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cupkeyk
2008-04-05, 09:45 AM
According to Crystalkeep (http://crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Classes-Prestige.pdf), the minimum level to enter ur-priest is sorc 13. Is this correct? I thought a sorc can enter it at 9, just like anyone else can...

I am basically making a kobold sorcerer 9/ Ur-priest 1/ Mystic Theurge 10. My feats will be Educated, Draconic Reservoir, aside from the prerequisite Iron Will and Spell Focus (evil). Educated nets me all knowledges as class skills while Draconic Reservoir from the Races of the Dragon web Enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) lets me get the Greater Draconic Rite of passage so I have no caster level loss from taking the Ur-priest dip.

Illiterate Scribe
2008-04-05, 09:48 AM
Ye heavens, what? A DM is actually allowing you to make the 20/20 casting character?

Kurald Galain
2008-04-05, 10:05 AM
According to Crystalkeep (http://crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Classes-Prestige.pdf), the minimum level to enter ur-priest is sorc 13. Is this correct?

Yes, because normally, a sorcerer doesn't have Knowledge: Religion on his class list.

cupkeyk
2008-04-05, 10:09 AM
Yes, because normally, a sorcerer doesn't have Knowledge: Religion on his class list.

Ah, I see. It wouldn't work without education

bugsysservant
2008-04-05, 10:34 AM
Well, you could pick up the CCham ACF which allows you to gain a domain at the price of spells known. If you pick Knowledge, all knowledge skills are class skills (well, it does say add them to your "cleric" skill list, but any DM that doesn't allow you to add them to your sorcerer list when you gain a domain probably shouldn't be DMing.)

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-04-05, 10:45 AM
Or take a level of Human Paragon.

Kurald Galain
2008-04-05, 10:48 AM
Or take a level of Human Paragon.

Or, you know, be a Wizard :smallbiggrin:

cupkeyk
2008-04-05, 11:02 AM
Human paragon is another caster level loss, and well i am a kobold, so I don't qualify for the class. -_-

I would prefer sorceror because managing my spells for both a wizard and an urpriest is asking to go insane

Chronos
2008-04-05, 11:30 AM
I am basically making a kobold sorcerer 9/ Ur-priest 1/ Mystic Theurge 10.Note that you'll need two levels of Ur-priest before Mystic Theurge, to meet the "able to cast 2nd-level divine spells" prerequisite.

Chosen_of_Vecna
2008-04-05, 11:31 AM
1) technically he'd only ever be able to manage a 19/10 casting. (Yes then 10 is Ur-Priest and basically a 20.)

2) Why not grab a level of Mindbender much earlier to actually get some Ur-Priest levels before they become sucktasticly average?

Kurald Galain
2008-04-05, 11:35 AM
How does this sound...

Warlock 4, anything with a good fort save 1, Ur-Priest 2, Eldritch Disciple 8?

Gets you the higher-level stuff all that much sooner. And, warlock doesn't need memorization, and has all the necessary skills on its class list. And Eldritch Disciple is better than Mystic Theurge.

(edit) oh yeah, Ur-Priest only goes up to ten, so neither this nor your original build can grab 10 levels of the "combo" class. But then, most campaigns won't hit 20 anyway.

TempusCCK
2008-04-05, 04:58 PM
Ur-Priest, am i missing something Yes, a Deity, and a sensible build.

Zincorium
2008-04-05, 05:04 PM
Bard 8/ur priest 2/sublime chord 2/mystic theurge 8.

Any questions?

bugsysservant
2008-04-05, 05:09 PM
Bard 8/ur priest 2/sublime chord 2/mystic theurge 8.

Any questions?

Does "How do you manage to sleep at night?" qualify?

Zincorium
2008-04-05, 05:14 PM
Does "How do you manage to sleep at night?" qualify?

Acquire the necropolitan template. Don't worry about the sleep issue.

Kurald Galain
2008-04-05, 05:15 PM
Bard 8/ur priest 2/sublime chord 2/mystic theurge 8.

I see your Sublime Chord and rise you an Omnicaster. Check my sig for details.

Chosen_of_Vecna
2008-04-05, 05:19 PM
I don't think it really counts as a raise if you add in gestalt.

Kurald Galain
2008-04-05, 05:20 PM
I don't think it really counts as a raise if you add in gestalt.

Sure it does. In poker, six aces beats five aces.

bugsysservant
2008-04-05, 05:22 PM
Sure it does. In poker, six aces beats five aces.

Well, six aces is all well and good, but you can't claim you win with it if you had previously been playing chess.

The_Snark
2008-04-05, 05:24 PM
Especially not gestalt that completely ignores the rule on not allowing two prestige classes at once and the reccomendation about not permitting double-progression prestige classes.

Kurald Galain
2008-04-05, 05:25 PM
Especially not gestalt that completely ignores the rule on not allowing two prestige classes at once and the reccomendation about not permitting double-progression prestige classes.

I think you're missing the point here :smalltongue:

Bag_of_Holding
2008-04-05, 05:28 PM
Bard 8/ur priest 2/sublime chord 2/mystic theurge 8.

Any questions?


Better yet, Bard 1/Duskblade 1/Sorcerer 1/Beguiler 1/Warmage 1/Specialist Wizard 3/Master Specialist 2/Ur-priest 1/Sublime Chord 1/Mystic Theurge 8

Sublime chord 'resets' all arcane caster levels to the chosen arcane spellcasting class level + SC caster level (in this case 5 + 9 = 14). With 7 arcane casting classes (beguiler, duskblade, sorcerer, bard, warmage, wizard and sublime chord) contributing 7 CL (14/2) each to CL of Ur-priest, ur-priest CL would be 58 with 9th level spell casting.

You can potentially one-shot a great wyrm gold dragon with Blasphemy spell with that!


p.s. Hmm, let's add Bead of Karma to boost the CL by 14 (+4 CL to sublime chord CL = +4/2x7 CL for Ur-priest) for 10 minutes!

p.s.2 You can safely drop sorcerer level to gain 2nd level of ur-priest to qualify for DMM trick.

p.s.3 this build is unplayable before level 19/20 ish, so not very practical at all.

p.s.4 You'll have to be a human and take Able Learner at 1st level.

p.s.5 I changed the first level class from beguiler to bard, as I found out Perform was not on beguiler's skill list.

Chronos
2008-04-05, 05:58 PM
Better yet, Bard 1/Duskblade 1/Sorcerer 1/Beguiler 1/Warmage 1/Specialist Wizard 3/Master Specialist 2/Ur-priest 1/Sublime Chord 1/Mystic Theurge 8

Sublime chord 'resets' all arcane caster levels to the chosen arcane spellcasting class level + SC caster level (in this case 5 + 9 = 14).I think you can do even better than that (if your goal is just to get the Ur-priest caster level as high as possible), using Master Spellthief. That adds all of your arcane casting classes together, and uses that as the CL for all of them.

That is, if Ur-Priest is based on caster level... But I think it's actually "levels in spellcasting classes", so tricks like that won't work.

Bag_of_Holding
2008-04-05, 05:59 PM
That is, if Ur-Priest is based on caster level... But I think it's actually "levels in spellcasting classes", so tricks like that won't work.

Yeah, I guess so... :smallsigh:

Jack_Simth
2008-04-05, 09:12 PM
Bard 8/ur priest 2/sublime chord 2/mystic theurge 8.

Any questions?

Why not Savage Bard 5/Ur-Priest 2/Mystic Theurge 3 (Ur-Priest/Savage Bard)/Sublime Chord-2/Mystic Theurge- 4-8 (Ur-Priest/Sublime Chord)/Archmage (Sublime Chord)-3?