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Miles Invictus
2008-03-18, 07:23 PM
I'm looking for a bit more versatility in my Duskblade. Are there any feats that add to spell lists? The few I've found apply specifically to sorcerers, rather than spontaneous spellcasters in general. We're playing in Paizo's Pathfinder setting, if that helps.

DraPrime
2008-03-18, 07:25 PM
The Extra Spell feat from Complete Arcane is just the thing. It gives an extra spell to anyone with a caster level of at least 3.

dman11235
2008-03-18, 07:33 PM
Note that the spell is limited to your spell list.

Sandshaper adds in some spells known, and you only need a couple levels of the class. Exalted Arcanist does too at fifth level (sanctified spells). Depending on what you need, seven levels of Enlightened Fist gets you a nice boost: cast ranged touch spells as touch, thus allowing arcane channeling of Disintegrate and Polar Ray. And Enervate. That one's a biggy. And you can enter without monk levels! Bloodline feats grant spells known. That's all I've got.

MeklorIlavator
2008-03-18, 07:40 PM
One option is to make a list of spells you would like, and ask the Dm if you could switch them out on a 1-for-1 basis, though i would choose spells from the same school if you go this route.

Starbuck_II
2008-03-18, 07:48 PM
Note that the spell is limited to your spell list.

Sandshaper adds in some spells known, and you only need a couple levels of the class. Exalted Arcanist does too at fifth level (sanctified spells). Depending on what you need, seven levels of Enlightened Fist gets you a nice boost: cast ranged touch spells as touch, thus allowing arcane channeling of Disintegrate and Polar Ray. And Enervate. That one's a biggy. And you can enter without monk levels! Bloodline feats grant spells known. That's all I've got.

1 level in Sand Shaper adds the new spells.

Squash Monster
2008-03-18, 07:49 PM
AFB at the moment, so I can't check. But does the usual Sand Shaper (Sandstorm) dip that sorcerers take help you?

EDIT: Nevermind me, I was ninja'd.

bugsysservant
2008-03-18, 07:51 PM
I'm AFB, but can a duskblade be eligible for Rainbow Servant? That adds, IIRC, 6/10ths spell casting (well, by table. No one would actually do otherwise in play) and gives the numerous domains, with the capstone of adding the entire cleric spell list to your spells known. But again, that would require you to qualify, and I can't check right now.

Dode
2008-03-18, 07:57 PM
Arcane Disciple feat, Complete Arcane. Gives access to one domain's worth of spells, provided you have a high enough wisdom score.

Chronos
2008-03-18, 08:01 PM
I'm AFB, but can a duskblade be eligible for Rainbow Servant?No reason they wouldn't be, but if you're going to take ten levels of a class with poor BAB and no melee-related abilities, why use Duskblade as the base to begin with?

dman11235
2008-03-18, 08:17 PM
Arcane Disciple adds a domain, and you can take the spells as spells known. And (at least I don't think so) a DB doesn't know all his spells, so the spell list expansion tricks don't work (Rainbow Servant).

Hal
2008-03-18, 08:23 PM
There are rules in the DMG for researching spells. You could use this to learn spells not on your list.

The downside is that your DM has to go along with it. I'm playing a Duskblade right now, and my DM has an incredibly tight "as it's written and no other way" approach to things.

Aquillion
2008-03-18, 08:45 PM
Let's see. Several things from the Sorcerer thread still apply here...

The big ones are the Dragon Magazine bloodline feats, which each add nine spells directly to your spells known; they require that you give up a class of spells, too, but with many it isn't such a big deal.

There is one catch. While you don't have to be a sorcerer (the ability to cast 'improptu' spells is enough) you need to have the ability to summon a familar, so you'll have to waste a feat on that. Worthwhile if you can convince your DM to let you get a hummingbird (+4 initiative, probably get it instead of improved initiative -- or stack them), but that's not very likely.

Miles Invictus
2008-03-18, 08:58 PM
Thanks for the help, everyone.

My DM is very permissive, but we use a low point-buy system -- Arcane Disciple won't work because I don't have a high enough wisdom score. Regarding PrCs, I'm quite satisfied with the Duskblade at the moment, and I'd rather not leave it except for a very good reason.

Though they aren't as permanent as feats, I'm thinking that Knowstones are probably my best option, if Dragon magazine is an allowed source. Failing that, I'll see what the DM says about spell research.

Chronos
2008-03-18, 09:29 PM
And (at least I don't think so) a DB doesn't know all his spells, so the spell list expansion tricks don't work (Rainbow Servant).They'll work, in that you're then eligible to spend Spells Known on them, but you do still need to spend the Spells Known. So it's not nearly as effective as it is for Warmage or Beguiler.

Kurald Galain
2008-03-19, 04:33 AM
Note that your Duskblade channeling ability also works with spells from every other class you might have. So the easiest way to boost your list of spells known is probably to take a single level of wizard or cleric.

(or beguiler or warmage, but they really don't synergize all that well).

Hal
2008-03-19, 06:34 AM
Note that your Duskblade channeling ability also works with spells from every other class you might have. So the easiest way to boost your list of spells known is probably to take a single level of wizard or cleric.

(or beguiler or warmage, but they really don't synergize all that well).

Armored mage doesn't work with magic from other classes, so that's some bad synergy there. A one level dip of Sorcerer/Wizard won't net you any amazing spells, and only a three level dip in Duskblade isn't worth it.

Kurald Galain
2008-03-19, 07:03 AM
Armored mage doesn't work with magic from other classes, so that's some bad synergy there. A one level dip of Sorcerer/Wizard won't net you any amazing spells, and only a three level dip in Duskblade isn't worth it.

I said cleric or wizard, not sorcerer. A one-level dip in either nets you every single 0th- and 1st-level spell on their respective spell lists (although this costs you a bit of money as a wizard). Clerics can cast in armor, wizards can use twilight mithril stuff.

Duskblade 3 is a valid dip, leading to builds such as Duskblade 3 / Wizard 3 / Ultimate Magus, for instance. Or, for that matter, Buskblade 3 / Wizard -> master specialist archmage.