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kjones
2008-05-10, 11:56 AM
I ran a 12-player PvP game last night, and while it was a good time for all involved, of special mention is The Crusader That Just Wouldn't Sit Down.

(Incidentally, this is 10th level here.)

I mean, I know that's basically how their class is designed, but knowing about it in theory and seeing it in action are two very different things. She was taking four arrows per round from the Ranger (most of which just glanced off her shield... something like 32 AC), getting mauled by the Druid, blasted by the Sorcerer, and she just would Not. Go. Down.

She got dropped to negatives at least three times (each time getting a free attack, thanks to that feat that lets you make an attack when you drop below zero) but, of course, with Die Hard, she just swigged a potion and kept going. And, of course, since her damage pool was full all the time, she was dishing out some serious hurt with her warhammer.

They eventually brought her down by capitalizing on her bad reflex save and touch AC and just whittling her down with Orbs and the like. But god damn, it took them a lot of firepower.

Anyone else have good stories of "They just won't die!"?

Da King
2008-05-10, 12:09 PM
Fighting villains with over 200hp at level 8. I used almost all my druid's spells, but they still managed to get away barely alive.

Grommen
2008-05-10, 12:15 PM
Been R. Shot (The "R" stands for Repeatedly).

This rather had to kill former Special Forces Orc from Seattle (Shadowrun), simply refuses to die. Sure he goes down from time to time, but he always gets up and keeps goen. Like the freeken Energizer Bunny.

Ok so he has Mili-Spec armor, a 10+ body including bone laceing and dermal plates, cyber skull, and Orthoskin. :smallbiggrin: Those of you that know get the picture. And yes he still has some essence left thanks to that Delta Clinic he funded.

So far old Been here has Been Shot more times than can be counted.
As well he has;
Been Stabbed
Been Cleaved (Katana)
Been bombed (Wile sitting in a fuel tanker)
Been possessed (Better that the world does not know about that one)
Been Ran over (GMC Bulldog)
Been Dropped (from a 3 story building)
Been Crushed (Troll Cyberzombie)
Been Dumpshcked (both vehicular and matrix)
Been Fireballed
Been Manaballed

I even shot at him with a Panther Assault Cannon. He dodged it.

Been retired and lives in the Suberbs of Seattle, where he makes Pizza's for collage students. Imagen the poor slot that decides to frag that Parlor.

Rhuadin
2008-05-10, 12:15 PM
Fighting villains with over 200hp at level 8. I used almost all my druid's spells, but they still managed to get away barely alive.

That's not a story of "They just won't die"... that sounds like DM railroady fiat. When I play with DMs like that I make sure that I have Dimensional Anchor... :)

FMArthur
2008-05-10, 12:28 PM
Party of level 11s:
DM: Okay, it's just been discovered that the Tarrasque is on its way to the city. You're the people charged with doing something about it. You have about 7 days to prepare. :smalleek:

We put all our resources to getting a very large and very deep pit, and having like 500 archers run up around the pit and shoot, about 100 archers that were able to fly or that we could get to fly, and mages just summoning heavy things to drop on it, and we had 2 rings of 3 wishes. We eventually just had people bury it in stone and move on, because it didn't die.

Azerian Kelimon
2008-05-10, 12:31 PM
FMA: PSHAW! A batman wizard is all that's needed.

Ganurath
2008-05-10, 12:43 PM
Spider Swarm with a level one character, no area spells, and all I had was a human warrior skeleton with a torch. That took a while.

FMArthur
2008-05-10, 12:45 PM
FMA: PSHAW! A batman wizard is all that's needed.

My party are not powergamers. We very frequently have no casters, or have things like Evocation specialists. This particular session had two fighters, a rogue, a monk, and a Cleric who refuses to look up his spells, write down a list of spells he knows, or a list of spells he prepares (who we in turn, do not allow to cast).

Azerian Kelimon
2008-05-10, 12:57 PM
A few scrolls of Overland flight. Snipe the Tarrasque. Done.

Really, it IS that pathetic.

Dervag
2008-05-10, 01:21 PM
Yeah, we know, Batman-wizard uber-alles.

Who cares anymore?

It's still fun to recount stories of the monster/character that just Would Not Die.

Azerian Kelimon
2008-05-10, 01:32 PM
Yeah. But it's even funnier to recall how you felled the character or monster that just wouldn't die. Makes you feel powerful.

Ganurath
2008-05-10, 04:15 PM
Yeah. But it's even funnier to recall how you felled the character or monster that just wouldn't die. Makes you feel powerful.I had the Skeleton I had turned (Level 1 with Improved Turning) beat the Swarm with a torch a point at a time while the Swarm would autohit only to have to have a one in six chance of dealing damage.

Hadrian_Emrys
2008-05-10, 04:32 PM
The freaking soldier my friend played in a Spycraft game. Took an rpg to the chest AFTER climbing out of the flaming wreckage that was once the team's car... without taking a single point of Wound damage. I loved standing behind him in a firefight.

Samakain
2008-05-10, 06:50 PM
Been R. Shot (The "R" stands for Repeatedly).
Been Crushed (Troll Cyberzombie)


i lol'ed at that, for some reason the first thing that came to mind was a hard looking orc with a "I got crushed by a troll cyberzombie and all i got was this stupid T-shirt" t-shirt on XD

Spoon, the Barbarian, my god, i've seen him go toe to toe with just about anything the DM through at our group. In a combined effort of good luck, bad luck and blood minded stubborness born from a Int of 6, nothing could kill him. My favorite moment was when the black dragon critted him with a claw attack, reduced him to a 1hp, he turned around and critted it back, nat 20, and then another to confirm. When that happens our group multiplies the crit multiplier by 4. He was using a shocking burst dragon bane great axe :( lol.

Inhuman Bot
2008-05-10, 07:44 PM
level 18 kobold bard. some how survives (As a cohort, in a 8 player level 26 D&D adventure)

Getting shot by twice his wieght in arrows
Being shot with a gnome artificers aquerabes
be cleaved by an orbarium golem
three prismatic sprays
a very angry pair of wererat rouges
being thrown off a cliff, falling 600 feet, falling into acid and "drowning" (he managed get a feather fall on himself and a ring of acid resist, so not QUITE as impressive)
Aging 200 years
Being slashed by a god
being devoured by an advanced purple worm
two disenagrates
A mind flayer eating his brain(almost eating it)
about what SHOULD have been 2000 damage a turn from a wizard (roll your saves. All 9 *rolls* I rolled 3 20's a 19 and 4 17s)
and a few other things.

Roderick_BR
2008-05-10, 07:48 PM
A few scrolls of Overland flight. Snipe the Tarrasque. Done.

Really, it IS that pathetic.
He *did* say the Tarraque was in a pit with 500 archers, plus 100 archers that were *already* flying. You didn't add much help here :smalltongue:

Hmm... can't remember anything I managed to throw at my players that they didn't kill within 5 rounds. And no, they had no batmans in the group.

I do remember an enchanted set of armor that kept shruging all our attacks. Took us hours to kill it. Finally, we found out the DM adapted a creature from 2nd edition, that could select a certain number of spells, and GAIN hit points from it. He choose magic missile, fireball, and lightning bold, of course :smalltongue:

Calinero
2008-05-10, 08:20 PM
Got attacked by zombies once in a homebrew sort of campaign, most of whom went down like flies.

Except one.

We shot him multiple times, failing to kill him. Three of our party got bitten, and nearly turned into zombies themselves. We used a flamethrower and set him on fire. The apartment around us actually got ignited, and burned down around us before the zombie died.

EagleWiz
2008-05-10, 08:31 PM
For some reason or other, the 20th level charactors decided to kill a minor god. And the god sent 4 phoenixs at them. And somehow the phoenixs died after 24 rounds.

Decoy69
2008-05-11, 01:58 PM
Ahh, you bring up memories of my very own Jorg Svensson. Human Cleric of Boccob, wielding a spiked chain. Picture Fabio (http://images.google.com.au/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=fabio&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2) and you'll get the general idea of his character. Loud, Proud, Vain, he had it all.

On the plane of fire. He was beaten down by a red dragon way outside of his CR and fell hundreds of feet through volcanic vents into lava. Here's what followed.

Me: This is going to be very short and involve lots of dice isn't it?
DM: Yup. *rolls falling damage*
Me: *gulp* Ok, lets check the rules for lava....
After finding out that partial fire resistance gives you full immunity to lava
Me: WOOHOO!
DM: Now you're drowning... In lava.
Me: Damn. *rolls untrained swim check*
Many untrained swim checks later
DM: Make a reflex save.
Me: Wha? ok, erm, 21?
DM: The tattered corpse of a red dragon slams into the lava next to you. The rest of the party killed it.
Me: eep. *rolls more swim checks*
DM: you've made it to the other side of the caldera.
Me: Woohoo!
DM: The cave entrance is still 100ft above you. start climbing.
Me: Damn. *rolls untrained Climb check*
Many untrained climb checks later
Me: This is taking too long. I'm casting Divine Power.
DM: Why?
Me: +6 STR equals +3 to my climb check.... =D
DM: *Facepalm* Ok. go on.
A few more climb checks
Me: Finally! The cave! Sanctuary, safety, oh glory of glories, somewhere for me to collapse.
DM: All your clothes have burnt off.
Me: Aww.
DM: And all your equipment too.
Me: ....I pose at the entrance to the cave surveying the caldera.

And this was just ONE of the many times he "survived" things. He was often the only survivor of TPK's. Hell, the only reason he was on the plane of fire was due to a TPK.

Renegade Paladin
2008-05-11, 02:11 PM
Frenzied berserker. The PC fighting her had delay death on him. They both died at the same time, at about -200 each.

cloneof
2008-05-11, 04:01 PM
What kinda of a D&D gameplay style is "12 player PvP"?

Grommen
2008-05-11, 04:03 PM
i lol'ed at that, for some reason the first thing that came to mind was a hard looking orc with a "I got crushed by a troll cyberzombie and all i got was this stupid T-shirt" t-shirt on XD

Yep that's my boy. I think I'm gonna add that shirt to the character.

Grommen
2008-05-11, 04:13 PM
Ahh, you bring up memories of my very own Jorg Svensson. Human Cleric of Boccob, wielding a spiked chain. Picture Fabio (http://images.google.com.au/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hl=en&q=fabio&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2) and you'll get the general idea of his character. Loud, Proud, Vain, he had it all.

Oddly enough if I had a gold piece for every time a character stood at the doorway naked and taking in the lay of the land. I would be a very rich person. Though I never knew this was a common them in other peoples worlds as well.

Farmer42
2008-05-11, 04:20 PM
I once had a Dungeon Delver that wouldn't go down. He made every reflex save, every tumble check, and even his blind fight checks. When we got to the BBEG, a pally of Tyranny, it took all of his daily smites to drop me down. And he only got me down to -12.

The one that really got me was that I had a player running a Dwarven Defender once. Have you ever tried to kill one of them without it seeming like a cheap DM move? I had designed an encounter so that the players get hit with a sleeping gas, and then, as they awoke, the corpses in the room (it was part of some catacombs) would start to rise. Well, there were several triggers, just to make sure I got them, and they did set all four of them off, including the one with hold monster mass. The party didn't have a skill monkey, so they went with the dwarf out front trick. They enter the room, he walks down a ways, the other PCs fall unconscious and he hold his breath. For the next several minutes. The gas dissipates and he continues. He does this three more times, once even being caught by the hold monster while holding his breath. Then, they get to the BBEG and the Warlock goes nova on him, and I roll two 1's in a row on the massive damage roll. No more BBEG.

kjones
2008-05-11, 05:46 PM
What kinda of a D&D gameplay style is "12 player PvP"?

The sort where you have two groups of six players apiece, trying to kill each other. It's certainly not your run-of-the-mill D&D game, but I ran it as a special end-of-the-semester thing, and everyone had a good time.

I forgot to mention that the crusader in question had that feat that lets you make an attack at +lots when you get dropped below 0 HP. She made a lot of free attacks.

KillianHawkeye
2008-05-11, 09:17 PM
An immunity or resistance to fire serves as an immunity to lava or magma.

I looked it up, and I still can't believe it. That is SO dumb. :smallsigh:

BRC
2008-05-11, 09:24 PM
I looked it up, and I still can't believe it. That is SO dumb. :smallsigh:

*goes and buys a somthing that gives him Fire Resistance 1*

Grommen
2008-05-11, 09:59 PM
I looked it up, and I still can't believe it. That is SO dumb. :smallsigh:

Tell that to poor Lord Vader.

Now their is a dude who's got a little too much hate and just would not go down.

PhallicWarrior
2008-05-11, 10:15 PM
I just DMed a pick up game of D&D the other day, and the party Rogue just wouldn't go down. Until the end of the first level of the mine (Where she- rather stupidly- decided to take point going into the room with six goblins in it.) she didn't take a single hit, although once she did get hit, she dropped to negatives, round 1.

Then there was me, in a Werewolf game where my Glasswalker Ragabash dodged or soaked every shot a squad of thugs armed with Uzis fired. Got a LOT of Glory points for that.

sikyon
2008-05-11, 10:24 PM
*goes and buys a somthing that gives him Fire Resistance 1*

Can still drown in it.

Cirigan
2008-05-11, 10:34 PM
Can still drown in it.

i beleive if i was ever in the situation were my choices were drown by molten earth, or burn alive

i think i'd take off my fire resistant cloak

Bassetking
2008-05-11, 10:34 PM
I'm reminded of Vishspar, a Half Orc VoP Psychic Warrior/Monk I played (Yes. I am well aware of the irony here.) BBEG had us in a time-sensitive Multi-altar "ULTIMATE SACRIFICAL CAVERN OF DOOME" Spread out in a plus sign shape, there was a sacrifical altar on each arm of the cross, a multilple-hundred foot walkway comprising the body of the arm of the "Plus" and a cauldron, containing a roiling green liquid, suspended from chains, over the floor. Everything that wasn't the walkways, the altars, or the cauldron's dias was an ocean of blue flames.

I see the BBEG finishing tying his last sacrifice, still struggling, to the altar on the far side of the map, and then making back towards his cauldron.

My monk, my character... well, he does what His code, his conscience, and his convictions told him to do... And charged the sucker. Left the party, left the tank, the casters, the healers, and bolted across this at a full run, towards the BBEG and his Kobold mooks, who littered the walkways.

Round 1) Monk moves forward his full movement. Is hit by six arrows.(8 damage) Party is now somewhere near 150' behind the Monk, thanks to fast movement and Hustle.

Round 2) Monk has reached first Kobold Mook. Makes grapple check. Uses body of grappled kobold as meat-shield. Is hit by two further arrows.(3 damage) Party is 120' behind.

Round 3) Uses opposed strength check. Dominates the Kobold in front of him by something like 15 points over his check. Bodily lifts the Kobold into the air, and swings him into his fellow guard, as an improvised weapon. Continues his swing out and over the edge of the walkway, and lets go. One Kobold slain by his comrade, one flung into tarterian depths. Party is 90' behind monk. Hit by 4 Arrows. (14 damage)

Round 4) Monk Hurls himself down the walkway again, once again rushing towards the BBEG. Bellowing the War Koans of his monastic order, and psionically focused, He draws within 30' of the BBEG... Who he can now see is gripping a cruely barbed Black iron staff.... and who is slamming his hand onto the barbs of the StafOHSWEETMERCIFULASHSGASHASGAHSASGAHS

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, my bellowing, full charging VoP Psychic Monk just got WRACKED.

Necromancy [Evil]
Level: Cleric 4, sorcerer/wizard 5
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One humanoid
Duration: 1 round/level + 3d10
minutes; see text
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
With the final word of the spell, your chosen
foe is wracked with such pain that it doubles
over and collapses. Its face and hands blister
and drip fluid, and its eyes cloud with blood,
rendering it blind.
Your touch causes your target to experience
excruciating pain. For the
duration of the spell, the subject falls
prone and is blinded and helpless. Even
when the spell ends, the subject is still
shaken for 3d10 minutes

Monk is hit by a further 4 arrows.(10 damage) Monk is seriously contemplating hurling himself off the edge of the platform, if only it would stop the unmerciful PAIN...

Party is now far enough away to be wholly without aid.

Round 5) BBEG continues to his cauldron, and throws himself inside it, the sacrifices he has at each of the altars will, in a matter of rounds, expire, and will provide the fuel he needs to power the ceremony that will enable his lichdom.

The party's Wizard, in a flash of UNENDING brilliance, casts "Defenestrating Sphere"...

In the Cauldron.

Flinging the BBEG off the dias, into the tarterian flaming depths that awaited on each side of the platform.

Monk takes ANOTHER FOUR ARROWS FROM THE GORRAMED KOBOLDS (10 damage)

Round 6) Party splits up to free sacrifices, kill remaining Kobolds, save the day. Monk froths from eyes, vomits blood, twitches.

I STILL can't believe I managed to survive that one.

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-05-11, 10:38 PM
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, my bellowing, full charging VoP Psychic Monk just got WRACKED.

Necromancy [Evil]
Level: Cleric 4, sorcerer/wizard 5
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One humanoid
Duration: 1 round/level + 3d10
minutes; see text
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
With the final word of the spell, your chosen
foe is wracked with such pain that it doubles
over and collapses. Its face and hands blister
and drip fluid, and its eyes cloud with blood,
rendering it blind.
Your touch causes your target to experience
excruciating pain. For the
duration of the spell, the subject falls
prone and is blinded and helpless. Even
when the spell ends, the subject is still
shaken for 3d10 minutesI love the BoVD. It has so many awesomely flavorful spells.

Kompera
2008-05-11, 11:57 PM
The one that really got me was that I had a player running a Dwarven Defender once. Have you ever tried to kill one of them without it seeming like a cheap DM move? I had designed an encounter so that the players get hit with a sleeping gas, and then, as they awoke, the corpses in the room (it was part of some catacombs) would start to rise. Well, there were several triggers, just to make sure I got them, and they did set all four of them off, including the one with hold monster mass. The party didn't have a skill monkey, so they went with the dwarf out front trick. They enter the room, he walks down a ways, the other PCs fall unconscious and he hold his breath. For the next several minutes. The gas dissipates and he continues. He does this three more times, once even being caught by the hold monster while holding his breath. Then, they get to the BBEG and the Warlock goes nova on him, and I roll two 1's in a row on the massive damage roll. No more BBEG.And the corpses just lay there, since every single person didn't fall asleep? C'mon, GM a little! You designed the trap to get them all. One avoided it. That just gives that player and the group by extension an advantage in the battle to come, which should have been dependent on the traps triggering, not on the effect of the traps triggering.

If you had run the combats against the corpses the group would have used a few spells less maybe, but still been not fully charged for the nova against your BBEG.

Lorien077
2008-05-12, 12:43 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but humans are less dense than lava, ergo they can't drown in it, as I imagine would be the truth for the vast majority of characters. So really... the character should have just been walking across it.

And if you want to hear about characters that won't die... try looking at the Ipsquike the now one armed gnomish Paladin. (what ever you do don't call him "Pipsqueak")
He charged a demon significantly more powerful than him (it was CR 14, he was level 11 at the time) and smited it. Then it took his right arm (he was left handed) off on a critical hit (19 on a vorpal sword, close one there), dealing a significant chunk of his hp. And then he killed it. In one freaking hit. He critted and smited and well... no more BBEG.

Decoy69
2008-05-12, 02:12 AM
...but humans are less dense than lava

An armoured human however... :smallbiggrin:

Dhavaer
2008-05-12, 04:39 AM
Not something that happened to me first-hand, but I recall reading of a 1st level wizard who, out of spells and surrounded by skeletons, grappled and crushed them one by one. Awesome.

senrath
2008-05-12, 05:47 AM
An armoured human however... :smallbiggrin:

If you have fire resistance, you are immune to the lava. Your armor, not so much. With a few exceptions.

Farmer42
2008-05-12, 02:13 PM
And the corpses just lay there, since every single person didn't fall asleep? C'mon, GM a little! You designed the trap to get them all. One avoided it. That just gives that player and the group by extension an advantage in the battle to come, which should have been dependent on the traps triggering, not on the effect of the traps triggering.

If you had run the combats against the corpses the group would have used a few spells less maybe, but still been not fully charged for the nova against your BBEG.


A) Rule 0. It woulrdn't have been as interesting or suspenseful, so I held it off. When I got him with hold monster, I brought them up, so he was helpless as he saw the monsters start to rise.
B) The Warlock nova'd, not a normal caster. Hellfire warlocks can bring the pain if they're not afraid of paying for resto's or provoking AoO's. Especially if they go out of their way to provoke AoO's.

Bauglir
2008-05-12, 02:30 PM
I think of the Blighter our DM keeps making us fight. We've fought him something like 5 times now, and every time we do, someone in the party very nearly dies. Also, something entertaining usually happens (incidentally, usually not as a result of DM planning). For instance, about the 3rd time, 10 minutes before he showed up, one of our players said, "Y'know, we haven't seen the Blighter in a while..." Good times. Also the skeleton polar bears that were several CRs behind us but still eviscerated two party members. At any rate, it dies, but won't stay dead. Presumably it keeps getting resurrected, but man it's annoying. And we can't even take measures to prevent that, because he always explodes when he dies. So annoying.

FlyMolo
2008-05-12, 06:55 PM
I think of the Blighter our DM keeps making us fight. We've fought him something like 5 times now, and every time we do, someone in the party very nearly dies. Also, something entertaining usually happens (incidentally, usually not as a result of DM planning). For instance, about the 3rd time, 10 minutes before he showed up, one of our players said, "Y'know, we haven't seen the Blighter in a while..." Good times. Also the skeleton polar bears that were several CRs behind us but still eviscerated two party members. At any rate, it dies, but won't stay dead. Presumably it keeps getting resurrected, but man it's annoying. And we can't even take measures to prevent that, because he always explodes when he dies. So annoying.

Flesh to Stone, stone to mud, then scatter him in an ocean. Another of those methods of arbitrarily reducing someone to a vestige.

Cheaper and requiring fewer spells. A handful of scrolls of maze, and another handful of Transdimensional Maze. Cast the first, then cast the second. Boom. Instant vestige, no more blighter.

xPANCAKEx
2008-05-12, 07:21 PM
once had a game of bloodbowl where when taking on an Orc/goblin team with my chaos team i came across a problem player: A goblin no less. Completely stock, run-of-the-mill, goblin

I hit it with everything i could:
3 beastmen
a chaos warrior that had a 3-dice-my-pick advantage.... which all came up skull :(
Being pushed into the crowd 3 times
and a Blitzing minotaur

it had to be apothocaried - my opponent realised that defeat was not his only option, as "being defeated but really winding up the opposition coach" was far more entertaining

to finally take the pesky blighter full out of the game i had to put the boot in with 4 players (one of which had dirty player), for which he picked up a niggling injury

i almost wept with relief over that one... khorne was mocking me that day

Saohc
2008-05-13, 04:24 PM
Picture if you will... A level 3 wizard vs. level 5 fighter, and the wizard was out of spells. Three rounds later the fighter was dead and the wizard was unharmed, you gotta love HIGH dex and natural criticals. :smallbiggrin:

Krrth
2008-05-14, 10:49 AM
Well, I've had several "I'm still alive!" type characters. One of the most memorable was in the Pendragon setting.

I should have known what was coming up when the females in my characters family had a bonus to chirgery.

First encounter.....Dire Bear. Party charges. My character was the only one to make the valor chech. I charge forward (thinking the rest of the group was with me). Get hit by the bear. Evicerated, and knocked back to where the rest of the party was. Got taken home (we were in my families woods), healed. This trend continued. In the 20 years of that characters life, he spent ONE (end of year) not flat on his back. Of course, he also had 17 children,.......

Arwend
2008-05-14, 11:22 AM
There was one of these characters in a game I played a while back. Was a pally/kensai/something else. It was a ridiculously overpowered campaign, and we had just hit epic, and we were up against the BBEG wizard/archmage/ incantatrix/overpowered homebrew PRC. Luckily he wasn't too optimized in spell selection, more blaster-y. But after he killed the party caster, blinded the frenzied berserker, and I wanna say reduced the efficiency a lot on the archer, nothing would stick on the pally. He ended up force caging him in the middle of the room (we forgot teleport-y things) as the archer and FB tried to do... anything. They eventually got him down, but it took forever, and all the AOEs were still blasting on him. He and the archer survived, even tho the pally took something like 1200 damage over the course of the fight (3.0 heal/high con ftw).
Good times