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kentma57
2008-02-07, 08:33 PM
I am playing a BESM game, I don't have the book right now (and they took the SRD of the net) and I need a rule clarification; how does the Servat atribute work...

20 points at rank 1 +10 points for every additional rank
or
10 points per rank

to be clear I am asking how many points you get to build your servant with...

ps: if you happen to know how I could get a copy of the srd could you post it or PM me

UglyPanda
2008-02-07, 09:37 PM
If you're talking about the d20 version, here is an SRD (http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/animesrd.html).

I don't know if an SRD exists for the tri-stat editions.

Person_Man
2008-02-07, 11:00 PM
Big Eyes Small Mouth (http://www.white-wolf.com/besm/)? Maybe the Wiki (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/whitewolf/index.php/Big_Eyes%2C_Small_Mouth) can help?

I think I saw it once at a con. Is it any good?

kentma57
2008-02-08, 08:01 AM
Realy fun, much more flexable... I can't look a the links right now (my school blocks them) but thanks for trying (I will look at them when I get home)

Grug
2008-02-08, 09:56 AM
I'm currently running the game and I use the SRD. As written, a servant gets 10 points plus ten for every rank in the Servant attribute. So at rank one, the servetn has 20 points (10base +10 bonus). At rank two, the servant has 30 points (10 base + 20 bonus). And so on.

kentma57
2008-02-08, 11:38 AM
Thank and this mans that I've got 10 more points to spend; if you are wondering I am playing a Goa'uld and the Servant counts as my Host(Yay, no mental stats...) the Guy I am in right now is a nechien(andromada TV, bad plling sorry) so he can have any stats I want him to... I think weapon finess, +8 str, +4 con, + 4 dex would be the ay to go... (that would give him 28 str, 30con, 30 dex)

Iku Rex
2008-02-08, 12:26 PM
I can't look a the links right now (my school blocks them)...Try this: http://browseatwork.com/ .

kentma57
2008-02-08, 07:32 PM
Try this: http://browseatwork.com/ .

Thanks for the link but I'm home now and I saved a copy of the SRD to my flash drive...

Just Alex
2008-02-08, 09:39 PM
Big Eyes Small Mouth (http://www.white-wolf.com/besm/)? Maybe the Wiki (http://wiki.white-wolf.com/whitewolf/index.php/Big_Eyes%2C_Small_Mouth) can help?

I think I saw it once at a con. Is it any good?

BESM, particularly the Tri-Stat version, suffer horribly if the genre/setting isn't clear and consistent. It's a very entertaining system, since it supports basically anything. However, if someone breaks convention, it can break the game. I played in one that really stands out. It started as a sort of Mech Warrior style thing. Lots of different city-states around the world after some sort of catastrophe destroyed large government. Party is a bunch of mercenary pilots and spies. Things are going fine. Then the GM decides he wants fantasy in the game. Suddenly, vampires. Thousands of them. As it turns out, vampires lose to something with a nuclear generator for an engine. However, enough vampire corpses can clog the exhaust enough to cause a game ending explosion. The entire party and 3 plot critical NPC's died in that blast.

Mewtarthio
2008-02-08, 10:12 PM
I'm not sure if the sudden introduction of vampires is to blame for that failure so much as the sudden introduction of an arbitrary TPK.

Rockphed
2008-02-08, 10:33 PM
If I ever got involved in a BESM game, I would insist on playing a Feegle. I would attempt to shout "Crivens!" as much as possible and speak like a scotsman when possible. Unfortunately, the rules made my head spin, so I would need a very good GM to say "You want to be 6 inches tall, blue, really fast, fairly strong and have a sword that glows blue around lawyers? Okay, here is your character sheet."

tyckspoon
2008-02-08, 10:37 PM
If I ever got involved in a BESM game, I would insist on playing a Feegle. I would attempt to shout "Crivens!" as much as possible and speak like a scotsman when possible. Unfortunately, the rules made my head spin, so I would need a very good GM to say "You want to be 6 inches tall, blue, really fast, fairly strong and have a sword that glows blue around lawyers? Okay, here is your character sheet."

When I was more actively involved in BESM, I could probably put that together for you in under half an hour (at least in the Tri-Stat version. I never put in the time to properly grok the innards of the d20 edition.) Now I'd have to check the book on some of the costs.

kentma57
2008-02-09, 04:27 PM
I like BESM because it is so much easier to work with when using some random character idea, but you do need a GM who knows what is in the setting and keeps it consistant.

Grug
2008-02-09, 07:16 PM
Oh yeah. That Scrivens game sound awesome. I wanna join a comedy BESM

kentma57
2008-02-09, 08:57 PM
Well, if we can find a GM(game master) we could run a game on the forms...
I'll start a guaging interest thread...

Yami
2008-02-09, 09:11 PM
BESM is a great system, as long as your DM knows what's going on. Yes the system alows for any genre, but that doesn't mean you'll have cross genre screw ups unless your DM or players throw them in. Also, I'd reccomend taking a decent look at character sheets and making sure they aren't too broken. It's easy to do with the system, and isn't always what the campaign needs.

(of course, that gets into an issue of play balance. If all the players are built like monsterousities, than it's no problem.)

Edit: ah my bad, I thought you meant BESM not BESM D20.

Prustan
2008-02-10, 12:54 AM
Heck, I'd be interested in that comedy game as well. Just so long as we use TriStat dX rules, as there was some missing information in the Anime d20 SRD. Post a link to the interest thread please.

Yami
2008-02-10, 05:06 AM
why dx? If I remeber correctly some of the abilities don't scale well in dx. I myself prefer 3rd Ed. Much easier to run with.

Theli
2008-02-10, 01:06 PM
I have another question, if anyone can help. Was there some clarification given regarding how the dynamic sorcery attribute affect energy points? I'm thinking that it simply replaces energy die used, but the question is...does increased ranks have an effect on energy point gains from previous levels?

I would assume no. But, I would like to know if there was any clarification given on this aspect of besm d20.

Prustan
2008-02-11, 05:56 AM
why dx? If I remeber correctly some of the abilities don't scale well in dx. I myself prefer 3rd Ed. Much easier to run with.

Well, heck. We'd be playing in an anime inspired setting, where horrendously over-powered stuff happens just about every day, and people survive it. But that's what the GM is for, to make sure that the game-breaking stuff - whether dX or d20 - doesn't happen.
And I'd prefer dX because, from what I've read of the d20 SRD, they just copy pasted most of the stuff from dX anyway, and twisted the character creation and advancement stuff to try make it fit with d20. Better to use the original stuff I say.

Yami
2008-02-11, 07:18 AM
Which is why I would suggest 3rd Ed. Or, heck, we could go with the actual original. Dx, the original is not.

MY problem isn't with the game breaking stuff. BESM has always had that issue. That's why we invented DMs. It's that in the Dx system some things don't scale properly. It's a system flaw and an imbalance issue, not the open ended character creation I have a problem with.

Prustan
2008-02-12, 03:51 AM
Good point. Unfortunately, I only have dX and the d20 SRD. Haven't been able to find a copy of BESM, much as I would love to.

Skjaldbakka
2008-02-12, 06:50 AM
If I ever got involved in a BESM game, I would insist on playing a Feegle. I would attempt to shout "Crivens!" as much as possible and speak like a scotsman when possible. Unfortunately, the rules made my head spin, so I would need a very good GM to say "You want to be 6 inches tall, blue, really fast, fairly strong and have a sword that glows blue around lawyers? Okay, here is your character sheet."

You do realize that BESM is system, not a setting, right?
That's like saying "The next time I play d20, I'm playing an alien Jedi! (regardless of whether it turns out to be spycraft, d20 modern, or star wars)

Theli
2008-02-12, 10:10 AM
Good point. Unfortunately, I only have dX and the d20 SRD. Haven't been able to find a copy of BESM, much as I would love to.

Yeah, it seems to be impossible to find. However, the pdf can be acquired here:

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=24482&it=1&filters=0_0_0&manufacturers_id=1


Here's a thread about the game on White Wolf's forums:
http://forums.white-wolf.com/viewtopic.php?t=54740&start=45

kentma57
2008-02-12, 09:54 PM
That's the system though I have not had a chance to use the edition (I liked the old one better) I don't buy thigs off the internet and if I want to get a copy I will buy down to a near by store("Comic book shop", yes that's the name).

If it looks like these games will go some where I will update to the new edition...

Theli
2008-02-13, 09:42 AM
You can't really find this book at stores anymore. :/


If it looks like these games will go some where I will update to the new edition...

Eh, I think this has its own advantages actually. Since White Wolf has no interest in supporting the system, it's one that will never change. And by everything I've heard, it's an absolutely amazing system, especially for homebrew.

Really, I don't think BESM needs a dozen splatbooks. (Although maybe half a dozen wouldn't be so bad...)

Of course, the problem then is popularity. Without a company advertising the system to players, the block of gamers is solely dependent on exposure by word of mouth. But still... if it wasn't for the books being so rare, I'd actually be fine with where BESM is right now.

kentma57
2008-02-13, 12:53 PM
I can find the book the store I go to had 5-6 in stock last month and not many people buy them.

Theli
2008-02-13, 12:57 PM
This book???
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Besm3.jpg

I believe you can easily sell this for over $100 on ebay... Are you sure its this version?

Thats some store if its just selling that at base price...

kentma57
2008-02-13, 01:07 PM
This book???
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/Besm3.jpg

I believe you can easily sell this for over $100 on ebay... Are you sure its this version?

Thats some store if its just selling that at base price...

Yep, thats the book. But as I was saying I was playing with the last edition and decided against it; though I might get it now...

Theli
2008-02-13, 01:13 PM
Gah, absolutely. Whats the address to this store? I might have a make a trip up to canada...

kentma57
2008-02-13, 01:20 PM
Well I am going out there in a weeks or two so I can make sure they still have a copy...

And if you want to contact them...
web page: http://www.thecomicbookshoppe.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=site.dspHome

Comic Book Shoppe
1400 Clyde Avenue
Nepean, Ontario
K2G 3J2

t: (613) 228-8386
toll free: 1-866-260-3961
e: [email protected]

EDIT: the website is bad so don't trust the product search; for example if you search "D&D" you get 5 results and I know for a fact that they have 30-40 books at least...

ps: they also cary order of the stick

Grug
2008-02-13, 04:41 PM
I'm using the 3.5 edition, with a robot, samurai, and mage on the front. Are you guys saying it's inferior?

Theli
2008-02-13, 04:42 PM
That's d20, yeah.

Not so easy to work with. But for people familiar with d20, it makes a decent system.

There's nothing wrong with it... It's just that besm was never designed for it in mind. So they kinda adapted the system to fit.

kentma57
2008-02-13, 05:29 PM
I'm using the 3.5 edition, with a robot, samurai, and mage on the front. Are you guys saying it's inferior?

Actualy that's the one I like (I personaly can't keep half the vertions and editions strait...)

EDIT: bad news I gust tried the store and they sold their last copy like a weeks ago :smallfrown: why didn't I buy it when I had the chance...

Prustan
2008-02-14, 03:44 AM
Theli, a nice idea to post those links. But not especially useful for me, since I don't have a credit card and can't buy stuff online. Might help someone else though. Guess I'll just have to make do with what I have already (dX and d20 SRD).

kentma57
2008-02-14, 07:16 AM
Theli, a nice idea to post those links. But not especially useful for me, since I don't have a credit card and can't buy stuff online. Might help someone else though. Guess I'll just have to make do with what I have already (dX and d20 SRD).

where did you get the srd? I can't find a copy anywhere (other than the one you have to buy online)

Theli
2008-02-14, 07:53 AM
There's a good pdf version here:

http://www.faterpg.com/dl/animed20srd.pdf

Although I'm not sure it covers the 3.5 eratta they had for the revised version..

Grug
2008-02-14, 08:11 AM
When I don't have my book I use this one: http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/animesrd.html It has everything you need, although it is a bit hard to read. It almost 100% copies the text from the book.

Prustan
2008-02-15, 04:35 AM
Much better. Looks more complete, and more readable too.

Grug
2008-02-15, 02:46 PM
Any updates on that Comedy game?