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RationalGoblin
2008-04-05, 06:47 PM
Hello, everyone on the Arts and Crafts forum. It's been a long time since I've been here.

I come here once more because I have an urge to make a webcomic, but as I am no artist, I require assistance.

A few of you may think you remember that I was once trying to create a Pokemon webcomic. You are correct. I am restarting the effort to make it once more, but I need help.

Instead of in PMs to one person, who, a little while after I send him/her the PMs, drops off the face of the earth, I will plainly state the details of the webcomic in this thread, so that a caring people can help me. (Mostly, I'll just copy-paste PMed questions and my answers to them, but anyone can ask questions if they want)

Maryring's questions (Keep in mind, this is from 9 months ago)


1: What kind of world is this? Is it similar to the games, the anime or the manga. Do humans and pokemon coexist, do they live separately or are they more like enemies? Can a human just walk past a charizard as if it was a kitten, or should he actually be careful?

Probably a mix of mainly the manga, (though I don't know much about the manga) then the game, and the least influence in the anime. (I depise the anime because it's too light-hearted (I.E. generally nothing bad ever permantly happens, the characters don't seem to have an influence on the world), it's jokes aren't even funny, the voices are annoying, and etc.)) 'course, comedys always good, so we need to come up with some humor. Perhaps a comic relief character or a running gag involving the main character and pain? (I'm being intentionally vague, as I can't think of a good starting point for humor.) This comic willl be darker then the anime, but not too dark.

Humans and Pokemon will co-exist, sometimes peacefully, mainly not. (For example, Mewtwo or a Mewtwo-like character, and humans who hate Pokemon) The Charizard will most likely try to eat the human passing by, though, so the human should be careful.

2: Do pokemon speak, or only those intelligent enough or none of them? Will there be a translation for the readers?

All Pokemon will speak, but the less intelligent ones will interject there name into random sentences. The most intelligent ones will use big words, and only state their name when they are asked to.

3: What's the gender of the protagonist? Is there only one, or is there several protagonists?

There will be three primary protaganists, one female, two male. I have plans for the protaganists, but if you (anyone helping me) want, YOU could basically insert yourself as a fourth, but still important protagonist.


4: What is the protagonist? A pokemon trainer, catcher, breeder, researcher, specialist etc.?

The main primary male protaganist will have mainly psychic and dark pokemon, starting with Ralts, and be a researcher, the female will have mainly rock/ground pokemon, starting with a low-level Onix, and be an (almost) normal trainer, and the third protaganist will have all different type pokemon and a Ghastly (important to the story), and his profession will be a gym apprentice down on his luck.

I'm aiming towards the psychic user to be a sort of sarcastic, if "nerdish" character, the female to be a happy-go-lucky scavenger type, and the water user to be a rather depressed and mysterious.

3 Questions by Dispozition

1. Any idea of how long it would run and how often would it update per week?


It would run pretty long, as I have a massive plot that Maryring (EDIT: ME, as Maryring seems to have dropped off the face of the earth) has the details of. Probably updated twice a week, (EDIT: ONCE a week) Tuesday and Friday. (EDIT: FRIDAY)

2. What style of art is it? Tradition manga style, chibi like, realistic?

Whatever you (EDIT: This is a question for the artist) want, but I'd prefer a mix between manga and realistic. Honestly, the style you like will be fine.

3. Where would you be hosting it?

Smackjeeves, a site for hosting comics.

Finally, a more recent question from radialskippy:

Hi there, I'm interested in your webcomic about pokemon, and I'd like to give you a suggestion, if you'd like it, for a strip someday...

Have you ever tried to catch a pokemon with more than one dozen pokéballs? Have you ever wondered what happens with the used pokeballs? Does the player just leave it there, as garbage, or are they recycled someday? Because even if you didn't catch the pokemon, your balls number gets reduced...


How about this: Each pokeball is a pocket dimension that can hold any amount of weight. However, due to unknown properties of the pocket space, it has to "attune" to something, and only one thing. It also has to hit the thing with the little button in the middle of a pokeball. Objects that it hits, but not with the button are still "attuned", but cannot carry the object. For some strange reason, the only things the pokeballs can attune to are Pokemon.

By the way, the Webcomics title is Pokemon Nightmares, and any further detail on the plot that is needed will be given to whoever becomes the co-creator of the webcomic.

Dallas-Dakota
2008-04-06, 01:52 AM
This looks like lots of fun and I would offer to co-author it but, I don't have time for it, or I'd have to drop something else, and I don't want to give up Ironwraught.

So... I'l be watching it, PM or post a link here when the comic's up please.

onasuma
2008-04-06, 04:59 AM
Well, i would have recommended saturn (like last time :smalltongue: ) but hes gone.
I havent actually had much to do comic wise for a while now. Ill offer my services. Probably oots ish with non-stick legs and arms, or if you would prefer boardering on an erf style. I can do either, but erf ones would take longer, as templates would be of no use to me.

RationalGoblin
2008-04-06, 12:04 PM
Well, i would have recommended saturn (like last time :smalltongue: ) but hes gone.
I havent actually had much to do comic wise for a while now. Ill offer my services. Probably oots ish with non-stick legs and arms, or if you would prefer boardering on an erf style. I can do either, but erf ones would take longer, as templates would be of no use to me.

Hmmm... Oots style pokemon? Intriguing. If you could post on this thread/PM me an example of what your going to draw (say, a stickified Ash Ketchum and Pikachu) then I could more easily see if you're the artist I want. Is that alright?

Nameless
2008-04-06, 12:22 PM
Smackjeeves has it's ups and it's downs.

RationalGoblin
2008-04-06, 12:26 PM
Smackjeeves has it's ups and it's downs.

Indeed it does, it was merely the first comic hosting site I found that worked, so therefore I use it.

Is there a better site for hosting that doesn't require money and whatnot?

Sneak
2008-04-06, 12:31 PM
You could try ComicGenesis (http://www.comicgenesis.com/) and see which one you like better.

Nameless
2008-04-06, 12:52 PM
Indeed it does, it was merely the first comic hosting site I found that worked, so therefore I use it.

Is there a better site for hosting that doesn't require money and whatnot?

Well, I've been useing it for over a year now, and the only problem is, when you want to upload comics that are computer genorated, which is why my ones are very poor quality, as I have to print them off and re-scan it, then upload.

Unless you pay.

Also, making custom pages is a nightmare.

@Sneak: Never really got the hang of Comic Genesis.

Sneak
2008-04-06, 01:03 PM
Well, I've been useing it for over a year now, and the only problem is, when you want to upload comics that are computer genorated, which is why my ones are very poor quality, as I have to print them off and re-scan it, then upload.

Unless you pay.

Wait, what? I think I'm missing something. I don't really understand what you're saying. My old comic (http://halfwit.smackjeeves.com/) was done entirely on the computer, and it uploaded just fine.


Also, making custom pages is a nightmare.

Well, depends on how complicated you want it to be. It's not always that hard.


@Sneak: Never really got the hang of Comic Genesis.

Yeah, it seems a lot less intuitive than Smackjeeves.

My main problem with Smackjeeves is that your comic site seems less like an individual site and more like just one insignificant page on a larger site. Comicgenesis has less of that feeling.

Nameless
2008-04-06, 01:22 PM
Wait, what? I think I'm missing something. I don't really understand what you're saying. My old comic (http://halfwit.smackjeeves.com/) was done entirely on the computer, and it uploaded just fine.



Well, depends on how complicated you want it to be. It's not always that hard.



Yeah, it seems a lot less intuitive than Smackjeeves.

My main problem with Smackjeeves is that your comic site seems less like an individual site and more like just one insignificant page on a larger site. Comicgenesis has less of that feeling.


Did you donate?

Heh, this looks good actually, it has me in it! :smallbiggrin:

Sneak
2008-04-06, 01:40 PM
Hehe.

Nope, not a dime. Or a nickel. Or a cent. Or a ha'penny.

Anyway, a question actually relevant to the topic: just to make sure, this hypothetical comic would be more plot/story/drama-related than humor-related, correct?

RationalGoblin
2008-04-06, 02:54 PM
Hehe.

Nope, not a dime. Or a nickel. Or a cent. Or a ha'penny.

Anyway, a question actually relevant to the topic: just to make sure, this hypothetical comic would be more plot/story/drama-related than humor-related, correct?

Correct. There's going to be a few running gags, but it will be mostly serious.

Nameless
2008-04-06, 03:44 PM
Hehe.

Nope, not a dime. Or a nickel. Or a cent. Or a ha'penny.

Anyway, a question actually relevant to the topic: just to make sure, this hypothetical comic would be more plot/story/drama-related than humor-related, correct?

Then how do you do it? Whenever I upload it straight from the computer it say's "You've exeded the limeted blah blah blah---- If you would like to upload more BECOME A DONATOR!..." :smallannoyed:

Sneak
2008-04-06, 03:57 PM
Hmm.

Well, I'm guessing that would just have to do with the file size, then. How large are the files?

Oh, and CFG: thanks for clearing that up.

Wreckingrocc
2008-04-06, 05:22 PM
Heh.. Serious Pokemon. Heh-heh... Ash Ketchup... Heh-heh

RationalGoblin
2008-04-06, 06:17 PM
Heh.. Serious Pokemon. Heh-heh... Ash Ketchup... Heh-heh

Actually, in the plot (the only pieces of it I'm willing to spoil for everyone) Ash Ketchum is long dead. The setting will take place anywhere between 100-1000 years after a BFC (Big Freaking Catastrope) [TM] happened, which involved Ash dieing.

As I said before, whoever becomes the artist will be given (In PMs, not PMS) more information about the plot. Otherwise, I'm not about to tell anything.

Wreckingrocc
2008-04-06, 06:20 PM
Actually Ash dying wouldn't be a catastrophe. Everyone would throw a party. I'd make it a holiday.

RationalGoblin
2008-04-06, 07:29 PM
Actually Ash dying wouldn't be a catastrophe. Everyone would throw a party. I'd make it a holiday.

Nah, hes a worldwide hero in my plot, because he (and Pikachu) gave their lives to stop an even more horrifying disaster then the catastrophe. (The catastrophe made it so that technology in my world is only now becoming as good as the normal Pokemon world is now) Also, no more info about the plot.

He may be annoying, but hey, in the anime/cartoon and manga, he was always a hero, right? So he gets a hero's death.

Still, as a running gag, I might have the main characters find old journals by rival's (who isn't) of Ash's, detailing how annoying he was.

onasuma
2008-04-07, 02:39 PM
Hmmm... Oots style pokemon? Intriguing. If you could post on this thread/PM me an example of what your going to draw (say, a stickified Ash Ketchum and Pikachu) then I could more easily see if you're the artist I want. Is that alright?

Sorry, new comp and stuff. Might have a first sketch up tomorrow.

Brickwall
2008-04-07, 02:55 PM
I hope you're not refering to me, because you directed me to Maryring for more information, and she was remarkably silent. Not that I have any time to dedicate to you now. Still, if anyone wants to see my concept sketch for the main character, I'd be willing to show it to them.

RationalGoblin
2008-04-07, 04:34 PM
I hope you're not refering to me, because you directed me to Maryring for more information, and she was remarkably silent. Not that I have any time to dedicate to you now. Still, if anyone wants to see my concept sketch for the main character, I'd be willing to show it to them.

Nah, it wasn't you. Maryring was the one that dropped off the face of the earth, and so did my comic as we were planning to be co-authors. I've learned my lesson. I'll start the webcomic when I (and the artist) want to, and I won't wait for anyone. (except the artist, of course.)

Coincidently, I lost the link to the sketch of the main character a long time ago, so I'd like to see it again, Brickwall, thanks.

InaVegt
2008-04-07, 08:27 PM
If I were to have a way of getting art online, I'd be interested in doing this, but, alas, I can't figure out how to get this scanner to work, and have no tablet.

Dallas-Dakota
2008-04-08, 09:00 AM
Inkscape? (inkscape.org) Free, easy to understand. And Trazoi's thread is on the first page of A&C forums to. So :smallbiggrin: :smallconfused:

InaVegt
2008-04-08, 10:13 AM
Inkscape? (inkscape.org) Free, easy to understand. And Trazoi's thread is on the first page of A&C forums to. So :smallbiggrin: :smallconfused:

I don't do OotS style, I have my own drawing style, and I cannot do it with a mouse.

Maulrus
2008-04-08, 06:55 PM
If I were to have a way of getting art online, I'd be interested in doing this, but, alas, I can't figure out how to get this scanner to work, and have no tablet.

Either figure out how to use the scanner and Photoshop (or GIMP), or get a cheap-ass small Wacom for like $100.

I'm interested in seeing your drawings.

onasuma
2008-04-09, 06:36 AM
Rough sketch of the dark guy. Just to see if my styles what your after (or not, and then i can try something else)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o151/pal153/Darkguy.png

Dallas-Dakota
2008-04-09, 08:21 AM
I donīt recognize the middle one:smallconfused: And I know all pokemon, until ehm, Ruby or something, I donīt know the the new pokemon from after that.

onasuma
2008-04-09, 09:01 AM
The middle is a drapion. It is a poison dark ogre scorp pokemon. It is on average 4ft3" and weighs around 135lb. Its head rotates 180 degrees, eliminating blind spots for combat advantage and it has the power in its clawed arms to make scrap of a car.

Brickwall
2008-04-09, 09:48 AM
Here is a link to a grayscale depiction of Alexander, the main character. The glasses are red-tinted, the rest is unimportant.

http://vriatix.deviantart.com/art/Alexander-2nd-pass-60865661

Click image for larger.

Skippy
2008-04-09, 10:42 AM
The middle is a drapion. It is a poison dark ogre scorp pokemon. It is on average 4ft3" and weighs around 135lb. Its head rotates 180 degrees, eliminating blind spots for combat advantage and it has the power in its clawed arms to make scrap of a car.

You also missed to mention it didn't appear before Diamond/Pearl, it's #452 in the pokedex and it is the evolution of Skorupi.

Dallas-Dakota
2008-04-09, 11:06 AM
You also missed to mention it didn't appear before Diamond/Pearl, it's #452 in the pokedex and it is the evolution of Skorupi.

I knew I know my pokemon well, I havenīt updated to that version yet...

Arenīt well little geeks now:smalltongue: Even Brickīs sketch looks like one...

RationalGoblin
2008-04-10, 06:46 PM
Rough sketch of the dark guy. Just to see if my styles what your after (or not, and then i can try something else)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o151/pal153/Darkguy.png

Hmm... Pretty good. I like it. However, I'll wait a week or so for any other user that wants to try out of the position of artists.

Wreckingrocc
2008-04-10, 08:38 PM
You know the 'Ash and Pikachu are heroes because they died to help everyone' subplot?

Change it to Joe Schmoe and Wynaut.

Nobody likes Heinz Ketchup.

I mean Ash Ketchup.

And Pikachu is so overused...

RationalGoblin
2008-04-10, 09:10 PM
You know the 'Ash and Pikachu are heroes because they died to help everyone' subplot?

Change it to Joe Schmoe and Wynaut.

Nobody likes Heinz Ketchup.

I mean Ash Ketchup.

And Pikachu is so overused...

You can stop with the Ash-hating now, we get it, you hate him and Pikachu. However, Ash is a hero in the Pokemon world, and I'm treating him as such. Though, from what plot I've managed to cobble together, most of the people in the comic will not care that he was a hero, even if everyone gets a day off on the anniversary of Ash's sacrifice. Most people will go "Hey neat, he saved the world and we get a free day off."

A few minor character may build shrines to Ash, and other minor characters will hate him quite a lot, but mostly, the comic will ignore Ash.

Satisfied? (I planned this all out before you even started complaining, by the way, so no one can accuse me of pandering to him.)

Wreckingrocc
2008-04-10, 09:16 PM
He Is Ketchup!

Admiral_Kelly
2008-04-10, 09:21 PM
It might be best to leave the character out entirely. People will get upset you used the character at all; and other would be upset you killed him off. Not that you should pander to the base; but if there is no reason to put him in the comic and its going to drive away readers you should consider taking him out.

RationalGoblin
2008-04-10, 10:09 PM
It might be best to leave the character out entirely. People will get upset you used the character at all; and other would be upset you killed him off. Not that you should pander to the base; but if there is no reason to put him in the comic and its going to drive away readers you should consider taking him out.

Hmm.. then I seem to have hit my first snag in the webcomic, because a great deal of the plot centers around a descendant and an ancient foe of Ash (yes I know it's cheesy). Hmm.. If it's really going to be that bad, I'll rework the plot and take out a few characters.

Dallas-Dakota
2008-04-11, 12:17 AM
Can you mention that I killed him, I need that.

draconicgodking
2008-04-12, 02:04 PM
well crazy i think its a good idea to start a pokemon comic
i would help you out in drawing it but i suck at artistry.
however i have nearly every pokemon game in existence, seen the anime and read the manga to the latest edition and would be willing to spare some free time to be a consultant or a ghost writer if you think that writing by yourself will get to stressful also i asure you i wont drop off the face of the earth because when i start somthing i finish it period.
thanks for taking the time to read this post wich is longer than it should be since i cant honestly say crazy long anymore
ps. tired the person or people who started that one post you put a link to are insane!!who the hell would read all that

Wreckingrocc
2008-04-12, 02:30 PM
'Crazy Long'?

Lolz

This is at least 100 times longer than that per person (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32654&page=38)

onasuma
2008-04-15, 04:08 PM
Doesnt look like anyone else is gonna try. Do i get it, or are you gonna wait a bit more?

RationalGoblin
2008-04-15, 09:41 PM
Yep, you get the job. Welcome aboard, onasuma!

Nameless
2008-04-16, 02:18 AM
He Is Ketchup!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x203/tomshaer/KETCHUP.png

:smalltongue:

Dallas-Dakota
2008-04-16, 07:40 AM
who the hell would read all that

I did. I also posted in it a few time, ctrl F Dallas-Dakota and you should see it around 3 times in it.

draconicgodking
2008-04-18, 07:06 PM
well now that the artist is decided (at least i think it has) when is the first strip going to upload?

onasuma
2008-04-19, 03:52 AM
Not for a while. I have exams the next two weeks. Also, i've Pm'd CFG once, but i havent had any responce. That was 3 days ago.