise extra available memory when it doesn't have enough internal memory.

No, I don't have a card. But really, why would I need one when I have a PC?


Lord Shplane, everything else you said was spot on as far as I can tell. There you have it people, the story of two men and their Wiis.

That made me lol. Also, thanks for being civil. It's a pretty rare thing to find, you know, a reasonable conversation on the interwebs.

RESPONSE FOR TRIAXX


It's not how many buttons you have, it's how you use them. I'll admit, some of the mini-games that use the Wiimote could do just as well as button mashers. Yes, the waggle is mildly inconvienent. So are the tapping contests that pop up. But I can point my Wiimote and pick off enemies beyond the range of the cursor. Tiny little weak point? No problem, I can lead far more easily, and far more naturally just by pointing.

And the more buttons you have, the easier it is to have the character do multiple things, now isn't it? With the Wiimote, many controls will overlap. For example, aiming and punching. Let's say you have an FPS in which you use the Wiimote to aim. However, you also use a quick movement of the Wiimote to melee. So there's a chance of meleeing instead of moving the cursor every time you try to aim. With buttons, there is no chance of that, because all buttons are completely seperate items.

Yah, tapping contests are annoying. But not the majority, or even very many at all, games with normal controllers use them. Waggle, however, is standard for many Wii games.

As for aiming, yes it is a bit easier. As is mouse and keyboard and guncon type things. But still, I prefer dual-analog, as do many of my friends. Regardless of how easy something is, it still isn't always the most fun thing for everyone.


No human hand? Stop trying to wrap your fingers all the way around. You need nothing but thumb and forefinger. Anything else just gets in the way.

I hold it the same way as everone else, and it still annoys me to no end.


Less buttons? Oh, teh horrors. Now I don't have to remember which of the hundred and eighty three buttons fires the gun. I don't have to hunt down the instruction manual just to figure out how to open the pause menu.

His argument was that the Wiimote allowed for more actions to be taken. My argument was that it simply replaced previous button controls with new motion detection ones.


The Nunchuck? You pick that as a complaint? Really, I'll give you that some motions cause cord bounce, but after a few minutes, you completely forget you are even holding the Wiichuck.

I never forgot that it was there. I have never played a Wii game without at some time hoping that I didn't have that cord.


Show me a game that outperforms the Wii. Don't just show me that Wii games are ugly, show me a pretty 360 game. Because I have yet to see one.

*WARNING: SOME IMAGES ARE VERY LARGE*

Resident Evil 5- PS3/360

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/808/808266/resident-evil-5-20070726113942790.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1352/907822986_9b6f57ab95.jpg

MGS4- PS3

http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/e4all_mgs4_header.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/814/814514/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20070822051549322.jpg

http://images2.ggl.com/images/mgsmonkey3.jpg

Soulcalibur IV- PS3/360

http://xboxer.tv/sc4_pub_ss_nightmare001.jpg

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/821/821012/soulcalibur-iv-20070919063257287.jpg

http://www.megatonnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/soulcaliburiv4r1jq5z.jpg

Killzone 2- PS3 (It's hard to tell just how beatiful this game is with only screenshots. Go look up a video or something.)

http://media.playstationpro2.com/images/killzone2-2.jpg

http://www.dignews.com/admin/screenshoot/killzone_2_05.jpg

http://www.tech2.com/media/images/img_2301_killzone2.2.jpg

Assassin's Creed- PS3/360

http://www.2404.org/downloads/Assassins%20Creed/11842985171.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/233/930022_20070822_screen001.jpg

I'd do more, but I'm bored.


Don't count on it. Last I heard, the 60 and 80 GB models used hardware emulation. On the other hand, with the minor exception of the still useless Blu-Ray, my computer can do all that and more.

The 60 GB uses hardware. The 80 GB uses software. It is highly possible that, after enough people complaining, the 40 GB will have PS2 backwards compatibility added.

Yes, my computer can do that as well. But it's still nice that the PS3 can do it. And while I admit that Blu-Ray isn't the giant leap that Sony claims it to be, it isn't useless. It can make games and movies look better. It can also hold more content for aforementioned games and movies. Wouldn't it be great to have a single disc with every LotR or Star Wars movie on it?


Excellent PS3 games? That's a total of... Warhawk?

Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Folklore, Uncharted, and a large number of other games are already out. Add in the fact that FFXIII, FFXIII Vs, Disgaea 3, White Knight Chronicles, Infamous, Killzone 2, and MGS4 are coming out, and I feel very comfortable saying that the PS3 has an excellent library.


And if it's a rare game, that I didn't have, but still wanted to play? I still have those previous systems, but try finding games for them? The choice comes down to A) Wait 6-8 weeks for them to arrive from Ebay/Amazon, or B) Have them as soon as the download is done?

Sure, if the game's actually on the Virtual Console. Only a small fraction of all the games available for those systems are actually on it. And while it's nice to be able to download the ones that are there, by no means would I say that enough of them are for the Wii to be "Backwards compatible" with those systems. If anything, it just has a few ports.


Hey! Guess what? The Wii is compatible out of the box as well. No, you don't need the little stick. The Wii picks up the home network just fine. That's just for people who don't already have a WiFi network.

Never said it wasn't. I have my Wii registered with my wireless network.


TriaxxI don't have to say it, you talked yourself out of this one.

Not sure what you're implying here. Maybe I should have said PC and Mac or something like that?

Once again, I would like to thank Herf. This time for not acting like Triaxx did.

[warty goblin]

Lord Shplane, I looked at your screenies, hope you don't mind a few comments.

RE5: Game doesn't interest me but looks pretty good, has lots of stuff onscreen and a cool vibe to it.

MGS4: Actually looks kinda crappy. The ground is one uniform texture, and the models aren't that great. Not bad, but not great.

Soul Calibur: Meh. Not much onscreen, ground has little topography, little to no plant life, and the models are so-so, although the lighting in that last one is very nice.

Killzone 2: Honestly doesn't impress me graphically. Its not bad, but the art style is pretty bland (look, more dudes with assault rifles!), and again, although good, I wouldn't call it extraordinary.

Assassin's Creed: This game is undeniably beautiful, from the art to the animation to the textures. Although that knight in the last pic is doing something seriously funky with his neck.

Again, this is just based on the screens you posted.

[Lord Shplane]

Lord Shplane, I looked at your screenies, hope you don't mind a few comments.

RE5: Game doesn't interest me but looks pretty good, has lots of stuff onscreen and a cool vibe to it.

MGS4: Actually looks kinda crappy. The ground is one uniform texture, and the models aren't that great. Not bad, but not great.

Soul Calibur: Meh. Not much onscreen, ground has little topography, little to no plant life, and the models are so-so, although the lighting in that last one is very nice.

Killzone 2: Honestly doesn't impress me graphically. Its not bad, but the art style is pretty bland (look, more dudes with assault rifles!), and again, although good, I wouldn't call it extraordinary.

Assassin's Creed: This game is undeniably beautiful, from the art to the animation to the textures. Although that knight in the last pic is doing something seriously funky with his neck.

Again, this is just based on the screens you posted.

Yeah, I wish I could have found better pictures. Damn Google image search, not giving me the good ones.

[warty goblin]

Yeah, I wish I could have found better pictures. Damn Google image search, not giving me the good ones.

Finding good screenies is a pain I know. Somehow all of my game always look terrible in screenshots, even though I never notice that when playing...

[Lord Shplane]

Finding good screenies is a pain I know. Somehow all of my game always look terrible in screenshots, even though I never notice that when playing...

I think it's just that games tend to look better in motion. I have no evidence to back that up, but it is what I think.

[Joran]

The 60 GB uses hardware. The 80 GB uses software. It is highly possible that, after enough people complaining, the 40 GB will have PS2 backwards compatibility added.

I don't think so. Basically, the 40 GB is missing a key hardware component used in the 80 GB software emulation, and there are no plans to have software emulation for the 40 GB model.

Sony is better off using its money to build an online service close to Xbox Live.

Reference: http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/10/08/scee-no-plans-to-offer-ps2-backwards-compatibility-later-as-dlc/

Console Wars Analysis: Nintendo is winning, because every console it sells is at a profit. Nintendo also happens to one of the largest publishers on the Wii and so it double dips in this regard. Along with the DS, Nintendo is printing money.

As for the battle for second place, it's really too early to tell. My analysis is basically that Sony bet its Playstation gaming empire on trying to win the next HD format war. Sony did lose its stranglehold on the gaming market with both the Xbox 360 and Wii eating into its market share (mostly in the U.S./Europe, the Xbox sells very few in Japan), but if Sony wins Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD, it may have been worth it. Then again, this victory may be rendered moot if the next format happens to be direct downloads.

P.S. In my household, there's a Xbox 360, a Wii, and a gaming PC. Due to a crippling addiction to World of Warcraft, I mostly play the PC.

[Setra]

Sony is better off using its money to build an online service close to Xbox Live.
Yeah so let Sony spend a bunch of money on making their internet service SLIGHTLY better (maybe), and then we get to pay for it, YAY.

That sounds like so much fun, why didn't I think of that?

[Triaxx]

And the more buttons you have, the easier it is to have the character do multiple things, now isn't it? With the Wiimote, many controls will overlap. For example, aiming and punching. Let's say you have an FPS in which you use the Wiimote to aim. However, you also use a quick movement of the Wiimote to melee. So there's a chance of meleeing instead of moving the cursor every time you try to aim. With buttons, there is no chance of that, because all buttons are completely seperate items.

Yah, tapping contests are annoying. But not the majority, or even very many at all, games with normal controllers use them. Waggle, however, is standard for many Wii games.

Thankfully, the only game I've come across that in is the Transformers game, which used the same motion for both. RE4 had an advantage there, since it seperated the two with it's aiming mode.


As for aiming, yes it is a bit easier. As is mouse and keyboard and guncon type things. But still, I prefer dual-analog, as do many of my friends. Regardless of how easy something is, it still isn't always the most fun thing for everyone.

Actually, given the choice, I'd take digital buttons and one analog stick over two sticks.


I hold it the same way as everone else, and it still annoys me to no end.

Maybe you have too many fingers? Try removing a few and trying again. :smallwink:




His argument was that the Wiimote allowed for more actions to be taken. My argument was that it simply replaced previous button controls with new motion detection ones.

That's only a bad thing if the new motion detection ones are more confusing than the button ones.


I never forgot that it was there. I have never played a Wii game without at some time hoping that I didn't have that cord.

That's wierd. Unless you have arms longer than the cord, it shouldn't be noticable. Have you played MP3 yet?




The 60 GB uses hardware. The 80 GB uses software. It is highly possible that, after enough people complaining, the 40 GB will have PS2 backwards compatibility added.

Ah well, at worst it requires a purely software emulator. And the PS3 has processing power to spare for it.


Yes, my computer can do that as well. But it's still nice that the PS3 can do it. And while I admit that Blu-Ray isn't the giant leap that Sony claims it to be, it isn't useless. It can make games and movies look better. It can also hold more content for aforementioned games and movies. Wouldn't it be great to have a single disc with every LotR or Star Wars movie on it?

Unfortunately no. I'd rather not bring the HD wars into this topic, but I have the first three starwars on a DVD and I don't really need all six on one.


Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Folklore, Uncharted, and a large number of other games are already out. Add in the fact that FFXIII, FFXIII Vs, Disgaea 3, White Knight Chronicles, Infamous, Killzone 2, and MGS4 are coming out, and I feel very comfortable saying that the PS3 has an excellent library.

Sorry, knew I forgot one good one. Uncharted is fun.


Sure, if the game's actually on the Virtual Console. Only a small fraction of all the games available for those systems are actually on it. And while it's nice to be able to download the ones that are there, by no means would I say that enough of them are for the Wii to be "Backwards compatible" with those systems. If anything, it just has a few ports.

True, but two things: First, the PS3 is backwards compatible to PS1/2. XboX 360 is back compatible to the XboX (mostly). But only Nintendo has incentive to keep releasing the old games. Why? Because they're still making money, where Microsoft and Sony aren't. If you have the original cartridge, chances are you still have the original system.


Never said it wasn't. I have my Wii registered with my wireless network.

Not sure what you're implying here. Maybe I should have said PC and Mac or something like that?

Once again, I would like to thank Herf. This time for not acting like Triaxx did.

I didn't know you did have it connected, it sounded like you didn't know it could without it.

You countered your own arguement is what I was implying. Why surf on the Wii if you have a PC.

And I'd like to apologize for behaving like that. I can normally remain civil, but I'm starting to get tired of defending the console from the exact same arguments.

On the other hand, I've always preferred Yahoo's Image search over Googles.

[Lord Shplane]

I don't think so. Basically, the 40 GB is missing a key hardware component used in the 80 GB software emulation, and there are no plans to have software emulation for the 40 GB model.

Sony is better off using its money to build an online service close to Xbox Live.

Reference: http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/10/08/scee-no-plans-to-offer-ps2-backwards-compatibility-later-as-dlc/

Console Wars Analysis: Nintendo is winning, because every console it sells is at a profit. Nintendo also happens to one of the largest publishers on the Wii and so it double dips in this regard. Along with the DS, Nintendo is printing money.

As for the battle for second place, it's really too early to tell. My analysis is basically that Sony bet its Playstation gaming empire on trying to win the next HD format war. Sony did lose its stranglehold on the gaming market with both the Xbox 360 and Wii eating into its market share (mostly in the U.S./Europe, the Xbox sells very few in Japan), but if Sony wins Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD, it may have been worth it. Then again, this victory may be rendered moot if the next format happens to be direct downloads.

P.S. In my household, there's a Xbox 360, a Wii, and a gaming PC. Due to a crippling addiction to World of Warcraft, I mostly play the PC.

I see your point on the hardware for the PS3 and software emulation, but I still think that it's possible. I'm pretty sure that there are PS2 emulators available for the PC, so I don't doubt that they could do it. You know, since PC's generally don't have those coils or whatever either. And if enough people complain, they will.

As for Nintendo winning? I could care less about profit. A lot of ridiculously popular games are either pure crap or more hype than substance. Case in point: Halo. Halo, while a good game, really isn't anywhere near as good as people say it is. After playing several other FPS's, I can think of at least 3 that I like more: Resistance, CoD4, and, surprisingly, Turok 2 (Mostly because it's so hilarious).

And as for Live vs. PSN? I really don't see anything that makes Live any better than PSN, besides maybe achievements, and PS3 owners are getting our own version of those with Home, called "Trophies". Oh, and Home. Home > Live.

Also, add a PS3 to your collection. All I need is a 360 to compplete mine, and I plan to get it as soon as I can find a job. Probably with my first paycheck (I'm 17, living at home, so I wouldn't have to pay for food with it :smallbiggrin: ). I'd get an Elite, since apparently they're less likely to break.

Also, if you get the PS3, get the 60 GB one. It's shiny. Also it's generally better than all the other ones except for the 80 GB, you know, having an 80 GB hardrive.

And I actually just though of a reason why direct downloads probably won't win the format war. With DD, you have to use space on your hard drive to hold the movies, right? But with discs, you can have a completely seperate item, and still have the space on your hard drive. So you don't have to buy a bigger one when you want more movies.

[Lord Shplane]

Thankfully, the only game I've come across that in is the Transformers game, which used the same motion for both. RE4 had an advantage there, since it seperated the two with it's aiming mode.

Well, I know that not many games really do it now, but if they want to add in more movements, it will happen. I remember it happening to me with Marvel Ultimate Alliance, though most people admit that it was pretty crappy anyway.


Actually, given the choice, I'd take digital buttons and one analog stick over two sticks.

Digital buttons? Are you talking about the d-pad? I am now confused.


Maybe you have too many fingers? Try removing a few and trying again. :smallwink:

Like I said, it's not really about the fingers or anything. I just don't like how it feels. It might be just me though.

I have five fingers though. Should I only have four?


That's only a bad thing if the new motion detection ones are more confusing than the button ones.

Or if you're like me, and just don't like motion detection. I'd really rather just push a button.


That's wierd. Unless you have arms longer than the cord, it shouldn't be noticable. Have you played MP3 yet?

Generally, the cord is really loose with me. And it just annoys me to have it hanging there. I'm not sure why, it doesn't usually get in the way of playing or anything, it just really does annoy me.


Ah well, at worst it requires a purely software emulator. And the PS3 has processing power to spare for it.

Yesh.


Unfortunately no. I'd rather not bring the HD wars into this topic, but I have the first three starwars on a DVD and I don't really need all six on one.

Yeah, if you actually already had them. But someone just getting into it might want to have them all at once. And a Blu-Ray disc could do it, considering that it holds 6 times the amount of data as a CD. (Wikipedia it.)


Sorry, knew I forgot one good one. Uncharted is fun.

Also Ratchet and Clank. I forgot that one.


True, but two things: First, the PS3 is backwards compatible to PS1/2. XboX 360 is back compatible to the XboX (mostly). But only Nintendo has incentive to keep releasing the old games. Why? Because they're still making money, where Microsoft and Sony aren't. If you have the original cartridge, chances are you still have the original system.

Regardless though, chances are very high that nowhere near all of the games available will be ported. Even if Nintendo is making money, it still doesn't change anything.


I didn't know you did have it connected, it sounded like you didn't know it could without it.

Yeah, I had to go through a few hours of setting up codes and making sure that it didn't interfere with my other stuff, so I know that it's connected. :smallamused:


You countered your own arguement is what I was implying. Why surf on the Wii if you have a PC.

That was my argument...


And I'd like to apologize for behaving like that. I can normally remain civil, but I'm starting to get tired of defending the console from the exact same arguments.

Yeah, I know what it's like. I've get annoyed sometimes myself, when I have to defend the PS3.


On the other hand, I've always preferred Yahoo's Image search over Googles.

Yahoo always gives me porn. And while I don't have anything against porn, I'd really rather not be having it pop up unless I'm specifically looking for it. :smallbiggrin:

[Triaxx]

Well, I know that not many games really do it now, but if they want to add in more movements, it will happen. I remember it happening to me with Marvel Ultimate Alliance, though most people admit that it was pretty crappy anyway.




Digital buttons? Are you talking about the d-pad? I am now confused.

The like the face buttons on the N64 controller. I could press it, and know exactly how far I was going to move.


Like I said, it's not really about the fingers or anything. I just don't like how it feels. It might be just me though.

I have five fingers though. Should I only have four?

Nah, I wondered if you had six. That could probably make it difficult. :smallbiggrin:


Or if you're like me, and just don't like motion detection. I'd really rather just push a button.

I just like to argue about it. :smallcool:


Generally, the cord is really loose with me. And it just annoys me to have it hanging there. I'm not sure why, it doesn't usually get in the way of playing or anything, it just really does annoy me.

It's not you. My Wiimote is the same way. The plug doesn't fit as snugly as I think it should. I personally just removed the wrist strap, which didn't seem to have a point to it.


Yeah, if you actually already had them. But someone just getting into it might want to have them all at once. And a Blu-Ray disc could do it, considering that it holds 6 times the amount of data as a CD. (Wikipedia it.)

I'll take your word for it.


Also Ratchet and Clank. I forgot that one.

Those are games that are: One is quite enough thank you.


Regardless though, chances are very high that nowhere near all of the games available will be ported. Even if Nintendo is making money, it still doesn't change anything.

True, part of it being that not all the games can be ported because most of them are owned by other companies. Square is a big one that could make a lot of ports. Superior games like the first six FF's. Or inferior ones, like Chrono stuff.


Yeah, I had to go through a few hours of setting up codes and making sure that it didn't interfere with my other stuff, so I know that it's connected. :smallamused:

*shakes head* At least it plays nice. Now reports are coming in that the 360 screws up WiFi networks. The local Wal-Mart had to turn theirs off, because it was interfering with the scan guns.


Yeah, I know what it's like. I've get annoyed sometimes myself, when I have to defend the PS3.

Kind of like paddling up a waterfall sometimes, isn't it?


Yahoo always gives me porn. And while I don't have anything against porn, I'd really rather not be having it pop up unless I'm specifically looking for it. :smallbiggrin:

I'll second that. Make sure the mature content filter is on before you search. Someone who uses this computer refuses to remember to turn it back on.

The other problem with direct download is that if your computer encounters an error and cuts out part or the whole of the download, you're out the money, and the money to replace it. That's why I still buy CD's.