MITD theory

[Oxymoron]

In comic 541 the cockroach refuses to let the MITD gamble (at first anyway) and it calls him kid. Since it's illegal to let underage kids gamble we can assume that the MITD is in fact a child, not just a monster with a childs mind. I'm still at a loss of what the MITD really is. He is probably just a childversion of a powerful monster, but which? But a clue is still a clue right? :smallfrown:

[Chronos]

On the other hand, he's old/mature/precocious/whatever enough to be interested in dwarf porn (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0082.html). It's pretty hot, actually.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

There are not that many child monsters out there, especially ones as phsically powerful as the MITD.

I'm personally convinced that the MITD is:
Minya, son of Godzilla. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minilla)

I saw the movie when I was about eight or nine, and it was always one of my favorite Godzilla movies. Minya/Minilla fits the descriprion of the MITD, powerful, childlike, about 10 (mentally/emotionally), not overly bright, but with Godzilla as his father, more than capable of becoming one of the most powerful monsters ever.


Just my 2cp.

[FujinAkari]

We can put about as much credence into the cockroaches calling the MitD a kid as we can Sabine calling V a woman (or a man, she's done both!)

Its just the cockroach's unsubstantiated opinion.

[Milandros]

Indeed. Otherwise we must conclude that Luke Skywalker is also a child, because Han tells him that flying through hyperspace "ain't like dusting crops, kid".

[Phase]

Yeah, it's just a short term. Like Mac, or Sonny...

[Oxymoron]

Look, I'm not saying that the MITD MUST be a kid, but the cockraoch insisted that the gambling was legit. Why wouldn't they allow an adult to play? I still think It's a kid. It sure acts like it.

[Hell Puppi]

Maybe they just didn't want him to play...?

[Zeitgeist]

In comic 541 the cockroach refuses to let the MITD gamble (at first anyway) and it calls him kid. Since it's illegal to let underage kids gamble we can assume that the MITD is in fact a child, not just a monster with a childs mind. I'm still at a loss of what the MITD really is. He is probably just a childversion of a powerful monster, but which? But a clue is still a clue right? :smallfrown:

A couple of things:

1) Maybe you don't realize it because you are from Norway (provided that what I read below your name is accurate) so you may not understand how casually American's use the term "kid." It can be substituted for "pal," "buddy," or "sport," but generally only if the person being called kid is younger. Actually, they can be as old as late 20s and still be called kid by their elders, its not uncommon.

2) MitD's intellect proves nothing. In fact, I never once connected his intellect with being a kid. Rather, I thought more along the lines of the novel, Of Mice and Men. Extremely strong adult, childlike behavior (mental disability), lack of understanding of how things work in the world, and a love for small cute animals, like puppies.

The MitD is just... not a kid. He may share some qualities of one, but he also has adult qualities, so the possibility can be eliminated easily. And really, if you know many kids, it is obscenely evident that he does not consistently speak like one.

[Theodoriph]

The quote, "we run a legit operation here" may not refer to his status as an adult, but instead to the fact that previously he had been betting with fake monopoly money. Given that, kid is likely just a moniker.

[Alex Warlorn]

Achild OWLEPHANT and armadillephant hybrid.
http://www.headinjurytheater.com/article73.htm

Would explain why Redcloak does NOT want people to know what it is.

[Gamerlord]

they probaly ban him from the game cause he used fake money to play if he was a kid they whould'nt care because they are evil

[shadeofblack]

it's very young (last strip, tea parties, power rangers toys), it's a very rare species (SoD), and it's supposed to be more powerful than almost any creature you can find (Xykon in an old strip). my money would be on a baby tarrasque except that they aren't supposed to be able to speak. maybe they're different in the oots universe, who knows?

[Oxymoron]

Thank you Shadeofblack for supporting my THEORY. I've never said that my theory was true, I'm only guessing because of the MITD childish nature. And I have watched enough american sitcoms to get that kid can be applied to people older than, "well", a kid.

[brilliantlight]

The quote, "we run a legit operation here" may not refer to his status as an adult, but instead to the fact that previously he had been betting with fake monopoly money. Given that, kid is likely just a moniker.

And still was. I agree with you and even if he wins they will just give him monopoly money back.

[ChaoticEvilGuy]

everyone knows tht :mitd: is a Tarrasque! (pg. 240 of the Monster Manual if you own one) only because it's been in darkness for so long it's mind has resorted to child like behavior. The :roach: didn't let :mitd: play because he acts like a kid. (ex: if you were playing Halo and your 3 year old brother/sister asked if they could play, would you let them. Most likely no because 1. the game is rated M and 2. because you know they're just gonna screw it up, which :mitd: actually did when he voted for escapes)

[Kami2awa]

The more interesting question is... why is MITD in a cage all of a sudden?

[pankake]

The more interesting question is... why is MITD in a cage all of a sudden?

Maybe his umbrella is getting cleaned?

[Qov]

The more interesting question is... why is MITD in a cage all of a sudden?

It kind of reminds me of a playhouse I had when I was little. The MitD probably has its tea set, and its stuffed toys, and its crayons, not to mention its Monopoly set in there, all safely out of the way where the hobgoblins won't step on them. I think it's happy in there.

[Sky_Schemer]

Rather, I thought more along the lines of the novel, Of Mice and Men.

*blinks*

Of course! It's so obvious now. The MiTD is...Lennie Small.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

The more interesting question is... why is MITD in a cage all of a sudden?

It's his cage/box from when he was still in the circus. I guess he misses his old home, and the comforting darkness...

I know there's several of arguments against the MitD being a child, but as I go through the old strips, I'm MORE convinced he is a kid, acting like he thinks the "grown-ups" want him to act.

The tea party, the toys, the general "I wanna help" attitude, and all the other little things he does reminds me of my kids.

[doliest]

I think argueing is purposeless because it's probably a rich-made creature because, really, no epic creature is medium-to-large size yet is strong enough to cause earthquakes easily, no creature in the books is like that, so it's a rich creature that is either a child or just similar mentally.

[Halvormerlinaky]

On the other hand, he's old/mature/precocious/whatever enough to be interested in dwarf porn (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0082.html). It's pretty hot, actually.

"Oh, yeah, baby, do that with your beard. Ummmm, ooooo, yeah. Rub that beard all over your tatas. Oooooo."

Yea, I'm evil.

[factotum]

Evil, but apparently nearsighted; Hilgya didn't have a beard. :smallsmile:

[David Argall]

Evil, but apparently nearsighted; Hilgya didn't have a beard. :smallsmile:

Higya did not have a beard we could see while she was wearing armor.

[shadeofblack]

I think argueing is purposeless because it's probably a rich-made creature because, really, no epic creature is medium-to-large size yet is strong enough to cause earthquakes easily, no creature in the books is like that, so it's a rich creature that is either a child or just similar mentally.

if it was a rich-made creature, then the real purposelessness would be the aura of mystery around him. that would be very disappointing in my opinion.

[Jaessick]

Forgive me if this has already been stated and subsequently shot down, but I believe the MitD to be none other than the Snarl. I base this, of course, on evidence presented to us in the comic.

First, the Snarl is incapable of recognizing the order of its prison... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html)

And in the following comics, the MitD is also incapable of recognizing the gates either...
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0096.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0106.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html

And the MitD certainly seems to show characteristics of the Snarl, at least in terms of power.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0475.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0477.html



The Snarl destroying the first world in 27 minutes sounds a lot like a tantrum thrown by a child (that is, if a child had the power to destroy all of creation) and the eyes of the Snarl are certainly in keeping with the eyes of the MitD whenever it is angry. I believe that if all the MitD knew was people ignoring it and arguing all the time it would react in the same exact way as the Snarl did when it revealed itself.

The holes in the Snarl's prison existed for years before Lirian and Dorukan sealed all the gates, it is entirely possible that it could have escaped and started roaming through the land for people to find. The reason Xykon and Redcloak can keep it in check is because, in theory, the gods are even more vulnerable to the Snarl than a mortal of the same level would be. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html)

In keeping with The Giant's tendency to wrap things up very tightly I believe that he would be more likely to have the MitD be something that is very plot-related, and not some random powerful monster. And so far as Xykon and Redcloak recognizing the Snarl, I don't think they would, based on the fact that all of their knowledge of the Snarl comes directly from The Dark One, a deity that didn't even exist at the time of the Snarl's imprisonment.


My two copper pieces.

[Lupy]

Forgive me if this has already been stated and subsequently shot down, but I believe the MitD to be none other than the Snarl. I base this, of course, on evidence presented to us in the comic.

First, the Snarl is incapable of recognizing the order of its prison... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html)

And in the following comics, the MitD is also incapable of recognizing the gates either...
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0096.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0106.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html

And the MitD certainly seems to show characteristics of the Snarl, at least in terms of power.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0475.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0477.html



The Snarl destroying the first world in 27 minutes sounds a lot like a tantrum thrown by a child (that is, if a child had the power to destroy all of creation) and the eyes of the Snarl are certainly in keeping with the eyes of the MitD whenever it is angry. I believe that if all the MitD knew was people ignoring it and arguing all the time it would react in the same exact way as the Snarl did when it revealed itself.

The holes in the Snarl's prison existed for years before Lirian and Dorukan sealed all the gates, it is entirely possible that it could have escaped and started roaming through the land for people to find. The reason Xykon and Redcloak can keep it in check is because, in theory, the gods are even more vulnerable to the Snarl than a mortal of the same level would be. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html)

In keeping with The Giant's tendency to wrap things up very tightly I believe that he would be more likely to have the MitD be something that is very plot-related, and not some random powerful monster. And so far as Xykon and Redcloak recognizing the Snarl, I don't think they would, based on the fact that all of their knowledge of the Snarl comes directly from The Dark One, a deity that didn't even exist at the time of the Snarl's imprisonment.


My two copper pieces.

Brilliant! This is my current theory now!!!

[Emanick]

Forgive me if this has already been stated and subsequently shot down, but I believe the MitD to be none other than the Snarl. I base this, of course, on evidence presented to us in the comic.

First, the Snarl is incapable of recognizing the order of its prison... (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html)

And in the following comics, the MitD is also incapable of recognizing the gates either...
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0096.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0106.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html

And the MitD certainly seems to show characteristics of the Snarl, at least in terms of power.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0475.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0477.html



The Snarl destroying the first world in 27 minutes sounds a lot like a tantrum thrown by a child (that is, if a child had the power to destroy all of creation) and the eyes of the Snarl are certainly in keeping with the eyes of the MitD whenever it is angry. I believe that if all the MitD knew was people ignoring it and arguing all the time it would react in the same exact way as the Snarl did when it revealed itself.

The holes in the Snarl's prison existed for years before Lirian and Dorukan sealed all the gates, it is entirely possible that it could have escaped and started roaming through the land for people to find. The reason Xykon and Redcloak can keep it in check is because, in theory, the gods are even more vulnerable to the Snarl than a mortal of the same level would be. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html)

In keeping with The Giant's tendency to wrap things up very tightly I believe that he would be more likely to have the MitD be something that is very plot-related, and not some random powerful monster. And so far as Xykon and Redcloak recognizing the Snarl, I don't think they would, based on the fact that all of their knowledge of the Snarl comes directly from The Dark One, a deity that didn't even exist at the time of the Snarl's imprisonment.


My two copper pieces.

That's a great theory, but why did the two trappers recognize the creature type, in that case? The tiny tarrasque (awakened) theory is still my favorite.

@ Zeitgeist: If the MitD consistently spoke like a child, the comedy he so frequently produces would be considerably lessened. At any rate, he does most of the time (thanks Red Alert).
In this case, comedy trumps the few occasions when the MitD speaks in sophisticated terms. Even Thog doesn't always speak like a five-year old ("thog feels little man's pain. thog's racial abilities also below par.").
And by the way, whoever said the MitD acted like a ten-year-old obviously doesn't know any. Ten-year-olds have reasonable memories and actually know things.

[Belkar Rocks]

I know what the MitD is. Well, at least I've convinced myself that I know.

He's a fish. Specifically, he's a red herring.:smallcool:

[shadeofblack]

that snarl theory makes no sense at all. if the snarl is already on the mortal plane then why are xykon and redcloak bothering with the gates?

[Jaessick]

that snarl theory makes no sense at all. if the snarl is already on the mortal plane then why are xykon and redcloak bothering with the gates?

Clearly this can be for several reasons, but I think the most likely ones are:

1) They don't recognize the Snarl

2) They still need to control the gates in order to make the holes in the Snarl's prison exist on the gods' plane.

3) They wish to have another level of control over it before they want to use it.

You're a smart person, I'm sure you can come up with other reasons if you think about it.

[shadeofblack]

you haven't read SoD, have you?

[Saint Nil]

I don't know, I think the young tarrasque theory fits better. Probably a pre-teen. The snarl is an epic monster in another plane. Unless there is a portable gae under that umbrella, then I vote young tarrasque over snarl.

[David Argall]

The MitD is, for our purposes, a unique creature that we will never see, little different from V's sex.

On the available evidence, the Snarl and MitD are very different creatures. To have them the same, you have to assume the offered evidence about the Snarl is highly wrong. That is not impossible. The godly witnesses were likely in a complete funk and could have misunderstood and misreported the whole thing. But if we accept the evidence, about the only thing they have in common is a whole lot of power.

Of the suggested points..


First, the Snarl is incapable of recognizing the order of its prison...
It was incapable of noticing it being trapped in the prison. Nothing says it is still unaware of its imprisoned state.


And in the following comics, the MitD is also incapable of recognizing the gates either...
The gates are, properly speaking, not part of the prison, and the MitD does recognize them. It just forgets them. It does this with a lot of things, such as its ability to cause earthquakes and SoD stew at the circus


the eyes of the Snarl are certainly in keeping with the eyes of the MitD whenever it is angry.
Snarl eyes are unique to the Snarl. MitD eyes are the standard for all characters, just a little larger.


In keeping with The Giant's tendency to wrap things up very tightly
What tendency? We have new characters with most comics and we aren't sure that even the dead ones are gone. Nor do we see much recycling of characters.

[Jaessick]

Hmmm...

Well, I suppose there's something to be said for trying. I guess we'll all see what it is in the end, but until then we're all just speculating.

I do appreciate those of you who didn't automatically discount my theory, but instead offered suggestions as to why it would be invalid. However, since I hadn't seen it discussed, and thought it was plausible, I figured it was worth mentioning.

The main reason I brought it up is because I actually disagree with the Tarrasque theory on a few points. First because The Tarrasque is called "the" for a reason, there is only ever supposed to be one of them in existance at any given time, and for there to be a childlike version of one strongly suggests that The Tarrasque mates and creates offspring. Second, The Tarrasque is nowhere close to a medium or large size, and we can all agree that the MitD is at least medium, and over the time span that the MitD exists to this point in the comic would certainly have grown exponentially in size over the scripts. Third, I have a hard time with someone awakening The Tarrasque in the first place, there seems to be no reason for it. And fourth, unless memory does not serve me, The Tarrasque doesn't have opposible thumbs capable of holding a Hello Kitty umbrella.

All of that being said, in addition to my previous reasons for believing so, I still maintain that the MitD is indeed the Snarl.

[Theodoriph]

Believing in one flawed theory just because another theory is flawed is ridiculous. :smalltongue:


I tell you Jenkins, I never expected to see one of these (re: there's more than one) in this part of the world

MiTD is not the Snarl unless there's more than one Snarl wandering around.
MiTD is not a Tarrasque unless there's more than one Tarrasque wandering around.

Both theories suffer from the same major flaw. This flaw is actually more of a problem for the Snarl, since we're sure that there's only one snarl in OOTSverse, but the same cannot be said about the Tarrasque. That being said, each theory has numerous other smaller flaws.

Instead of simply believing in one implausible theory because a second is likewise implausible, a new theory should be created. :smallsmile:

[Jaessick]

Instead of simply believing in one implausible theory because a second is likewise implausible, a new theory should be created. :smallsmile:

Hear hear! On to creating a new theory then...

[shadeofblack]

Hmmm...

Well, I suppose there's something to be said for trying. I guess we'll all see what it is in the end, but until then we're all just speculating.

I do appreciate those of you who didn't automatically discount my theory, but instead offered suggestions as to why it would be invalid.

{Scrubbed}

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Hear hear! On to creating a new theory then...

Use mine, then! :smallbiggrin:

There are several "Japanese Rubber Suit" monsters, most of whom live on Monster Island. Fits the type, fits "more than one," and fits being "from out of the area."

The earthquake is something Godzilla could do, and Godzilla had at least one child named either Minya or Minilla.

Minya could speak, at least in dreams; and while he was a child, he was also very physically powerful. Minya was also the first Godzilla movie directed at children, even though Godzilla was already popular with kids.

The "interested in hot dwarf on dwarf action" is something a kid might say to impress the older kids, even if he doesn't "get it." Sort of like watching slugs mate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSW9kWIRCOQ)

Everything else makes the MitD look more like a child than a simple-minded adult. Toys, tea parties, afraid of the dark, whinyness, wanting to help, and other things he does reminds me of the way my kids have acted over the years.

Not everything in the strip is directly D&D. Just because there was never an "Official" Godzilla conversion doesn't mean Rich can't use a well known and popular non-D&D monster.

[MrEdwardNigma]

[QUOTE=Oxymoron;4078780]Look, I'm not saying that the MITD MUST be a kid, but the cockraoch insisted that the gambling was legit. Why wouldn't they allow an adult to play? I still think It's a kid. It sure acts like it.[/QUOTE

Because he gambles with monopoly money. Fake monopoly money, apparantely.

[Ikialev]

He's a ioung Solaris from Sonic the Hedgehog.

[ChaoticEvilGuy]

I know what the MitD is. Well, at least I've convinced myself that I know.

He's a fish. Specifically, he's a red herring.:smallcool:

OH MY GODS! WHY PUT THAT IN 2 SPOILERS!:smallannoyed: