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Prezes
2024-03-13, 10:49 AM
I make character who is enchanter with social profinency. Mostly because I wanted diplomacy and other social skills as class skills.
Now I want to take Master Specialist PrC, yet I want to keep social skills as class skills.
Any help? I mostly care for diplomacy and bluff

Inevitability
2024-03-13, 05:08 PM
Alternative Ways to get New Class Skills (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?491181-Alternative-ways-to-get-new-Class-skills&p=20885236#post20885236) is a pretty good resource.

One solution is to be a human or changeling and grab the Able Learner feat from cityscape, which lets you buy cross-class skills without spending double ranks, and because they were class skills in the past the cap is still at 3+level, so they're functionally in-class.

If you'd rather spend a level than a feat, human paragon gets you one skill of your choice as a permanent class skill, and the next two levels advance wizard casting and grant a feat and +2 ability boost on top (as well as better skills and more HP).

If your DM allows the savage tide player's guide, there's a regional feat that lets you pick 3 intelligence/charisma skills to add to your list. I think Kingdoms of Kalamar has something similar.

Diplomacy is also obtainable with a Tome of Battle feat: Martial Study (White Raven) gives you diplomacy as permanent class skill and also grants a maneuver. Bluff is harder to get through a feat unless you're willing to sink two feats into Dragontouched and Draconic Heritage (and even then you require the DM to houserule a little).

Legacy Champion can give you master specialist class features at a slower rate while granting you full access to your expanded wizard skill list, but it's in Weapons of Legacy and not particularly caster-friendly.

Prezes
2024-03-13, 05:25 PM
Thanks

I forgot to say that my wizard is not a human ^^'

MaxiDuRaritry
2024-03-13, 05:30 PM
Have you already put the character in play? Because you might want to consider the beguiler, who specializes in enchantments and illusions, and it has social skills, as well.

Prezes
2024-03-13, 05:32 PM
I make beguiler few times, but I want to create wizard now

But idea is nice

MaxiDuRaritry
2024-03-13, 05:36 PM
I make beguiler few times, but I want to create wizard now

But idea is niceHave you considered a telepath psion (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/classes/psion.htm)/thrallherd (https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/prestigeClasses/thrallherd.htm)?

Prezes
2024-03-13, 05:39 PM
Thanks but not very interested in psionic class.

Do you think that full enchanter with social profinency is good? I not use metamagic very often anyway

Inevitability
2024-03-13, 05:46 PM
Another option is to bypass the need for Bluff entirely: Arcane Disciple (Threachery) or Arcane Disciple (Commerce) can get you 1/day Glibness as a 4th-level spell, which makes for a pretty long-duration +30 bonus to Bluff checks and immunity to magical lie detection. You do need to match alignments with a deity granting either domain, though, and at a glance that means you have to be playing Dragonlance and CE (to worship Hiddukel) or playing Eberron and NG/TN (to worship the sovereign host/kol korran).

Prezes
2024-03-15, 12:57 PM
Just find the perfect feat: Flexible mind https://realmshelps.net/charbuild/feat/Flexible_Mind

My drow wizard have chaotic good alingment, so flexible mind (bluff, diplomacy) would be perfect for her

Aereni Focus (diplomacy) would be good as well - https://dnd.arkalseif.info/feats/players-guide-to-eberron--13/aereni-focus--43/index.html


Another question: She also take Cohort instead of familiar.

Upon reaching 6th level, an enchanter using this variant gains the service of a loyal cohort of the player's choice (with the game master's approval). The cohort is a 4th-level character when first gained; after that point, follow the normal rules described in the Leadership feat to determine the cohort's level, but treat the enchanter's level as being two lower than normal.

Is that mean that gaining levels as master specialist will let her cohort be stronger as well?

Rebel7284
2024-03-17, 12:04 AM
What exactly is your race and built so far? What sources are allowed? There are many ways to approach this, and knowing what you are dealing with will help narrow things down.

Prezes
2024-03-18, 12:01 PM
What exactly is your race and built so far? What sources are allowed? There are many ways to approach this, and knowing what you are dealing with will help narrow things down.

In general I wanted to make good drow wizard. Also she has to be good Face.

Here is info about her

race: drow (savage progression variant. Not take that two drow level)
alingment: chaotic good
class: wizard (enchanter with social profinency and cohort variant). 5 level

Str: 6
Dex: 16
Con: 12
Int: 19
Wis: 10
Cha: 14

Skills:

Spellcraft: 14 (8 rank, +4 from Int, +2 from synergy)
Concentration: 9 (8 rank, +1 from Con)
Knowledge (arcana): 13 (8 rank, +4 from Int, +1 from Absent minded)
Knowledge (planes): 13 (8 rank, +4 from Int, +1 from Absent minded)
Bluff: 13 (8 rank, +2 from Cha, +2 from Nymph kissed, +1 from Flexible mind)
Diplomacy: 20 (8 rank, +2 from Cha, +2 from Nymph kissed, +4 from synergy, +1 from polite, +1 from Flexible mind)
Sense motives: 5 (5 skill points from Nymph kissed)

Feats:
1: Scribe scroll, Nymph kissed
3: Flexible mind (diplomacy and bluff), Fiery burst (extra feat from Hot blooded flaw)
5: Touch of distracion (extra feat from Freespirited feat)

I take Flexible mind to make diplomacy and bluff class skilled, not matter what class will be taken (in case I will take prestige class which don't have that skills as class skills)

I take fiery burst for attack option and +1 CL for fire spells
I take touch of distracion for +1 CL to enchantment spells

Flaws:
Hot blooded
Free spirited

Traits:
Absent minded
Polite


Sources? Hmm
Probally I avoid Pathfinder traits as they are not very balanced. Pathfinder feats are acceptable


BTW: Where I can find more sources for traits?