Evil-oriented classes

[MammonAzrael]

I'm looking for suggestions on evil themed or oriented classes or PrCs, preferably melee or meatshield types (the game I'm wanting in already has plenty of squishies). Oh, ECL 8 (and yes, LA species and templates are allowed).

[Crow]

I'm looking for suggestions on evil themed or oriented classes or PrCs, preferably melee or meatshield types (the game I'm wanting in already has plenty of squishies). Oh, ECL 8 (and yes, LA species and templates are allowed).

Oldie but Goodie; Tiefling Blackguard

edit: He prolly won't qualify by ECL 8 though. Assassin is always good though =)

[Dode]

Blackguard
Evil-aligned Incarnate
Necrocarnate
Any class in the BoVD (Thrall of ____s, Disciple of ____s, Warrior of Darkness, Soul Eater, Mortalslayer, Lifedrinker, etc)
Ghost-Faced Killer
Eye of Grummsh
Ravager
Any of the Undead prestige classes in Libris Mortis

[Zincorium]

Books allowed would be really nice to know, 'til then I'm going to assume anything commonly available.


Most of the thrall classes from the book of vile darkness are excellent for melee, with disciple of Dispater getting my personal vote. Iron body as a spell like ability? +6 bonus to damage several times a day? sold.

[playswithfire]

Thri-Kreen 3/Pounce Barbarian 1/Fighter 2/Soul Eater 2

[MammonAzrael]

Books allowed are pretty much anything, just avoid cheesing out (which is different than optimizing).

And Thri-Kreen are an ECL 4 race (+2 LA and 2 racial HD)

And thanks for the suggestions guys, I'm going to look at those classes right away!

Oh, and it'd be great if you could tell me which books the classes you suggest are from! ^_^ Now worries if you can't, it'd just cut down my time for hunting them. :smallsmile:

[Dode]

Here's a quicky with no gear (like Monk's Belt) added.


Half-Orc Pounce Barbarian 2/Fighter2/Pounce Barbarian 1/Thrall of Jubilex 4

Stats

BAB: +9/+4
Fort: +13 Ref: +5, Will +6
HP: 82
Feats: Willing Deformity, Thrall to Demon, Improved Unarmed Strike, Improved Grapple, Deformity (Obese), Snap Kick (ToB)

Class Features:
Rage 1/day, Trap Sense +1, Pounce, Uncanny Dodge
Sickening Slime DC 17, Corrosive Grasp 3/day, Summon Ooze, Contagion 4/day CL10 DC 14, Alter Self at will

Full attack:

+11/+11/+6, 1d3+2d6+4 (corrosive slime) each
Suprisingly versatile abilities.

[Konig]

Dragon magazine did a set of variant paladins, 3 of which were evil, (the non-evil ones are in the earlier issues, the evil ones are in Dragon #312).

The Anti-Paladin is the antithesis of the heroic crusader we all know and tolerate. Slaughter, cruelty, sin, cheating, crushing the innocent and using poison and disease. Take the paladin, do the opposite.

The Corrupter is a NE paladin variant, who is sort of a subverter of the non-evil temples and churches. The Corrupter perverts other religions and can turn people towards evil. Looks horrendously fun to play, if the campaign you're in has room for that sort of business. Among the corrupter's abilities that I recall include hiding alignment and 'fallen soul', which is a subtle curse that gradually turns the target to evil.

The Despot is the LE paladin variant, who dominates and oppresses the weak. Taking command of an area, the despot rules with an iron fist, be it a guild of evil-aligned warriors or an entire region. Among the abilities I remember include the very thematic Oppress (replaces turn undead) which makes lesser mortals shaken or nauseated.

[Bleen]

I know it's kind of obvious, but evil-aligned Clerics are always fun from my experience, and Clerics are reasonably good at melee.

[MammonAzrael]

Hmm, I'm really liking the Soul Eater class from BoVD. Is there an update or FAQ for it, since I've got some questions.

Does it's energy drain effect activate with every touch, i.e. a claw-claw-bite attack round (assuming they all hit) would bestow 3 negative levels?

Do the enhancement bonuses to STR, DEX, and CON (and the soul enhancement bonuses) stack with themselves (you use your energy drain ability 3 time within 24 hours, do you have a +12 to said stats?)

[Squash Monster]

Clerics are great at melee, but I think Ur-Priest is a better choice if you're already going to be evil.

I think an evil Factotum (Dungeonscape) who prestiges into Ur-Priest (Complete Divine) and makes liberal use of the usual Clericzilla spells would make a pretty scary character.

[Dode]

Clerics are great at melee, but I think Ur-Priest is a better choice if you're already going to be evil.

I think an evil Factotum (Dungeonscape) who prestiges into Ur-Priest (Complete Divine) and makes liberal use of the usual Clericzilla spells would make a pretty scary character.
ECL 8, he said.

The Ur-Priest's ability to cast 1-2 3rd level spells at that point isn't very scary.

[MammonAzrael]

Holy crap. The Dicsiple of Dipater's Iron Power ability doubles, and later triples the critical threat range of an iron or steel weapon you wield and it stacks with Improved Critical!

Scimitar = 18-20
Imp Crit = 15-20
DoD lv4 = 12-20
DoD lv8 = 9-20 Threat range!!!

[The_Snark]

Yep. That's because it dates from 3.0, when they still let things like that stack.

Assassins are always fun, in my experience, although they do tend more towards the squishy side.

[Dode]

I dunno, I still think Thrall of Jubilex is the best evil class in that book.

Swashbuckler2/Fighter2/ToJ 8 means you get full BAB and Polymorph as a supernatural ability at will. Holy crap.

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

I am your man.

Abyssal Arcane Destroyer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1945594#post1945594)
Anathema Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71282)
Crusader of Death (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69427)
Eldritch Speaker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43648)
Hell's Dagger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10679)
Masked Demon (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71073)(it's evil-ish)
Necrolock (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1745177#post1745177)
Scion of the Black Words (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1814058)
Sword of Levakross (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64781)
The Possessed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10533)
Unseen Curse (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29656)
Zealot of Salamander (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67574)

Not all meat shields, but there's some others in there in case you choose another path.

[Agrippa]

I have a question. Is the villain in question Lawful, Neutral or Chaotic Evil? Also, is the malefactor a non-native outsider? Depending upon the answers to those questions I might be of assistance to you.

[Xefas]

I am your man.

Abyssal Arcane Destroyer (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1945594#post1945594)
Anathema Mage (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71282)
Crusader of Death (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69427)
Eldritch Speaker (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43648)
Hell's Dagger (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10679)
Masked Demon (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71073)(it's evil-ish)
Necrolock (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1745177#post1745177)
Scion of the Black Words (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1814058)
Sword of Levakross (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64781)
The Possessed (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10533)
Unseen Curse (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29656)
Zealot of Salamander (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67574)

Not all meat shields, but there's some others in there in case you choose another path.

Balor Savage Progression (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31160)? :smallsmile:

Incidentally, I don't suppose you have some sort of consolidated resource of all your homebrews, Krimm?

On topic, I vote for an evil Crusader 6/ Crusader of Death 2

[Krimm_Blackleaf]

Balor Savage Progression (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31160)? :smallsmile:

Incidentally, I don't suppose you have some sort of consolidated resource of all your homebrews, Krimm?

On topic, I vote for an evil Crusader 6/ Crusader of Death 2

Oh yeah... forgot about that one. I could PM you a list of all the PrC's I've made so far, I have one sitting in my PM's that needs updating.

[Farmer42]

Thayan Knight from CW, but you'll likely have to refluff it some and change one or two things.

[playswithfire]

And Thri-Kreen are an ECL 4 race (+2 LA and 2 racial HD)


Right; I should've said; I was using the non-psionic version from Monster Manual 2; same stats, just no psi-like abilities or power points. Generally the better version if the DM will allow it.

My understanding is that each natural attack of a Soul Eater deals a negative level.
The bonuses from soul eating won't stack, since they're explicitly enhancement bonuses, but there are some nice feats from Libris Mortis (sadly with a CHA requirement of 13 and 15 respectively) that increase your HP dealt and bonus HP gained and, the better one with the CHA 15 requirement, gives stacking +1s to attack and save rolls for an hour after you use energy drain

[Agrippa]

If your character is Lawful Evil then Dark Marshal of Bael or Dominator of Belial from Gates of Hell (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth669h/TGoH/) Chapter III couldn't go wrong.

[MammonAzrael]

Holy crap, I go out for the evening with friends, and when I get back I have a butt load of suggestions to go through. You guys are awesome.

First, I'm going to go through all the other suggested classes after I post and catch up.

Agrippa: The "villains" are actually another party. This party is the villain party. The alignments are suggested to be along the evil and/or chaotic axis. At this point I'm thinking I'd like my character to be along the evil axis.

Krimm: I'm gonna look through those homebrew, can't wait. Homebrew is allowed, subject to DM approval, of course.

Playswithfire: Ahhh. Nice. For a Soul Eater I was considering using the Feral template (SS), which would be pretty nasty on a thri-kreen.

[Dode]

Here's a tighter version of my previous Jubilex build:


Al'Jay
Human Swashbuckler 2/Fighter 2/Thrall of Jubilex 4

hp 60; Init +5; Spd 30;
AC:20 (Flatfooted:15 Touch:15);
Atk +9/4 base melee, +13/8 base ranged;
AL CE;

Attack:
Claws: +12/+12/+7 1d6+5 damage
Longbow +13/+8 (1d8 damage)

Armor:
Mithril Breastplate (+5 AC)

SV Fort +11, Ref +10, Will +4;
STR 12, DEX 20, CON 12, INT 12, WIS 10, CHA 10.
Skills: Escape Artist +10, Intimidate +2, Move Silently +14, Spot +2, Tumble +11.

Manuever: Clinging Shadow Strike Strike: For suffers 20% miss chance on attacks against foe.

Feats: Armor Proficiency: heavy, Armor Proficiency: light, Armor Proficiency: medium, Deformity (Clawed Hands), Shield Proficiency, Simple Weapon Proficiency, Thrall to Demon, Tower Shield Proficiency, Weapon Finesse, Willing Deformity, Martial Manuever (Shadow Sun), Shadow Blade, Two-Weapon Fighting

Special Qualities: Sickening Slime, Alter Self at Will, Contagion 4/day, Corrosive Touch 3/day, Grace +1

Sickening Slime [Ex]: Anyone within 5 ft must make a DC 14 fort save or take a -1 circumstance penalty on attack roles

Alter Self [Su]: A thrall of Jubilex' form becomes somewhat transitory and amorphous. It can change its appearance and form at will, as the alter self[i] spell by a 4th level caster.

Corrosive Touch: The character can secrete a caustic slime on its hands that deal 2d6 points of damage that can be delivered via touch or unarmed attack.

Contagion: The touch of the character carries a [i]contagion spell once per day per class level. Fort save DC 13

Summon Ooze [Sp]: At 3rd level a thrall of Jubilex can summon a patch of Green slime, a gray ooze, an ochre jelly or a gelatinous cube. CL = his thrall level. Of course, he will Alter Self into a Troglodyte for +6 natural AC before going into combat. I don't know how much loot you want to give him I left all that open. Enjoy the disguised killing machine.

[Zincorium]

Playswithfire: Ahhh. Nice. For a Soul Eater I was considering using the Feral template (SS), which would be pretty nasty on a thri-kreen.

Feral Thri-keen is stupidly good, even with the LA. Adding in soul eater is just evil. Your only problem is likely to be the relative lack of HP from the lost hit dice, so be sure and pump your constitution. Prior to soul-eater, one level of barbarian (lion totem from complete champion is a good option, you're already stupidly fast as a thri-keen) and two levels of fighter/tome of battle class.

[Dhavaer]

If you don't mind homebrew, you can try the Hellknight (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20263&highlight=Hellknight).

[playswithfire]

Feral Thri-keen is stupidly good, even with the LA. Adding in soul eater is just evil. Your only problem is likely to be the relative lack of HP from the lost hit dice, so be sure and pump your constitution. Prior to soul-eater, one level of barbarian (lion totem from complete champion is a good option, you're already stupidly fast as a thri-keen) and two levels of fighter/tome of battle class.
Normally, I'd say Thri-Kreen make good swordsages, but if you're a feral Thri-Kreen, you take the dex hit from feral and, if you want to be a soul eater by ECL 8, you can only take full BAB classes. So Feral non-psionic Thri-Kreen 4/Pounce Barbarian 1/Fighter 2/Soul Eater 1 should work

Stats mods of +6 STR,+2 DEX,+2 CON,+2 WIS,-6 INT, and -4 CHA, pounce from Barbarian, Improved Grab and fast healing from Feral Template, your claws are now d8s, BAB 6 and your base saves are 7/5/5. Sadly only 43.5 average HP before CON mod, but you should have decent CON anyway.

[RTGoodman]

I'm not sure how no one has mentioned this yet, but Unearthed Arcana (and, conveniently, the SRD) have three variant Paladins, one for each radical alignment; you can find them here (http://systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/unearthedCoreClass.html#freedom-slaughter-and-tyranny). I personally like the Paladin of Tyranny (LE) better than Blackguard, and Paladin of Slaughter seems cool (though I've never seen one in a game). Tiefling Paladin of Tyranny 7 (or just Human Paladin of Tyranny 8) could work for a build, but I don't know anything specific.

Complete Warrior has the Hexblade which is an evil-type melee-ish (I think) class, but focused on cursing people. It doesn't seem mechanically strong, but could be something to look into. I don't know any builds that utilize it.

Crusader (if you're using Tome of Battle) could be a cool melee bad guy, and you can pick up some neat stuff depending on maneuvers you pick. Swordsage works too, and gets Shadow Hand stuff, but is a little squishier.

It's no meatshield, but you can do all sorts of evil stuff as a Warlock. I mean, the evil is right in the fluff, and you can pick up some pretty decent creepy invocations.

If you have access to Tome of Magic, check out the Binder class. It doesn't really fill a traditional party role, but can change role depending on the vestiges it binds, many or most of which are evil-related (ancient evil dead gods, people made of teeth, etc.).

[MammonAzrael]

Krimm and Dhavaer, those are both some great homebrews, I'm really considering them.

Dode: Thanks for the build, it does look pretty nasty, but I don't think that's what I want to play atm. Just not feelin' it, you know?

Playswithfire: Feral also grants you Pounce, so you really don't need the pounce barb (which I don't know where to find, actually). I'm not sure if I'm going to run the thri-kreen, since I'll need to come up with good fluff for it, but I did build a basic idea of it (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=46279).

rtg0922: Thanks, and yeah, the paladins have been mentioned.


Right now I'm leaning towards the homebrew stuff, since it's allowed and that's not as often. Granted since the opposing overall enemy will be actual PCs, the Soul Eater will be nastier than usual, so it's still in the running. I will definitely let you all know what I wind up going with.

[Agrippa]

Agrippa: The "villains" are actually another party. This party is the villain party. The alignments are suggested to be along the evil and/or chaotic axis. At this point I'm thinking I'd like my character to be along the evil axis.

Oh, this is for a PC. I should have read the first post more carefully then. My suggestions still stand.