rules glitch? non humanoid races + Dread Necromancer

[mabriss lethe]

Should a member of a nonhumanoid race ever make it to 20th level in dread necromancer, does that character gain the benefits of the lich template even though it isn't normally a valid choice?

[Kurald Galain]

Should a member of a nonhumanoid race ever make it to 20th level in dread necromancer, does that character gain the benefits of the lich template even though it isn't normally a valid choice?

Sure, why not? Generic rules (only humanoids can be liches) are trumped by specific rules (...unless they're a level 20 dread necromancer). Happens all the time in rulebooks.

[TheCountAlucard]

I'd allow it. After all, by 20th level, the Dread Necro has acheived most of the template's traits already.

[detrevnisisiht]

simple argument being the dracolich

[The Glyphstone]

I think by RAW it's illegal. I'd allow it myself though.

The Dracolich is a really bad example, because it's a separate template, specifically designed for dragons.

[DownwardSpiral]

uhhhh......



A dread necromancer who is not humanoid does not gain
this class feature.


From heros of horror, bottom of the lich transformation description.

[Ecalsneerg]

I'd give it to them. I mean, you get dragon liches and illithid liches, why not, say, a Thri-kreen lich (although why is it playing a dread necromancer!?)

[Tempest Fennac]

I agree with the people who said they'd let non-humanoids get the template (it fits with the class, and it's not as if it would really have a detrimental impact on the gameplay).

[Irreverent Fool]

Follow-up:

What's the most ridiculously cheesy race one could use for this?

[togapika]

Warforged.
Undead robot FTW!

[monty]

Warforged.
Undead robot FTW!

Play it in gestalt with ninja/pirate on the other side. You will win by sheer force of awesomeness.

[Tempest Fennac]

I appologise for my last ill informed post (in light of the previous 2 posts, I think that the Lich template rule should only be applied to creatures who were alive or unhdead in the first place).

[Ecalsneerg]

Warforged are Living Constructs...

[Tempest Fennac]

That is a good point (This is why I'd make an awful DM:smalltongue:). Would it work if the class feature in question only applied to creatures which could be raised using Animate Dead? I don't think there are any loopholes there.