Arena Tournament, Round 31: Lichen vs Mr. Underhill

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Arena Tournament, Round 31: Lichen vs. Mr. Underhill

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XP Award: 300 XP
GP Award: 300 GP

Bishop Oz - Lichen (http://www.coyotecode.net/profiler/view.php?id=3017)
Bayar - Mr. Underhill (http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=41175)

All Combatants, please roll initiative.

[Bayar]

Initiative: [roll0]

Still thinking what to buy.

[Bishop_Oz]

Initiative: [roll0]

Let's hope this is good :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: I may buy something, not sure, I have to have a look

[Bishop_Oz]

I'll Buy Nothing for the time being I may buy something in reponse to your purchase however. In either event, my actions after buying is completed will be as follows.

For the Refs:
I'll start in K-6 Bow in hand and take a 5' step to J-6. I'll ready my full attack if I have LOS on Mr. Underhill.




Stats:
Current Location: J-6
HP: 8
AC: 18 FF: 14 Touch: 14
Saves:
Fort: +2
Ref: +6
Will: +1

[Bayar]

Ok. I dont buy anything either.

Mr Underhill - Round 1

Starting in P21, I cast produce flames from one of my scrolls. I now have a flame in one of my hands. I drop the used scroll as a free action. Since I am mounted, I will just guide my mount to double-move to R6. Want to finish this match quickly.

Stats:
HP: 11/11
AC: 17 FF: 16 T: 12
Spells:
0lvl: guidance, guidance , resistance
1st level: cure light wounds , magic fang

Done. Need LOS though.

[Mavian]

Ref Mav:

LoS is established as Mr Underhill enters R8. Lichen is in J6.

[Bishop_Oz]

That triggers my readied action:

Rapid Shot!!!

First Attack:
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
Crit if needed
[roll2]
Extra Damage from Crit
[roll3]

Second Attack:
[roll4]
Damage
[roll5]
Crit if needed
[roll6]
Extra for Crit
[roll7]

Stats:
Current Location: J-6
HP: 8
AC: 18 FF: 14 Touch: 14
Saves:
Fort: +2
Ref: +6
Will: +1


Edit for Stat Block

[Bayar]

2 things.
1) Rapid shot can be used only as part of a full attack, so you cant ready it, since it is a full round action. I'll just assume you readied a normal bow attack and that the arrow hit for 2 HP.
2) Is your turn finished ?

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

Correct. Disregard the 2nd attack.


You can get one extra attack per round with a ranged weapon. The attack is at your highest base attack bonus, but each attack you make in that round (the extra one and the normal ones) takes a -2 penalty. You must use the full attack action to use this feat.

That said, his readied action triggered on Bayar's turn. That means it's the start of his turn, not the end.

[Bishop_Oz]

Whoops, my bad :smalleek:

Lichen - 2nd Round

Anyways.....

Now I guess I'll do the Rapid Shot thingy

First Attack:
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
Crit
[roll2]
Extra Damage
[roll3]

Second Attack:
[roll4]
Damage
[roll5]
Crit
[roll6]
Extra Damage
[roll7]


And I'll disappear from view

taking a 5' step to K7

Stats:
Current Location: K7
HP: 8
AC: 18 FF: 14 Touch: 14
Saves:
Fort: +2
Ref: +6
Will: +1

The dice clearly hate me for my previous error:smallannoyed:

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

To clarify, LOS is lost as Lichen moves southeast.

[Bayar]

Mr Underhill - Round 2

So, you used a full round attack and moved out of LOS. you could only used a 5ft step, so I think you are either in J7 or K7. And since you ddnt drop your bow after Rapid shooting, I can safely say you are still wielding it.

My mount will go to K6 and attack him, while I will attempt to touch him with my flame. Attack/damage rolls after I get LOS.

Not done, need LOS.

Stats:
HP: 9/11
AC: 17 T: 12 FF: 16
Spells:
0lvl: guidance, guidance , resistance
1st level: cure light wounds , magic fang

Active: Produce flame - 2/10

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

LOS is established as Mr Underhill reaches N6. Lichen is in K7.

Per spoilered move, Mr Underhill continues to K6. It's Mr. Underhill's attack.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper
bayar, refs
Don't forget your handle animal check.

[Bayar]

K.

Handle animal check to attack you: 1d20+ VS dc 10. If succesful, then:

Attack:[roll0] (base +1, +3 STR)
Damage:[roll1]

And I also attempt to touch yo with my flame.

Attack: [roll2] (if I miss, I still keep the spell)
Damage: [roll3]

Stats:
HP: 9/11
AC: 17 T: 12 FF: 16
Spells:
0lvl: guidance, guidance , resistance
1st level: cure light wounds , magic fang

Active: Produce flame - 2/10

Edit: Screwed up the handle animal roll, but it doesnt matter since the dog still wouldnt hit you.

Your turn.

[Bishop_Oz]

I'll see what I can do yet again!

I'll make a 5' step to J7 then make my full round attack w/ rapid shot.

Take your Dog's AoO (do they get those?) Also, did you have a weapon drawn?

First Attack:
[roll0] (additional +1 from Point Blank Shot)
Damage
[roll1] (additional +1 from Point Blank Shot)
Crit
[roll2]
Damage
[roll3]

Second Attack:
[roll4] (additional +1 from Point Blank Shot)
Damage
[roll5] (additional +1 from Point Blank Shot)
Crit
[roll6]
Damage
[roll7]

Your turn!

Forgot the Stat Block again:
Current Location: J7
HP: 8
AC: 18 FF: 14 Touch: 14
Saves:
Fort: +2
Ref: +6
Will: +1

[Bayar]

Yes, you get AoO by the dog, and I have a flame in my hand that can make touch attacks, dunno if it counts, but will throw that in too.

AOO's:

Dog:
Attack: [roll0]
Damage: [roll1]

Me with flame:
Attack (touch)[roll2]
Damage:[roll3]

Will post my actions in the following posts, depending on this results.

[Bayar]

Ok. So my flame dissapears. You take 3 damage. The dog misses.

Mr Underhill - Round 2

I cast a spell on myself.

Handle animal check: [roll0]

If succesful, he will bite you.

Attack:[roll1]
Damage:[roll2]

Stats:
HP: 2/11 HP:11/11 from the next post.
AC: 17 T: 12 FF: 16
Spells:
0lvl: guidance, guidance , resistance
1st level: cure light wounds , magic fang

Come on dice ! Help me win this !

Edit: Goddamn it, forgot a roll.

[Bayar]

Cure light wounds :[roll0]

Your turn.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

Bayar, since you don't have a weapon in hand and you don't have improved unarmed strike, you don't threaten and can't take an AoO. You're still holding the charge though.

Also, I don't know if the rules expressly say this, but I'm pretty sure you still have to make a handle animal check to have your dog take the AoO, if that's even possible. I'll call for a high ref to verify.

[Bayar]

AoO's for animal companions should not need a handle animal check, because they act on their own will. It is like there is another combatant. While normally, you need a handle animal check to make him attack, he can attack on his own free will if the opponent triggers an AoO.

And I think that my flame should be considered a weapon, just like an inflict spell is.

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

AOO's, for mounts, is I believe, probably where we should draw the line at requiring handle animal checks. The mount is being controlled by a rider, so is not required to avoid combat. That clause implies that the mount know who its enemy is. Provided the AoO is not against an Aberration, I'm for the AoO not requiring a ride check. I'd like another opinion on this, however, as Chile has a point, and the issue isn't clear.

However, the spell bayar has in hand is capable of being delivered by a melee touch attack. Per SRD:


"Armed" Unarmed Attacks

Sometimes a character’s or creature’s unarmed attack counts as an armed attack. A monk, a character with the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, a spellcaster delivering a touch attack spell, and a creature with natural physical weapons all count as being armed.

Note that being armed counts for both offense and defense (the character can make attacks of opportunity)

Bayar is correct. Mr Underhill is entitled to an Attack of Opportunity.

[Bishop_Oz]

Lichen Mossweaver - Round 3

Alrighty! "Ah! A touch hot here now I think!"

5' step to I-8
Let's see what we can do with this Rapid Shot

First Attack:
[roll0]
Damage
[roll1]
Crit
[roll2]
Extra!
[roll3]

Second Attack:
[roll4]
Damage
[roll5]
Crit
[roll6]
Extra!
[roll7]

C'mon dice!

Stats:
Current Location: I-8
HP: 5
AC: 18 FF: 14 Touch: 14
Saves:
Fort: +2
Ref: +6
Will: +1

Okay, you know what.... this is just silly... hurry up and put me out of my incompetentness....

[Kyeudo]

GM Kyeudo


High Ref Talic

AOO's, for mounts, is I believe, probably where we should draw the line at requiring handle animal checks. The mount is being controlled by a rider, so is not required to avoid combat. That clause implies that the mount know who its enemy is. Provided the AoO is not against an Aberration, I'm for the AoO not requiring a ride check. I'd like another opinion on this, however, as Chile has a point, and the issue isn't clear.


For simplicity's sake, I'll rule that as long as a mount or animal companion has not been ordered to not attack and the creature being attacked is not an Undead or Aberration they can make AoOs just like normal characters. Animals trained to attack Undead or Aberrations (See Handle Animal skill discription) and not ordered to not attack can make AoOs as normal against all creatures.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

Thanks for the help guys. Bayar, sorry about the miscall with the touch spell.

[Bayar]

No problem chile. That stuff is bound to happen.

And I would put you out of your misery if you just stand the heck still !

Oh, and I dunno if it is legal to 5ft step from J7 to I8. You would pass through walls to do it.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

Correct, there is a hard corner there. Moving from J7, you have to move to I7, then to I8. You may take a 5' step elsewhere, or stay put and end your turn.

edit: SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/movementPositionAndDistance.htm)
Diagonals

When measuring distance, the first diagonal counts as 1 square, the second counts as 2 squares, the third counts as 1, the fourth as 2, and so on.

You can’t move diagonally past a corner (even by taking a 5-foot step). You can move diagonally past a creature, even an opponent.

You can also move diagonally past other impassable obstacles, such as pits.

[Bishop_Oz]

I-7 is fine

your turn

[Bayar]

Mr underhill - Round 3

I will try to instruct my dog to bite you.

Handle animal check: [roll0]

If succesful,Attack: [roll1]
Damage: [roll2]

Come on heart of the die, help me out here !

Edit: Thank you. Not done. The dog will attempt to trip you.
As for me...move action to draw Scimitar. Standard to attack you as well (if ride check is succesful).

See next post.

[Bayar]

Dog trip attempt: [roll0] Make STR or DEX opposed check, whichever has the highest bonus. If you fail, you are prone.

On the attack roll in the previous posts, it should have been +3. Counted bonus wrong,but it still hits.

Ride check to try and attack you with my schimy: [roll1]
If succesful:

Attack:[roll2]
Damage:[roll3]

Come on. I belive in the power of the dice. They will help me now.

Edit: So I manage to slice the air near you. From my calculations, you are disabled. (0 HP, only move or standard action).

Stats:
HP:9/11
AC: 17 T: 12 FF: 16
Spells:
0lvl: guidance, guidance , resistance
1st level: cure light wounds , magic fang

[Bishop_Oz]

So I need to make an opposed str/dex check or be prone.

Soooo....

[roll0]

And I'm on mah Back, woo?

[Bishop_Oz]

Okay...
For the Refs:
Could I reasonably use an arrow as an improvised stabbing weapon?

As I lay here contemplating how this all went so horribly wrong.... HAHA!!!!

I'll have to get back to you Bayar :smallbiggrin:

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

@Bishop:Per SRD, yes, arrows may be used as an improvised weapon (-4 to hit, damage as dagger), and if they hit their target, they are destroyed.

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper

bayar
I'm following the match, and I'm a little confused. You rolled a Ride check to attack with your Scimitar, why?
edit: sorry didn't see the second page, I'm referring to the last post of page 1

Just a question, continue the match.

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

@Refs, Bayar:Per SRD:
"Fight with Warhorse

If you direct your war-trained mount to attack in battle, you can still make your own attack or attacks normally. This usage is a free action."

Direct your mount to attack = Handle animal check.
Fight when your mount does = DC 10 Ride check.

Just a clarification, don't mind me. Keep on doin' what it is you're doing.

[Bayar]

It is still your turn.

[Bishop_Oz]

For the Refs:
This is going to be kinda dicey, but I don't see why this wouldn't work. I will ready an attack against Mr. Underhill when he/his dog attack me. This does count as making 2 actions in a round, yes?

I'll need some confirmation here. from a Ref.

However, for my action.

Free Action - Drop da bow (like it's been good for me so far)
Move Action - Draw the Sword! (boy that thing's dusty)

"Come'n get me little man" :smallamused:

Stats:
Current Location: I-8
HP: 0
AC: 18 FF: 14 Touch: 14
Saves:
Fort: +2
Ref: +6
Will: +1

[chilepepper]

ref chilepepper
LichenFirst things first. It has been ruled that Readying an Action is not spoilerable. If in LoS, you have to say

Standard Action: Ready an Action
Spoiler your conditions and the action you are readying.

Secondly, I'm a little confused as to what you're asking, but I'll try and answer as broadly as possible. If Mr.Underhill and his mount attack, that is two separate attacks that happen on the same round. There are checks that need to be made in order for both to attack, you can reference the SRD on Ride and Handle Animal. There's also a section on Mounted Combat.

When you ready an action, it is technically "If X happens, I do Y." X can be anything as specific as 'if joe performs a standard attack with a dagger from the square B1' to as broad as 'if I'm attacked'. Y has to be a standard, move, or free action and can include a 5'step with that action.

Once the trigger occurs, you either take the readied action, or you loose it. The readied action occurs immediately before whatever triggered it.

If whatever triggered it is still possible after the readied action, it must be performed. (e.g. Joe moves to A1. Fred takes his readied action. If Joe can still move to A1, he has to make the move.)

So you're readied action is legal as follows:
"You will attack Mr.Underhill if you are attacked by Mr.Underhill or his dog."

Confirmation has been made and Lichen's move is ammended to include:

Standard Action: Ready an action

It is now Mr. Underhill's turn.

[Bayar]

Tehnically, you can only take a move or standard action when disabled (0 HP). When you take a standard action, you become disabled. So, if you ready an action, attack or do any other standard action, you drop to -1. So that means...:smallamused: ...you cant ready an action.

My turn, and I will try to finish yo off.

Mr Underhill - Round 4

Riding dog attack rolls
Handle animal check : [roll]1d20+1]/roll]
Attack: [roll0]
Damage:[roll1]

My attack rolls
Ride check:[roll2]
Attack:[roll3]
Damage:[roll4]

Stats:
HP:9/11
AC: 17 T: 12 FF: 16
Spells:
0lvl: guidance, guidance , resistance
1st level: cure light wounds , magic fang

[Bayar]

Handle animal check again :smallannoyed: [roll0]

My dog kills you. Since your AC drops to 14 from being prone in melee, a 16is enough to send you into "Negative HP land".

And since you cant eady an action while disabled and draw your sword, and not being able to use your bow while being prone, I would say that you are indeed without a hope.

[Bishop_Oz]

Wooo!!!! I do here by declare Mr. Frodo Underhill the Victor. Though I do believe I did lose before the dog could finish me off. Something I was hoping a ref could tell me about. Anyway, well fought and darned cursed dice!!!

I shall wait here until the cute nurses come to carry me away to an apothecary.:smallbiggrin:

Enjoy your spoils :smallcool:

[Talic]

High Ref Talic

Unless either player sees a reason that the match isn't over...

Bayar is declared the winner, and receives his prizes.

(edit: Calls for the cute nurses.)