Alucard Hellsing vs. Roland Deschain

[Eerie]

http://www.wikifotos.es/static2/2007/05/31/1068738.jpg VS. http://thecomicbookshop.co.uk/shop/images/darktowergunslingerborn1.jpg

One is immortal super strong vampire...

The other is... erm, where to even start? Well, he killed the antichrist, among other things... :smallamused:

Actually, forget about outcome. This encounter is just too awesome to consider... :smallbiggrin:

[SurlySeraph]

Wow. This is one of the best ideas for a Vs. thread in a long, long time.

I'm going to tentatively go with Alucard. Roland's guns are specialized in destroying evil creatures (and Alucard is definitely evil). However, Alucard's regeneration abilities are tremendously powerful. Alucard has been shot to pieces until there's nothing left except a bloodstain on the floor, and then he's fully regenerated from that bloodstain within seconds. Unless Roland's bullets can almost completely negate Alucard's regeneration, Alucard isn't going to die. While Roland is a tremendously good fighter, he can't withstand much damage. A few shots from the Jackal would kill him; if he managed to dodge most of Alucard's shots, Alucard could still run up and just tear Roland's head off.

[Illiterate Scribe]

I have a third contender, who I think would be better, and more awesome.

Alucard Hellsing vs. Roland St. Jude.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/RolandGitP/RolandAtars/Roland_sheriff.gif

Vampire versus super mod. Go.

[Lizardfolk Lich]

Good god, with bloodstain regeneration there really is no question. But, what about without that much regeneration?

[Finn Solomon]

Roland uses normal bullets, it's his guns that are somewhat magical. His speed of draw and rate of fire are what's more important though. He could shoot the guns out of Hellsing's hands, though if this vampire has Wolverine-level regeneration it pretty much isn't a fair fight.

[Obrysii]

Alucard's regenerative abilities are active in his weakest states of 'release' ... his higher levels basically transform himself into an amorphous blob of dog heads and eyes ....

And at the highest state of release, he can summon up an army.

[BlackStaticWolf]

Roland uses normal bullets, it's his guns that are somewhat magical. His speed of draw and rate of fire are what's more important though. He could shoot the guns out of Hellsing's hands, though if this vampire has Wolverine-level regeneration it pretty much isn't a fair fight.

Honestly... I'd characterize Alucard has having regenerative abilities that are SUPERIOR to Wolverine. The guy has been reduced to nothing more than tiny blobs of flesh numerous times... and he just gets back up again.

Similarly... even if Alucard WERE to lose his guns... it wouldn't really matter. He's demonstrated the ability to chop through people wearing flak jackets with his bare hands... at his lowest level of release.


Alucard is overpowered.

[LazyJoe]

As much as I love Roland and his sandalwoods, Alucard's l33tness makes it too much of an unfair fight.

[averagejoe]

Okay, so what if the fight isn't to the death, but to first blood. Then who wins?

[thubby]

alucard is virtually unkillable. he is an incredibly powerful fighter, he just doesn't use it. he's content to be shot and thats the only reason he is.
he took on a a deity. he, and perhaps only he, would be a reasonable opponent for sauron.

joe: were he inclined, he would simply turn into the bloodless shadowform of his and eat roland.

[BlackStaticWolf]

Okay, so what if the fight isn't to the death, but to first blood. Then who wins?

Everyone wins first blood against Alucard. :smallwink:

He lets people attack first to amuse himself.

[Eerie]

Hmm? Is Alucard overpowered to the point of invulnerability? Roland being a holy knight won`t count for something?

[Tengu]

While Roland is one of the biggest Badass Normals in all universes ever, he's still normal. The only way he could win with Alucard is if he someone could get something that could counter the vampire's regeneration, and if Alucard played with him instead of seriously trying to kill him until it was too late. But that's a very unlike scenario.


Hmm? Is Alucard overpowered to the point of invulnerability? Roland being a holy knight won`t count for something?

Yes, Alucard is so overpowered that he'd actually be more badass if he was weaker, because it's hard to be cool when nothing really poses a threat to you.

[BlackStaticWolf]

Hmm? Is Alucard overpowered to the point of invulnerability? Roland being a holy knight won`t count for something?

Absolutely nothing. Alucard regularly toys with a paladin (who is like... the definition of awesome) named Alexander Anderson. Said paladin also regerates (Alucard has shot him in the head before... Anderson was ok).

[Dorizzit]

Alucard let's people shoot him into chunks of flesh and blood when he's bored. At his final release state, he has vast control of his body, he can summon an army made out of anyone or anything he's ever killed. He has effectively limitless strength, no known weaknesses (outside of staking him...good luck with that...), his pistols are essentially heavy weapons, and he has slaughtered hundreds of vampires without any kind of release.

Here are two examples of what he can do (neither are at full power):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLdBmPAJ6sQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKwch-Z_oyE

[Seraph]

Absolutely nothing. Alucard regularly toys with a paladin (who is like... the definition of awesome) named Alexander Anderson. Said paladin also regerates (Alucard has shot him in the head before... Anderson was ok).


just for perspective, consider that the gun used to shoot said paladin could qualify as an anti-tank weapon.

[EvilElitest]

Who is Roland?
from
EE

[Narmoth]

Didn't Roland fight vampires in the last book? Or were they demons? Anyway, he killed them, so I think Alucard is vulnerable to his bullets

[averagejoe]

Who is Roland?
from
EE

Someone Robert Browning (http://www.web-books.com/Classics/Poetry/Anthology/Browning_R/Childe.htm) made up.

Also the hero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Deschain) from Stephen King's The Dark Tower septilogy. (Is septilogy even a word?)

@ Narmoth: Stephen King vampires are different from anime vampires. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurVampiresAreDifferent) There's no reason to believe that Roland could kill Alucard, even if he had killed vampires in the books, which I don't remember him ever doing. Callahan once held back a buncha vampires with his being holy, but he was a priest, so he gets to do that sort of thing.

[BlackStaticWolf]

Didn't Roland fight vampires in the last book? Or were they demons? Anyway, he killed them, so I think Alucard is vulnerable to his bullets

Alucard has been thoroughly perforated and decapitated by blessed silver swords. It didn't really bother him.



@ Narmoth: Stephen King vampires are different from anime vampires.

It also bears mentioning that Alucard is to anime vampires what anime vampires are to vampires of other mediums. That is to say... he's completely and utterly overpowered.

[cates]

This question is akin to asking "who would win, Goku vs. Link." You can gauge the battle characters based on their absolute strength and obviously it would probably be Goku (as he could destroy an entire planet) but you have to factor in their relative strength/power. Within Link's universe (the only place he really exists) he is infinitely noble and essentially undefeatable.

That all being said, Alucard would make short work of Mr. Deschain.

[Llama231]

This question is akin to asking "who would win, Goku vs. Link." You can gauge the battle characters based on their absolute strength and obviously it would probably be Goku (as he could destroy an entire planet) but you have to factor in their relative strength/power. Within Link's universe (the only place he really exists) he is infinitely noble and essentially undefeatable.

That all being said, Alucard would make short work of Mr. Deschain.

On the topic of this,. Link does actually pose quite a threeat if he had all equipment, he has enough cheese to possibly take him down such as the Fierce Deity Mask, etc.

[FoE]

Isn't Alucard's human form like 1/1000th of his power? Can't he conjure up an army of slain foes at any given moment or transform into giant monsters at will?

On the other hand, Alucard wants to be defeated by a human opponent, so that has to be considered.

[Bouregard]

My bets would go on Alucard. In Hellsing there was never something that got even close to killing him. Vampires, ghouls, humans, paladins and whatever. Holy or Unholy didn't matter here. Its Alucard.


He was filled with bullets. Impaled with dozens of (in every possible form) blessed knives. Shredded, malmed but never killed. usually he laughs and reforms himself. Oh and no matter what his enemy is his "pistols" pack a good punch to take out anything not outright truly immortal.

[Dragonus45]

If anything Roland is exactly the king of opponent that Alucard talks about wanting to be defeated by. Also the only kind of oponent he says can beat him. He is a man, not a dog or a monster. If anyone can come up with a more monsomely manly man than him i would like to see him. Plus at his final release depending on the number of familiars hes summoned he losses some of his regeneration. HE only has as many lives as he has them. I think what some people miss is that Tublacaine Alhambra had cards that could negate his regeneration. It didn't to him much good but things like that are possible.

@Bouregard Anderson had him dead to rights after he took the nail. He was cleaning house right up until Seras saved his ass.

[Oslecamo]

If anything Roland is exactly the king of opponent that Alucard talks about wanting to be defeated by.

However, Rolan would have to prove his worthyness before. Altough Alucard wants to be defeated, he wants an epic tale of his end, so Roland better be ready to waste some millions of bullets, get several limbs cut off and never look back. Even the other psycho priest had to sweat a lot to get Alucard's respect, and he had super regeneration.



HE only has as many lives as he has them. I think what some people miss is that Tublacaine Alhambra had cards that could negate his regeneration. It didn't to him much good but things like that are possible.


However, Alucard can absorb new souls quite quickly. If he feels like he's in trouble, retreat and recoup is perfectly whitin his grasp.

EDIT: Wohoo ascended to official Gitp troll status!

[Seraph]

It took the Major cheating by way of theoretical mathematics to kill Alucard.

you cannot beat him in a straight fight. ever.

[Narmoth]

Now, Roland has encountered vampires. Not Alucard power lvl, but...

Well, if Roland wins, it's by skill. If Alucard wins, it's by martin stue powers.
And Roland can win while getting killed himself. Alucard obviously can't due to difference in life goals

[chiasaur11]

It took the Major cheating by way of theoretical mathematics to kill Alucard.

you cannot beat him in a straight fight. ever.

Two words.

Squirrel.

Girl.

We also would accept:

Herbie.

Popnecker.

[Arang]

I think Roland is being underestimated in this thread. In his entire life, which spans literally a thousand years, he never loses a fight. Never. Although he beats around the bush about planning and advantages and killing fields on those occasions where he's outnumbered fifty to one and the like, everything that he ever does get to actually point his gun at is dead. The anti-Christ, the Devil's son, killer robots, a giant bear, it just doesn't matter, either because of the man or the gun. The guns, also, are two of exceedingly few magical items powerful enough to open the doors to the Dark Tower.

Roland draws faster than the eye can see, never misses that I can recall and is "reasonably sure" that he can shoot twelve plum-sized targets out of the air while they're moving at outrageous speed, that being the number of rounds his guns can hold. His greatest power comes from the fact that he's the person the entire plot revolves around. No matter how much hardship and sacrifice it takes to get there, he always gets where he needs to be. The man is steeped in destiny.

Summary: if he has to, Roland draws, shoots, kills Alucard. If the plot doesn't require it, he draws, shoots twelve times, and is then torn apart.

Also, Alucard seems like an incredibly boring character.

[Callos_DeTerran]

It took the Major cheating by way of theoretical mathematics to kill Alucard.

you cannot beat him in a straight fight. ever.

Even that was only temporary.

And you can. It just takes a considerable amount of doing. Or what Alucard considers a 'man'. Would Roland ignore anything that happens to him? Would he stop for any reason once Alucard was in his sights? Does he reject turning himself into something non-human just to survive/gain-more-power? From the sounds of it, all of the above are likely to be answered 'yes'.

That means this Roland does have a chance, even if it's a minuscule one like Anderson did before impaling himself with the nail. And it'll take considerable doing. Roland will either have to...

A) Murder Alucard through all the lives of his familiars. This could take an immensely long amount of time (look how long it took Alucard himself!) and also means Roland will be attacked by a super-vampire the entire time. If he doesn't have the ammunition, stamina, or skill to do this, then it is highly inadvisable.

B) Get Integra, or whoever the current Hellsing is, to release Alucard's final release. Sure there are likely millions or billions of opponents on the field at this point, but now at least he has a shot at Alucard himself. At this point, mettle will surely be tested, but the holy handguns should come in handy if they can prevent Alucard's horrifying regeneration or keep him from siphoning the blood from the dead people around. (And yes, if the 0-limit is removed, there will be corpses of innocent bystanders around)

C) Become a monster himself. Anderson went this route, and was doing fairly well until Alucard realized he had a 'Weakpoint for Massive Damage' and blew out his heart. Though, according to Alucard, a monster isn't able to kill him and just a man. He might just be being poetic though.

D) Cheat. Remove him from the battlefield for so long it can be considered nothing but a victory for Roland (likely because Roland has died of old age, if he is capable of such). It's the Millennium route, but you know what? The only reason it didn't work is because they didn't know what Alucard could do while gone or how determined he'd be to come back.

All three of these are valid, but have varying levels of difficulty. Course, Roland could play to the few applicable Hellsing vampire weaknesses (moving water, sunlight, silver) to level the playing field but the only one that Alucard has shown any real effort to avoid is moving water which he has a couple ways to avoid.

As for Alucard retreating to store up more souls...are we talking about the same Super-Vamp here? Alucard is as likely to run away from a fight as Anderson is to give up being a priest and the Major to become a pacifist.

[ZeroNumerous]

On the other hand, Alucard wants to be defeated by a human opponent, so that has to be considered.

What he wants his far from what he can ever get. It's not his fault he cannot be killed permanently. Besides that, all it takes is Roland threatening either Seras or Sir Hellsing to make Alucard stop wanting to lose.



Two words.

Squirrel.

Girl.

We also would accept:

Herbie.

Popnecker.

Alucard defeated theoretical mathematics. He'll defeat basically every other Gary Stu/Mary Sue out there too.


Summary: if he has to, Roland draws, shoots, kills Alucard. If the plot doesn't require it, he draws, shoots twelve times, and is then torn apart.

Also, Alucard seems like an incredibly boring character.

Obviously the plot would have to be ignored, or Alucard would also be invincible because he's the main character of Hellsing. In a straight comparison of power and skill, Alucard wins plain and simple.

Also: The immortality makes him an interesting character because we get to compare him to non-immortals like Seras, Walter or Sir Hellsing and their personalities are vastly different.

[Mewtarthio]

Ah, but we forget the greatest advantage Roland has:
His entire life from the moment he pursues Walter into the desert is a stable time loop. He will enter the Dark Tower, because he already has. Thus, if Roland and Alucard get into a fight, then Roland will win, because Roland has already won this fight countless times before, or else he never would have reached the Dark Tower in the first place. :smalltongue:

[thorgrim29]

Alucard would be boring if he didn't have so much style. Also, it's not Alucard Hellsing (that would be silly), he's dracula, also known as Vlad the impaler, dragon knight of wallachia or something like that. He's literally killed armies (as in all at once)... The only chance Roland would have would be if Alucard want's to loose, or as he puts it, to sleep a while.

[Dragonus45]

Hes not, he has personality in spades to make up for the lack of conflict.

[chiasaur11]

What he wants his far from what he can ever get. It's not his fault he cannot be killed permanently. Besides that, all it takes is Roland threatening either Seras or Sir Hellsing to make Alucard stop wanting to lose.




Alucard defeated theoretical mathematics. He'll defeat basically every other Gary Stu/Mary Sue out there too.



Obviously the plot would have to be ignored, or Alucard would also be invincible because he's the main character of Hellsing. In a straight comparison of power and skill, Alucard wins plain and simple.

Also: The immortality makes him an interesting character because we get to compare him to non-immortals like Seras, Walter or Sir Hellsing and their personalities are vastly different.

You don't get just how hardcore Squirrel Girl is, do you?

You fight her, you lose. It is humiliating. Always. And Herbie?

He's basically omnipotent. Time travel, invulnerability, romancing all the dames...

And when he bops you with this here lollypop, you stay bopped. He's also Alan Moore's favorite superhero, so any writer looking to make him loose has Moore to deal with. And if you're willing to take on Alan Moore...

You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.

[Juhn]

Although Alucard wants to be defeated, he wants an epic end to his tale


No matter how much hardship and sacrifice it takes to get there, he always gets where he needs to be. The man is steeped in destiny.

Putting these two together, it is possible that Roland could do it. With that much straight-up Destiny, Alucard might just declare him worthy enough and lose.

[Roland St. Jude]

This question is akin to asking "who would win, Goku vs. Link." You can gauge the battle characters based on their absolute strength and obviously it would probably be Goku (as he could destroy an entire planet) but you have to factor in their relative strength/power. Within Link's universe (the only place he really exists) he is infinitely noble and essentially undefeatable.

That all being said, Alucard would make short work of Mr. Deschain.

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