The Melancholy of Haruki Suzumiya (sic)

[Artemician]

Prepare the bunkers, gentlemen! The apocalypse has arrived!

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Probably those who want to know already do know, but for the benefit of those who don't, I'm referring to one of the most epic projects that has ever graced the interwebs. I'm referring to the Melancholy of Haruki Suzumiya, or as some peopel call it, The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya. The project involves the genderbending of every.single.character in the Suzumiya Haruhi franchise. Yes, every one, even the titular Haruhi.

It was brought up in the main thread, but I think it's popular enough to warrant it's own thread, dont'cha think? :smallwink:

Haruhi -> Haruki
Yuki -> Yuuki
Mikuru -> Mitsuuru/Minoru

Kyon -> Kyonko
Itsuki -> Itsuko

Animesuki Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=63152)
Baka-Tsuki Translation Project (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruki_no_Seitenkan)

Piccies!

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Thoughts, gentlemen (and token Lady)? I'll refrain from posting mine for the moment, I need to gather them.

[hanzo66]

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This is what I feel...

[Rutee]

Hi, I'm Rutee, and I approve of this message ^.^

So this is a huge doujin project then?

[Artemician]

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This is what I feel...

Well I dunno.. it's actually quite interesting IMO. I find Haruki to be a much more interesting character than Haruhi, and Mitsuuru is....

Not to mention Kyonko makes me insecure in my masculinity.

It's quite funny, the way simply changing someone's gender makes you see things differently. Maybe I'm just a closet sexist :smalleek:


Hi, I'm Rutee, and I approve of this message ^.^

So this is a huge doujin project then?

IIRC, it started with some 4-komas. Then people saw them, liked them, and translated them. Then a thread was created. And the madness spread.

There are rewritten chapters of the light novel (aforementioned Baka-Tsuki, voice remixes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGLpQfdTkGM&NR=1), loads and loads of pics (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LV2QUO6O) and tonnes of other disturbing stuff besides.

[Rutee]

Why's Haruki better then Haruhi? Aren't they about the same?

Would Kyonko become the new Moeblob? Also she's cute, so why the masculinity problems? :3

[Artemician]

Why's Haruki better then Haruhi? Aren't they about the same?

Would Kyonko become the new Moeblob? Also she's cute, so why the masculinity problems? :3

I find Haruki funnier. Especially with lines like these:


"See how weak he is?" Haruki declared. "See how easily he's defeated? What he needs is guts! Guts and courage! If you have those, then you'll never be beaten, but if you lack them, then you'll never amount to anything! You won't be worthy of being called a man!"
...
Haruki grasped the air with his fist “Therefore, this will be our club’s first project! To turn this runty weakling, this non-man, into a man to be envied by all! A man among men!”


"I've heard about a certain group of girls who are totally into some really nasty, forbidden-in-school stuff. They even produce their own doujinshi manga to sell at Comiket, the major part of it all using a very public school club fund..."
...
“Here’s how this is going to go down. You’re going to give us a computer, and I won’t tell anyone that you’re making gay porn manga with the school’s money.”

I really like the GAR thing they've got going.

Mitsuuru remains the loliblob. Or should I say shotablob. Whatever. The aim is not to change the personalities overmuch, except when absolutely necessary (see Haruki and GAR). It's quite quite interesting how they managed to do some scenes (the Bunnygirl outfit became a Chippendale suit) and sometimes it's a source of hilarity in itself.

[Rutee]

Well, sounds like a transplant of Daigouji Gai (I won't be reading it for now, so).

That just means that you like SUPA ROBOTU better then jerkass, IMO.

[Artemician]

Well, sounds like a transplant of Daigouji Gai (I won't be reading it for now, so).

I've read it, and there's quite a bit more going than that. It really makes you see the work in a new light.

Haruki's exuberance and hot-bloodedness, which I find misfitting in Haruhi, somehow manage to fit perfectly in a guy. Mitsuuru is just plain even more adorable than Mikuru, but the HoYay scenes suddenly become extremely repulsive. Yuuki goes from 'Cute Quiet Girl' to 'Closet Badass'. Itsuko has this really, really strange thing going on with Kyonko that you realize was present in Itsuki all along but you just didn't want to notice. Kyonko goes from Wisecracking Wise Guy to Tsundere-Daria.

It's quite amazing how much a simple change in gender also changes your views on a lot of things. Are we actually non-sexist, when you think about it?


That just means that you like SUPA ROBOTU better then jerkass, IMO.

You got that right.

[Rutee]

If they're acting the same, but a gender change casts them in a completely different light (Particularly if Haruki acts /the exact same way/), then yes, there's some sexism. I imagine there's more then we'd like to admit, so I'm not casting any real judgement on you as a person for it.

[Frosty]

I find the concept of Kyonko to be Hot Beyond All Belief (I think I'll coin a new term...yes...HBAB is my new term!) because her sarcasm and commentary combined in a girl's body just makes me wanna go *squee* and I think only girls normally squee.

To be honest, Genki-girl Haruhi worked for me really well, but I'll definitely give Haruki a chance. I've gotta ask though...how will Haruki keep from getting himself arrested for sexual assault? Seriously! And Koizumi as a girl...yeah, he should've been a girl to begin with. Fits Koizumi better.

[Sensate]

A friend of mine showed me a pic of this a while ago - I thought it was merely a nice edit, I didn't realize this has gone so far. Now that I look at it, this does
seem like it could be a lot of fun (though I'm a bit of a purist and I don't generally approve mocking of the series I love in any way). I'll definitely look into the matter ;).



To be honest, Genki-girl Haruhi worked for me really well, but I'll definitely give Haruki a chance. I've gotta ask though...how will Haruki keep from getting himself arrested for sexual assault? Seriously! And Koizumi as a girl...yeah, he should've been a girl to begin with. Fits Koizumi better.

I agree on both points. Frankly, although it may be just as fun, the whole concept of "Haruki" doesn't feel right - I'd say a great deal of Haruhi's charm comes from the fact that such a pretty and seemingly normal girl is quite the opposite of what you'd expect, a ruthless dictator. Although it is true that Haruhi has more of a male personality, she's more fun as a girl.

[Attilargh]

Heh, this was awesome back when I found it (i.e. when I grabbed that first pick for my desktop) and now it's even more so. Those redubs of the songs are especially cool, and this thing's finally gotten me into reading the novel. I'm sure I'll rue that decision soon enough, but whatever.

Also, Yuuki Kyonko's hot.


I have this weird feeling like I can see into the future... Oh God, I'll still be single when the new season airs. :smallfrown: But at least there'll be a genderbending episode. No, really. I'm positive this thing is too big for them to ignore. La la la, I can't hear you...

[kamikasei]

Itsuko has this really, really strange thing going on with Kyonko that you realize was present in Itsuki all along but you just didn't want to notice.

Hah! I beg to differ.

[Tengu]

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This is what I feel...

I agree with you for once. And, because I apparently possess masochistic tendencies, I will probably continue reading this thread and twitch with every new substantial post.

[Fri]

This thread really give me some new light toward the melancholy of haruhi suzumiya. When we changed the gender, we see the character with a really different light.

As someone above me said, and I agree.

Haruhi->Gar?
Kyon->Tsundere (abso-freakin-lutely fabulous)
Yuki-> Closet Badass

[Nerd-o-rama]

Yuki's always been a closet badass. It's just she's gone from Stoic Cute Bruiser to Stoic Bishonen.

I hadn't realized that Baka-Tsuki had rewritten versions of this. I'll have to look them up. Although god knows I discovered plenty of GB Haruhi pics in general.

And yeah, it's kind of scary how appealing Kyonko is. The attitude I admire in a man is one that I admire and find attractive in a woman I suppose.

[Terraoblivion]

As a fan project i wholly approve for a variety of reasons, the most important being how cute Kyonko is. Also it makes Itsuki's possible attraction to Kyon much more appealing to have them transgendered. Though i wouldn't mind if it had only been those two who had been shifted, well possibly Haruhi as well to make it fit. Just find it a bit of a shame to have Yuki changed.

Also it seems like it is quite a quality product in terms of drawing and the like for something fanmade like this.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I have this weird feeling like I can see into the future... Oh God, I'll still be single when the new season airs. :smallfrown: But at least there'll be a genderbending episode. No, really. I'm positive this thing is too big for them to ignore. La la la, I can't hear you...
Hey, I missed this. So...this will be next season's "Someday In The Rain"? But how will they do it justice in 22 minutes of cute but obvious filler?

[Gorbash Kazdar]

I am ashamed to admit, but I have more Kyon-ko images in my SHnY folder than any other :smallredface:

Of course, I also just discovered today why that grabbed hold of me and wouldn't let go (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ZettaiRyouiki)...

In any case, I personally prefer the variant with only Kyon and Itsuki shifted overall. :smallwink:

[Frosty]

I am ashamed to admit, but I have more Kyon-ko images in my SHnY folder than any other :smallredface:

In any case, I personally prefer the variant with only Kyon and Itsuki shifted overall. :smallwink:

So...you prefer a version of the show with *all* the main characters are female?

[Nerd-o-rama]

So...you prefer a version of the show with *all* the main characters are female?
Is there something wrong with that?

[Frosty]

Nothing, but sometimes there is lots of fun to be had with interaction between different genders. I guess an Amazon bridage could be fun...

[Nerd-o-rama]

Oh, the personalities are probably more important than gender roles here. Really, it'd just tune the genre a little toward shoujo-ai from more generic school life stuff. I'd still watch, and still not just for the fanservice.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Oh, the personalities are probably more important than gender roles here. Really, it'd just tune the genre a little toward shoujo-ai from more generic school life stuff. I'd still watch, and still not just for the fanservice.
Seconded. There's a reason /u/ is the most civilized board on 4chan. Er, or so I've heard :smallwink:

I went through about 20 different image replies to Frosty's post, but there was nary a one I could post that I wouldn't have had to immediately scrub and issue myself an Infraction for :smalltongue:

[Rutee]

I wouldn't mind if Itsuki, HAruhi, and Mikuru were gender shifted and they made that a new shoujo-version of Suzuhara. Mitsuru is so much more /cute/ then Mikuru, I can't see keeping her. Main problem is that Kyonko is fundamentally the same character design as Haruhi. :P

Also /u/ is weird in a good way. I expected all hentai but it's like it's an even split of cute and naughty.

[Terraoblivion]

But Kyonko is cute so it doesn't matter. More honestly though it would be fun to see the series with a greater degree of shoujo-ai. Then again i have a really solid preference for girls, so i am hardly an objective observer here. But really when you get right down to it, what is the purpose of men?:smallwink:

[Infinity_Biscuit]

Heh, I just found the Animesuki thread yesterday from another site and am currently on the 53rd page of it.

My intere obsession with this is scaring me.

[Frosty]

Seconded. There's a reason /u/ is the most civilized board on 4chan. Er, or so I've heard :smallwink:

I went through about 20 different image replies to Frosty's post, but there was nary a one I could post that I wouldn't have had to immediately scrub and issue myself an Infraction for :smalltongue:

Well, you can PM it to me. I wouldn't mind :smalltongue:

What exactly is 4chan anyways? An image board? What does /u/ stand for?

[Rutee]

But Kyonko is cute so it doesn't matter. More honestly though it would be fun to see the series with a greater degree of shoujo-ai. Then again i have a really solid preference for girls, so i am hardly an objective observer here. But really when you get right down to it, what is the purpose of men?:smallwink:

To be fair to Men, the process that allows two women to bear kids on their own isn't cheap enough to distribute to everyone.

...Yet :P

In seriousness, I wouldn't mind shoujo or shounen ai, as long as it was handled.. you know, cutely and respectfully. That's pretty much my barometer for romance. Is it either Cute or Epic? If yes, then is it handled in a sufficiently interesting way? If yes then yay.

Also Kannazuki no Miko is a love story I think you'll dig, if you can keep watching after Episode 7 (Beeg hueg tragedy that can cause people to stop watching altogether)

[bluish_wolf]

Well, you can PM it to me. I wouldn't mind :smalltongue:

What exactly is 4chan anyways? An image board? What does /u/ stand for?

4chan is basically an English version of 2chan. In other words, it's an anonymous image board. u is short for yuri, which is a Japanese term for romance between two females.

[Terraoblivion]

Sounds like something that might be worth looking into, Rutee. I like good love stories, even as i hate bad ones. Of course i hate bad everything, but still. Also the genders of those paired are actually secondary, despite my joking around. I mean i have an easier time identifying with a pairing of two girls, but that doesn't mean it is a must for me by any means.

And 4-chan is the cesspool of the internet, Frosty. And of course like many cesspools quite a lot of reactions happen there and much energy is released, but it doesn't change that it is inherently extremely filthy.

[kamikasei]

What exactly is 4chan anyways? An image board? What does /u/ stand for?

May I touch you? I wish to share some part of your innocence, as though you were a relic, or holy man.

[Rutee]

The thought never occurred to me that we were ruining the poor child.. hm. Clearly we should keep Frosty pure!

[Nerd-o-rama]

There's a few islands of sanity in 4chan, like /m/ (sometimes). Just, for the love of all that's holy, never, ever go to /b/ (Random). You should also probably avoid most of the pornographic boards, since 4chan tends toward the horrific there. And /a/nime is full of h/a/te.

[Terraoblivion]

Hmmm...how do we ensure that Frosty never gets truly subjected to 4-chan? Bodyguards to keep any 4-chan pushers away?

[Rutee]

And prollynever link other image boards to him (3 occur to me offhand, but saying them would be the same thing)...

Of course it's the internet, so one must question the futility..

[Infinity_Biscuit]

Of course it's the internet, so one must question the futility..
Futile or not, the quest is noble enough that it must be attempted.

[Terraoblivion]

It is of course futile to try to prevent it, Rutee...which is why we have to try. It is not only a noble deed, but it is a noble and futile deed. Doing that is supposedly the mark of a hero and who doesn't want to be a hero?

[Frosty]

But...but...I need more images for my next song-dub. Where will I go for my image-needs? I'm more than half-done dubbing "God Knows" in English (I just need to do harmony) and I need some cool stills to go with it (probably some from the concert episode).

Do I want to know what /a/ /b/ and /m/ stand for?

And what about this other place I heard of called danbooru something or another?

[Closet_Skeleton]

It's quite amazing how much a simple change in gender also changes your views on a lot of things. Are we actually non-sexist, when you think about it?

I prefer to make a distinction between Sexism (a belief that genders should be treated differantly) and perception biases. I don't hold any concious beliefs about gender or race but my perceptions are incredibly biased.


I find the concept of Kyonko to be Hot Beyond All Belief (I think I'll coin a new term...yes...HBAB is my new term!) because her sarcasm and commentary combined in a girl's body just makes me wanna go *squee* and I think only girls normally squee.

Since Kyon is the everyman the audience is supposed to identify with, this may just be the standard male fantasy (forgive me if you aren't male), that if one was a woman instead you'd be a beautiful one.

Or I could just stop thinking and learn to love LesYay...


But really when you get right down to it, what is the purpose of men?:smallwink:

Generally it's dying in wars and getting women pregnant. You could just clone women but you'd still need cannon fodder.


Is there something wrong with that?

Yes, though it may be something wrong with the boringness of male characters in media than you being perverted. I'm not sure on that however.


Also Kannazuki no Miko is a love story I think you'll dig, if you can keep watching after Episode 7 (Beeg hueg tragedy that can cause people to stop watching altogether)

I'd probably like that show a lot better if it had more quality to it. Not that I don't watch crap all the time.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Futile or not, the quest is noble enough that it must be attempted.
Seconded.


There's a few islands of sanity in 4chan, like /m/ (sometimes). Just, for the love of all that's holy, never, ever go to /b/ (Random). You should also probably avoid most of the pornographic boards, since 4chan tends toward the horrific there. And /a/nime is full of h/a/te.
And /tg/ is the epicenter of pointless NERD RAGE. Though, each board has its moments of epic win... except /r/, of course.


It is of course futile to try to prevent it, Rutee...which is why we have to try. It is not only a noble deed, but it is a noble and futile deed. Doing that is supposedly the mark of a hero and who doesn't want to be a hero?
Just so long as no-one becomes an hero :smalltongue:

Anyways, to get back to on topic, if anyone's looking for SHnY gender-swap images, Danbooru is definitely a good place to start. Last I was on, there were 640+ images under the correct tags, with more being added regularly (in fact, most of the recent stuff under the main haruhi tag comes up as GS material).

I think the GS material is very interesting, given how thoroughly it has inflitrated the SHnY fandom in such a short time. It's a pretty good example of a viral idea, I think. In the end, I still prefer the characters under their normal guises. In particular, a major reason I love the series is for Haruhi herself - to me, she's a unique character. She's fiery, opinionated, and ambitious, and unlike how many other similar female characters are portrayed, it seems to me her having these traits isn't presented as negative, it's how she channels them that can be a problem. Switch these same characteristics over to a male character, and it just doesn't grab me the same way - they aren't as unexpected.

[bluish_wolf]

But...but...I need more images for my next song-dub. Where will I go for my image-needs? I'm more than half-done dubbing "God Knows" in English (I just need to do harmony) and I need some cool stills to go with it (probably some from the concert episode).

Do I want to know what /a/ /b/ and /m/ stand for?

And what about this other place I heard of called danbooru something or another?

/a/ = anime and manga
/b/ = random. I have no clue why it's b and not r
/m/ = mecha

/c/ is also a decent one. (cute)

Danbooru is like 4chan, except better, if you ask me, since you can blacklist tags you don't like. For instance, I have adult, cleavage, huge_breasts, guro, plump, photo, futanari, yaoi, death, amputee, what, and novelty_death blacklisted on my account. It's also more heavily moderated.

[Poison_Fish]

There's a few islands of sanity in 4chan, like /m/ (sometimes). Just, for the love of all that's holy, never, ever go to /b/ (Random). You should also probably avoid most of the pornographic boards, since 4chan tends toward the horrific there. And /a/nime is full of h/a/te.

Remember when /a/ was good?

Oh wait..


And /tg/ is the epicenter of pointless NERD RAGE. Though, each board has its moments of epic win... except /r/, of course.

So much NERD RAGE... and so much For the Emperor and WAAAGH!! there..

but not all of us fa/tg/uys and ca/tg/irls are part of the nerd rage.

well.. at least some of us aren't, <_<.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Danbooru is like 4chan, except better, if you ask me, since you can blacklist tags you don't like. For instance, I have adult, cleavage, huge_breasts, guro, plump, photo, futanari, yaoi, death, amputee, what, and novelty_death blacklisted on my account. It's also more heavily moderated.
Here's a link for danbooru. (http://danbooru.donmai.us) There is NSFW content to be found there, so be careful with your searches until you have your blacklists set up properly, as bluish_wolf mentions.

[Terraoblivion]

Haruhi has got to be female. It is a large part of her appeal as a character for the very reasons Gorbash states. It is just liberating to see an anime where a girl who is definitely not going to morph into a Yamato Nadeshiko (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YamatoNadeshiko) the moment they are in a relationship, but is in fact strong and independent through-out it. If she were male she would at best just be completely crazy and hyperactive and at worst just be a simple bully, both of which are much less interesting than her being a strong, independent if completely neurotic girl.

The other characters can more easily be changed, though ultimately they work best the way they are. I like Kyonko solely for the fan service she promises the depths of my mind, but ultimately i think Kyon is best just the way he is. In the anime at least, the voice actor did a good job adding personality to the already great lines.

As for the 4-chan conversation i think that random is called /b/ is exactly because it is random. Picking /r/ would not be random, but entirely logical, whereas picking /b/ is quite random as there is no point in why it should be /b/.

[Frosty]

Since Kyon is the everyman the audience is supposed to identify with, this may just be the standard male fantasy (forgive me if you aren't male), that if one was a woman instead you'd be a beautiful one.

Or I could just stop thinking and learn to love LesYay.

Go LesYay! But seriously, it's less that I want to *be* Kyonko than date someone like Kyonko. I mean, I wouldn't want to date Asahina-san because she's a pushover. I'd be ok with dating Haruhi, but for a normal relationship...Kyonko no questions asked.

[Frosty]

Haruhi has got to be female. It is a large part of her appeal as a character for the very reasons Gorbash states.

Agreed. The whole genders-wapping fiction needs to keep Haruhi and swap everyone else.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Go LesYay! But seriously, it's less that I want to *be* Kyonko than date someone like Kyonko. I mean, I wouldn't want to date Asahina-san because she's a pushover. I'd be ok with dating Haruhi, but for a normal relationship...Kyonko no questions asked.

If you met a girl that you could be described as "you but with boobs" would you want to date her? I'd probably want to date her at first and then quickly find out how annoying my attitude really is. Anyway, my point was that it isn't that uncommon as a fantasy if your narcistic (can you have narcism about mental as well as physical attractiveness?).


Agreed. The whole genders-wapping fiction needs to keep Haruhi and swap everyone else.

Since you're making 2 female characters male and 2 male characters female, leaving the odd one out alone would be acceptable. But then again making a character that only works as one gender into another gender can be an interesting challenge.

[Frosty]

I dunno if I'd want to date *me* with boobs. But what I've seen of Kyonko so far appeals to me. Sarcastic yet laid back...and probably sweet once you get to know her.

[Nerd-o-rama]

But...but...I need more images for my next song-dub. Where will I go for my image-needs? I'm more than half-done dubbing "God Knows" in English (I just need to do harmony) and I need some cool stills to go with it (probably some from the concert episode).
While 4chan is called an "image board", its purpose is not artwork, but rather, a massive set of mostly unmoderated forums where people hang out argue about things and make complete asses of themselves. There are threads dedicated to particular kinds of imagery (especially on boards that aren't /b/), and the technology is based around attaching images to posts to quickly share them, but mostly, people just bitch and/or perpetuate memes and/or post really really horrible images.

Effectively, it's a forum dedicated to trolling. And 99% of it isn't the funny kind of trolling, either.


Back on topic, regarding Kyonko...the thing is, since Kyon's already a lot like me (see signature) but with the jadedness and pessimism dialed up to 11, it kinda would be like dating me with boobs (and tsundereness). I think in my case I'd find the attitude attractive as hell, but a relationship wouldn't really go anywhere. Call me a narcissist if you must, this subject of thought has already made me far more uncomfortable than your insults will.

[Rutee]

I met "Me without boobs". Totally dateable. He's just taken. Still a good friend of mine though.

[Frosty]

How can a forum dedicated to trolling continue to function? Hell, who funds them?

[Nerd-o-rama]

That's something I've been wondering for a while. Perhaps moot (the supposed admin) extorts protection money from other forums?

[Frosty]

They have admins there?

[Nerd-o-rama]

They have a man who owns the servers and updates the HTML occasionally. They even have mods in the sections with actual topics, mostly to temp-ban people who post too much content that belongs in a different section. Oh, and CP. 4chan is pretty much anarchy, but they don't want to get shut down by the feds.

You know what? WikiChan (http://www.wikichan.org/index.php/Main_Page) has plenty of information on Image Boards and the horrors they have spawned. This isn't as scary as the real thing, but nonetheless read at your own risk. This site has offensive language, but I think the images are all okay.

[Frosty]

I can't currently access the page. My work blocks some pages that may be inappropriate. For this page...Reason: The Websense category "Sex" is filtered.

Should I be worried about Wikichan?

[kamikasei]

I met "Me without boobs".

Based on other threads I could go for the obvious here and point out that that's just Konata (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Pettanko?from=Main.DFC)... but of course I am above such low humour.

[Frosty]

Are you implying that Rutee is an otaku?

[Nerd-o-rama]

I can't currently access the page. My work blocks some pages that may be inappropriate. For this page...Reason: The Websense category "Sex" is filtered.

Should I be worried about Wikichan?Sigh. It's all language.

Just...trust us. 4chan is hell. It's not even funny, entertaining hell except for the stuff that shows up elsewhere anyway.

And what's with anime threads and not being able to stay on-topic, anyhow? Seriously.

[Terraoblivion]

Rutee? An otaku? Don't be silly. There is no one more innocent of Japanese entertainment than her as the choice of threads for her to participate in clearly attests.

And i wouldn't know if "me without boobs" or "other me with boobs" would be dateable as i have never really encountered anybody who reminded me that much of myself. Then again it might just be because i am too confused about who i actually am.

[kamikasei]

Are you implying that Rutee is an otaku?

Heavens no. I'm saying she's short.

Wait, that's not right...

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Sigh. It's all language.

Just...trust us. 4chan is hell. It's not even funny, entertaining hell except for the stuff that shows up elsewhere anyway.
Hey, 4chan isn't that bad! It's worse.
Besides Wikichan, the Lurkmore Wiki (www.lurkmore.com/wiki) is pretty good for covering *chan related stuff.


And what's with anime threads and not being able to stay on-topic, anyhow? Seriously.
Setting up a generic anime thread is seeming to be a better and better idea.

In any case, the "me with(out) boobs" thing is somewhat on topic, as Kyonko appears to be the kind of girl Kyon would get on with well (well, if Kyonko wasn't as much of a pettanko, though that's not much of a barrier).

After all, Kyon would agree with this:
http://www.gorbashkazdar.com/demotivators/Ponytails.PNG

[Rutee]

Heavens no. I'm saying she's short.

Wait, that's not right...

*Smirks*

I think 4chan isn't bad. It's necessary. It's impure, sure, Bad would imply we don't need it. 4chan is the source of the intertubez' memes. Where would we be if we couldn't be OVER NINE THOUSAND. Or on a series of tubes at all? (I'm absolutely certain that the governor who made that 'gaffe' was actually pulling off the most brilliant meta-trolling in all of existence)

That said it's NSFB. And Frosty is too pure to hang out on it.

As to With/Without boobs it followed acceptable conversational drift, I'd say. I think Kyon wouldn't like Kyonko; He's got some pretty heavy preconceived notions of women, and Kyonko would shatter them into the dust.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Personally, I think Kyon would just be very, very confused by Kyonko. Like he is by women in general, but even more so.

[Rogue 7]

Just like in anatomy, the bowels of the internet perform a necessary function. A) you get all the cool memes, and B) you get to put all the major demonspawn of the internet in one happy place where they just bounce off each other and occasionally escape.

[Terraoblivion]

Ah, so you mean that 4-chan is a sort of internet Malfeas or Baator? Not a bad description actually. It does have a lot of creative energy to create things that brings internet geeks together in a true subculture though, so it definitely is worth to keep around.

[Rogue 7]

I've heard many of the memes that spawn off of 4chan, largely through TVTropes and my perusal of the epic RPG motivator thread over at RPG.net (honestly the only bit of that site I've read), but it has never spawned in me a desire to visit the site. More a compulsive desire to avoid it. I appreciate the function it performs, but I have neither inclination or desire to discover how it goes about these functions. So, yes, keep it, but, keep it far, far away from me.

[Frosty]

*Smirks*
That said it's NSFB. And Frosty is too pure to hang out on it.

As to With/Without boobs it followed acceptable conversational drift, I'd say. I think Kyon wouldn't like Kyonko; He's got some pretty heavy preconceived notions of women, and Kyonko would shatter them into the dust.

*must...resist...urge...to...google...4chan* Well, as long as you guys keep me entertained, I won't go there :smallbiggrin:

Anyhow, what would you say Kyon's notions of women are? Imean, he's surrounded aby all different sorts of women. He's attracted to both Asahina-san and Haruhi, two wildly-different personality types. If a Kyonko joined the SOS Brigade, Kyonw ould probably be relieved to see another voice of reason within the group.

[Rutee]

Hm, he may accept her for her reason, but bear in mind he never accepts what Haruhi and Yuki are like as being 'normal girls'. So she'd combination freak him out and comfort him, probably. This of course, leads to sex. Wait, what?

Also, One nifty little meme. (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j227/RuteeKatreya/OptimusChrist.jpg)

WWOCD?

[Terraoblivion]

I would much rather join a religion centered on Optimus Prime than on Jesus.

Also it is a well-established fact that comforting and calming people down leads to sex. Just ask any tv show or movie out there...The only reason Kyon and Haruhi didn't get that far is because they were shunted back to the real world.

[Frosty]

How do you think their first time meeting would be, if someone with Kyonko's personality and possessing a similar moe-ness/figure (but not recognizable as Kyon, because Kyon doesn't want to date someone that could look like his sister) and Kyon actually met?

I am now strangely inspired to want to write a fanfic based on this.

[Infinity_Biscuit]

4chan is the source of the intertubez' memes. Where would we be if we couldn't be OVER NINE THOUSAND.
On an Internet where people made jokes to be funny rather than parroting half-liners?
:smalltongue:

...sorry, just not a fan of the "meme" kind of humor, personally.

Anyway, Kyon only seems to admit to himself interest in Mikuru out of all the girls he deals with (I think there are hints of interest in Nagato in the novels, but I haven't read too much of those for fear of spoiling season two). If he ever interacted with female Kyon, I don't think either of them would notice their attraction to each other even if it was there.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

How do you think their first time meeting would be, if someone with Kyonko's personality and possessing a similar moe-ness/figure (but not recognizable as Kyon, because Kyon doesn't want to date someone that could look like his sister) and Kyon actually met?

I am now strangely inspired to want to write a fanfic based on this.
I can just about guarantee that this is out there somewhere already by now. I'd go prove it, but... I'm afraid to look...


Anyway, Kyon only seems to admit to himself interest in Mikuru out of all the girls he deals with (I think there are hints of interest in Nagato in the novels, but I haven't read too much of those for fear of spoiling season two). If he ever interacted with female Kyon, I don't think either of them would notice their attraction to each other even if it was there.
I think, rather, it would be that neither would admit it to themselves or others - Kyon's dimness regarding his feelings for Haruhi may be more of a case of unreliable narration than anything else.

And, am I the only actual /b/tard here? :smallconfused:

[Fri]

You realized, that Haruhi could easily make this the next universe? Just reminding...

Btw, 4chan isn't that bad. /m/ is awesome.

[Rutee]

And, am I the only actual /b/tard here? :smallconfused:

Poison Fish and Illiterate Scribe cruise it regularly, and I see quite a bit of it (Filtered through Me-Without-Boobs). But you're the only one /in this thread/ yesh.

[Infinity_Biscuit]

I think, rather, it would be that neither would admit it to themselves or others - Kyon's dimness regarding his feelings for Haruhi may be more of a case of unreliable narration than anything else.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Kyon's not enough of a blob of moe that, er... Kyon would be willing to admit falling for, no matter what the truth is.

[Frosty]

I can just about guarantee that this is out there somewhere already by now. I'd go prove it, but... I'm afraid to look...

If you find it, let me know.


I think, rather, it would be that neither would admit it to themselves or others - Kyon's dimness regarding his feelings for Haruhi may be more of a case of unreliable narration than anything else.
But you think there would definitely *be* an attraction eventually?

[Closet_Skeleton]

On an Internet where people made jokes to be funny rather than parroting half-liners?

For some reason I couldn't help but imagine this in a Don Fontaine "In a world where..." voice.


If he ever interacted with female Kyon, I don't think either of them would notice their attraction to each other even if it was there.

Yeah, that's the problem with having the same personality.


But you think there would definitely *be* an attraction eventually?

It would probably go something like:

Indiferance -> Synchronised actions -> Stepping on toes -> Rivalry -> Understanding -> Sex

Or

Lust -> Sex -> Disillusionment -> Self Loathing -> Kyonko and Itsuki hook up -> Kyonko and Itsuki breakup -> Kyon and Kyonko realise their love -> Marriage

For some reason Kyonko sounds wrong to me so I'll have to use the fnord trick to mentally replace it with Kyouko whenever I see it.

[Infinity_Biscuit]

For some reason Kyonko sounds wrong to me so I'll have to use the fnord trick to mentally replace it with Kyouko whenever I see it.
I just use "Kyon" for both versions because it's a nickname and with "Kyonko", the -ko just seems too appended and not a natural part of the name.

Of course, this can obviously lead to confusion.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I just use "Kyon" for both versions because it's a nickname and with "Kyonko", the -ko just seems too appended and not a natural part of the name.

Of course, this can obviously lead to confusion.

Sadly Kyon is only ever refered to as 'Kyon', otherwise you could be cliche and use Kyon-kun/Kyon-chan.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Lust -> Sex -> Disillusionment -> Self Loathing -> Kyonko and Itsuki hook up -> Kyonko and Itsuki breakup -> Kyon and Kyonko realise their love -> Marriage
This seems the most likely route for a fanfic. Or it would if you swapped Kyon and Kyonko.

Closet Skeleton: Mikuru calls him Kyon-kun. And I think Haruhi does a couple times before they lapse into a first-name-no-honorific basis.

Yuki only ever calls him "you". I wonder what that's supposed to mean...

[Closet_Skeleton]

This seems the most likely route for a fanfic. Or it would if you swapped Kyon and Kyonko.

Ah yes, if you have Kyon and Itsuki as a non-final pairing you can have Kyonko and Haruhi as one as well.


Closet Skeleton: Mikuru calls him Kyon-kun. And I think Haruhi does a couple times before they lapse into a first-name-no-honorific basis.

So I suppose it could work.


Yuki only ever calls him "you". I wonder what that's supposed to mean...

Well, Yuki barely ever talks to anyone else, so pronouns are all she requires.

[hanzo66]

I've searched through 4chan myself, usually in gif. hunts. I've even searched /b/ and thus have seen horrors beyond imagining...


4chan, where everything you love goes to die.


Also there's the 4chan equivalent of wikipedia in the Encyclopedia Dramatica. I won't link there due to Rule 34 taking place everywhere.

[Frosty]

It would probably go something like:

Indiferance -> Synchronised actions -> Stepping on toes -> Rivalry -> Understanding -> Sex

Or

Lust -> Sex -> Disillusionment -> Self Loathing -> Kyonko and Itsuki hook up -> Kyonko and Itsuki breakup -> Kyon and Kyonko realise their love -> Marriage.

You've got this all figured out dontcha :smallwink: ? Are you planning on writing fanfic?

[Tengu]

I go to sleep and not only this thread grows to three pages, but also sidetracks into a discussion about 4chan!

Also, you people are all pervs and I am ashamed that I know you. Now forgive me, but I must write a post in a PBP game where I'm playing an optimistic and energetic 18-year old girl, in a campaign that's full of subtle LesYay subtext.

[Poison_Fish]

Poison Fish and Illiterate Scribe cruise it regularly, and I see quite a bit of it (Filtered through Me-Without-Boobs). But you're the only one /in this thread/ yesh.

You saw nothing!!! I have an Alibi!!

Besides, I like my Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy.

[Attilargh]

Also, you people are all pervs and I am ashamed that I know you.
Oddly enough, this is the second time I've been called a perv today. Usually people don't notice it.

[Artemician]

Oddly enough, this is the second time I've been called a perv today. Usually people don't notice it.

*Looks left*

*Looks right*

*Eyes fall on avatar*

Ooooooooo-kay. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

[Closet_Skeleton]

You've got this all figured out dontcha :smallwink: ? Are you planning on writing fanfic?

No, hopefully I'm planning on finishing my coursework ...

[Frosty]

Also, you people are all pervs and I am ashamed that I know you. Now forgive me, but I must write a post in a PBP game where I'm playing an optimistic and energetic 18-year old girl, in a campaign that's full of subtle LesYay subtext.

But Haruhi is only 15!

[Tengu]

But Haruhi is only 15!

I wasn't joking there, you know - this game and character really exist.

And I thought that Haruhi is 16 or 17.

[Frosty]

Haruhi is a first year in high school. That menas, she's roughly 10th grade in our terms. She's not 17.

[Tengu]

I've seen that her age was 16 or 17 years somewhere... even on these forums. Or maybe it's because I was 16 when I started high school (as most people in Poland), and had 17th birthday in April.

And my character doesn't really resemble Haruhi - she's much more good-natured, doesn't have that many weird ideas, is not dangerously genre savvy (only normally genre savvy), and not even remotely that genki. And cannot unconsciously reshape reality - yet, because it's Exalted we're talking about.

[Frosty]

I need to play in a game where I can use tropes and have it work in my favor XD

[tyckspoon]

I need to play in a game where I can use tropes and have it work in my favor XD
Been to the Homebrew forum lately? (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75973)

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Haruhi is a first year in high school. That menas, she's roughly 10th grade in our terms. She's not 17.

I've seen that her age was 16 or 17 years somewhere... even on these forums. Or maybe it's because I was 16 when I started high school (as most people in Poland), and had 17th birthday in April.
I can't find a birth date for Haruhi, so it wouldn't be possible to nail her age down exactly.

Japanese high school (kōtōgakkō), more properly upper secondary school, covers what in the US would, roughly, be grades 10, 11, and 12. That generally corresponds with first year students being about 15, though depending on birth date they could be 16 by the end of the school year. In the anime, Haruhi is probably 15-16. With the novels, since they're well into the second year, she would be 16-17.

For an example, my own birthdate fell in such a way that I was 16 halfway through 10th grade (US), and 18 well before the end of my senior year.

[Terraoblivion]

You know Tengu, you sound like you play Exalted just like one of my friends. It is almost scary actually.

As for Haruhi's age then 15 in the beginning and either 15 or 16 by the end of the first season seems to be by far the most likely, with the most likely alternative probably being 15 throughout the first season and having her birthday between the first and the second one. At least that covers the tenth grade of pretty much everybody i have ever known and seems to be the norm for first year high school students in Japanese entertainment, unless they want to age the characters enough for it to be legal to show them have sex.

[Infinity_Biscuit]

This thread is taking a turn for the weird...

*looks at topic title again*

Oh. Right. Never mind.

[hr]
So people were saying earlier that they didn't think Haruki (the character) would work because of how Haruhi's personality is viewed based on her gender. From what I've read so far (page 85... does that thread ever stop?), I think Haruki can work. He's not the same; he definitely loses a little of her uniqueness, but he gains more likability, and since they're both so central to the stories, that can actually be a valid trade-off.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

So people were saying earlier that they didn't think Haruki (the character) would work because of how Haruhi's personality is viewed based on her gender. From what I've read so far (page 85... does that thread ever stop?), I think Haruki can work. He's not the same; he definitely loses a little of her uniqueness, but he gains more likability, and since they're both so central to the stories, that can actually be a valid trade-off.
The like-ability is subjective, though... I like Haruhi more than I like Haruki.

[Frosty]

I was wondering, if all the gender-swapped character were to get summer jobs, what do you think their jobs would be?

Haruki: Dunno. A Job would bore her too much?
Yuuki: Librarian
Minoru: Maitre'D/host/store greeter
Koizumi: Model?
Kyonko: Waitress or cashier
Taniguchi: Brothel worker
Kunikida: No idea

[Tengu]

Kunikida would probably work at a sweets shop, seeing that his only personality trait is being a Big Eater - and show me a girl who loves to eat much and doesn't like sweets?

Also... brothel worker? As a summer job?
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/attachments/month_0603/wtf_cat.jpg.w300h371_HeOTTJstzM5Z.jpg

[Terraoblivion]

It is rather strange...to put it mildly. She would more likely have some kind of job where she got plenty of opportunity to look attractive for guys and then botch it as horribly as male Taniguchi does attracting girls.

[Frosty]

Heh, I like that pic of the cat :smallbiggrin:

I was actually making a joke about a comment Kyonko made to Taniguchi in either a fan-made conversion of one of the episodes of the anime, or from the fan-project of Haruki novels on Baka-Tsuki. I think Taniguchi was asking Kyonko about what she did over the summer, and when Kyonko said she spent it with ehr little cousins or what not, Taniguchi said that was boring. She then said that since they're all in high school now, they should do things more suitable for high school students, like getting a part time job. Kyonko then makes a sarcastic comment (thought, not out loud) about "Yeah, probably a brothel" referring to his opinions of Taniguchi's boy-obsession.

[Tengu]

Ah, no wonder I didn't know it then, as I'd rather have all my butthair shaven than read a Haruki novel.
Not because they are bad (as they're probably not). There just are some things that scare me.

[Frosty]

I...enjoy the Haruki novels. Very fun. I can't wait until they write the part where Kyonko travels back to the day of the Tanabata 3 years ago and helps haruki with the drawing of the symbols. In the original, Haruhi made Kyon do all the work. I wonder if Haruki would do the same.

[Artemician]

Ah, no wonder I didn't know it then, as I'd rather have all my butthair shaven than read a Haruki novel.
Not because they are bad (as they're probably not). There just are some things that scare me.

This, coming from the guy with the GauronxSosuke yaoi avatar.

[Tengu]

Yup. Seeing the reactions of all the people around (except for Aziraphale and Rutee, who were delighted) was enough to balance having such a painful image as an avatar.

[Xuincherguixe]

Yeah, it is a pretty good disturbing Avatar. Good to know there's someone out there who also appreciates dealing sanity damage.

[Zencao]

Okay this thread just drove me over the edge, WHAT THE HELL DOES (sic) MEAN!?

[Sucrose]

Okay this thread just drove me over the edge, WHAT THE HELL DOES (sic) MEAN!?

Wikipedia is your friend. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic) Quoth the hivemind:

"Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "just as that". In writing, it is placed within square brackets and usually italicized—[sic]—to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a transcription error.[1]"

*re-lurk*

[Rogue 7]

I always saw it as an abbreviation of "spelling incorrect"

[Zencao]

Ahh, thank you gentlemen.

[Terraoblivion]

GauronxSousuke wasn't that bad. I found it more fun than anything actually. And Haruki isn't scary, just a bit of a shame to have the characters changed like that.

[Infinity_Biscuit]

Yup. Seeing the reactions of all the people around (except for Aziraphale and Rutee, who were delighted) was enough to balance having such a painful image as an avatar.
I found it particularly amusing after watching Lucky*Star. That doujin is too intense for Kagami, but Nagato's superhuman tolerance can handle it!

[Tengu]

I gain vital energy from two things:
1. Experiencing Mind Screw media.
2. Leeching these parts that leave people when they lose parts of their spirits when I disturb them.

I sleep and eat only to sustain the illusion of being an actual human being.

[Terraoblivion]

In that case you need to keep to at least smiling Yuki level of disturbing when it comes to your avatars. SousukexGauron wasn't that bad after all.

[Tengu]

Depends on the person. Right, Artemician?

[Drascin]

...Would you people please stop nagging him to go back to SAN loss-inducing avatars when he's for once found one that isn't even painful? My SAN levels are already low by default, I cannot afford to lose much more!

:smalltongue:

[Terraoblivion]

Bah, you have seen nothing then. This (http://youtube.com/watch?v=n9ZOf-3q2x4) is a true horror. Specifically Gendo and Keel.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Bah, you have seen nothing then. This (http://youtube.com/watch?v=n9ZOf-3q2x4) is a true horror. Specifically Gendo and Keel.
GS Gendo... :smalleek: That being said, I think it caused less of a "wait, what?" reaction than Angelic Days did. Says a lot about NGE that doing a Good End version is a lot more shocking than switching the genders of the characters.

[Terraoblivion]

Yeah, it does. Then again a good ending to Eva would be the equivalent of the Iliad ending with Zeus becoming a faithful husband. Just completely illogical given what came before and as such a shock if they manage to get it to make sense and horrible if not.

[Xuincherguixe]

*dies laughing at Gendo*

I guess he wasn't quite gender bent enough :P

[Artemician]

*Lols at Gendo*


I guess he wasn't quite gender bent enough :P

Indeed.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Personally, I rofl'd harder at Fuyutsko.

Yeah, it does. Then again a good ending to Eva would be the equivalent of the Iliad ending with Zeus becoming a faithful husband. Just completely illogical given what came before and as such a shock if they manage to get it to make sense and horrible if not.
Believe it or not, there's a hentai doujin out there that manages a happy-ish ending...without actually changing anything that happened or anything that the series meant. It doesn't manage to be quite as confusing, though.

Yes, Rutee, I finally got around to reading Re-Take in its entirety (I think you were the one I first brought that up with).

[Terraoblivion]

That is impressive, Nerd-o-Rama, really impressive. Now i am compelled by my curiosity to find that doujin and see if it can be true, even with the mental scars the hentai will undoubtedly cause in me.

And my personal favorite among the genderbent Eva characters is Keel. He is just so incredibly hideous. Of those that looks like actual people i agree that Fuyutsuki is the funniest, though.

[Cubey]

My thoughts on genderbent Eva:
#1: WTF?
#2: Roffel.
#3: I have to watch Evangelion again.

More disturbing than Haruki Suzumiya, but still more funny than creepy.

[Tengu]

The plague is spreading! At this rate we will be seeing gender-bent Full Metal Panic and Cowboy Bebop soon...

And I second Keel. Ugly as sin. On the other end of the scale you have Maya Ibuki who looks practically the same as she did when female.

[Artemician]

The plague is spreading! At this rate we will be seeing gender-bent Full Metal Panic and Cowboy Bebop soon.

You were saying something about genderbent Full Metal Panic?

You're late to the (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDOFaGztJM) party (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=VPczFEFNAaU) .

(Warning: some portions of the first video are NSFW. But nevermind, just looking at the first picture that appears should be enough:smalltongue: )

[Tengu]

Well done on ensuring me that the world is indeed a very weird place.

Weird is good, by the way.

EDIT: Although wait... that's just Sagara, ain't it? I expected something along the lines of the whole cast.

[Artemician]

Although wait... that's just Sagara, ain't it? I expected something along the lines of the whole cast.

It's just Sagara. Sadly, the other genderbent cast members shall forever remain locked in our imaginations.

Picturing a genderbent Mao is ridiculously funny somehow. As is genderbent Kurz. Or Kalinin.

[Rutee]

Genderbent Kurz? What's the joke there again, that he'd never leave the house?

[Cubey]

You were saying something about genderbent Full Metal Panic?

You're late to the (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDOFaGztJM) party (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=VPczFEFNAaU) .

(Warning: some portions of the first video are NSFW. But nevermind, just looking at the first picture that appears should be enough:smalltongue: )

After Evangelion, I am unphased.
With one exception: girl Sousuke (Sousuko?) sleeping under the bed = aww.

[Terraoblivion]

I am pretty sure there is a picture with a genderbent Kurz floating around somewhere. I cannot remember the link, but i am fairly sure i've seen it. He is an immensely curvy blond who loves showing off her body...guess that is the female equivalent of the trope he embodies.

[Tengu]

I'd imagine that male Melissa Mao would be your typical swearing and drinking drill sergeant (of course, she's higher ranked - major, right? - but you get the idea) who, deep down on the inside, has a heart of gold for his men.

Relationship between Sagara Sousuke and Kaname Chidori would be less funny - when a girl hits her boyfriend, it's hilarious, when a boy hits his girlfriend, it's abuse. Double standards in action!

Tessa and her brother would just switch places.

Female Gauron would probably be even more scary. Female Gates would surely be even more scary.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Personally, I rofl'd harder at Fuyutsko.

Believe it or not, there's a hentai doujin out there that manages a happy-ish ending...without actually changing anything that happened or anything that the series meant. It doesn't manage to be quite as confusing, though.

Yes, Rutee, I finally got around to reading Re-Take in its entirety (I think you were the one I first brought that up with).
If anyone is interested in Re-Take and not sure how to get a hold of it, drop me a PM and I will see about getting it you. And for those worried about the hentai part there, don't worry - you can skip most of that and not miss anything useful, and the plot portions are amazing (sort of the opposite of most hentai doujin - it's almost like the hentai part is there to give the plot an excuse for happening :smallconfused: Though, depending on where Lonely Kagami goes, I may end up with two doujins like that...). However, because of that content I will scrub any direct links on the open forum that show up.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Does anyone have a Kyonko wallpaper? I've been looking for one, and I can't find any. Ideally I'd love to have something with non-gender bent Haruhi, but I'd love to have anything decent.

I may end up making something myself as well - if so, I'll post it here.

[Frosty]

Please do ^_^

Although I'm not entirely certain it won't be used for evil purposes. I mean, what if someone gets the idea to write a Kyonko x non-bent Haruhi slashfic?

[Nerd-o-rama]

I already had that idea. Oh, yes I did.

And I'm sure it's already been written anyhow. This is the internet.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

I already had that idea. Oh, yes I did.

And I'm sure it's already been written anyhow. This is the internet.
+1. Also, if it hasn't somehow, it soon will be if I can shake off my writers block :smallwink:

[Attilargh]

Well, if you really want to know, I can safely say there's a hentai doujin with that theme. Er, or so I heard.

Anyway, wallpapery (http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/aa7fabda90b3a51124ef411a31483bf3.jpg). I use that myself. (If it comes up with an error, just hit refresh. That sorts it out for me.)

[Terraoblivion]

What would the problem be with KyonkoxHaruhi? :smallconfused: It would be really cute and easily the best way to have Haruhi shipped with a girl.

[Tengu]

What would the problem be with KyonkoxHaruhi? :smallconfused: It would be really cute and easily the best way to have Haruhi shipped with a girl.

I feel ashamed to admit it but this idea has a certain charm to it.

[Nerd-o-rama]

...God ****ing dammit, Tengu.

Like the new banner, though.

[Tengu]

I changed my mind - I actually love this thread. Without it, I'd never have this avatar.

Being the one to laugh in the end feels good (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilFeelsGood).

[Frosty]

What would the problem be with KyonkoxHaruhi? :smallconfused: It would be really cute and easily the best way to have Haruhi shipped with a girl.

Now that I think about it. The idea isn't bad. But do you think Haruhi will go for someone who is so much less...endowed than Mikuru?

[Rutee]

Doesn't she already go for somebody much less endowed then Mikuru?

[Frosty]

Whst other girl did Haruhi go for?

[Nerd-o-rama]

Sigh. I think she means Original Kyon, Frosty.

[Tengu]

How do you know for sure that Kyon is not less endowed than Mikuru? You never see him without his shirt, do you?

[Nerd-o-rama]

Beach episode.

Though we haven't ever seen him without his pants.

[bluish_wolf]

How do you know for sure that Kyon is not less endowed than Mikuru? You never see him without his shirt, do you?

Because Mikuru's breasts are visible with her shirt on?

[Tengu]

Because Mikuru's breasts are visible with her shirt on?

What about super-flattening tops? They exist in anime-world, as Excel Saga Episode 26 shows.

But Nerdo already destroyed my theory. Ah well. Its life was short, but intensive.

[Rutee]

I meant Kyon as he is, yeah. Haruhi doesn't seem exclusively attracted to huge breasts :P

And yes, he's demonstrably less endowed. The only thing that would bounce when he jumps is his hair.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Because Mikuru's breasts are visible with her shirt on?

He's wearing sarashi. Seriously, somehow in anime breasts can be made to completely dissapear just by tightly applying bandages.

As long as I don't actually watch the beach episode again, you can't prove me wrong.

[Frosty]

And yes, he's demonstrably less endowed. The only thing that would bounce when he jumps is his hair.


He's wearing sarashi. Seriously, somehow in anime breasts can be made to completely dissapear just by tightly applying bandages.

Damnit. We need to get our pronouns straight! I can't tell whether you two are referring to Kyonko or Kyon. Kyon as a guy would not wear a sarashi. It would make no sense. So, it makes sense to be referring to Kyonko, and if so, use "she" please!

[Tengu]

But guys wear sarashi too, you know. Just look at Kamina for example.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Damnit. We need to get our pronouns straight! I can't tell whether you two are referring to Kyonko or Kyon. Kyon as a guy would not wear a sarashi. It would make no sense. So, it makes sense to be referring to Kyonko, and if so, use "she" please!

To be honest, I'm utterly lost and have no idea who we're refering to either.


But guys wear sarashi too, you know. Just look at Kamina for example.

Though generally they wear them lower down their chests.

In fact since sarashi are samurai clothing, more men than women probably wear sarashi.

[kamikasei]

Damnit. We need to get our pronouns straight! I can't tell whether you two are referring to Kyonko or Kyon. Kyon as a guy would not wear a sarashi. It would make no sense. So, it makes sense to be referring to Kyonko, and if so, use "she" please!

The question is whether Haruhi would go for Kyonko, since Kyonko is flat-chested and Haruhi's past actions indicate that she finds busty girls attractive, being as how Mikuru is the one she openly mauls.

So by proving that Kyon, who Haruhi does like, is not hiding thoroughly uber boobage somewhere, we can demonstrate that Haruhi does indeed go for underbreasted individuals, and could thus also plausibly go for Kyonko.

So they're talking about Kyon.

...Or they're arguing that Kyonko is hiding breasts bigger than her head somewhere in that adorable sweater. I guess. Maybe.

[Terraoblivion]

Also i think that ultimately personality matters more to her than looks and Kyonko is still fundamentally the same person as Kyon. And provided that the circumstances are similar then she probably would react similarly to Kyon, at least supposing that we accept that she is bisexual.

[Closet_Skeleton]

The question is whether Haruhi would go for Kyonko, since Kyonko is flat-chested and Haruhi's past actions indicate that she finds busty girls attractive, being as how Mikuru is the one she openly mauls.

So by proving that Kyon, who Haruhi does like, is not hiding thoroughly uber boobage somewhere, we can demonstrate that Haruhi does indeed go for underbreasted individuals, and could thus also plausibly go for Kyonko.

Ah, but Haruhi only likes Mikuru's big breasts because she's moe moe. You can be moe moe without having huge breasts, so Kyonko has a chance. Anyway, my knowledge of Ranma 1/2, Tenshi no Konamaiki and Kashimashi Girl meets Girl show that gender flipped guys are rarely lacking in this particular department.

Generaly it's: b=n+x, where b is the gender-flipped male's breast size, n is the breast size of the gender flipped male's closest female friend and x is a number sufficient to annoy the female friend.


So they're talking about Kyon.

Thankyou for telling me.

[kamikasei]

Thankyou for telling me.

You're welcome! Glad to be of assistance.

[Rutee]

I'm pretty sure Haruhi is genuinely attracted to large breasted women. She has /far/ too much fun while fondling her breasts, and she does so for no apparent reason (I sincerely doubt Kyon was unaware of the X-Block she has on her chest before she was groping her). Taht with a few other lines in the show, and the ear-biting (Which as we all know is how lesbians mark their mates) makesit pretty abundantly clear that there's animal attraction there, at least.

But yes, I was saying that since Kyon has no boobs, and she does indeed love him, we can extrapolate from this that she /can/ like people who do not have prodigious chests.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I'm pretty sure Haruhi is genuinely attracted to large breasted women. She has /far/ too much fun while fondling her breasts, and she does so for no apparent reason (I sincerely doubt Kyon was unaware of the X-Block she has on her chest before she was groping her). Taht with a few other lines in the show, and the ear-biting (Which as we all know is how lesbians mark their mates) makesit pretty abundantly clear that there's animal attraction there, at least.

But yes, I was saying that since Kyon has no boobs, and she does indeed love him, we can extrapolate from this that she /can/ like people who do not have prodigious chests.

It would be pretty shallow of Haruhi if she was utterly incapable of liking people who didn't fall into arbitary phenotypes. Some people I know think Haruhi is a selfish rapist but that doesn't mean she has every negative trait you can think of.

It's also very possible to have varied tastes. If she is bisexual (which as fanon is hardly without basis), breasts can't really be involved in her taste of men at all. In fact this entire discussion is rather stupid as well as confused. I'd blame Frosty for starting it if he wasn't merely making a suggestion (and didn't appear to be as confused as me).

[Attilargh]

Whaddya mean, "fanon"? She herself said that she doesn't care about gender, as long as the person's fun.

[Frosty]

Rutee, what I mean is, perhaps her taste in BOYS doesn't necessarily include size or moe as a factor, but her taste in GIRLS may. So while she make like Kyon, she may not like Kyonko because the standards for judging *may* have changed.

That said, let's flip it around. Would Kyonko like Haruhi?

[Terraoblivion]

If we accept that she is bisexual or lesbian, which we have to for the discussion to have a point, i don't see why not. What i see as the fundamental aspect of this discussion is that Kyon and Kyonko are still quite similar people and as such they would probably have close to the same reaction to Haruhi's personality, which is what i really consider to be what matters. As such i would say that, yes, the traits that attract Kyon and Haruhi to each other would also attract Kyonko and Haruhi to each other if we allow both of them to be attracted to girls.

[Frosty]

So there are multiple questions:

1) Do you think it likely that Kyonko is bisexual, openly or secretly?

2) If yes, and secretly, what do you think her views on it would be? Would she think it's something shameful or inconvenient because society may look down upon that kind of behavior?

3) If so, would that further complicate her admitting her feelings for Haruhi? If Kyonko openly accepts her bisexuality, would she probably run into the same amount of trouble admitting the relationship as if she were Kyon?

[bluish_wolf]

I think this is turning to much into just a normal haruhi discussion, so I'll post a picture of Harhuki blackmailing the computer club president (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/221062).

[Rutee]

Nice theory on Belkar, dear. Also Asahina Mitsuru is a searchable tag now? The Melancholy of Haruki Suzumiya must be pretty huge with the fandom XD

[Frosty]

I wonder if the internetz is perverted enough to have Kyonko x Kyon ships...

[Tengu]

I think this is turning to much into just a normal haruhi discussion, so I'll post a picture of Harhuki blackmailing the computer club president (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/221062).

Heh. That's funny.


I wonder if the internetz is perverted enough to have Kyonko x Kyon ships...

Of course it is. No, I'm not going to find picture to support my point. I'm not that weird.

[Oslecamo]

Taht with a few other lines in the show, and the ear-biting (Which as we all know is how lesbians mark their mates)


Wait, I tought that ear-biting was how dominating women marked their mates, would they be males or females.

Many mangas don't really make a big diference between hetero and homo relations. It's all fair game for them.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Whaddya mean, "fanon"? She herself said that she doesn't care about gender, as long as the person's fun.

Even if it's canon, if you take it further than those really obvious hints, you stray into fanon.


So there are multiple questions:

Yay!


1) Do you think it likely that Kyonko is bisexual, openly or secretly?

It doesn't matter, we have the Kinsey scale remember?


2) If yes, and secretly, what do you think her views on it would be? Would she think it's something shameful or inconvenient because society may look down upon that kind of behavior?

We have to look at Kyon's personality for this. He doesn't want to stand out so he wouldn't admit it to everyone. He tries to hide his attraction to girls from other people but not to the audience.


3) If so, would that further complicate her admitting her feelings for Haruhi? If Kyonko openly accepts her bisexuality, would she probably run into the same amount of trouble admitting the relationship as if she were Kyon?

Kyonko would be just as oblivious about Haruki's feelings for her as Kyon is. Since Haruhi is so blatently interested in Mikuru, this may make Kyonko feel more normal.


I wonder if the internetz is perverted enough to have Kyonko x Kyon ships...

Didn't we already go into this a few pages back?

[Frosty]

It doesn't matter, we have the Kinsey scale remember?

What's the Kinsey scale?


Since Haruhi is so blatently interested in Mikuru, this may make Kyonko feel more normal.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this.


Didn't we already go into this a few pages back?

Yes we did. I am brain fried. But I was thinking of a more raw attraction than romance in this instance.

[Green Bean]

What's the Kinsey scale?

This. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale)

Basically, few people are totally straight or totally gay. The Kinsey scale is a gradient running from "completely heterosexual" to "completely homosexual" with "bisexual" in the middle.


Anyway, I caught the start of this thread and got interested in the series when I looked it up on TVTropes. I managed to catch some dubbed episodes *somewhere*, and I have to admit that this series is surprisingly awesome. It's the second Anime/Manga I've honestly enjoyed in a long time.

[Frosty]

This. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale)

Basically, few people are totally straight or totally gay. The Kinsey scale is a gradient running from "completely heterosexual" to "completely homosexual" with "bisexual" in the middle.


Anyway, I caught the start of this thread and got interested in the series when I looked it up on TVTropes. I managed to catch some dubbed episodes *somewhere*, and I have to admit that this series is surprisingly awesome. It's the second Anime/Manga I've honestly enjoyed in a long time.

If you ever need more Haruhi info, you can always go here as well: http://www.blooming-desire.net/

It's got...everything.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

What I meant (I'll admit I have bad communication skills) was that if Haruhi is constantly playing with Mikuru in an obvious way, this may make Kyonko more relaxed about that sort of thing. Alternatively it would just scar her as much as it scars Mikuru.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

I think I created a monster with a seemingly innocent wallpaper request :smalleek:


Generaly it's: b=n+x, where b is the gender-flipped male's breast size, n is the breast size of the gender flipped male's closest female friend and x is a number sufficient to annoy the female friend.
I think we need to give a name to this. Hrm... the Saotome Number? Any other suggestions?

EDIT: As mentioned priorly, I did make my own background, which I'm posting here. Note that I haven't checked the actual file size here 'cause it's 2AM where I am and I just finished them, so they might be huge. I did a couple of basic resolutions; if you want it and have an exotic resolution let me know and I'll see what I can do. I personally use what is about the largest available currently, so it's a matter of cropping and resizing the primary image to fit.

Anyways, without further ado, links:
1024x768 (http://gorbashkazdar.com/haruhi/haruhi-x-kyonko-background-1024x768.jpg)
800x600 (http://gorbashkazdar.com/haruhi/haruhi-x-kyonko-background-800x600.jpg)
1440x900 (widescreen) (http://gorbashkazdar.com/haruhi/haruhi-x-kyonko-background-1440x900.jpg)

[Frosty]

Those links don't work. :smallfrown:

[Cubey]

Those links don't work. :smallfrown:

Just remove the equation mark (this: = ) from the end of the address.
Also, these wallpapers are so cute. Wrong but so very cute.

[Attilargh]

Squee. Very, very squee.

[Terraoblivion]

Trust me there are people who have shipped Kyon and Kyonko. I saw a link to a 4-chan thread containing a set of pictures of how the characters would react if they met their opposite version. Kyon and Kyonko had sex in it.

Anyway unless we change Kyonko's personality substantially from Kyon's she is probably strictly heterosexual like he appears to be. It doesn't concern me too much though as we need to do quite a few work-arounds to have Kyonko meet Haruhi anyway, so i wouldn't be bothered if she was made bi for shipping purposes as long as it wasn't taken too seriously. As for how she would express it, i would say she would do like Kyon and hide it from everybody including herself, while doing it incompletely enough that it is obvious to the audience.

And that is really an immensely cute wallpower, Gorbash. I would use it for my desktop had it been the right size. Also it goes well with Kagami, when it comes to cuteness.

[Closet_Skeleton]

Anyway unless we change Kyonko's personality substantially from Kyon's she is probably strictly heterosexual like he appears to be.

Depends. If you're only changing a single aspect of Kyon, then she'll still be attracted to girls. Kyonko only remains heterosexual if you assume that heterosexual/homosexual is the paradigm. If you assume that sexuality in fact works in a differant way and is in fact better expressed as androphilic/gynophilic (eg attracted to boys/attracted to girls) then Kyonko could be gynophilic while retaining Kyon's personality. A genetic study once suggested that a gene that may be a factor in homosexuality in men was evolutionary advantageous because the gene will also cause their sisters to have more children.

Then again, if you're reversing everything gender related about Kyon, then he would still be heterosexual even using my dodgy paradigm.

[Frosty]

The wallpaper is beyond moe. It has taken Moe and distilled the very pure essense of "squee!" from it into a hyper-condensed form. A form so concentrated that it emits it own gravitational field that attracts anyone remotely receptive to cute!

Terra: I'm kinda curious as to that thread you mentioned...but if I go there, my innocence...it will be destroyed. The conundrums!!

Oh yeah, does anyone feel that Kagami and Kyonko may very similar personalities?

[Gorbash Kazdar]

I'm glad everyone likes the backgrounds! I've fixed the links as well.


And that is really an immensely cute wallpower, Gorbash. I would use it for my desktop had it been the right size. Also it goes well with Kagami, when it comes to cuteness.
What size do you need? The nice thing about making backgrounds for my resolution is that it's the biggest currently being used, so it's very easy to crop/resize the final image to just about any other res.

[kamikasei]

Oh yeah, does anyone feel that Kagami and Kyonko may very similar personalities?

Yes, I do (http://check.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/luckystar20070922045800.jpg).

(Actually, they're fairly different. Kagami snarks at her friends, and her role as the straight man is in shooting down or pointing out their silliness, allowing them to achieve new heights in reaction. Kyon snarks about his friends, in a commentary, and it's their own weirdness that fuels them. There's nothing really like the Konami dynamic in SHnY.

[Terraoblivion]

I mostly did indeed mean that everything gender related has been changed about Kyon to arrive at Kyonko, as that is what the evidence points at. In the same vein i am going with nothing else that hasn't been shown being changed beyond this. It might not be entirely true, but it is a fairly decent for a working theory.

And i think there are similarities between Kyonko and Kagami, even as they possess fairly clear differences. Kamikasei has touched on one of the clear ones, but there is also the difference that Kagami is nowhere near as apathetic as Kyon and by extension Kyonko. Still there are similar personality traits, most clearly the nature as straight man for the show.

As for my resolution it is 1280x1024, if that helps Gorbash.

[Frosty]

Kyon isn't really apathetic is he? He really doesn't want most of the stuff he sees to happen (at least on the surface, logical level of his brain). I guess Kagami is more vocal, but that's because Kagami isn't up against Haruhi.

[bluish_wolf]

The wallpaper is beyond moe. It has taken Moe and distilled the very pure essense of "squee!" from it into a hyper-condensed form. A form so concentrated that it emits it own gravitational field that attracts anyone remotely receptive to cute!


I thought squee was just the fangirl version of moe.

[Rutee]

Squee is the verbal version of anything that would yield the textual response of "<3!" It has no single gender.

[tyckspoon]

I thought squee was just the fangirl version of moe.

It may have a more specific fandom meaning that I'm not very familiar with, but I know and use it as a general sound of delight. It'd be the same response used for sufficiently cool art as for the news that Pratchett's Alzheimer's diagnosis was a false positive. Although I'd run out of breath and pass out before I stopped squeeing for one of those.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I thought squee was just the fangirl version of moe.

It's stereotypicaly feminine, which isn't the same thing as being limited to girls in the slightest.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

As for my resolution it is 1280x1024, if that helps Gorbash.
5:4 aspect ratio, eh? Can do.
1280x1024 (http://gorbashkazdar.com/haruhi/haruhi-x-kyonko-background-1280x1024.jpg)

[Oslecamo]

I thought squee was just the fangirl version of moe.

Squee is a legendary goblin from MTG. He's know for eating living bugs, being annoying, coming back to life several times by himself, being annoying and being a powerfull combo card.

It's widely known that Squee has started to invade the Haruhi universe in the form of gaming cards, as it can bee seen in some of the episodes. Since goblins don't seem to vary much by gender, however, he managed to keep his disguise in this new transgender universe.

Just adding to the randomness.

[Dallas-Dakota]

When I saw this thread on the main page I saw : The Melancholy of Haruki--
What I thought was : The Melancholy of Haruki-Kun? (The forum member, ya know)
When I saw the full title I was :smallredface:

[Terraoblivion]

I was certain i had said this already, but apparently i haven't. Thank you for the wallpaper, Gorbash. It fits correctly and is immensely cute.

[Gorbash Kazdar]

Now this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/222729/cardigan-character_single-cosplay-izumi_konata-kyo) is what I call memetic mutation. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MemeticMutation) :smallbiggrin:

[Terraoblivion]

It is...but soooo obvious. And quite cute as well.

[Rutee]

...Snicker. Now that's awesome memetic mutation XD

[Closet_Skeleton]

Now this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/222729/cardigan-character_single-cosplay-izumi_konata-kyo) is what I call memetic mutation. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MemeticMutation) :smallbiggrin:

Absolutely terrorfying.

[Reaver225]

I'm re-registering just to laugh so very hard at this thread.


In a good way.

[Terraoblivion]

What is frightening about it, Closet_Skeleton? I mean a Kyonko/Konata fusion would be one of the most awesome things in the world.

[Closet_Skeleton]

What is frightening about it, Closet_Skeleton? I mean a Kyonko/Konata fusion would be one of the most awesome things in the world.

It's a combination of the slutty expression and the rediculous lolly art.

[Tengu]

What's slutty about Konata's trademark :3 smile? Well, she usually keeps her eyes closed with it, but still.

[Closet_Skeleton]

What's slutty about Konata's trademark :3 smile? Well, she usually keeps her eyes closed with it, but still.

Maybe it's more of the pose + the smile, and if you're already used to the smile you don't notice it.

Anyway: Dodgy smile + slight blush + mole + tilted head + one hand on hip + just avoiding confident pose + inapropriate school uniform + stretching + flat topped eyelids = 9 points of sluttyness.

Yes, I know I just described everything in the picture and I haven't prooved anything.

[Tengu]

While we're on topic of Lucky Star, did anyone else think at times that Konata might have a harelip? When she keeps her mouth closed her expression is always either :3 or :<.

[illathid]

/Delurk

Could someone maybe host the picture in question on a different site or PM it to me? I've been lurking in these anime threads for a while now, and I wouldn't want to miss whats being discussed.

Stupid university blocking danbooru.

[kamikasei]

While we're on topic of Lucky Star, did anyone else think at times that Konata might have a harelip? When she keeps her mouth closed her expression is always either :3 or :<.

Nah, it would surely have prompted some comment. She's just that tropeful.


Could someone maybe host the picture in question on a different site or PM it to me? I've been lurking in these anime threads for a while now, and I wouldn't want to miss whats being discussed.

Here you go (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/kamikasei/6b2b246ad162e8cbc894cfa882c1a3f4.jpg).

[bluish_wolf]

Maybe it's more of the pose + the smile, and if you're already used to the smile you don't notice it.

Anyway: Dodgy smile + slight blush + mole + tilted head + one hand on hip + just avoiding confident pose + inapropriate school uniform + stretching + flat topped eyelids = 9 points of sluttyness.

Yes, I know I just described everything in the picture and I haven't prooved anything.

You forgot to mention the ahoge.

[Closet_Skeleton]

She's just that tropeful.

Tropeful is a word now? What's next "tropetic"?, "tropesome"? "tropic"? "tropery"? "Trope Ness"?

Yes, one of those is already a word and another is a made up Scottish Lake


You forgot to mention the ahoge.

Ah yes, I did. Thankyou for pointing that out and would you now kindly explain what that means.

[bluish_wolf]

Tropeful is a word now? What's next "tropetic"?, "tropesome"? "tropic"? "tropery"? "Trope Ness"?

Ah yes, I did. Thankyou for pointing that out and would you now kindly explain what that means.

According to the dictionary, the adjective form is tropical.

The ahoge is that part of her hair in the middle that sticks up on it's own.

[kamikasei]

Tropeful is a word now? What's next "tropetic"?, "tropesome"? "tropic"? "tropery"? "Trope Ness"?

It's a perfectly cromulent word, not to mention a tropelicious one.

And I can't imagine "trope" has been a word for that long. Welcome to the intarnets, and the evolution of language.


Ah yes, I did. Thankyou for pointing that out and would you now kindly explain what that means.

It's the thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoge) on top of her head, the gravity-defying lock of hair. You know when she's supposed to meet the twins and they don't realize she's there because she's wearing a hat? It's the "that thing" without which Kagami says she couldn't recognize her.

[bluish_wolf]

It's a perfectly cromulent word, not to mention a tropelicious one.

And I can't imagine "trope" has been a word for that long. Welcome to the intarnets, and the evolution of language.



Well, if you consider 1533 recent, then sure.

[kamikasei]

Well, if you consider 1533 recent, then sure.

Whoops, didn't realize was actually used with something like its current meaning in literary circles. Assumed it was a neologism from scientific language.

[Closet_Skeleton]

The ahoge is that part of her hair in the middle that sticks up on it's own.


It's the thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoge) on top of her head, the gravity-defying lock of hair.

I see. Nice to be have someone out otaku me once in a while. I don't think it's particularly sluttish though, which is what I was trying to explain


You know when she's supposed to meet the twins and they don't realize she's there because she's wearing a hat? It's the "that thing" without which Kagami says she couldn't recognize her.

I haven't actually watched this show.


Well, if you consider 1533 recent, then sure.

So it's actually older than Wikipedia's estimated date for modern English by 17 years. That doesn't count as recent.

[Tengu]

It's the thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoge) on top of her head, the gravity-defying lock of hair. You know when she's supposed to meet the twins and they don't realize she's there because she's wearing a hat? It's the "that thing" without which Kagami says she couldn't recognize her.

Also known as Baka Hair (for TV Tropes enthusiasts). It's also the sole reason why her official height is over 4 feet.

[Artemician]

Also known as Baka Hair (for TV Tropes enthusiasts). It's also the sole reason why her official height is over 4 feet.

I never trusted official figures. Too often they're written by some maniac who works in the TV station and scribbles down some figures that he thinks look correct.

[Rogue 7]

True. Over on TV Tropes, it says somewhere that someone once listed Toph's height as 5' 1". She's the shortest character on the show, and some people are at least twice as tall as her. Do the math.:smallbiggrin:

[Haruki-kun]

*Walks into the Thread*

I have been sneezing a lot lately, does that mean anyone is talking about me? :smalltongue:

Ah, well..... It looks like fun, anyway, let's see how good it is...

[Artemician]

Chapters 3 & 4 are up on Baka-Tsuki. (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruki_no_Seitenkan)

They're pretty good - the language flows a lot nicer than in the original translations, and some of the changes they made are wickedly clever.

[bluish_wolf]

I never trusted official figures. Too often they're written by some maniac who works in the TV station and scribbles down some figures that he thinks look correct.

Couldn't they just ask Yoshimizu-sensei? He made the characters, after all.

[Frosty]

Chapters 3 & 4 are up on [/URL]

They're pretty good - the language flows a lot nicer than in the original translations, and some of the changes they made are wickedly clever.

Yeah, read them a few days ago. Kick-ass. I find it funny now it's Koizumi who forced Kyonko to change hehe.

Oh yeah, everybody needs to listen to this version of Maggaare Spectacle: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcM7SL0clvc&watch_response (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruki_no_Seitenkan)