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Forrestfire
2008-01-16, 07:43 PM
If I have a Non-Psionic Thri-Kreen (With the +1 LA bought off) monk 7/Fighter 11 who has a monk's belt, 4 +1 Speed Kamas, and the normal, improved, and greater multiweapon fighting feats, is his attack routine with the kamas in a flurry with his multiweapon fighting feats +16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+11/+11/+11/+11/+6/+6/+6/+6?

Theli
2008-01-16, 07:49 PM
The common consensus is that speed only lets you get one extra attack from a full attack. They don't stack to give you 4 extra attacks total if you have 4 speeded weapons.

Don't know about the rest of the stuff.

tyckspoon
2008-01-16, 08:34 PM
Monk 7/Fight 11/Thri-Kreen 2: BAB 18, +1 weapon
Attack pattern 19/14/9/4

Flurrying: Monk 7, one extra highest BAB attack, -1 penalty to all attacks
18/18/13/8/3

Speed enchantment, one extra attack, presumably done with the highest BAB attack, no penalty:
18/18/18/13/8/3

Multiweapon fighting with light weapons: One extra attack per arm, -2 penalty to all attacks
16/16/16 (primary arm)
16/16/16 (3 secondary arms)
11/6/1 (rest of the primary arm.)

Improved Multiweapon: additional off-arm attack at -5
16/16/16/11/6/1 primary arm
16/16/16/11/11/11 secondary arms.

Greater Multiweapon: third off-arm attack at -10..
16/16/16/11/6/1 primary
16/16/16/11/11/11/6/6/6 secondary arms.

Six attacks at highest BAB, four at the next two, and then one at the lowest. Aside from Speed not stacking, you have it right.

Considering the cost involved in getting four magic weapons, you may be better off just getting an Amulet of Mighty Fists and going the Multiattack route. That'd give you an attack routine that looks like (without magic bonuses calculated):

17/17/12/7/2 Flurrying Unarmed Strike, primary attack
17/17/17/17 Secondary natural claw attacks, taking no penalty thanks to Improved Multiattack.

..btw, why the Monk's Belt? You're using weapons instead of your unarmed attack, so you aren't benefiting from the level boost there, you have real monk levels so you already get the Wis to AC, and the level boost for purposes of the base AC bonus only gets you one more point. There's probably a better belt you could be using.

Forrestfire
2008-01-16, 08:39 PM
the monks belt is to get greater flurry.

EDIT: I checked monks belt in the SRD. nevermind

EDIT 2: you get to use natural attacks with a flurry?

tyckspoon
2008-01-16, 08:56 PM
EDIT 2: you get to use natural attacks with a flurry?

No, they're not Special Monk Weapons. However, you *can* still use them as secondary attacks, in the same way you would use Two-Weapon/Multiweapon Fighting. Unarmed Strikes don't have to be with any specific part of the body, so you have your Thri-Kreen monk kicking people with his Unarmed Strike as a Flurry, and then making secondary attacks with all four of his claws. Normally that would have penalties similar to Two/Multiweapon Fighting, but Improved Multiattack removes those penalties for natural attacks.

Forrestfire
2008-01-16, 09:18 PM
so, with natural weapons and improved/greater multiattack, the attack routine would be (flurry)+15/+15/+10/+5/+0/(off-hand unarmed strikes)+15/+15/+15/(bite)+15/(claws)+15/+15/+15/+15/(imp. multiweapon off-hand unarmed strikes)+10/+10/+10/(greater multiweapon unarmed strikes)+5/+5/+5

+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+10/+10/+10/+10/+5/+5/+5/+5/+0

or (if I can fit rapidstrike and greater rapidstrike into the build)

(flurry)+15/+15/+10/+5/+0/(off-hand unarmed strikes)+15/+15/+15/(bite with rapidstrike)+15/+10/+5(claws with rapidstrike)+15/+15/+15/+15/+10/+10/+10/+10/+5/+5/+5/+5/(imp. multiweapon off-hand unarmed strikes)+10/+10/+10/(greater multiweapon unarmed strikes)+5/+5/+5

+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+15/+10/+10/+10/+10/+10/+10/+10/+10/+10/+5/+5/+5/+5/+5/+5/+5/+5/+5/+0


...Right?

Kristoss
2008-01-16, 11:35 PM
You cannot use claws and off-hand weapons at the same time as your using the claws to hold the weapons.

As for combining multi weapon fighting and flurry of blows, the weapons you use in your off-hand attacks cannot be used as part of your flurry of blows.
please see here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/faq)

your natural weapon attacks are at -5 unless you have improved multi attack

With BAB 18/13/8/3; +1 magic weapons; flurry of blows -1; greater multi-weapon fighting

16/16/16/11/6/1 (primary +1 speed weapon)
16/16/16/11/11/11/6/6/6 (+1 off hand weapons)
10 (bite attack)

All up and in order the full attack is
(primary +1 speed weapon) 16/16/16/
(3 +1 off-hand) 16/16/16/
(primary +1 speed) 11/
(3 +1 off-hand) 11/11/11/
(bite attack) 10/
(primary +1 speed) 6/
(3 +1 off-hand) 6/6/6/
(primary +1 speed) 1