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Kazuel
2008-02-29, 06:01 PM
With this niffty little item, you cast a spell into it and when ever that spell is cast on you, it's automaticly countered. What spell would you keep in it. (AOE spells that don't target you don't count)

Shhalahr Windrider
2008-02-29, 06:41 PM
I've always found dispel magic and greater dispel magic to be rather popular choices for those who make habits of stocking up on many obvious buffs.

Rachel Lorelei
2008-02-29, 06:44 PM
I've always found dispel magic and greater dispel magic to be rather popular choices for those who make habits of stocking up on many obvious buffs.

I do Greater Dispel at higher levels. And keep an extra one prepared in case mine gets used up so I can fill it up again, generally.

Shhalahr Windrider
2008-02-29, 07:35 PM
I do Greater Dispel at higher levels.
Of course if you have an enemy that's wise to this, he or she can always take a chance with regulardispel magic, which is a different spell and, therefore, not blocked by the ring. :smalltongue:

Though of course, you're still winning out in that the enemy is less likely to succeed on the relevant dispel checks.

Chronos
2008-02-29, 08:18 PM
Though of course, you're still winning out in that the enemy is less likely to succeed on the relevant dispel checks.At the highest levels, it isn't an issue at all. Regular Dispel Magic caps out at a +10 on the check, which means that it has no chance at all to dispel a spell with CL 20 or higher. And it's not at all unheard of for a spellcaster to hit a CL of 20 at a character level of 15 (at least, for a few minutes per day, long enough to cast long-term or persisted buffs).

Chosen_of_Vecna
2008-02-29, 09:34 PM
At the highest levels, it isn't an issue at all. Regular Dispel Magic caps out at a +10 on the check, which means that it has no chance at all to dispel a spell with CL 20 or higher. And it's not at all unheard of for a spellcaster to hit a CL of 20 at a character level of 15 (at least, for a few minutes per day, long enough to cast long-term or persisted buffs).

Combine that with a Ring of Enduring Arcana and you can become immune to Dispel Magic as early as caster level 10. So about the time you start persist buffing multiple spells, you are already only looking at Greater Dispel, and even that has a poor chance to succeed unless done by a dedicated dispel character.

namo
2008-03-01, 04:35 AM
When you add more splatbooks using the ring against Dispels loses some interest - there are too many possibilities. Arcane Turmoil (CM), Spelltheft (CS), Chain Dispel (PHB2)... A dedicated dispeller will always strip you of your buffs. :smallamused:

Shhalahr Windrider
2008-03-01, 10:04 AM
At the highest levels, it isn't an issue at all. Regular Dispel Magic caps out at a +10 on the check, which means that it has no chance at all to dispel a spell with CL 20 or higher.
True enough. Just more a point of worry for those that haven't quite reached CL 20 quite yet.

Chosen_of_Vecna
2008-03-01, 10:46 AM
When you add more splatbooks using the ring against Dispels loses some interest - there are too many possibilities. Arcane Turmoil (CM), Spelltheft (CS), Chain Dispel (PHB2)... A dedicated dispeller will always strip you of your buffs. :smallamused:

Like I said, A dedicated dispeller will have a chance, no one else will. Also, I never use the Ring of Counterspells, Ring slots are more important then money, try the Ring of Spellbattle, the one stop counter to everything from Arcane Turmoil to Disjunction. Or use on a Blasphemy if you want. Whatever.

Chosen_of_Vecna
2008-03-01, 10:47 AM
True enough. Just more a point of worry for those that haven't quite reached CL 20 quite yet.

Did you miss the part where CL 20 against dispels is achievable at level 10?

Curmudgeon
2008-03-01, 10:52 AM
At the highest levels, it isn't an issue at all. Regular Dispel Magic caps out at a +10 on the check, which means that it has no chance at all to dispel a spell with CL 20 or higher. You're overlooking some other factors that may come into play here. It's true that the caster level caps out at +10, but the total dispel check may be greater than the formula. A Cleric with the Inquisition domain gets a +4 to all dispel checks as their granted power. The spell Spellcaster's Bane gives a +2 insight bonus to dispel checks. A Dispelling Cord (from Magic Item Compendium) gives a +2 bonus to dispel checks. Your assumption about which caster level Dispel Magic "has no chance at all to dispel" could be off by 8 -- maybe more, if there are some other dispel check boosters that I've overlooked. And various luck feats could help you with the d20 roll, so that "no chance at all" could look like a certainty.

Sornjss Lichdom
2008-03-01, 11:26 AM
where can you find Ring of Enduring Arcana?

Shhalahr Windrider
2008-03-01, 11:44 AM
Did you miss the part where CL 20 against dispels is achievable at level 10?
Well, in that case, bully for those who manage it. I don't think every group out there is pulling this off with every one of their spells at level 10.

As it is, it takes more than the ring, as at level 10, it just gives you an effective caster level of 14. Still got to dig those remaining six (or more, see Curmudgeon's post above) levels from other sources. Even then, that is assuming the caster in question is using the ring.


where can you find Ring of Enduring Arcana?
Complete Mage. Effective Caster Level is increased by 4 for the purpose of resisting counterspells and dispelling.

Chronos
2008-03-01, 02:39 PM
You're overlooking some other factors that may come into play here. It's true that the caster level caps out at +10, but the total dispel check may be greater than the formula.Ah, OK. I was just going by core, where you can get +4 CL from a Bead of Karma and another +1 from an Ioun Stone. I didn't realize there were non-core ways of increasing the dispel check other than by increasing CL. Of course, once you branch out, there are also other ways of increasing CL, and you don't need to be completely immune to dispels for the tactic to be worthwhile.

Chosen_of_Vecna
2008-03-01, 03:51 PM
You're overlooking some other factors that may come into play here. It's true that the caster level caps out at +10, but the total dispel check may be greater than the formula. A Cleric with the Inquisition domain gets a +4 to all dispel checks as their granted power. The spell Spellcaster's Bane gives a +2 insight bonus to dispel checks. A Dispelling Cord (from Magic Item Compendium) gives a +2 bonus to dispel checks. Your assumption about which caster level Dispel Magic "has no chance at all to dispel" could be off by 8 -- maybe more, if there are some other dispel check boosters that I've overlooked. And various luck feats could help you with the d20 roll, so that "no chance at all" could look like a certainty.

Which is why I said, "Except against dedicated dispel casters." Because of course you can push that as well, however, being immune to 95% of all casters attempts to dispel you is still worth it if you specialize in Persisted buffs (like the example that was being referred too.)


As it is, it takes more than the ring, as at level 10, it just gives you an effective caster level of 14. Still got to dig those remaining six (or more, see Curmudgeon's post above) levels from other sources. Even then, that is assuming the caster in question is using the ring.

This is only something practically worthwhile for DMM persist tactics. This is in addition to the other methods of upping caster level for your buffs, IE a Ioun Stone and Prayer Beads. This isn't for every character, but if you run around with Persisted buffs (as the example I was replying to does) it becomes a very useful feature to be immune to the vast majority of dispels.

Cost of Bead of Karma- Free/2,000gp (Weird error here)
Cost of Ring of Enduring Arcana- 4000gp
Cost of Ioun Stone- 30,000 gp
Cost of Night Sticks- 7,500gp per stick
Look on the Wizards face when he casts Dispel Magic and you still have all your buffs-Priceless.

FinalJustice
2008-03-01, 04:26 PM
Ring of Greater Counterspells is way better. The same ring of Counterspells, except you can, once a day, try to counter a spell as an immediate action using your CL. A lifesaver.

Curmudgeon
2008-03-01, 05:43 PM
Cost of Bead of Karma- Free/2,000gp (Weird error here) And another, not so weird error (just a typo) here. From d20 SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#strandofPrayerBeads):
bead of karma -20,000 gp

TempusCCK
2008-03-02, 01:07 AM
Master Specialist (Abjuration) allows you to add 1/2 your Master Specialist level as a bonus on Dispel checks as well, which is a nice boost if you follow the class the whole way through. Full Spellcasting, nifty bonuses, why the hell would you not?