[Spoiler] Bring out your dead ...

[Truespeak]

Okay, so, Monty Python references aside, does anyone else see -this- happening?

The 'dead' Haley and Belkar piled on the cart with Roy, wandering outside of the Cloister. Seems like a very nice time for Vaarsuvius' Enhanced Scrying to go off successfully ... Hilarity ensues due to misinformation.

[Gamerlord]

you my good sir are correct BUT lets not forget....a dead bodys a object that can't be scryed upon hopefully elan durkon and mr elf can remember that

[Shadowcaller]

Doesn't V have to be epic-leved to break the cloister effect?

[Qov]

Doesn't V have to be epic-level to break the cloister effect?

Perhaps she could gain access to an item or a technique that could briefly simulate an epic-level spell.

[ssjKammak]

V has been trying to break the spell with more complex magic, there is always the possibility V finds a loophole to the spell.

[Flickerdart]

There IS a loophole in the spell.

We know that things can be summoned inside its effects.

So V could take advantage of that somehow.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

V has been trying to break the spell with more complex magic, there is always the possibility V finds a loophole to the spell.

There IS a loophole in the spell (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html). The question is can Vaarsuvius exploit it?

The error message (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0504.html) implies s/he can, but only if s/he took levels in spell hacking.

[Tyrmatt]

The loophole was mentioned when Celia was describing Cloister. It affects every LIVING thing...I wonder what'll happen if V scrys on Roy's corpse with his new beefed up scrying spell...
Or Durkon could just Speak with Dead now. Since he knows Roy well he can bypass the restrictions of personal items/body and get the info out to the party.

[T-O-E]

I can see that happening, with Elan freaking out afterwards.

Also, I believe the OP was talking about V successfully scrying on Haley after cloister fades. Although the loophole is plausible.

[FujinAkari]

I can see that happening, with Elan freaking out afterwards.

Also, I believe the OP was talking about V successfully scrying on Haley after cloister fades. Although the loophole is plausible.

Cloister will not fade for another 4 weeks though, by which time they won't be pretending to be dead.

[Zeitgeist]

Or for some reason he could scry on Celia, but I have no clue why he would think to do that.

[Phase]

On the Monty Python tangent, I can definatly see Cela saying "bring ou'cher dead *clang*"

[Charles Phipps]

Well, it's EXP fodder (Celia) carting around PCs past EXP Fodder (Hobgoblins).

Really, Celia is like some of those guys at my table who hate Hack'N'Slash.

Thankfully, all of the women at my table were die hard mass murderers.

Death to the Humanoids!

[Firestar27]

Cloister will not fade for another 4 weeks though, by which time they won't be pretending to be dead.

Wrong. Cloister will not fade until a maximum of 5 weeks. Five weeks because it's an epic spell. (Or more weeks, if Xykon is higher than 21st level). A maximum because Cloister might have been last recast 5 weeks ago. Actually, they likely have 1 week. 3.5 months = 14 weeks. That equals 3 castings, with the 3rd casting almost over.

[Lira]

Wrong. Cloister will not fade until a maximum of 5 weeks. Five weeks because it's an epic spell. (Or more weeks, if Xykon is higher than 21st level). A maximum because Cloister might have been last recast 5 weeks ago. Actually, they likely have 1 week. 3.5 months = 14 weeks. That equals 3 castings, with the 3rd casting almost over.I don't understand; I think you misread the comic.

Cloister does not last five weeks from being cast, and Xykon probably only cast it once. Read 532 again (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html), it says that the spell lasts one week per caster level, and Xykon is at least 21st level. 16 weeks have passed which means five are left until the spell wears off, not one.

[Firestar27]

I don't understand; I think you misread the comic.

Cloister does not last five weeks from being cast, and Xykon probably only cast it once. Read 532 again (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html), it says that the spell lasts one week per caster level, and Xykon is at least 21st level. 16 weeks have passed which means five are left until the spell wears off, not one.

Hmm... It appears I was wrong. I concede to your superior logic.

But mark my words, I will get my revenge...

NINJA!!!

[Syraider]

this is cool xD

[koldstare]

...a dead bodys a object that can't be scryed upon hopefully elan durkon and mr elf can remember that

You can attempt to scry on an item, namely the Greenhilt Sword. In which case there would be no reason not to believe that they weren't dead.

Scrying on dead bodies aside, this problem seems similar to a problem in The Rite by Richard Lee Byers part of the Year of the Rogue Dragons Trilogy. They were finally able to break through an area protected against scrying by teleporting to the location of an object within the warded area. It was a lot more complicated though. (Recommend the books to anyone who like D&D by the way.

[Studoku]

There IS a loophole in the spell.

We know that things can be summoned inside its effects.

So V could take advantage of that somehow.

It's very unlikely. Firstly, V can't use conjuration spells because she specialised in evocation. Secondly, it would only get V, Durkon and Elan into AC but wouldn't help actually find Haley and Belkar.

[Grod_The_Giant]

why are you all debating the cloister spell? The OP specifically said outside the area of the spell.

[Lira]

why are you all debating the cloister spell? The OP specifically said outside the area of the spell....
So?
Perhaps you haven't been reading the comic carefully, but in 532 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0532.html) Celia says, "Cloister doesn't just target an area of land - it also targets each and every living creature within that area at the time of casting, preventing them from being scryed or contacted". And then they talk about how long it takes for the spell to wear off of them.
So... it doesn't matter if they're outside the area where Xykon cast Cloister because for the next five weeks or so that spell will still be stopping V or anyone else from scrying them.
That's why we're debating about the Cloister spell.

[koldstare]

Thats why i mentioned scrying on the Greenhilt sword. The cloister spell works on people but had no mention of objects... My motto is: When all else fails start casting wish (or miracle no XP cost for Miracle)