[4e] Revenge of the Two-sided weapon

[Blackdrop]

Outraged by the lack of two-sided weapons (and the inability to do my Darth Maul impersonation), I've come up with a rule to work them into the game.

Weapon Property: Two-Sided
You treat a two-sided weapon as if you are wielding a weapon in each hand. Additionally, you can not attack with both sides of the weapon in the same turn, unless you have a power that lets you do so, but you can attack with either side.
Also, a magic two-sided weapon costs twice as much to buy or enchant. However, if you start at an advanced level, a two-sided weapon only takes up the slot of one free magic item.

Example: Steve is creating a Lv. 25 paladin and he wants a +5 Holy Avenger Two-sided sword. He may select it as his Lv. 25 magic item.

Two-Handed Military Melee Weapons
{table=head]Weapon|Prof|Damage|Range|Price|Weight|Group|Proper ties
Swallow|+2|1d8/1d8|-|30 gp|7 lb.|Light Blade|Two-sided, Small[/table]

Two-Handed Superior Melee Weapons
{table=head]Weapon|Prof|Damage|Range|Price|Weight|Group|Proper ties
Two-Sided Sword|+3|1d10/1d10|-|45 gp|10 lb.|Heavy Blade|Two-sided
Double-Sided Axe|+2|1d12/1d12|-|50 gp|18 lb.|Axe|Two-sided
Urgosh|+2|1d10/1d8|-|45 gp|16 lb|Axe, Spear|Two-sided[/table]

Rules Errata
Dwarven Weapon Training: You do not gain proficiency with Doube-Sided Axe

Eladrin Soldier: You do not gain proficiency with the Urgosh

What do you think?

[Zocelot]

If you have to enchant each blade seperately, it seems fair.

The Swallow is basically 2 rapiers with the Small property. I'd still put it under superior weapons though.

The Two-sided sword is identical to two Bastard Swords. The Double-Sided Axe seems a bit overpowered. No TWF ranger would choose any other weapon. To make it balanced, I recommend dropping the proficiency bonus to +2, like other axes.

[Blackdrop]

Alright, how is that?

[Blackdrop]

I added some clarification on advanced starts and some rules concerning the feats Dwarven Weapon Training and Eladrin Soldier.

[Tadanori Oyama]

The Swallow is too good. It either needs to go down to d6 or be a superior weapon. The only light blade to hit d8 is the rapier and it's superior. Stands to reason the two handed version would be as well.

[Blackdrop]

Shame there isn't a d7. I could compromise and call it a day.

How 'bout dropping it down to a +2 from a +3? Would that be better?

[Spiryt]

Shame there isn't a d7. I could compromise and call it a day.

How 'bout dropping it down to a +2 from a +3? Would that be better?

http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/prism5-7a.JPG

:smalltongue:

[Blackdrop]

Okay... I stand corrected.

[Spiryt]

Okay... I stand corrected.

I wonder if there's a system (at least the one known by at least 2000 people or something) which uses them.

If not, you can be first :smallwink:

[Tadanori Oyama]

Yeah, I think dropping it to a +2 would balance it out.

[Blackdrop]

Alrighty then, any other questions\comments\concerns?