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Talic
2008-02-27, 05:35 PM
Here's a thought. Let's say we get 40 feet of reach with a PsyWar. Spiked chain, double size Expansion, and Inhuman Reach. With Stand still, we've got good combat control. Also, we can take Robilar's gambit and let one person close to us.

But here's an alternate thought. What if we took Adaptive Flanker also? Designate a target, and, as long as that target is adjacent to you, you can choose to be considered occupying any square you threaten for purposes of flanking.

Now, the stand still can hold people in place, the Robilar's gambit lets you chew through the one guy who IS close to you, and until you do, more or less, any opponent within 40 feet of you is auto-flanked. You'd be a rogue's best friend.

Build thoughts? Enhancement ideas?

Ninja Chocobo
2008-02-27, 05:48 PM
Now, the stand still can hold people in place, the Robilar's gambit lets you chew through the one guy who IS close to you, and until you do, more or less, any opponent within 40 feet of you is auto-flanked. You'd be a rogue's best friend.

Build thoughts? Enhancement ideas?

No you would not be. Rogues have to be flanking someone to work. They can't just Sneak Attack some random guy who just happens to be flanked.

martyboy74
2008-02-27, 05:53 PM
It depends on the wording of the feat, but it is possible that you could get that to work with a rogue.

Captain van der Decken
2008-02-27, 05:56 PM
No you would not be. Rogues have to be flanking someone to work. They can't just Sneak Attack some random guy who just happens to be flanked.

So your point is that it doesn't apply to ranged rogues?

ShadowSiege
2008-02-27, 06:14 PM
The wording of Adaptable Flanker implies that its effect is only for the selected opponent. So while you could enable a rogue to flank from any adjacent square to, let's say a colossal dragon, it wouldn't affect any other enemy.

Frosty
2008-02-27, 06:17 PM
nevermind....

Talic
2008-02-27, 06:27 PM
The wording of Adaptable Flanker implies that its effect is only for the selected opponent. So while you could enable a rogue to flank from any adjacent square to, let's say a colossal dragon, it wouldn't affect any other enemy.



Benefit: As a swift action, you designate a single opponent as the target of this feat. When you are adjacent to the chosen target, you can choose to count as occupying any other square you threaten for purposes of determining flanking bonuses for you and your allies. You also occupy your current square for flanking your opponent.


It does not say flanking bonuses against the chosen opponent (as the wording for the dodge feat does). It doesn't say anything about what flanking bonuses you occupy. By the strict interpretation, you can be in your square for flanking, and aid the rogue across the minion adjacent to you flank, and count another square 25 feet away as being occupied by you for purposes of flanking. Note, it does not say, "for purposes of flanking... the selected opponent."

Which would mean, that, in addition to performing Combat control, you'd always get your +4 flanking bonus to attack one enemy, and one ally will always get his +2 flanking bonus.

Ascension
2008-02-27, 06:37 PM
If you want to help the rogue... or even if you are the rogue... you should go swordsage and pick up the Shadow Hand Island of Blades stance. As long as you're in that stance you and anyone else who is adjacent to an enemy you're adjacent to is considered to be flanking, regardless of positioning.

Drider
2008-02-28, 12:19 AM
pack attack so the rogue counts as flanking it and shoots from safety or sneaks in for a knife to the kidney?

ShneekeyTheLost
2008-02-28, 12:27 AM
Island of Blades stance would be the best way to ensure Omniflanking.

The feat Clarion Call (White Raven) has an option to make a DC 20 Intimidate check to simply declare an opponent flanked for a full minute. Irreguardless of normal flanking immunities. Congratulations, by RAW, you could pull this off on a Barbarian and he could still be Sneak Attacked because while the rogue in question may not have enough levels, he is still flat declared flanked. Furthermore, since the opponent is declared to be Flanked, you could apply SA damage with ranged weapons, since it never says the person in quesiton has to be in a flanking position.

Titanium Dragon
2008-02-28, 12:44 AM
Island of Blades stance would be the best way to ensure Omniflanking.

The feat Clarion Call (White Raven) has an option to make a DC 20 Intimidate check to simply declare an opponent flanked for a full minute. Irreguardless of normal flanking immunities. Congratulations, by RAW, you could pull this off on a Barbarian and he could still be Sneak Attacked because while the rogue in question may not have enough levels, he is still flat declared flanked. Furthermore, since the opponent is declared to be Flanked, you could apply SA damage with ranged weapons, since it never says the person in quesiton has to be in a flanking position.

I don't think you're reading RAW correctly. Uncanny Dodge says you cannot be flanked, period. It doesn't say "you cannot be flanked due to positioning, but can be flanked by other means", it just says you can't be flanked at all.