Just wondering, who will be the next "queen" of Azure City?

[paladinofshojo]

I'm just wondering, since Hinjo hasn't shown much plot development (besides his leadership and judgement as a ruler), I mean he was able to maintain an inhumanly act of calmness and rational judgement even when his UNCLE was assasinated before him! But I'm just wondering if he'll ever find a suitable consort if he is ever able to reclaim his homeland, if so, who do you guys think it'll be?

[tyckspoon]

The forum's favored bet is Lien.

[NikkTheTrick]

*Makes inhumane effort to avoid saying the M word*

However, what about Belkar? After all, protecting Belka from you know whom might change Hinjo's rank from "hate" to "lust" :smallbiggrin:

[Mewtarthio]

Shojo never had a consort. That's why his nephew took the throne, instead of his son.

But still, I vote Tsukiko.

[Gamerlord]

miko :smallbiggrin:
yeah i'm twisted and by miko i mean ZOMBIE miko....did i just cast "summon house of horrors" by accident :smalleek:

[Chronos]

I think Lien is really the only choice. If he marries a noble, it'll set off all sorts of political problems with that noblewoman's house's rivals, and he can't really afford to appear to favor one house over another right now. But if he marries a commoner, that would set off another set of political problems, in that many nobles would think it unseemly of him to marry below his station. And, of course, if he doesn't marry at all, they'll say he's negligent in his duty to produce an heir.

If, however, he marries another paladin, all of these problems go away. A comrade in arms who has proven herself in battle is hardly beneath his station (even if she is lower level), and no noble who wants to maintain the pretext of being Lawful Good (as of course all of them do) can object to the decision, either.

And Lien is, to our knowledge, the only Sapphire Guardswoman to have survived the battle, and she's had plenty of opportunity to get to know Hinjo on their exodus at sea.

[Surfing HalfOrc]

THERKLA!!! Yeah dawg! :smallbiggrin:

Actually, Lien is the current favorite, but not many other women have been seen in the position of being in a possible romantic/political relationship with Hinjo.

Not ALL the nobles are opposed to Hinjo, just Lord Kubota and his cronys. While we've only seen Kazumi and Daigo, many/most of the nobles will at least "appear" to support Hinjo, unless it looks like Kubota has a real chance of changing the status quo.

[Yendor]

Once Kubota's treason is exposed, it'll be much easier for Hinjo to get the rest of the nobles behind him, especially if he retakes the city. Few of them are likely to want to be seen as supporting a known traitor who actively impeded the city's defense by attacking the commander.

[Pronounceable]

I don't think it'll be relevant. Hinjo is far too busy atm to think about his heir. And by the time Azure City is taken back (which seem less likely than ever thanks to recent revelations from Redcloak) and things settle down enough for Hinjo to think about his marital status, many years will pass. Enough to end the strip. Probably.

Or he may marry someone from the opposite noble camp to show the spirit of unity. Kubota may have a suitable daughter for all we know.

And Lien is a commoner, child of fishermen. Nobles would mind that.

[Rockphed]

And Lien is a commoner, child of fishermen. Nobles would mind that.

Nobles who do might find themselves threatened with gutting if they mind too much.

[tyckspoon]

Lien's also a paladin. They appear to be somewhat outside of or above the normal classes. After all, would you want to be the guy who says, on the record, that one of the champions of the gods isn't good enough or of high enough class to help lead your city? (It might be true, we've already seen the typical paladinic mindset isn't well suited to governance.. but it'd be a PR disaster.)

[slayerx]

Who would Hinjo take as his queen? With a charisma score like his, any woman her damn well wants :smallwink:

Though ya, frankly i don't see anyone because there is no woman available... the only one around that actually has a name would be Lien... and frankly, that would be too predictable/cliche' imo...

She's the only other female of any amount of importance, She's paladin like Hinjo, she's commoner which smacks in the face of nobles, and she's around Hinjo... OMG they gonna fall in love... just too predictable...

[mikeejimbo]

Love has nothing to do with it, of course, if he and Lien fell in love that would just be a bonus. As it is, she's pretty much the only choice. They could do worse.

However, I'm hoping that the answer is "No one, because Azure city belongs to Hobgoblins now."

[slayerx]

Love has nothing to do with it
:smallconfused:
Lien's not the last woman on earth, and he's not exactly in a rush to get a queen y'know... you make it sound like he has no choice in the matter... There are a few thousand citizens still alive and Hinjo can have anyone one of them. Why force himself into a loveless marriage, when he has plenty of time to find someone he actually loves?

And if we're looking at a loveless marriage, then were looking at something more like marrying a noble woman... Not all the nobles are against Hinjo and there are probably a few good ones amognst them (we haven't exactly seen all the nobles and their families)... Or perhaps offering to marry a noble/princess from another nation; old fashioned practice for maintaining/creating good relations with foreign nations... Really, a loveless Marriage is generally meant to be productive in some way, and when it comes to that he could do better than Lien as marrying Lien would do nothing except provide and Heir which ANY woman could do; Lien is more the type he should get with only because he loves her...

[EvilElitest]

I'm just wondering, since Hinjo hasn't shown much plot development (besides his leadership and judgement as a ruler), I mean he was able to maintain an inhumanly act of calmness and rational judgement even when his UNCLE was assasinated before him! But I'm just wondering if he'll ever find a suitable consort if he is ever able to reclaim his homeland, if so, who do you guys think it'll be?

I wouldn't call that inhuman that is part of being a paladin
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[mikeejimbo]

:smallconfused:
Lien's not the last woman on earth, and he's not exactly in a rush to get a queen y'know... you make it sound like he has no choice in the matter... There are a few thousand citizens still alive and Hinjo can have anyone one of them. Why force himself into a loveless marriage, when he has plenty of time to find someone he actually loves?

And if we're looking at a loveless marriage, then were looking at something more like marrying a noble woman... Not all the nobles are against Hinjo and there are probably a few good ones amognst them (we haven't exactly seen all the nobles and their families)... Or perhaps offering to marry a noble/princess from another nation; old fashioned practice for maintaining/creating good relations with foreign nations... Really, a loveless Marriage is generally meant to be productive in some way, and when it comes to that he could do better than Lien as marrying Lien would do nothing except provide and Heir which ANY woman could do; Lien is more the type he should get with only because he loves her...

I was going with the earlier arguments about why he should marry Lien, though. If he marries a noble woman he estranges the other noble houses; if he marries a commoner then he angers all the houses. A noble from another nation, I could see, but as it is I agree that his only real choice is Lien. Not that I'd complain if I were him. :smallwink:

[slayerx]

I was going with the earlier arguments about why he should marry Lien, though. If he marries a noble woman he estranges the other noble houses; if he marries a commoner then he angers all the houses. A noble from another nation, I could see, but as it is I agree that his only real choice is Lien. Not that I'd complain if I were him. :smallwink:

i see... well i wouldn't really say marrying one of the noble women would necessarily estrange him from the other houses... not sure, but i imagine that way back when it was common practice for a royalty of nobles within the realm; i would doubt that they would always look to other nations for a proper wife... In fact, the noble family's would expect Hinjo to take a wife from one of them, as it is expected that the prince would marry a noble... They would much rather prefer Hinjo marry a noble from another family than to marry any kind of commoner...

In fact, marrying Lien could potentially result in estranging all of them... I mean, it's one thing for the nobles to find that their daughter looses to another of noble blood, but it's rather insulting to find that their daughter lost to a commoner... The azurites may love the paladins, but i imagine that the nobles still think themselves better... Just as Kubota was outraged over commoners being given nobility, the nobles may reject to their Queen being of common blood

[mikeejimbo]

That's true too, actually. I'm pretty sure he would anger them if he didn't choose a daughter of theirs, though. I mean, even if that's common, it also seems common in this city for the noble houses to be constantly against not only one another, but the rightful rule of the city. Maybe that's why Shojo didn't have an heir, come to think of it.

[Jayngfet]

I think hinjo has another group of shippers to deal with at the moment.

[kpenguin]

THERKLA!!! Yeah dawg! :smallbiggrin:

Actually, Lien is the current favorite, but not many other women have been seen in the position of being in a possible romantic/political relationship with Hinjo.

Not ALL the nobles are opposed to Hinjo, just Lord Kubota and his cronys. While we've only seen Kazumi and Daigo, many/most of the nobles will at least "appear" to support Hinjo, unless it looks like Kubota has a real chance of changing the status quo.

Bah. Everyone knows that Lien is Therkla!:smallbiggrin:

[David Argall]

About the only things Lien has going for her is that she is female and one of the good guys. That means the odds are way against her.
If we are being realistic, Hinjo will marry a princess from another city. This provides major support from her dad's army and treasury, both things he vitally needs, and no necessary hostility from the various nobles. They would prefer their daughter get the honor, but will be content that their rivals don't. [Of course, he does have to watch it. The wrong princess from the wrong country can work quite badly.]

To get Lien married to Hinjo, we have got to have her do some really heroic deed, and that is the job of the PCs, not a 2nd rank NPC. So Lien is ticketed for something like admiral and will likely marry some younger noble.

[Illiander]

Shojo wasn't a king... He was always refered to as Lord, and although Hinjo has a Crown, he has never been called King either.

So there never will be a Queen of Azure city, unless that's how the Hobgoblins set things up.

So my bet is on Thog :D

[NikkTheTrick]

miko :smallbiggrin:
yeah i'm twisted and by miko i mean ZOMBIE miko....did i just cast "summon house of horrors" by accident :smalleek:
Pshaw! Fanservice! Where are tentactle monsters on the wedding night?

[Jayngfet]

hmm ...maybe the goblin people think is therkla, makes sense politicly.

[dogmac]

Celia :P

Hey, her boyfriend is dead! she's a free woman-thing.

[Remirach]

An arranged marriage or a marriage of political convenience need not be a loveless marriage, it just wouldn't START with love. But if both parties were serious about making an effort, that could change.

I can't find the cite right now, but I've read that couples in arranged marriages actually often make it through tougher times than those that marry for love and divorce at a lower rate.

[ref]

Any chance we can resurrect Sangwaan?

[David Argall]

Any chance we can resurrect Sangwaan?

On the available evidence, it can be managed, under a set of difficult conditions that effectively say nobody is going to try. A number of high level divination spells should be able to locate some trivial parts of her body and then another high level spell will bring her back. But what we have is a specialist wizard. We don't know if she has any of the qualifications to be Hinjo's wife, in particular that she is not already married.

[mikeejimbo]

An arranged marriage or a marriage of political convenience need not be a loveless marriage, it just wouldn't START with love. But if both parties were serious about making an effort, that could change.

I can't find the cite right now, but I've read that couples in arranged marriages actually often make it through tougher times than those that marry for love and divorce at a lower rate.

Oh yeah, that's true, I have heard that. But my statement that love has nothing to do with it does not imply that a political marriage is mutually exclusive with love. Furthermore, Lien is hot. There, I said it.

[Silkenfist]

Oh yeah, that's true, I have heard that. But my statement that love has nothing to do with it does not imply that a political marriage is mutually exclusive with love. Furthermore, Lien is hot. There, I said it.

Also she had been trusted with Hinjos junk already. There, I said it.

[paladinofshojo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember seeing rules on how the nobles of Azure City marry. This isn't medieval europe, we can't assume that the same rules apply.

If there is no set in stone rule saying that the Lord of Azure City must marry a woman of noble birth, then Hinjo can marry Lien & only his enemies will have a problem with it.

I believe that those who are relying on their knowledge of ancient marriage practices are presuming too much.

I personally think it'll be Therkla.

Ohh yeah, what do you think D&D is based on? Chicago?:smalltongue:
Once more, there is also the fact that Kobuto got infuriated just when two "commoners" where supposedly granted status EQUAL to him, there is no telling how he would react if a commoner recieves a station ABOVE him.

[Kish]

Ohh yeah, what do you think D&D is based on? Chicago?:smalltongue:
Well, if it was closely based on medieval Europe, Lien certainly wouldn't be using weapons and armor. Nor would Haley, or Miko.

[Echowinds]

From all real life logic, Hinjo's most likely scenario would be marrying someone from another kingdom. Bascially, what David Argall said.

Then again, fiction obviously needs not to pay any heed to real life actualities.

[David Argall]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember seeing rules on how the nobles of Azure City marry. This isn't medieval europe, we can't assume that the same rules apply.
These rules, in one way or another, seem to apply in any society where there are nobles. Since your ancestry makes such a difference, you need to marry the right sort of person. Marry down and your children will suffer. And you will suffer the lack of support a more equal spouse would supply.
Once we say noble, we say Hinjo is going to face tremendous pressure to marry somebody of the noble class or higher.


If there is no set in stone rule saying that the Lord of Azure City must marry a woman of noble birth, then Hinjo can marry Lien & only his enemies will have a problem with it.
No, it is highly likely his friends would have a problem with it too, and his enemies would be increased.


I personally think it'll be Therkla.
She is almost certainly of evil alignment, and much more interested in Elan.

[slayerx]

If there is no set in stone rule saying that the Lord of Azure City must marry a woman of noble birth, then Hinjo can marry Lien & only his enemies will have a problem with it.

Whether or not there is a set in stone rule is somewhat irrelevant... i say somewhat because if there was one than Hinjo would not break it... This more of issue of how others will regard Hinjo... Unless the ruler marrying a commoner was a very common practice, it is generally expected that the ruler of the city marry someone who is of similar class as themselves and/or for politician reasons.

If Hinjo marries a commoner, this may reflect negatively upon the nobles of not only his kingdom but of other kingdoms as well... Essentially, any social class based society will likely look at this negatively... politically, it's a bad move, as you loose the support of the nobles and it may be harder to deal with other nations as they loose some respect for you. Sure many commoners might not mind, but the problem is that the nobles and royalty are the ones with actual power and get to tell the commoners what to do regardless of what they think of the situation.

If Hinjo marries a noble... then nothing happens, he just maintains the status quo...

What we are basically saying is that Hinjo COULD marry Lien, but he is not likely to unless he truly falls in love with her to the point that he his willing to take great risks to be with her. Marrying Lien (or any commoner) would come with great expense, and not something Hinjo can afford until they recapture the city, rebuild, get the city back to 100%, and Hinjo restores his fame amognst the people and nobles of the azure city and the world (and that's gonna take awhile...);... Really he is much more likely to marry a noble... and personally, like i said before, i think him getting together with Lien would be too predictable/cliche'... If he's gonna marry a commoner, let it be someone else (ie someone we have not seen)...

oh wait, i got one i don't think anyone brought up... how about, the Waitress that's saving up money for ninja school ^^

[paladinofshojo]

Whether or not there is a set in stone rule is somewhat irrelevant... i say somewhat because if there was one than Hinjo would not break it... This more of issue of how others will regard Hinjo... Unless the ruler marrying a commoner was a very common practice, it is generally expected that the ruler of the city marry someone who is of similar class as themselves and/or for politician reasons.




Judging from Kobuto's fuedalistic mindset, I'd say that the nobles don't think very highly of the common people.

[stsasser]

Whoever Mr. Scruffy wants to barb.

[paladinofshojo]

Maybe Rich will introduce a new character for Hinjo's love intrest, like a long time friend, or a noblewomen, mercenary etc.:smallbiggrin:

[Talyn]

I make no claims as to what will happen, but I wouldn't mind "shipping" Hinjo with Lien - she's a cutie (to the extent you can do that in a stick-figure comic), loyal, fearless, and badass. Also, no worries about irreconcilable alignment differences (http://http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0050.html)!

[Illiander]

I make no claims as to what will happen, but I wouldn't mind "shipping" Hinjo with Lien - she's a cutie (to the extent you can do that in a stick-figure comic), loyal, fearless, and badass. Also, no worries about irreconcilable alignment differences (http://http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0050.html)!

irreconcilable alignment differences (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0050.html)

Fixed your link. You had the "http://" twice.

[SPoD]

I don't think this will be on Hinjo's mind at all until Azure City is reconquered (or New Azure City firmly established somewhere else). Having an heir right now just gives his enemies another target.

[Tilian]

Nobles may look down on a marriage between Hinjo and Lien, but Hinjo probably wouldn't shy away from damning their opinion in favor of the common people, who did more for the sake of Azure City during its fall than its nobility. If they manage to retake or reestablish their city, big changes seem pretty likely. After all, change certainly seems to be in the wings already with the two guards being raised to noble status.

Out with the old and in with the new where the former falls short, I say.

[David Argall]

Nobles may look down on a marriage between Hinjo and Lien, but Hinjo probably wouldn't shy away from damning their opinion in favor of the common people, who did more for the sake of Azure City during its fall than its nobility. If they manage to retake or reestablish their city, big changes seem pretty likely. After all, change certainly seems to be in the wings already with the two guards being raised to noble status.

Actually we have no sign that Hinjo is at all interested in anything but the expected type of marriage. As a paladin, Hinjo is a respecter of law and tradition. This marry for love nonsense is obviously chaotic.
Nor do we have anything in their behavior beyond what we expect of boss-underling. And since Lein is apparently a specialist in naval matters while Hinjo has likely stayed near the throne, it takes work to find any existing romance.

The big changes in the city will largely consist of new names on the doors.

[paladinofshojo]

Actually we have no sign that Hinjo is at all interested in anything but the expected type of marriage. As a paladin, Hinjo is a respecter of law and tradition. This marry for love nonsense is obviously chaotic.
Nor do we have anything in their behavior beyond what we expect of boss-underling. And since Lein is apparently a specialist in naval matters while Hinjo has likely stayed near the throne, it takes work to find any existing romance.

The big changes in the city will largely consist of new names on the doors.

Yeah, there's also the fact that Hinjo as of yet shows no sign of being in love with Lein (or ANY female for that matter)

[Khanderas]

And Lien is a commoner, child of fishermen. Nobles would mind that.
From what we can see about some nobles in the strip, they would oppose anyone that isnt from their house (marrying in their own noble house into the royal family).
Besides as was mentioned by another, her parents were fishermen (well a fisherman and a fisherman's wife, or fisherwoman), she has attained a station in the Paladin order and that would be somewhat outside the norm.

Granted though, some nobles would always be unsatisfied.

[R.O.A.]

With Azure City in it's current situation, it makes a lot more sense that Hinjo would marry a noble woman from another country, as a means of ensuring an alliance. Since the flotilla have plans to settle and found New Azure City (or at least a fort) I imagine he is likely to marry for trading agreements with whoever's closest to them (they can't feed themselves, at least not at first, while also building the fort.)
If of course, Hinjo marries at all.

[Chronos]

If of course, Hinjo marries at all.Oh, he's definitely going to marry. He views it as a duty for nobles to produce heirs, and you know how paladins are about duty.

[paladinofshojo]

Oh, he's definitely going to marry. He views it as a duty for nobles to produce heirs, and you know how paladins are about duty.

I doubt that it is a duty to the NOBLES to produce an heir, remember Hinjo's the Lord of the entire city, therefore if he dies without an heir a noble can easilly take his position of power and start a new dynasty. Seeing as how particularly nasty some of the nobles are (like Kobuta) I'd say it's more like his duty to the PEASANTS that has him on the ropes to produce an heir so that they won't have to suffer from a civil war regarding all soverneity rights of the future Azure City (something like the Fraund in France when Louis the 14 was in power) therefore, these commoners will gladly throw themselves at the mercy of a "righteous" leader then a bunch of corrupt nobles, which means that Hinjo actually owes them SOMETHING for their loyalty (which is more I can say for the nobles, who are only owed a new decree passed by the young lord to restrain their power and priviledges)

[Chronos]

I doubt that it is a duty to the NOBLES to produce an heir,Now you two had better get working on an heir, I suppose." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0501.html). Yes, it was said with a wink, but he does mean it. And if, in Azurite society, there would be an expectation for Kazumi and Daigo to produce an heir, there would also be such an expectation for Hinjo to produce one.

[paladinofshojo]

Now you two had better get working on an heir, I suppose." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0501.html). Yes, it was said with a wink, but he does mean it. And if, in Azurite society, there would be an expectation for Kazumi and Daigo to produce an heir, there would also be such an expectation for Hinjo to produce one.


It is merely a "suggestion" and probably a light party jest, I doubt Hinjo would mind if certian noble families would completely die out (Kobuta's), but seeing as they are a newly married couple, it seems logical that they would get that alot....

[someonenonotyou]

What are you talking about Hinjo is V's mate:smallamused: :smalleek:

[Illiander]

Now you two had better get working on an heir, I suppose." (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0501.html). Yes, it was said with a wink, but he does mean it. And if, in Azurite society, there would be an expectation for Kazumi and Daigo to produce an heir, there would also be such an expectation for Hinjo to produce one.

I always thought that was him saying "I know she´s pregnant"

[paladinofshojo]

I always thought that was him saying "I know she´s pregnant"

NO, but that would be funnier wouldn't it?:smallbiggrin:

[paladinofshojo]

Well, I doubt any noble would be a sutible match for Hinjo

[AceOfFools]

Soon had no kids, passed it on to Shojo's father. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html)

Shojo had no kids, for all we know he never married, spending all his time on his work. Hinjo is his nephew.

I predict that Hinjo's heir is likewise the child of one of his (as yet unmentioned) younger siblings. The heir is, of course, in no position to rule a country at the child's tender age.

Not that that there's any evidence that remotely supports those assumptions, but hey, we're talking about shipping here. Not the most logic-bound habit of a fandom.

[MReav]

Well, it doesn't preclude Hinjo from having kids. Remember, Shojo got his position from his father. Presumably he had a mother.

NO! He was magically cloned!"

[Lowkey]

Well, either the Level/Stat Geekery thread is wrong about Lien, or she is a lot more important then a low level good guy mook has any business being. Lien is a common born paladin, estimated to be at a rather low level. The thread itself covers this in more detail, but she doesn't appear to be very powerful, and the fact that she ran out of healing spells fairly quickly at the battle, couldn't do much against the devil, and was assigned to cover behind the walls with the rest of the newbies would in my mind go along with that. Lien is a low level paladin. Yet for someone of no real importance she turns up in some odd places.

Here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0411.html) she is one of the first on the scene after Hinjo was nearly killed, and escorts Miko to jail. O'Chul, being the Lord's chief of staff makes sense, but why is Lien there?
Here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0412.html) we have Hinjo's coronation. Let's see who is there: We have the nobility (makes sens). We have O'Chul, (chief of staff, makes sense). The high priests (over seeing the coronation, makes sense). The future Katos, (serve as the Lord's guard, makes sense). The OotS (additional private guard, makes sense). And Lien. Who again really has no business being there.
Here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0414.html) we have the war planning council meeting. And again, Lien is the odd man out. Why is a low level person of no real importance sitting in on the council meeting?

Either the guys in the geekery thread have made some miscalculations, and Lien was one of the most powerful paladins in the SG, or there is something else going on here we don't know about. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter, and I don't think a romantic relationship with Hinjo is out of the question.

As a final note, I think it can be argued that Lien has a high Charisma score. She (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0479.html) is consistently drawn with cleavage while in armor. Compare that with the other women in the strip - Haley only has a tiny hint (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0393.html) of it in a dress designed to give access to her sternum. Celia (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0315.html) only has some in a dress designed to show off in. Sara Greenhilt (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0494.html) is wearing a top to accentuate it as well. Julia, an acknowledged "smokin hottie" only has some when forcing it (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0352.html). The only other one with regular cleavage is Samantha (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0160.html), who is estimated to sport a Cha score of 20-21. Since Samantha is in a dress rather then magic armor, I think a case can be made for Lien to have an even higher Cha score. So if there is something there between Hinjo and Lien, the guy has taste.

[Gamerlord]

miko :smallbiggrin:
yeah i'm twisted and by miko i mean ZOMBIE miko....did i just cast "summon house of horrors" by accident :smalleek:
This was just of joke of mine, i whould want either :

A: lien as queen
B: IF daigo and kazkumi have a daughter, that might be a potential choice MANY years in-oots.

[Chronos]

There's no evidence for Lien being low level, just a lack of evidence for her being high level. But she's at least 5th level, from her mount, which puts her on a par with the best soldiers in the regular army (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html). The only upper bound we have is that she's not as tough as O-Chul, nor as powerful as Hinjo or Miko.

And while I suspect that she does have high Charisma, it's shortsighted to measure a woman's attractiveness in terms of her cleavage, and downright offensive to measure Charisma that way.

[Linkavitch]

Lein, probably. There aren't really any reasons to not, so, why not?

[Silophant]

and downright offensive to measure Charisma that way.

I don't know... it's already been implied that Charisma can, in fact, be measured that way. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0028.html)

[Lowkey]

And while I suspect that she does have high Charisma, it's shortsighted to measure a woman's attractiveness in terms of her cleavage, and downright offensive to measure Charisma that way.
But cool to do it with guys? (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0028.html)

[Heroic]

I vote for Lien too. They would make a perfect match.

[Kish]

I don't know... it's already been implied that Charisma can, in fact, be measured that way. (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0028.html)
But the highest Charisma character in the comic is the walking skeleton, not the blond bard.

[xelliea]

is there anat city left to rule

[mago]

why this asumation that Lien is of rank below the nobles? Miko was an orphan raised by monks, and a samurai. paladinship/bieng a member of the azure guard comes with benefits, people.

[Lokasenna]

why this asumation that Lien is of rank below the nobles? Miko was an orphan raised by monks, and a samurai. paladinship/bieng a member of the azure guard comes with benefits, people.

Benefits, yes. But her status is much the same as the Katos: she is of "common blood" as her parents were fishermen. Just because she is a paladin of the Sapphire Guard doesn't necessarily mean she has the same status as a noble.

[David Argall]

Lein, probably. There aren't really any reasons to not, so, why not?

In point of fact there are no reasons to, other than the literary trope that if you have a boy and a girl in a story, they are to shack up. That is a very powerful reason from the metagame view, but from within the game, there is just a long list of reasons not to.

Practical - Hinjo is a king with less troops than several of his nobles, most of whom have good reason to think they would make better rulers. He can be deposed with great ease. With Kubota gone, there may well be a little breathing room while the nobles try to decide who his replacement should be, but any time he makes a really unpopular decision, he risks their deciding to get rid of him first and decide on his replacement later.
We have good reason to assume the nobles would not approve of Lien as a queen. And she brings Hinjo no support or advantage. The best that can happen is that she doesn't make him any more of a paper king.
The fleet/city needs friends, and that often means a royal marriage. That can mean the troops needed to keep Hinjo in charge, the wealth needed to rebuild the city, the friendship to help the city prosper... That is a tremendous amount to throw away just because you have the hots for some piece.

Emotional - We simply don't see any reactions between the two that are anything other than correct boss-employee relations.

[Chronos]

The fleet/city needs friends, and that often means a royal marriage. That can mean the troops needed to keep Hinjo in charge, the wealth needed to rebuild the city, the friendship to help the city prosper... That is a tremendous amount to throw away just because you have the hots for some piece.This is a good reason for them not to have married already: If they do find a potential ally with a marriagable princess, it probably would be a good idea for Hinjo to enter into a political marriage, and he doesn't want to take that option off the table. But that doesn't say anything about what might happen if they conclude that there is no such potential ally, or that an alliance becomes unneccessary.

And Hinjo is probably going to end up pissing off nobles anyway. His best bet might be to ensure that he pisses them all off equally: If he picked a daughter of one noble house over another, that might generate dangerous levels of scorn from the house he didn't pick.

[dps]

From all real life logic, Hinjo's most likely scenario would be marrying someone from another kingdom. Bascially, what David Argall said.

Then again, fiction obviously needs not to pay any heed to real life actualities.

Bingo.

Logically, if he were to marry an Azurite noblewoman, his best bet would be someone from a very minor noble family. The major nobles would be less upset over that than they would be over him marrying a member of one of their major rivals

[David Argall]

that doesn't say anything about what might happen if they conclude that there is no such potential ally, or that an alliance becomes unneccessary.
There are 6 known city/civilizations that might be useful allies and we have no reason to deem that to be all of them. That makes it pretty certain there is a potential ally out there. And you can always use more friends. So there will always be a need for that alliance.


And Hinjo is probably going to end up pissing off nobles anyway. His best bet might be to ensure that he pisses them all off equally: If he picked a daughter of one noble house over another, that might generate dangerous levels of scorn from the house he didn't pick.
But he will have the support of the house he did. So he wants to be careful in selecting a noble wife, but he gets the support of one instead of none.

[Sinewmire]

At the moment, Hinjo can't afford to marry. As the ruler of Azure city he has to stay 'available' so the noble houses will be competing for the chance to marry one of their daughters to him. Like Elizabeth I, he needs to dangle the possibility of an alliance by marriage before every single one of the nobles.

Doesn't mean he won't, of course. Lien would be satisfying, in a familiar cliché kind of way, but it does seem a little, hm, familiarly clichéd for the Giant. :smallconfused:

[Winthur]

I bet Hinjo will marry one of the fishermen riding on his junk.

Or maybe Blind Old Pete.

[V Junior]

Lien, apparently, hasn't been a virgin since her junior prom. I think that she was going out with Hinjo at the time, but pressure from both thier families forced them to end it.

Of course, they still loved each other, but didn't dare say it.

Now, of course, Hinjo's family is pretty much nonexistant, and we haven't seen Lien's. I think it's time for one to admit the truth about thier feelings for the other, don't you think?

Or, Lien got pregnant by Hinjo at the prom, and has never told anyone (she pretended she got to ill for anyone to see her, then hid the kid), and that kid's still around. So, when that kid turns up... :amused:

[paladinofshojo]

Lien, apparently, hasn't been a virgin since her junior prom. I think that she was going out with Hinjo at the time, but pressure from both thier families forced them to end it.

Of course, they still loved each other, but didn't dare say it.

Now, of course, Hinjo's family is pretty much nonexistant, and we haven't seen Lien's. I think it's time for one to admit the truth about thier feelings for the other, don't you think?

Or, Lien got pregnant by Hinjo at the prom, and has never told anyone (she pretended she got to ill for anyone to see her, then hid the kid), and that kid's still around. So, when that kid turns up... :amused:


How do we know that they even knew each other back then? Considering the fact that Lien probably went to some public school wheras Hinjo was probably taught by royal tutors or went to some upper class private school (since he is the heir to an entire kingdom)

[HamsterOfTheGod]

Re: Just wondering, who will be the next "queen" of Azure City?

Am I the only one who thought of Xykon or Redcloak in a dress?

[bobothegoat]

With a junk like Hinjo's, he could probably get any girl he wants.\

...

Really. It's a pretty nice boat.