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Gardakan
2008-02-02, 11:08 AM
So i think of my new character. I wanna play a druid by i choose an arcane trickster. We start level 8. I choose 1st level of rogue, 5 level of wizard, 1 level of assassin and 1 level of arcane trickster...

Imagine that. I have the sneak attack, with ubber spells and some class. And the death attack with my high score in inteligence... it's to funny. Turn invisible, hide to the monster for three rounds. Jump on it... make a sneak attack and he die...

Tell us what is your best class combo that you find(no Pun-Pun..)

Baxbart
2008-02-02, 11:15 AM
My eyes bleed when I read your horribly butchered attempt at speaking the English language....

Please, please, please tell me you aren't a native speaker, or I might cry.

Besides, a Rogue/Wizard/Assassin/Arcane Trickster is far from optimised. Generally speaking neither Assassin or Arcane Trickster are worth taking anyway, let alone giving up caster levels for!

Gardakan
2008-02-02, 11:27 AM
I'm form Quebec... i try to speak English of the better of my capacity...

Talya
2008-02-02, 11:29 AM
I'm form Quebec... i try to speak English of the better of my capacity...

Ça c'est bon. J'ai appris la français dans l'école, mais j'ai oubliée beaucoup de ma vocabulaire, et ma grammaire est terrible.

Gardakan
2008-02-02, 11:33 AM
C'est bien, mais c'est pas nécéssaire de parler français dans un forum anglais.

It's good, but it's not necessary to speak frenh in an English forum.

This is the translation...

Baxbart
2008-02-02, 11:38 AM
Don't worry - my french isn't too bad either :smallwink:

Fawsto
2008-02-02, 11:38 AM
You know, the best part of being from a Latin Lenguaged country is taht you might understand even a few dips on french XD.

Back to the topic.

Wizard 10. That is everything you need.

Kurald Galain
2008-02-02, 11:50 AM
What is your character concept?

If you want to sneak around and stab things unseen, your build arguably needs more rogue. Perhaps shadowdancer as a prestige class.

If you want to have "ubber" spells, your build arguably needs nothing but wizard.

Sir Giacomo
2008-02-02, 11:55 AM
Hi,

the wizard spellcasting/sneak/death attack approach is a viable concept.
You do not need to get as much spellcasting as a normal wizard in this case, because all the good rays (you add your death attack/sneak attack to the ray damage) are fairly low-level as spells.

Ideas/suggestions
-Try to get a halfling caster, if possible and appropriate in that campaign (adds +1 to hit, +2 DEX for another +1 to hit, you get a hide bonus of +4, and you get another +1 for thrown weapons).
-if you do not wish to take many assassin levels, you can increase your death attack via fox'cunning and the ability focus feat (+2 DC)
-unfortunately, you'll need to get the rogue level at level 6, not 1 - otherwise you'll not get the 8 ranks in move silently and hide at that level.

- Giacomo

EDIT: you could also get less spell-intensive by going rogue/Xclass first up to 5th level, then assassin for another 5 levels to get the necessary spellcasting (with a cheap item ot grant mage hand), and then the arcane trickster to progress the remaining assassin levels. By level 15, this nets you +8d6 sneak, impromptu sneak, DC 15 death attack + INT + 2 ability focus. UMD for all the magic you need (including divine power to get over the BAB problems). 10th level assassin spellcasting at 15th level is not too shabby, either (you can produce items and wands with feats base on those spells for more versatility, and/or get rings of wizardry). Outside core, there are also many interesting assassin spells, for instance critical strike (adding another +1d6 to sneak).

Talya
2008-02-02, 12:03 PM
C'est bien, mais c'est pas nécéssaire de parler français dans un forum anglais.

It's good, but it's not necessary to speak frenh in an English forum.

This is the translation...

I know...half the news I can get for my beloved Montreal Canadiens is in French. :)

Talya
2008-02-02, 12:12 PM
If you want a roguish gish, I recommend Swashbuckler/Rogue/Beguiler. I'm not fond of gish in general, but all three classes can use light armor, and there's an intelligence synergy. Be sure to take the "Daring Outlaw" feat when you can.

Another option is to just go swashbuckler/rogue/assassin. Your assassin spells are fairly good, too.

CASTLEMIKE
2008-02-02, 02:43 PM
I'm form Quebec... i try to speak English of the better of my capacity...

Very impressive second written language skills. I can only stumble out a few phrases in Japaneese and Spanish verbally. I hope you have noticed that generally most critics rarely rebuke a person in a second language while quite a few compliment with a second language.

Since you like Druids if the Precocious Apprentice feat trick will work in your game what about a Wizard -2 with PA, Druid -4, Arcane Heriophant -4 so spellcasting as Wizard -6 and a Druid -8 to meet PRC BAB and spellcasting requirements.

I like Ultimate Magus using a Beguiler and Conjurer Specialist with Ultimate Magus to Fuel metacasting.

Straight core Cloistered Cleric -7, Thaumaturgist -3 is pretty strong especially when you hit L11+ with Planar Ally spells and the Improved Ally special (Noble Djinni and Efretti are only 10HD). Nice for campaign emergencies (Almost fatal PC TPKs..) if not abused.

Fenix_of_Doom
2008-02-02, 05:20 PM
Very impressive second written language skills. I can only stumble out a few phrases in Japaneese and Spanish verbally. I hope you have noticed that generally most critics rarely rebuke a person in a second language while quite a few compliment with a second language.


But isn't it the greatest compliment to not notice that another person is not speaking/writing in his/her native language?


Also, while it certainly isn't the worst I've seen it is far from "very impressive", I admit my French is far worse, but that doesn't make this good.

Edit: just to add something useful, doesn't the unseen seer(CM) has similar flavour as this, maybe you should check it out.

CASTLEMIKE
2008-02-02, 06:20 PM
But isn't it the greatest compliment to not notice that another person is not speaking/writing in his/her native language?

Also, while it certainly isn't the worst I've seen it is far from "very impressive", I admit my French is far worse, but that doesn't make this good.



No, the greatest compliment is the second language speaker who is fluent enough to facilitate the communication between the two individuals to overcome the language barrier does so.

I disagree he wants to play a new PC in D&D. He would prefer a Druid PC normally but chooses to play a Arcane Trickster so he went Rogue -1, Wizard -5, Assassin -1, Arcane Trickster -1. It's unfortunate that there are native speakers of English who speak or write no other languages without his mastery and command of the english language in written form.

People can get by pretty well in most countries that speak different languages just by being knowledgeable enough to speak (not write) a few hundred words and basic numbers (Really really tough to play D&D with that limitation much less exchange information in written form). Really amazing how well you can do by being able to speak a few dozen simple phrases or numbers as most native speakers of a language are impressed by the foreigner who troubles themselves enough to learn some basic language skills.

Fenix_of_Doom
2008-02-02, 06:53 PM
No, the greatest compliment is the second language speaker who is fluent enough to facilitate the communication between the two individuals to overcome the language barrier does so.

That shows great skill, but how is it a compliment?



I disagree he wants to play a new PC in D&D. He would prefer a Druid PC normally but chooses to play a Arcane Trickster so he went Rogue -1, Wizard -5, Assassin -1, Arcane Trickster -1.
I got that part, I'm fairly capable of figuring out what people mean.



It's unfortunate that there are native speakers of English who speak or write no other languages without his mastery and command of the english language in written form.

Yes it is a pity, I find other languages can add a lot to your understanding of language in general. Could you please clarify what you mean with the "in written form" addition?



People can get by pretty well in most countries that speak different languages just by being knowledgeable enough to speak (not write) a few hundred words and basic numbers (Really really tough to play D&D with that limitation much less exchange information in written form). Really amazing how well you can do by being able to speak a few dozen simple phrases or numbers as most native speakers of a language are impressed by the foreigner who troubles themselves enough to learn some basic language skills.
People can get by without any words at all, just point and wave.

About being impressed by a few words; sure if someone would come here and spoke a few words dutch I'd probebly be impressed, if someone who is obviously not asian goes to Japan and manage to speak a few sentences I think they'd be impressed too, simply because the language is radically different.
English however is a very important language these days, foreigners often expects to local populace to speak it, etc. Standards are simply higher.

Emperor Tippy
2008-02-02, 07:06 PM
Wizard 5/ Incantatrix 5 is up there.

Aerogoat
2008-02-02, 09:01 PM
Turn invisible, hide to the monster for three rounds. Jump on it... make a sneak attack and he die...You'll have better luck just shooting a Glitterdust (or even Color Spray) at the bad guy than you will with your Death Attack:
Glitterdust has a higher DC, targets a weaker save, negates invisibility and affects an area. Invisibility just makes you useless for 3 rounds in order to do marginally increased damage.

You might consider Rogue 1/Wizard 4/Unseen Seer 10/Arcane Trickster 4 if you want a more optimized build. Able Learner could help with skills during your Wizard levels.
Unseen Seer: Complete Mage
Able Learner: Races of Destiny

Or, for a more Melee-oriented Wizard, Rogue 1/Wizard 4/Unseen Seer 1/Daggerspell Mage 10/Unseen Seer 4 isn't bad.
Daggerspell Mage: Complete Adventurer
Unseen Seer: Complete Mage


-unfortunately, you'll need to get the rogue level at level 6, not 1 - otherwise you'll not get the 8 ranks in move silently and hide at that level.Wait... are you saying that putting ranks in cross-class skills is a weak build option?
Anyway, there's also the Shadow Shaper (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#illusionistVariants) Illusionist variant which makes Hide a Class skill, which might help.

Leon
2008-02-02, 09:43 PM
So i think of my new character. I wanna play a druid by i choose an arcane trickster. We start level 8. I choose 1st level of rogue, 5 level of wizard, 1 level of assassin and 1 level of arcane trickster...

Imagine that. I have the sneak attack, with ubber spells and some class. And the death attack with my high score in inteligence... it's to funny. Turn invisible, hide to the monster for three rounds. Jump on it... make a sneak attack and he die...

Tell us what is your best class combo that you find(no Pun-Pun..)

So all those "help me make a druid" threads didnt help

CASTLEMIKE
2008-02-02, 10:21 PM
That shows great skill, but how is it a compliment?

Yes it is a pity, I find other languages can add a lot to your understanding of language in general. Could you please clarify what you mean with the "in written form" addition?

People can get by without any words at all, just point and wave.

About being impressed by a few words; sure if someone would come here and spoke a few words dutch I'd probebly be impressed, if someone who is obviously not asian goes to Japan and manage to speak a few sentences I think they'd be impressed too, simply because the language is radically different.
English however is a very important language these days, foreigners often expects to local populace to speak it, etc. Standards are simply higher.

The person considers the other person worth conversing with in the second language instead of feigning ignorance and politely excusing themselves or denying their fluency.

It's easy to learn a few verbal phrases or words in another language.
I can count verbally in Japaneese Each, Ni, San (1, 2, 3) I can't write the words in Japaneese One, Two, Three like I can in English since that is more difficult and not something I have ever had a need for with numbers being pretty universal.

Of course someone can point and wave but so can a monkey it is a very basic form of communication. Language facilitates the exchange of more complex communication.

Sure English is an important language but it doesn't discount the other languages billions of others in the world many of whom are only fluent in a single language.

Impress isn't the word it's respect. Most people realize it can take years to master a second or third language along with requiring some effort to maintain fluency. They also know it really doesn't require that much effort to learn some simple phrases and words for a very basic working knowledge of another language but most people don't make the time or effort if they are visiting a foreign country for a short visit.

Gardakan
2008-02-02, 10:48 PM
So all those "help me make a druid" threads didnt help

Yeah but a druid is not want i want to play... i want to play that... i thanks you for your help...

Gardakan
2008-02-02, 10:49 PM
So all those "help me make a druid" threads didnt help

Yeah but a druid is not want i want to play... i want to play that... i thanks you for your help...