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toddex
2008-04-26, 09:17 PM
The template for feral in a 3.5 book. DM refuses to allow me to use savage species.

RTGoodman
2008-04-26, 09:29 PM
I don't believe the Feral template has been reprinted in 3.5.

However, I think Savage Species was one of the last 3.0 books, so it should be close enough to 3.5 that your DM should allow it, assuming he's banning it because it's 3.0 and not because it's just cheesy or something.

UserClone
2008-04-26, 09:32 PM
Oh, it reeks of cheese. I'd give it at least a LA+2.

Nebo_
2008-04-26, 10:18 PM
Savage Species is a 3.25 book. I was released just as 3.5 was being constructed. Don't use Feral, though; not unless you're willing to nerf it dramatically.

Frosty
2008-04-26, 10:37 PM
can you stack Feral with Mineral Warrior?

Prince_of_Blades
2008-04-26, 10:52 PM
can you stack Feral with Mineral Warrior?

Yes.

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Frosty
2008-04-26, 10:54 PM
0_0

Have you met any sane DM that would allow that? What would the final bonuses be?

Prince_of_Blades
2008-04-26, 11:10 PM
Min +9 natural AC, claws, pounce with enough racial HD, DR 8/adamantine, fast healing w/ racial HD, +6 Con & Str for +2 LA.

Frosty
2008-04-26, 11:38 PM
That's...wow.

How much racial HD needed for pounce and fast healing? I'm imagining a Feral Mineral Warrior Centaur. Centaurs have 4 Racial HD, and already have +3 Natural armor, +8 str, +4 dex, +4 Con, -2 Int, +2 Wis.

Total bonuses would be +12 Natural Armor, +14 str, +4 dex, +10 Con, DR 8/Adamantium, -2 Int/Wis. This comes with +4 LA and 4 Racial HD.

Doesn't Feral lower your wis or int or something?

Prince_of_Blades
2008-04-27, 12:01 AM
First, feral replaces your natural AC with +6 if it's not already higher, and mineral warrior adds a +3 on top of everything. Four racial HD just nets you pounce & improved grab. You can get fast healing with any number of racial HD, and 4 will net you 3 HP/round. Feral raises Wis, but mineral warrior lowers it just as much. You would also lose an additional -6 Int and -2 Cha, total. (Typing on a PSP is hard.)

Frosty
2008-04-27, 12:23 AM
I wonder how scary that Centaur would be using Dungeoncrasher. Centaurs are large, so they can take the Knockback feat. Bullrushing isn't based on on BAB. It is based on Strength, so Centaurs (especially this one) can Bullrush really, really well. Dungeoncrasher does like 8d8 + 3x your str mod or something, and your strength mod will be phenomenal. Add in Spirited charge with a Lance, and you kill things.

Tsotha-lanti
2008-04-27, 03:56 AM
You DM is wise, toddex. Savage Species, while technically sort of 3.5, is one of the craziest books, and it especially shouldn't be open for PC use.

Feral SS half-ogres, ahoy!

nerulean
2008-04-27, 05:56 AM
Stick large and in charge on your centaur of brokenness to make sure you're only ever touched at all by people you let through.