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Solo
2008-03-22, 07:01 PM
If Batman = Wizard, what are the other superheroes in DnD terms?

How about.....


Silver Age Superman = Pun Pun
Superman = Cleric
Wonder Woman = Favored Soul
Hawk Girl = Barbarian
Martian Manhunter = Psychic Warrior
Green Lantern: Sorcerer focusing on [Force] spells and Conjuration
The Question: Rogue
Green Arrow: Ranger
Ghostrider: Paladin (He has a pimpin' mount)
Lady Shiva: Unarmed Swordsage
Aquaman: Samurai
The Flash: Monk

Zincorium
2008-03-22, 07:05 PM
The Punisher = fighter
Iron Man = artificer
Dr. Strange = archivist

Saph
2008-03-22, 07:06 PM
I always thought the Rogue was a better match for Batman; he has no magic powers, just training, stealth, and lots of equipment. The wizard can be Doctor Strange instead.

- Saph

kpenguin
2008-03-22, 07:06 PM
Aquaman: Samurai


*expresses generic anger at Aquaman being considered weak*

Matthew
2008-03-22, 07:07 PM
There was a thread about this long ago; I go with:

Batman = Wizard
Superman = Fighter
Ironman = Cleric
Spiderman = Rogue

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:13 PM
Psylocke:Soulblade::Mysterio:Beguiler

Solo
2008-03-22, 07:13 PM
*expresses generic anger at Aquaman being considered weak*


He has..... telepathy with water creatures, rules his own kingdom "under the sea" and super strength?

MeklorIlavator
2008-03-22, 07:15 PM
Superfriends Aquaman= Samuria
Justice League Aquaman= ???

@V: Yes the superfriend/earlier versions of Aquaman suck, but so do the earlier versions of most superheros. Go watch the Justice League's version and tell me he's not awesome.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:15 PM
He has..... telepathy with water creatures, rules his own kingdom "under the sea" and super strength?

Since when does he get strength?
Of course, then there is his arch nemesis whos name escapes me.
He owns a boat.

Zincorium
2008-03-22, 07:18 PM
Aquaman certainly used to be weak, breathing water and talking to fish was the entirety of his superheroiness in the past. This has been changed, yeah, but his name is still translatable as 'water boy', the approximate function he served for a while.

Samurai is actually a very accurate comparison, as he's billed as being an aristocratic outsider who punches people until they leave his kingdom alone, much as the samurai is a martial warrior with pretensions to the ruling class who fights for his shogun lord-without-Asian-preconceptions.

Both were billed as much, much more powerful than they turned out to be in practice.

Edit (somewhat off topic):

Was there ever a crossover involving Batman and the Punisher? 'Cause that would be pretty freaking cool.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:19 PM
I'd like to emphasize the awesomeness of a Paladin Ghost Rider.
Possesed by the SPirit of Vengeance, riding a flaming hog, Wielding a flaming spiked chain, smiting evil all night long...

kpenguin
2008-03-22, 07:20 PM
He has..... telepathy with water creatures, rules his own kingdom "under the sea" and super strength?

List of powers from wikipedia:



Aquaman has a number of superhuman powers, most of which derive from the fact that he is adapted to live in the depths of the ocean. Primary among his powers is the ability to extract oxygen from water, allowing him to 'breathe' while submerged. He is unaffected by the immense pressure and the cold temperature of the ocean depths; further, he possesses an enhanced resistance to injury and superhuman strength (he can easily throw a car hundreds of yards). He is likewise able to swim at very high speeds. He can see in near total darkness and has enhanced hearing. Although he can remain underwater indefinitely without suffering any ill effects, Aquaman grows weak if he remains on land for extended periods.

Aquaman's most famous (or infamous) power is the ability to communicate with/command oceanic life. The range of this power is unclear; certainly he can summon sea life from vast distances. Although this power is most often and most easily used on marine life, Aquaman has on multiple occasions demonstrated the capacity to affect any being evolved from marine life (e.g., humans).

After the loss of his hand, Aquaman initially replaced it with a cybernetic harpoon that responded to his thoughts and could be fired while staying attached via a retractable line. Later, the harpoon was replaced by the Waterbearer hand, given to him by the Lady of the Lake. This hand is magical in nature; it grants Aquaman numerous abilities, including but not limited to the ability to dehydrate anyone he touches with it, killing them instantly; to make the Hand extremely dense, thus taking Aquaman to the ocean floor quickly; to shoot jets of scalding water; healing abilities; and the ability to nullify magic.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:23 PM
A gimped Druid with the Hand of Vecna?

Green Bean
2008-03-22, 07:24 PM
I think Martian Manhunter would be a better match for a Druid. Both have multiple sets of abilities which are able to replace entire "classes".
A Druid has healing, buffing, close combat, and scouting capabilities.
MM has pretty much all of Superman's powers, shapeshifting, phasing, and telepathy.

streakster
2008-03-22, 07:25 PM
The Doctor - Sorceror

The Engineer - Warforged Artificer

Jenny Sparks - Warmage

Midnighter - Gestalt Rogue//Factotum which has been gestalted with a Swordsage//Monk.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:26 PM
I think Martian Manhunter would be a better match for a Druid. Both have multiple sets of abilities which are able to replace entire "classes".
A Druid has healing, buffing, close combat, and scouting capabilities.
MM has pretty much all of Superman's powers, shapeshifting, phasing, and telepathy.

A very good point.
Plus I love the martian.

Iku Rex
2008-03-22, 07:26 PM
I always thought the Rogue was a better match for Batman; he has no magic powers, just training, stealth, and lots of equipment. The wizard can be Doctor Strange instead. I believe the Wizard=Batman meme comes from "who would win in a fight" threads on the net. The running joke (or dead serious conclusion) any time Batman is matched against someone else is that "Batman will win - if he's prepared". The same applies to a generalist wizard. He has spells to handle anything, but only if he's prepared.

Random example (http://attacktix.proboards22.com/index.cgi?board=marvelu&action=display&thread=1197072683&page=1#1197082588) from Google, Batman vs. Spider-Man thread:
Batman basically wins at everything. There is NOTHING that can beat Batman if he's prepared and very few things that can beat him if he's unprepared. Batman is just that awesome.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:31 PM
Plus, batman's belt is a lot like vancian magic;
Lots of specific effects that must be prepared ahead of time, and ust be replesnished once they are used up.

Green Bean
2008-03-22, 07:36 PM
Plus, batman's belt is a lot like vancian magic;
Lots of specific effects that must be prepared ahead of time, and ust be replesnished once they are used up.

As well, in online debates, both are filled with the exact effect needed to defeat their foes. :smalltongue:

Collin152
2008-03-22, 07:40 PM
As well, in online debates, both are filled with the exact effect needed to defeat their foes. :smalltongue:

"Fortunatley I brought my carasouel reversal spray"
"I'd probably have some kind of Anti Missile device. On my belt."
"I'm batman. I can breathe in space."

horseboy
2008-03-22, 07:48 PM
I'd put Frank Castle down for Grey Guard.
Nick Fury is a fighter with leadership.

horseboy
2008-03-22, 08:05 PM
I believe the Wizard=Batman meme comes from "who would win in a fight" threads on the net. The running joke (or dead serious conclusion) any time Batman is matched against someone else is that "Batman will win - if he's prepared". The same applies to a generalist wizard. He has spells to handle anything, but only if he's prepared.
Well, that and he's friends with Optimus Prime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ye4mYR878).

What? Someone had to get it out of the way.

Glawackus
2008-03-22, 09:08 PM
Big disclaimer: I only went with what Wikipedia said were the "founding members" for the Big Two teams.

My take on the Justice League, assuming I only get to pick from the base classes in the PHB:

Superman = Paladin
The Big Blue Boy Scout. Come on.

Batman = Rogue
Expert actor, detective, scientist, martial artist, etc. Sounds like the skillmonkey to me.

Wonder Woman = Cleric
Strong connection to the divine, but she doesn't seem to have as much of a do-gooder attitude to me.

Flash = Fighter
To be totally honest, I don't really know. He goes...really...fast? I guess he might be a fighter with Run and Improved Overrun and... :smalltongue:

Green Lantern = Sorcerer
The ring's effects seem to smack more of the sorcerer's "I don't really read anything, I just kind of do what comes to mind" style.

Aquaman = Druid
Well, duh. :smalltongue:

Martian Manhunter = Psion
I know, I cheated. I don't know a lot about psionics, but if there's one superhero who's all about the power of the mind and such, it's the MM.


And for good measure, the Avengers. (Disclaimer: I don't read a lot of Marvel, so I might be off on my impressions of some of the characters)

Thor = Cleric
Again, strong connection to the divine. Heck, he is the divine.

Iron Man = Wizard
All those gizmos, all that inventin', all that studying. Differentiated from Batman in that he needs the suit to do all the cool stuff.

Ant Man = Rogue
But more of a combat rogue as opposed to, well, a Batman rogue. Sneak Attack, Improved Evasion, etc.

Wasp = Rogue
See above.

The Hulk = Barbarian
Uh, do I really need to explain? (But I suppose Doc Banner's a Wizard. :smalltongue:)

streakster
2008-03-22, 09:16 PM
Flash is a monk, IMO.

Nerd-o-rama
2008-03-22, 09:17 PM
The Captain: Fighter. Fighting is what they do, but they're still pretty solidly outclassed at it.
Tabitha Smith: Rogue. She's gonna steal all your stuff. And do a lot of burst damage.
Elsa Bloodstone: Ranger. Self-explanatory.
Monica Rambeau: Sorcerer. Charisma, blasting power, skill, and they still get no respect.
Aaron Stack: Artificer. They have many useful devices.

That worked surprisingly well...

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll
2008-03-22, 09:18 PM
Captain America is a fighter.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 09:28 PM
Forge is the very model of a modern major artificer.

Hadrian_Emrys
2008-03-22, 09:29 PM
Captain America is a Warblade/that pres class that throws weapons. With the PHBII feats related to shield use. :smallamused:

kpenguin
2008-03-22, 09:30 PM
Captain America's Shield probably has the "Ranged" shield ability from MIC.

Collin152
2008-03-22, 09:31 PM
Captain America's Shield probably has the "Ranged" shield ability from MIC.

Or te "Throwing" and "Returning" abilities from the DMG.

bugsysservant
2008-03-22, 09:39 PM
Big disclaimer: I only went with what Wikipedia said were the "founding members" for the Big Two teams.

My take on the Justice League, assuming I only get to pick from the base classes in the PHB:

Superman = Paladin
The Big Blue Boy Scout. Come on.

Batman = Rogue
Expert actor, detective, scientist, martial artist, etc. Sounds like the skillmonkey to me.

Wonder Woman = Cleric
Strong connection to the divine, but she doesn't seem to have as much of a do-gooder attitude to me.

Flash = Fighter
To be totally honest, I don't really know. He goes...really...fast? I guess he might be a fighter with Run and Improved Overrun and... :smalltongue:

Green Lantern = Sorcerer
The ring's effects seem to smack more of the sorcerer's "I don't really read anything, I just kind of do what comes to mind" style.

Aquaman = Druid
Well, duh. :smalltongue:

Martian Manhunter = Psion
I know, I cheated. I don't know a lot about psionics, but if there's one superhero who's all about the power of the mind and such, it's the MM.


And for good measure, the Avengers. (Disclaimer: I don't read a lot of Marvel, so I might be off on my impressions of some of the characters)

Thor = Cleric
Again, strong connection to the divine. Heck, he is the divine.

Iron Man = Wizard
All those gizmos, all that inventin', all that studying. Differentiated from Batman in that he needs the suit to do all the cool stuff.

Ant Man = Rogue
But more of a combat rogue as opposed to, well, a Batman rogue. Sneak Attack, Improved Evasion, etc.

Wasp = Rogue
See above.

The Hulk = Barbarian
Uh, do I really need to explain? (But I suppose Doc Banner's a Wizard. :smalltongue:)


Superman matches the alignment, but none of the powers. The flash would probably be a monk, because his signature ability can't be easily duplicated, if at all, by a fighter. Aquaman is a better ranger. Still have animal empathy, but you don't have spells, wildshape, or any other GOOD abilities. Iron Man is a better artificer. And specifically, the Hulk is more of a Barbarian/FB/War Hulk.

Jack_Simth
2008-03-22, 09:57 PM
Superman = Cleric

I always thought of Superman more in terms of an Elan Wilder, actually - high Charisma, a relatively small assortment of powers that he uses a lot, and the ability to shrug off a big hit. Kryptonite then takes on the role of an anti-psionic material, robing him of all his buffs.

Ashes
2008-03-22, 10:33 PM
I always thought of Superman more in terms of an Elan Wilder, actually - high Charisma, a relatively small assortment of powers that he uses a lot, and the ability to shrug off a big hit. Kryptonite then takes on the role of an anti-psionic material, robing him of all his buffs.

Elans have a penalty to Charisma.

Ascension
2008-03-22, 10:40 PM
Captain America is a Warblade/that pres class that throws weapons. With the PHBII feats related to shield use. :smallamused:

Bloodstorm Blade. And oh yeah, Cap is definitely one. Bullseye, on the other hand, is a Master Thrower.

Daredevil is a Thief-Acrobat with blindsight.

GoC
2008-03-22, 11:13 PM
OP: I disagree on The Flash. He's a character with worlds of power who uses it very very badly. Are there any classes like that?

Hadrian_Emrys
2008-03-22, 11:26 PM
OP: I disagree on The Flash. He's a character with worlds of power who uses it very very badly. Are there any classes like that?

Sounds like the philosophy that went into designing the monk class alright. :smallamused:

Jack_Simth
2008-03-22, 11:39 PM
Elans have a penalty to Charisma.
Of -2 only. Considering that at high levels, between, starting stats, level boosts, and stat-boosting items, it's not too uncommon to see scores of 25-30, that -2 isn't too bad.

Zincorium
2008-03-22, 11:53 PM
Superman - DMPC. That is all.

GammaPaladin
2008-03-23, 12:11 AM
Yeah, ability descriptions like:

"As a full-round action, at 5th level and higher, you can hurl a weapon at a foe and compel it to ricochet to other enemies before hurtling back to your waiting hand."

And:

"You become the center of a storm of steel as your thrown weapon fl ies out to strike a foe, returns to ricochet harmlessly off you, then fl ies out to attack another foe."

Pretty much clinch Captain America as a Bloodstorm Blade. That second one operates like a ranged Whirlwind Attack mechanically, btw ;)

I think he'd need to be a Swordsage though, not a Warblade, because he'd need Setting Sun maneuvers. It's been mentioned a few times that he's into Aikido, and Setting Sun fits that best.

Collin152
2008-03-23, 12:25 AM
OP: I disagree on The Flash. He's a character with worlds of power who uses it very very badly. Are there any classes like that?

Hey, I'm the one who suggested that!

Ascension
2008-03-23, 12:34 AM
This thread has got me wondering if you could throw a spiked shield with the Throw Anything feat...

Dr Bwaa
2008-03-23, 01:24 AM
Captain Planet: Ranger or Druid?

Planeteers:

Kwame: Elemental Savant (Earth)
Wheeler: Fighter/Wu Jen (Fire Specialist)
Linka: Elemental Savant (Air)
Gi: Elemental Savant (Water)
Ma-Ti: Bard

Green Bean
2008-03-23, 06:08 AM
He's a character with worlds of power who uses it very very badly.

Perhaps you think he should be a betttterrrrr heeeero? [/comics nerd humour] :smalltongue:

Jack_Simth
2008-03-23, 09:12 AM
Captain Planet: Ranger or Druid?

More of a custom Summoned Monster, I'd think. Planetar, maybe, with a home-brewed Vulnerability to pollution and a limit to regeneration (only in sunlight) similar to what a Memphit has on the fast healing.


Planeteers:

Kwame: Elemental Savant (Earth)
Wheeler: Fighter/Wu Jen (Fire Specialist)
Linka: Elemental Savant (Air)
Gi: Elemental Savant (Water)
Ma-Ti: Bard

I'd be more inclined to say "mindbender", Psion(Telepath), or Wilder for Ma-Ti - he's essentially a telepath; he's the one that handles communication.

horseboy
2008-03-23, 09:23 AM
I'd be more inclined to say "mindbender", Psion(Telepath), or Wilder for Ma-Ti - he's essentially a telepath; he's the one that handles communication.For Ma-Ti I'd go either commoner or monk.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhatKindOfLamePowerisHeartAnyway

Overlord
2008-03-23, 01:15 PM
Commoner: Gwen Stacy right before the Green Goblin tosses her off a building.

togapika
2008-03-23, 01:53 PM
Green Goblin: I'm thinking Artificer with possibly some rogue levels

JamesHowlett
2008-03-23, 05:07 PM
Black Panther would be a swordsage with a focus on shadowhand, that's for sure. And I like the Bloodstorm blade idea for Cap.

And because we might not see them otherwise:

Runaways:

LSD: Meanad Psion

Xavin: Changeling Warshaper

Victor: Warforged (Or whatever Lei was in the Dreaming Dark Trilogy) Sorcerer (?)

Molly: Human ..... I really don't know (yeah, she's a mutant but what else would she be?)

Talkback: Human Rogue

Gert: Human Druid

Sister Grimm: Human Wizard

Alex Wider: Pure, Undiluted Evil :smallamused:

F.H. Zebedee
2008-03-23, 07:17 PM
Wouldn't Alex Wilder be a Spell Thief or something like that? Something that steals the powers of other classes.

Molly might be a Hulking Hurler or something broken like that. She did beat the crap out of Wolverine, after all.

Hyfigh
2008-03-24, 10:56 AM
The Char-Op boards has a Digital Character Recreation thread (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=424838). This thread is more for a literal translation of the character + their abilities into D&D mechanics with the resouces available. This means, for the thread, batman =/= wizard, but a rogue instead. Just gonna put that out there for any interested.

I do have to agree, though, that given Batmans ability to win whenever prepaired and still win most of the time when not fully prepared he is at minimum some type of gish.

Telonius
2008-03-24, 11:34 AM
Superman: polymorphed Solar.
Aquaman: Druid who didn't take Natural Spell.
Firestorm: Warlock.

Blue Paladin
2008-03-24, 12:36 PM
GoC already knows how I feel about this one from the Comics forum...

Flash has no D&D analogue; he's far too powerful. In D&D terms, he has a no-SR, no-save, no-way-to-defend-against ability to take away your actions. Yes, even your free actions. Immediate and swift too. He gets all those actions instead. In addition, his base movement is 1,180,342,865' (that should be slightly below lightspeed); his "5-foot adjustment" should probably be at least the speed of sound: 1,261'. And if he decides to "push" himself, he can get much much faster.

It's like he lives in a perpetual Time Stop without the restrictions.

Did I mention the (Ex) Plane Shift ability yet? How about (Ex) Time Travel?

Sorry, this happened and made me post a reply:

Firestorm: Warlock.Warlock? Warlock? The man can change reality at the molecular level on a whim, and he's a warlock?

Burley
2008-03-24, 01:47 PM
If anybody is a Warlock, it's the Green Lantern. He has awesome powers, but gets them from an outside source. And, if he ticks off the outside source, he loses his powers. Plus, a warlock's blast (and invocations) green, and he's the lantern.

Why hasn't anybody said anything about Wolverine=Barbarian? C'mon, people... They are one and the same! Except for the fast healing bit...

bibliophile
2008-03-24, 01:49 PM
superman: paladin/ barbarian a boy scout who is way tougher than anyone else

aquaman: merfolk ranger

Spiderman: fighter with ranks in craft(alchemy) remember, he made his web stuff, which is stronger than steel, incredibly strechty and nearly unbreakable, out of a chemistry science kit.

Jason Blood/Etrigan: acylote of the skin?

Ascension
2008-03-24, 01:51 PM
No, no, no, Spiderman is definitely a rogue or swashbuckler. He's far too witty to be a fighter.

Hadrian_Emrys
2008-03-24, 03:25 PM
No, no, no, Spiderman is definitely a rogue or swashbuckler. He's far too witty to be a fighter.

A rogue/swashbuckler with that PHBII feat and those grappling rods from CoSc. :smallamused:

GoC
2008-03-24, 04:24 PM
GoC already knows how I feel about this one from the Comics forum...

Flash has no D&D analogue; he's far too powerful. In D&D terms, he has a no-SR, no-save, no-way-to-defend-against ability to take away your actions. Yes, even your free actions. Immediate and swift too. He gets all those actions instead. In addition, his base movement is 1,180,342,865' (that should be slightly below lightspeed); his "5-foot adjustment" should probably be at least the speed of sound: 1,261'. And if he decides to "push" himself, he can get much much faster.

It's like he lives in a perpetual Time Stop without the restrictions.

Did I mention the (Ex) Plane Shift ability yet? How about (Ex) Time Travel?
He also has 1,000,000 actions per round and a "you can't hit me. ever." ability.


Perhaps you think he should be a betttterrrrr heeeero? [/comics nerd humour] :smalltongue:
I don't get the reference.:smallredface:

Solo
2008-03-24, 04:25 PM
He also has 1,000,000 actions per round and a "you can't hit me. ever." ability.



So how does he ever manage to lose?

horseboy
2008-03-24, 04:29 PM
So how does he ever manage to lose?
Because he's a Roleplayer, not a Rollplayer. [/sarcasm] :smallamused:

Indon
2008-03-24, 04:51 PM
Flash has no D&D analogue; he's far too powerful. In D&D terms, he has a no-SR, no-save, no-way-to-defend-against ability to take away your actions. Yes, even your free actions. Immediate and swift too. He gets all those actions instead. In addition, his base movement is 1,180,342,865' (that should be slightly below lightspeed); his "5-foot adjustment" should probably be at least the speed of sound: 1,261'. And if he decides to "push" himself, he can get much much faster.

It's like he lives in a perpetual Time Stop without the restrictions.

Did I mention the (Ex) Plane Shift ability yet? How about (Ex) Time Travel?

And yet, only the Monk has in common with Flash the ability to kill an opponent through molecular vibration.

A lot of superheroes have abilities that would be clearly epic and/or houseruled- The Flash is a monk with homebrewed epic abilities associated with his speed. (And considering the Flash has increased in power over time, well)

And The Doctor is not a sorceror. He is a Factotum.

Blue Paladin
2008-03-25, 11:41 AM
By that reasoning, Martian Manhunter and Vision also have Quivering Palm. Also none of the three (Flash, MM, Viz) can delay their Touch of Death by two weeks and more the way the everyday Monk can.

If you persist in this madness, consider that the Epic Monk's movement bonus increases every 3 levels. If he spends every Epic Feat on Epic Speed, he's still (at a minimum) level 90 million.

That's a lot of hit points. (Let alone everything else that goes wrong with the system at that point...)


So how does he ever manage to lose?As GoC said, by using his powers badly (i.e. bad writing).

Indon
2008-03-25, 11:46 AM
By that reasoning, Martian Manhunter and Vision also have Quivering Palm.
I dunno about the Vision, but Martian Manhunter cheats.


Also none of the three (Flash, MM, Viz) can delay their Touch of Death by two weeks and more the way the everyday Monk can.
And Squirrel Girl doesn't have an animal companion (She's a Ranger, methinks). We're obviously working with approximations here.


If you persist in this madness, consider that the Epic Monk's movement bonus increases every 3 levels. If he spends every Epic Feat on Epic Speed, he's still (at a minimum) level 90 million.
Just pretend I made a comment that combines two internet memes into a single nontopical response.

GoC
2008-03-25, 05:52 PM
So how does he ever manage to lose?

He has an int of 4 and every DM in the universe hates him.

Collin152
2008-03-25, 06:02 PM
So how does he ever manage to lose?

Superman ran faster than him, and crushed his self esteem. He never runs at full blast anymore.
Like Iceman.

Dervag
2008-03-25, 06:08 PM
So how does he ever manage to lose?Because he doesn't always react with superhuman speed. It seems to be a power he has to deliberately call on, consciously or subconsciously. If you sneak up behind him and whump him with a club while he's standing still, his super speed will not save him.

Also, it is still possible to trap him- for instance, to trick him into opening a package that contains a bomb. Now, realistically, at full speed he could turn and flee the explosion, outrunning shock wave and shrapnel alike. But he couldn't save his surroundings from the bomb, and he'd have to be deliberately 'speeding' for it to work in any case. He doesn't seem to reliably call on his superspeed instantly, unless I am mistaken.

Also, he often doesn't know what to do in a given situation, and so cannot employ his superspeed tactically. Or he's dealing with opponents who are simply not vulnerable to him- if he's fighting someone with the kind of invulnerability displayed by Superman, he can't hurt them no matter how fast he moves. At least, I don't think he's ever exhibited the ability to deliver hypersonic punches that could crush tanks or anything like that.

Hyfigh
2008-03-26, 07:58 AM
So perhaps the Flash more resembles a reflavored Swiftblade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327) than a monk? Or perhaps a Swiftblade with monk involved?

Sebastian
2008-03-26, 09:06 AM
"Fortunatley I brought my carasouel reversal spray"
"I'd probably have some kind of Anti Missile device. On my belt."
"I'm batman. I can breathe in space."

And let's not forget the classical bat shark-repellent.

Sebastian
2008-03-26, 09:15 AM
No, no, no, Spiderman is definitely a rogue or swashbuckler. He's far too witty to be a fighter.

He is just an Expert with the spidertouched template. :)

streakster
2008-03-26, 03:40 PM
Indon: I meant The Doctor from the Authority. Not Doctor Who - who I agree is a perfect factotum.