Baldurs Gate II Help: Missing Keldorn

[Fri]

So, I've been googling and looking at gamefaqs and found no help. And I thought, this place love BG 2 so I guess I'll ask here.

I replayed BG 2, and when doing the cultless eye... eyeless cult quest, I don't recruit keldorn the paladin. I mean, when I found him I said I'll do the quest but I don't need another party member.

Now, I want him to join my party, but I can't find him! Where do he hang out? Or is he missing for good?

[Mx.Silver]

So, I've been googling and looking at gamefaqs and found no help. And I thought, this place love BG 2 so I guess I'll ask here.

I replayed BG 2, and when doing the cultless eye... eyeless cult quest, I don't recruit keldorn the paladin. I mean, when I found him I said I'll do the quest but I don't need another party member.

Now, I want him to join my party, but I can't find him! Where do he hang out? Or is he missing for good?

Have tried the Order of the Radiant Heart (or whatever it's called) in the Temple District? It's been years since I played it, but that's where he'd usually go if he left your party, IRRC.

[Fri]

...Ah I found him. Thank you.

I've searched the order, but I never thought that he spends his time in the back room.

Paladins... why they don't hang out in pubs for once?

Thanks Mr. Silver

[Jimp]

If your main character is a Thief then be careful when doing the thieves guild quests because Keldorn will find some morally wrong and leave the party. It's been a long time since I played BG2 so I don't know if you can coax him back in or not.
The morally wrong idea also applies to killing commoners or having too evil a reputation, to the best of my memory.

[Fri]

Nah... my only problem is that I found out that he want to hack Viconia to bits. Keldorn is one of the best fighter in the game and the only paladin. Viconia is the best cleric in the game. Why they can't get along!?

I had to download a mod to deal with that, sigh.

[mangosta71]

Yeah, you either have to mod the game or have an absurdly high CHA to have people with such different outlooks in the group. Still, one of the best D&D CRPGs out there. Wish I could find the discs for it.

[Philistine]

Nah... my only problem is that I found out that he want to hack Viconia to bits. Keldorn is one of the best fighter in the game and the only paladin. Viconia is the best cleric in the game. Why they can't get along!?

Could it be because she's... oh, I don't know... evil? Unabashedly, unrestrainedly (and even deliciously) so. Keldorn on the other hand is a paladin, with that whole "will not knowingly associate with evil characters" thing going on. So by the rules, the two of them really shouldn't get along.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Nah... my only problem is that I found out that he want to hack Viconia to bits. Keldorn is one of the best fighter in the game and the only paladin. Viconia is the best cleric in the game. Why they can't get along!?

I had to download a mod to deal with that, sigh.I managed to get through the whole game and only had Keldorn go all sword-that-cleaves-my-love-interest once in the last chapter. A quick reload and some luck meant I made it to the expansion without the event triggering (and then I just subbed out Keldorn for Spoilervok until Vicky converted to Neutral. That's the, er, Power of Love?)

But if it means having entertaining interpersonal conflicts without the adventure getting disrupted by fights to the death, I fully support cheating a bit and using mods to that end.

As much as I love Keldorn, I think I'm going to play through the game as a Cavalier next time and skip him. Dude needs to go back to his family.

[Fri]

Yeah, actually I'm tempted to let poor Keldorn back to his family.

But no! My family problem is obviously more important than others family problem. Heh.

[AlekKolchak]

Hey, I'm at a loss on this subject and could use some help.

I'm playing through BG2 for the nth time. Instead of having Minsc as my backup tank to my Paladin, I wanted to try out a new class and use Keldorn instead.

Except, I released Keldorn to go back to him family. Picked up Minsc again, did some quests, changed the save games, and eventually regretted my decision.

Keldorn is at neither his home nor the radiant heart. And Windows 7 won't let me edit .ini files so I can't cheat him back.

Is there a way to

-Get Keldorn back using a console command, despite Windows 7 not letting me edit ini?

-Use Shadowkeeper?

Thanks in advance.

[iyaerP]

You should be able to mess with ini files just by using notepad.

As for keeping Keldorn from going smitetastic on Viconia?

That ring of 18 charisma that you find early on is your friend. It is your friend very much.

[Triaxx]

Editing .ini's in Windows 7 is a permission's issue. Make sure you're on an administrator account. Can you rename it?

[AlekKolchak]

Found it. It puts an editable ini file in users>app date>virtual store (Very intuitive, Windows).

Unfortunately, KeldronSpawnGuild is having no affect. Looks like Keldorn takes retirement seriously.

So I can either complete the game for the 100th time with as Minsc as the tank or restart ~30 hours worth of gameplay. Barring any miracles, it looks like no Holy Avenger/True Sight this time around. But hey, hamsters.

[TSED]

Found it. It puts an editable ini file in users>app date>virtual store (Very intuitive, Windows).

Unfortunately, KeldronSpawnGuild is having no affect. Looks like Keldorn takes retirement seriously.

So I can either complete the game for the 100th time with as Minsc as the tank or restart ~30 hours worth of gameplay. Barring any miracles, it looks like no Holy Avenger/True Sight this time around. But hey, hamsters.

Maybe use NearInfinity to figure out what his creature filename is? Should be something like Keldorn7 / 9 / 11 / etc., like other NPCs. I have no idea without looking it up though.

And pfft, Minsc is more awesome than Keldorn in every way. Who actually LIKES pallies? ;)

[Arbitrarity]

CreateCreature("keldorn13") (or whatever) should probably work.

[arguskos]

And pfft, Minsc is more awesome than Keldorn in every way. Who actually LIKES pallies? ;)
Yeah not so much. Mechanically Minsc is pretty average, while Keldorn comes with the best dispel option in the entire game. Keldorn rocks the mages. :smallcool:

[Miklus]

Nah... my only problem is that I found out that he want to hack Viconia to bits. Keldorn is one of the best fighter in the game and the only paladin. Viconia is the best cleric in the game. Why they can't get along!?

I had to download a mod to deal with that, sigh.

I would pick Viconia over that dork any day. Her, that nasty dwarf (Korgan?), Amomen (that wannabie cleric guy that kills a bunch of people and goes CN), Edwin the mumbeling mage and Imogen. That was a kickass party.

Seriously, that dwarf has issues.

[iyaerP]

I feel like I am the only person who actually LIKES Keldorn in this thread.

My favorite party was some combination of myself(usually as a melee beast of some kind), Minsc, Boo, Keldorn, Cernd, Edwin and Viconia or Amnoen. And Jann Jannsen as my rogue of choice.

[arguskos]

I feel like I am the only person who actually LIKES Keldorn in this thread.
I love Keldorn man! He's awesome! Big fan here. :smallbiggrin:

[Moonshadow]

Anyone who uses Anomen should be shot. The guy is a massive douche.

Anyways, as for Viconia and Keldorn fighting, just remember that there is a side quest in Throne of Bhaal where you can put a geas on Viconia to make her good or something. Don't remember exact details, I just remember that both Viconia and the Big Bad from BG1 can be redeemed and made good.

[tensai_oni]

Keldorn is the best fictional paladin. Old, wise but still badass, and not Lawful Stupid in the slightest. He is my favorite BG 2 character.

[iyaerP]

Keldorn is the best fictional paladin. Old, wise but still badass, and not Lawful Stupid in the slightest. He is my favorite BG 2 character.

THIS so much. I like Minsc better from a pure comedy standpoint, but Keldorn is beyond awesome.

[Cespenar]

Anyone who uses Anomen should be shot. The guy is a massive douche.

So far my easiest run involved a three man party with mainchar as a Cavalier, Anomen, and Keldorn. The Band of Brothers, as I liked to call them.

Or the Three Stooges.

[VarenTai]

You know, I never actually kept Keldorn in my party because I always played as a pally myself. :) Man, with the Holy Avenger, an Inquisitor was a total mage killer.

From a mechanics standpoint, Anomen was great - multi into Fighter gave access to higher weapon specs and better THAC0, and once he did his personal quest, his Wis got better. I know his personality wasn't popular, but in a fight, the dude was awesome, plus didn't get in the way of my Good party like Viccy did.

Lessee - I never finished Throne of Bhaal, (barely began it, actually) so I never had to make that ultimate decision of Spoilervok vs Minsc. Minsc was always so hilarious, I just couldn't bear to part with him.

My party of choice was me (pally), Anomen, Minsc, Aerie (love the multi cleric/mage thing), Yoshimo (with the cheat to keep him alive after ***REDACTED***), and Nalia. I used Shadowkeeper liberally stat-wise, but otherwise played the game straight.

So many good memories. If there weren't so many other great games to play and so little time to play them, I'd go back and pick up my save games again.

[Arbitrarity]

Actually, I guess Yoshimo dying after ***REDACTED*** is convenient for me, since a certain lovely lady can replace him for trap removal and lockpicking. I'd need to bring in a specialist for pickpocketing though.

[Kish]

Actually, I guess Yoshimo dying after ***REDACTED*** is convenient for me, since a certain lovely lady can replace him for trap removal and lockpicking. I'd need to bring in a specialist for pickpocketing though.
Just fill Imoen with potions before you want her to pick a pocket.

[Nerd-o-rama]

EDIT: ack double post. Delete me, please.

There's a "Delete Post" option on the edit screen. And if a mod pays attention to this thread it would be to lock it for necromancy anyway, although I think by now it's got plenty of momentum as a "Baldur's Gate NPCs in general" thread.


I would pick Viconia over that dork any day. Her, that nasty dwarf (Korgan?), Amomen (that wannabie cleric guy that kills a bunch of people and goes CN), Edwin the mumbeling mage and Imogen. That was a kickass party.

Seriously, that dwarf has issues.

Did anyone notice that the statistically best pure-class NPCs in the game are all Evil? Viconia, Edwin, and Korgan are probably the best Cleric (or Cleric type), Mage, and Fighter (or Fighter-type) in the game, although they are lacking in special ability options. Yoshimo is also the best NPC Thief (Imoen and Nalia are better casters than they are thieves), but he's just a very mercenary Neutral.

And while I'm on the subject of possibly-intentional coincidences, why is every single love interest at least part divine-caster? Staff Chick stereotype, maybe? "At least part elf" at least only applies to the women, and well, that happens everywhere.

[VarenTai]

Actually, I guess Yoshimo dying after ***REDACTED*** is convenient for me, since a certain lovely lady can replace him for trap removal and lockpicking. I'd need to bring in a specialist for pickpocketing though.

But by the time I lose him and pick her up, she is so far behind on levels that there's no point in trying to catch her up, and Nalia has gotten all the good spell scrolls up to that point. So sadly, I end up dumping her and keeping Nalia and Yoshimo. I really would rather have her instead of Yoshimo and Nalia, but since I tend to do all chap 2&3 quests before going after her, there's just nothing she brings to the table. Barring Shadowkeeper, I guess...

[tensai_oni]

Anomen is bad personality-wise but he gets better if he passes his test. But you have to endure his attitude before that. Not sure if it's worth it.

Anyone who doesn't level up in rogue levels anymore cannot be a good dedicated thief. So sorry Imoen, and likewise Nalia - who is almost an Imoen clone anyway. My rogue was always Jan Jansen. He's funny too.



And while I'm on the subject of possibly-intentional coincidences, why is every single love interest at least part divine-caster? Staff Chick stereotype, maybe? "At least part elf" at least only applies to the women, and well, that happens everywhere.

Divine casters have protection (spells).

[VarenTai]

Anomen is bad personality-wise but he gets better if he passes his test. But you have to endure his attitude before that. Not sure if it's worth it.

Anyone who doesn't level up in rogue levels anymore cannot be a good dedicated thief. So sorry Imoen, and likewise Nalia - who is almost an Imoen clone anyway. My rogue was always Jan Jansen. He's funny too.


Yeah, but Jan is a multi-class thief, so he actually really sucks, 'specially at high levels. Yoshi is the only full thief in the game, which is why I like him. I only made an exception for Aerie because she had so much utility and I had full cleric in Anomen and full mage in Nalia.

[Kish]

I really would rather have her instead of Yoshimo and Nalia, but since I tend to do all chap 2&3 quests before going after her,
Your phrasing is so very odd. If I didn't know better, I'd think someone was forcing you to do the chapter 2/3/6 quests before going after Imoen. You do realize you can do them in chapter six, right?

[tensai_oni]

Shame about Yoshimo, yes. But after he is unavailable, better to have someone who gets some levels in Rogue than someone who has only 4 or 7, and that's it.

And any rogue who can set up epic traps in Throne of Bhaal is okay for me.

[VarenTai]

Your phrasing is so very odd. If I didn't know better, I'd think someone was forcing you to do the chapter 2/3/6 quests before going after Imoen. You do realize you can do them in chapter six, right?

Yep. But I just love having the Ring of Kangaxx, the Staff of the Archmagi, and all of the other cool awesome items/spells, plus all of the artifact pieces when I finally go underneath. That way, I emerge, make me some artifacts, and head right to the end.

Plus, it seems to me that going after Imoen without doing SOME leveling is pretty tough (and I do like having my Holy Avenger in hand when facing down drow wizards). Or am I wrong? I don't think the game scales to your level.

[Cespenar]

Or am I wrong? I don't think the game scales to your level.

It doesn't, unlike IWD 2.

[Kish]

Actually, yes, it does.

The bosses won't. Firkraag will be Firkraag whether he's served by iron golems and fledgling vampires or by adamantite golems and eminent vampires. But most of the fights do.

[Cespenar]

Actually, yes, it does.

The bosses won't. Firkraag will be Firkraag whether he's served by iron golems and fledgling vampires or by adamantite golems and eminent vampires. But most of the fights do.

Hmm. Either I'm going dumb or it's been too long.

[iyaerP]

Did anyone notice that the statistically best pure-class NPCs in the game are all Evil? Viconia, Edwin, and Korgan are probably the best Cleric (or Cleric type), Mage, and Fighter (or Fighter-type) in the game, although they are lacking in special ability options. Yoshimo is also the best NPC Thief (Imoen and Nalia are better casters than they are thieves), but he's just a very mercenary Neutral.




And so you see Lone-Nerd-0-Rama-Star, EEEEEVIL will always triumph over good, because good is DUMB.


And apparently worse at min/maxxing.

Although on the subject of Jann, I actually liked him better than Yoshimo. Partially because he doesn't backstab you at a critical juncture, and partially because between him being a pure thief class and yoshimo being a bounty hunter, he has more skill points to allocate, despite his multiclassing. Also, with his unique arms and armament, he tends to get to 100% in most of the relevant skills anyway.

[Triaxx]

Keldorn is awesome. I like him more than Anomen, but not more than Minsc. I love putting him, Minsc, and Mazzy together. Sadly it always requires I dump someone. Fortunately, I always have Jaheira who I can get rid of.

[iyaerP]

I don't know of anyone; good, evil or neutral who played with jahira in their party beyond the starting dungeon.

Shes like if the divine avatar of Lawful stupid had a retarded love-child with the crazy bitch goddess of true Neutral.

[Cespenar]

I don't know of anyone; good, evil or neutral who played with jahira in their party beyond the starting dungeon.

Shes like if the divine avatar of Lawful stupid had a retarded love-child with the crazy bitch goddess of true Neutral.

I kept her for the entire game, and romanced her nonetheless. :smallannoyed:

Not that I take offense from what you said, but anyway. :smallbiggrin:

[Avilan the Grey]

I don't know of anyone; good, evil or neutral who played with jahira in their party beyond the starting dungeon.

Shes like if the divine avatar of Lawful stupid had a retarded love-child with the crazy bitch goddess of true Neutral.

I have used used her quite a few times; her romance is really good, and she is quite useful even if you don't romance her.

Of course the number of characters I use is always limited since I cannot play the game without Viconia in my party (so I never use Keldorn).

[Triaxx]

I like Jaheira, but Keldorn does her job just as well, minus the shapeshifting. On the other hand not much beats turning into an earth elemental.

Except the damage potential of Minsc, Keldorn and Mazzy using Ravager, Carsomyr, and Short Sword of Mask/Crom Faeyr. All Greater Whirlwinded...

So yeah. My character is usually an archer or wizard, so he/she stays out of the fighting.

[Avilan the Grey]

I like Jaheira, but Keldorn does her job just as well, minus the shapeshifting. On the other hand not much beats turning into an earth elemental.

Actually her best side is a Mage disabler: her two insect spells are made of awesome for that.

[Fri]

I kept jaheira because I have a nasty habit of getting attached to whoever joined my party first and considering them as the 'real' party, in any rpg ever.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I kept jaheira because I have a nasty habit of getting attached to whoever joined my party first and considering them as the 'real' party, in any rpg ever.

That seems to be more or less the intention in Baldur's Gate 2. The characters with you in the starting dungeon? All people you met in the first 4 hours of Baldur's Gate 1. And Yoshimo, the one new guy in the first four hours of this game, is the only NPC besides Imoen who is even remotely connected to the main plot.

[DrK]

I've not played bg2 for years!

I loved Keldorn, he and my cavalier with a post quest Anomen were the front line with Aeris, Jahera and Neila as the ranged love interests.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Aeris

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Aeris was nowhere near as annoying as the chick in Baldur's Gate 2. Well, in the original. Fandom/Advent Children Aeris was about as bad.

[Cespenar]

I loved Keldorn, he and my cavalier with a post quest Anomen were the front line with Aeris, Jahera and Neila as the ranged love interests.

Nalia wasn't a possible interest. Viconia was the third one.

/pedantic

[Kish]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
He didn't spell any of the women's names right, so...

[Mordokai]

I don't know of anyone; good, evil or neutral who played with jahira in their party beyond the starting dungeon.

Shes like if the divine avatar of Lawful stupid had a retarded love-child with the crazy bitch goddess of true Neutral.

Even if you consider her annoying(which I don't), she's one hell of a powerhouse once she develops. Give her a STR enhancing belt, a good club, armor and a shield and she can melee with the best of them. And that's before her spells come into play. And like other's have said, I really like her romance. So yeah, I kept Jaheira in my party for the entire game, SoA and ToB.

I would take offence at what you wrote, but really, I'm beyond that by now.

[Triaxx]

One of the reasons I like Aerie, is that the Holy Symbol stacks with the strength belts.

Plus, you know, being able to Doom, Malision, and Finger all in one Chain Contingency.