Outsourcing to outsiders

[Idea Man]

I'm looking for a way to use outsiders to increase the rate at which my BBEG produces simulacrums. The BBEG is a conjuration specialist, 20th lvl, so can use any of the planar binding spells, not to mention gate. Which outsider would be most efficient/practical to bring in to cast a 12 hour spell from a scroll?

[CASTLEMIKE]

The easiest way I can think to do it in game is with Genie Wishes since they can cast more than 1 a day normally. It will only take a L11 BBEG.

The Arcane Disciple feat with the Summoning domain for Planar Ally (Efreeti (Probably the best choice for a BBEG) and Noble Djinni both only 10HD) since you are the DM your BBEG should be able to regularly summon those types of outsiders for creating Simulacrums (Via Genie Wishes) since the DM could choose to send another type of outsider instead of a Wish granting genie. Planar Ally has a small experience cost and a service cost to the outsider.

http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Arcane_Disciple,all

[Jack_Simth]

I'm looking for a way to use outsiders to increase the rate at which my BBEG produces simulacrums. The BBEG is a conjuration specialist, 20th lvl, so can use any of the planar binding spells, not to mention gate. Which outsider would be most efficient/practical to bring in to cast a 12 hour spell from a scroll?
None. Seriously.

See, the Simulacrum spell puts the Simulacrum under the control of the caster.

If you have Outsiders doing the casting (the person who invokes a scroll is considered the caster), they're the ones that control the Simulacrums.

Additionally, a scroll of Simulacrum, even at the minimum caster level, costs 7,275 gp market - 5,000 of that is XP and materials cost, but the scroll still takes three days to Scribe with it's 2,275 gp base cost. You're better off simply casting it directly, or Wishing up the effect.

If you must do this (or something like it) don't use Called help - use followers (or minons) from the Leadership feat.

Or, as you're the DM, don't bother - your BBEG has X Simulacrum minions, where X is determined by the needs of the plot. It doesn't matter overly much how he gets them, they're there.

[Idea Man]

I hadn't even thought of wish-cheese! :smallsigh:

I was looking, orginally, for outsiders with enough UMD or arcane casting ability to use scrolls of simulacrum. Lowest HD I saw was a nalfeshnee (14). The genies would certainly be more practical, though.


*POOF* "You have summoned me, master. What is thy bidding?"

"I get three wishes, yes?"

"Yes, master."

"I'd like three simulacrums."

"......excuse me??"

"I'm in a rush."

Hmm, that could work... :smallamused:

[Idea Man]

@Jack Smith: Good point. The wizard has to do it himself, or have a bunch of non-obedient simulacrums.

I'd use other help, but the premise is that this is a sealed-up lich, with one apprentice (specialty summoner) and one nominal ally (priest of death), and a recently deceased hero to work with. I'm just seeing how fast I can reproduce a fallen party friend en masse for a surprise scene. :smallbiggrin:

Hmm, would simulacrums made by outsiders still fight for you if you wrote that into the bargain of service?

[Jack_Simth]

@Jack Smith: Good point. The wizard has to do it himself, or have a bunch of non-obedient simulacrums.

I'd use other help, but the premise is that this is a sealed-up lich, with one apprentice (specialty summoner) and one nominal ally (priest of death), and a recently deceased hero to work with. I'm just seeing how fast I can reproduce a fallen party friend en masse for a surprise scene. :smallbiggrin:

You've got three casters. If you give the cleric the Magic domain (and assume he rolls well on his rolls), assume the apprentice rolls well on his rolls, and hand-wave in a zillion scrolls, you can get (theoretically) six per day. However, you STILL have a problem: See, you need to put in all the material components when you make the scroll - and, for Simulacrum, that include a piece of the critter. So any scroll won't be of the recently deceased, unless it was made with a piece of the recently deceased.

Wish cheese is really about the only way to flood it... and Wish expends 5,000 xp each time. Miracle can duplicate it, but you still need the XP and ruby dust.


Hmm, would simulacrums made by outsiders still fight for you if you wrote that into the bargain of service?
Potentially, yes.

However, as you're the DM, it doesn't matter. You have as many simulacrums as the CR requires.

Edit:
Oh, and if it's a lich, Calling Efreeti and Noble Dijinni won't work - they can grant wishes "to a mortal" - a Lich isn't properly a mortal anymore.

[holywhippet]

What about a magical item that casts simulacrum on the user? If the target has at least one level in a class that has simulacrum on the spell list you could make it a wand.

[CASTLEMIKE]

I rarely disagree with Jack but regarding the Genie Wishes:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/genie.htm#efreeti

1/day—grant up to three wishes (to nongenies only),

[Jack_Simth]

I rarely disagree with Jack but regarding the Genie Wishes:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/genie.htm#efreeti

1/day—grant up to three wishes (to nongenies only),
Hm, looks like you're correct. Nevermind on that aspect, then.