New Artwork

[Omega]

Hello, everyone. It's been a while... about 2 months I think.
Anyway, I would like to post this new avatar that I created before coming back. Worked on it for like an hour.
Also I read: Dijnn's: Illustrated Avatar Guide (Inkscape) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40146&highlight=Guide) (like 2 times over, I think it helped.
Post comments, please.
:smallsmile:



http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m241/jasonphantom/gamma_knight.png

[Nameless]

Hello, everyone. It's been a while... about 2 months I think.
Anyway, I would like to post this new avatar that I created before coming back. Worked on it for like an hour.
Also I read: Dijnn's: Illustrated Avatar Guide (Inkscape) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40146&highlight=Guide) (like 2 times over, I think it helped.
Post comments, please.
:smallsmile:



http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m241/jasonphantom/gamma_knight.png

That's pretty awesome Omega, nice work. :smallsmile:

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Hmmm...I really should update that guide, having looked at it again. I realize that I can now produce a MUCH better one, and may if I have time. :smallbiggrin:

[Omega]

@Nameless: Thanks, I post more later. :smallwink:

@Djinn: I hope you do, I could use it. :smallsmile:

[Silence]

Well, I like the style that everything but the arms and the morningstar presents, but out of an educated guess, assume that it was unintentional, as it was very far from OotS style....

Obviously, and probably to your knowledge and with your consent, it is a little simplistic, although I think that was what you were going for.

I have to stop myself here when I was about to ask for some more complexity, but I realized "It's OotS... complexity is not an option".

It works well as what it is, a simple little thing, but lacks any real interesting features for anyone that does not automatically love artwork just because it's OotS style.

Wow.

I just wrote four paragraphs or criticism without saying a single thing. Quite an accomplishment.

[Omega]

Well, I like the style that everything but the arms and the morningstar presents, but out of an educated guess, assume that it was unintentional, as it was very far from OotS style....

Obviously, and probably to your knowledge and with your consent, it is a little simplistic, although I think that was what you were going for.

I have to stop myself here when I was about to ask for some more complexity, but I realized "It's OotS... complexity is not an option".

It works well as what it is, a simple little thing, but lacks any real interesting features for anyone that does not automatically love artwork just because it's OotS style.

Wow.

I just wrote four paragraphs or criticism without saying a single thing. Quite an accomplishment.

Instead of flaming you (like I would have months ago). I am just going to say, "thanks" and move on.
But when you have some helpful advice, you know where to find me. 'Cause to be frank, that wasn't helpful at all. Pity really. :smallsigh:

[Silence]

So you would rather me move along without expressing my opinion?

[Omega]

Uhhh... yeah, pretty much.
I think you just posted to be a jerk. I mean that's what I'm getting fro reading your post.

[Tiffanie Lirle]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m241/jasonphantom/gamma_knight.png

Just making a little list of things to work on.
This is in an Oots style, isn't it?

-The lines are too thin.
-The wings seem to be facing forward, while he seems to be facing the side.
-The arm holding the morning star is too stiff.
-I'm not sure if you were going for this or not, but he seems really.. blocky. As in there are almost no curves anywhere, except for the left arm. The right leg really sticks out here.
-He has a neck, not sure if this can be counted as a mistake or not.

Note: Some of these may just be seen as mistakes out of my personal opinion.

Edit V- Oh, well that does explain that. I never read that guide, not being an Inkscape user. :smalleek:

[Dallas-Dakota]

Just making a little list of things to work on.
This is in an Oots style, isn't it?

-The lines are too thin.
-The wings seem to be facing forward, while he seems to be facing the side.
-The arm holding the morning star is too stiff.
-I'm not sure if you were going for this or not, but he seems really.. blocky. As in there are almost no curves anywhere, except for the left arm. The right leg really sticks out here.
-He has a neck, not exactly a mistake but it seems off.

Note: Some of these may just be seen as mistakes out of my personal opinion.

As said in Djin's guide(which I actually bothered to read).
It is done in his own style. Which is actually a variation of the OOTS style.

[Omega]

@Tiffanie: Actually that helped, I'll use that when making my next one. :smallsmile:

@D-D: So true. :smallsmile:

[Dallas-Dakota]

And I forgot to mention, that for Djin's style, its quite good for a start.

[Dihan]

Well, I like the style that everything but the arms and the morningstar presents, but out of an educated guess, assume that it was unintentional, as it was very far from OotS style....

Obviously, and probably to your knowledge and with your consent, it is a little simplistic, although I think that was what you were going for.

I have to stop myself here when I was about to ask for some more complexity, but I realized "It's OotS... complexity is not an option".

It works well as what it is, a simple little thing, but lacks any real interesting features for anyone that does not automatically love artwork just because it's OotS style.

Wow.

I just wrote four paragraphs or criticism without saying a single thing. Quite an accomplishment.

So OotS style = non-complex?

Hmm... Right. If you insist.

[Dallas-Dakota]

Simple OOTS style is Rich his way.

Some of us have perfected oots style in their own way so that it includes vast detail and complicated stuff. It just takes longer to make.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Some of us have perfected oots style in their own way so that it includes vast detail and complicated stuff. It just takes longer to make.

Damn straight. The stuff I've been doing recently takes FOREVER...although I must admit the quality has drastically improved. :smallbiggrin:

[Omega]

Hey, Djinn, if you ever get the chance. Could you make a new guide? :smallconfused:

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

...already in progress, actually.

[Silence]

Well, maybe I am jaded. Frankly, I've never seen a OotS style artwork that I've deemed complicated. I'm open minded about this, and if anyone could prove me wrong, I'd love it. I just honestly think that the style of OotS, by definition, is simple.

[Oregano]

Nice work Omega, I'd also recommend thicker lines, gives it more definition.

And silence, look at my avatar or anything by Echowinds, moreso the latter than the former.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Well, maybe I am jaded. Frankly, I've never seen a OotS style artwork that I've deemed complicated. I'm open minded about this, and if anyone could prove me wrong, I'd love it. I just honestly think that the style of OotS, by definition, is simple.

Some of my own more complicated ones (all older creations). Others have more or less detail...some really great ones appear on the Avatar Request thread.

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/RubbleRousers.png

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/CynanMachae.png

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/ClearlyEvil.png

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/Pirate-1.png

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/Samurai.png

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/g4612.png

[Dallas-Dakota]

I think DoIhaveaname is one of those who has (almost) perfected it with detail. Just look at his avatar.

[Ego Slayer]

Well, maybe I am jaded. Frankly, I've never seen a OotS style artwork that I've deemed complicated. I'm open minded about this, and if anyone could prove me wrong, I'd love it. I just honestly think that the style of OotS, by definition, is simple.
Well, if it wasn't simple it would take Rich forever to finish a comic. :smallamused:

Yes, in it's 'purest' form it's simple but, for those of us who don't have to get a comic finished, we run with it. It's still technically OoTs, it's just not straight-from-the-comic style.

[LostOne]

Those are beautiful, Djinn. I would say you've moved to a "higher" form of artwork there however. They are certainly reminiscent of OotS but they aren't stick figures and they lack the OotS hands, limbs, ect. .The purpose of the OotS style is speed so it certainly makes sense to abandon some (or all) of the conventions when making work-intensive art.

Of course, there is no definition of "OotS style" so to a certain extent, this discussion is about mere semantics. If one defines Oots stick as not complicated, it isn't and vice versa.

[Omega]

@Djinn: Yes! A new guide coming soon!

[Lyinginbedmon]

Well, if it wasn't simple it would take Rich forever to finish a comic. :smallamused:

Yes, in it's 'purest' form it's simple but, for those of us who don't have to get a comic finished, we run with it. It's still technically OoTs, it's just not straight-from-the-comic style.

Ego's avatar is perhaps one of the best examples I've seen of a complex Burlewan art piece that is still definitely Burlewan (A lot of Djinn's examples include bodied limbs, which isn't a Burlewan feature)

[Silence]

Some of my own more complicated ones (all older creations). Others have more or less detail...some really great ones appear on the Avatar Request thread.

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/RubbleRousers.png

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/CynanMachae.png

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/ClearlyEvil.png

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/Pirate-1.png

http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/Samurai.png

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/Djinn_in_Tonic/g4612.png

I agree that those are great pieces of art, complicated and stylish, but they don't seem to fall into the category of OotS. This brings up the problem of where to draw the line between OotS and non-OotS.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I agree that those are great pieces of art, complicated and stylish, but they don't seem to fall into the category of OotS. This brings up the problem of where to draw the line between OotS and non-OotS.

True. But they have qualities of his style that are indeed complicated, which was the point I was making. I'll readily admit that I am not a strict adherent of his style, but the idea is still there. :smallbiggrin:

[Omega]

New artwork.
I staying I use the base armor and wings from my last guy (Gamma Knight). But I mixed it up a little and added some stuff. :smallsmile:

"Hellchon"
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m241/jasonphantom/hellchon.png
Should have made his skin darker...

[Ego Slayer]

Better. Assuming you're definitely aiming for OotS here; no neck, round, not oval, head that should be wider than the body and it should sit a bit below the shoulders (read: not perched on top).

[Omega]

Thanks.
Also, just to make this clear, I am not aiming for OOTS Style. I am aiming for Djinn's Style. Two different thing here people, just letting ya know. :smallwink:

[Pyro]

I think DoIhaveaname is one of those who has (almost) perfected it with detail. Just look at his avatar.

Or perhaps Ego Slayer. I've always loved the amount of detail she has put into your avatars. They look like they take hours to draw. Perhaps a little busy, but I still enjoy them and they exemplify using colored outlines and shadows well in conjunction with more traditional Oots style.

Now Omega. It's hard to tell you what to work on since you're aiming for a more non traditional oots style. But here's what I can tell you.

You should definitely want to make his legs curved.
You may want to consider removing the neck and seeing how that looks. But if that's what you want to do, go ahead.
Head should be a circle, but again style.
I also noticed in your avatar you put the red magic effect over the mace, which obscures it to the point I can't make it out.
Use thick lines, but you seem to have rectified that in your recent try.
The eyes seem a little large to me, but again could be a style choice.

Really Nit picky suggestions.
The mace seems to curve in a little on itself. If you straighten out, it will scale to smaller sizes better without looking blurred.
The hands seems a little pinched to me.
And finally you actually could want to consider using a thinner line for his mouth/eyebrow.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Thanks.
Also, just to make this clear, I am not aiming for OOTS Style. I am aiming for Djinn's Style. Two different thing here people, just letting ya know. :smallwink:

Well, as stated, my style has changed slightly based on input received here and my own opinions. Some comments?

Shortly after writing up that guide, I realized the following:

-I needed thicker lines. Much thicker...those are hard to see.

-A neck, if included, needs to be thick and very short...just enough to raise the head slightly off the body.

-Thicker arms and legs are better...they should look sturdy.

As well as more, but you'll see those things when I finish my guide.

[Omega]

@Pyro: Thanks. I'll see what I can do.

@Djinn: Thanks for making (starting) the guide. Much needed on my end. :smallsmile: