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Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 12:31 AM
So I rolled the highest stats I have ever rolled:
18 18 16 16 15 12
and now Im unsure of what to do with them. What would you make?
ToB is banned and can't take a race with LA or from like Eberon or anything like that.

Dr Bwaa
2008-09-01, 12:33 AM
Monk! It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-09-01, 12:36 AM
Shapeshift Druid? Paladin/Wizard? Gish? Bard? Warlock? Cleric? Do anything. Heck, take an LA if you want. The sky's the limit.

chiasaur11
2008-09-01, 12:36 AM
Paladin!
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity...
That doesn't wholly suck!

Suzuro
2008-09-01, 12:37 AM
My first ever character was a Barbarian with these stats (With racial adjustments)

STR: 20
CON: 20
Dex: 18
WIS: 16
INT: 14
CHA:15

Yeah, he was fun because I refused to learn to read or write. AND GROG TALK LIKE THIS! (And this was actually before I started reading OotS, so, no, he's not based on Thog.

-Suzuro

Xenogears
2008-09-01, 12:37 AM
Someone explain to me why exactly it is that monk's apparently suck? Seriously.

Stupendous_Man
2008-09-01, 12:38 AM
Someone explain to me why exactly it is that monk's apparently suck? Seriously.

Don't even ask.

Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 12:38 AM
Paladin!
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity...
That doesn't wholly suck!

Ive heard that paladins suck unless you have the stats for it- and I would say I rolled the stats for it. Are there any guides on paladin builds? I wouldnt even know where to start optimizing that class.

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-09-01, 12:39 AM
Someone explain to me why exactly it is that monk's apparently suck? Seriously.No. Not in this thread. Start a new one, or just search for it.

Tempest Fennac
2008-09-01, 12:46 AM
What sort of class would you most like to use, and what are the other player's classes? Those stats are great for anything.

axraelshelm
2008-09-01, 12:46 AM
Grey elf wizard, already high powered make it more so! Pychic warrior is alot of fun as well hmmm but yeah with stats like those any class wouldn't suck so play anything!

Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 12:55 AM
What sort of class would you most like to use, and what are the other player's classes? Those stats are great for anything.

I like playing pretty much any class role. And this game is going to have a large group (8 people!) and all the roles are pretty much covered so Im open to play whatever I want

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-09-01, 12:56 AM
Bard. Why not?

Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 12:57 AM
Bard. Why not?

cause my wife is playing the bard lol

Sstoopidtallkid
2008-09-01, 12:59 AM
UMD monk?
Artificer?
DMM Mystic Theurge?

Do anything!

CASTLEMIKE
2008-09-01, 01:06 AM
What level? What alignment? What books are available? What do you normally enjoy playing or normally favor? Can you use Flaws?

Beguiler -1 with Precocious Apprentice Feat Trick, Binder - 1 or 2, Anima Mage - 7 could be fun.

Prestige Paladin with a Favored Soul (Needs to acquire Turning) or Cleric (Has the Turning) could be enjoyable.

Changeling Rogue Variant (10 SPS and Fast Diplomacy and Gather Information) using the Feat Rogue Variant could be fun.

Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 01:14 AM
What level? What alignment? What books are available? What do you normally enjoy playing or normally favor? Can you use Flaws?

Beguiler -1 with Precocious Apprentice Feat Trick, Binder - 1 or 2, Anima Mage - 7 could be fun.

Level 1 (campaign will go to about 15)
Banned books: ToB, psionics, no campaign specific races
No flaws

I usually try to maxamize damage with martial classes, but have been considering playing a Malconvoker since they can pretty much fill in any role with their summon spells and theyre still stong by themselves.

CASTLEMIKE
2008-09-01, 01:17 AM
Variant Domain Conjurer with Precocious Apprentice Feat Trick dipping Binder for a level or two to go Anima Mage (Vestige Meta at AM-5 1/day) before Malconvoker.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#conjurationDomain

Swap out the Scribe Scroll for Augment Summoning (2 feats for 1) great for a future Malconvoker especially if you go the Master Specialist - 4 route.

You can always retake the feat.:smallsmile:

Consider Focused Specialist Conjurer.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#conjurerVariants

Master Specialist could be interesting if the Precocious feat trick works to faciliate early entry.

The Nexus Method feat could be fun if you can swing it:

http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/feats.pl?Nexus_Method,Dragon

Complete Mage has the Cloudly Conjuration feat.

Rei_Jin
2008-09-01, 01:19 AM
Ooooo! Play the weakest class you can!

A Samurai (From Complete Warrior) or a Soulknife (Expanded Psionics Handbook). And no multiclassing or Prestige Classes!

See if you can make them not suck!

Colmarr
2008-09-01, 01:23 AM
AND GROG TALK LIKE THIS! (And this was actually before I started reading OotS, so, no, he's not based on Thog.-Suzuro

Um, you do realise that he had way-above average stats in all three mental abilities? :smallamused:

Grynning
2008-09-01, 01:23 AM
Paladin can be a good level dip for 3 or 5 levels as part of another build (even if you go the Prestige version from UA, more than 5 levels in it is pretty pointless). These stats would also be great for a dual casting progression kind of build (there are many ways to pimp such a build out, but you could be just a plain old mystic theurge if you don't want to be too overpowered). I would recommend a gish like a Duskblade, Psychic Warrior, Lurk, Psionic Rogue, those are all fairly well balanced and fun to play.
Edit: Never mind, ninja'd on the answer to the question.

No psionics? Laaaaammme...oh well.

BobVosh
2008-09-01, 05:05 AM
Um, you do realise that he had way-above average stats in all three mental abilities? :smallamused:

And god forbid someone have a speech impediment without being dumb. Maybe he learned some language where pronouns didn't exist and then his second language is common. Or he learned common from those WITH low intelligence. It becomes a dialect among barbarians practically.

Eldariel
2008-09-01, 05:50 AM
Here's my list of things-to-try-with-high-scores:

-Melee Cleric (seriously, they can be build pretty SAD, but they really want Wis, Cha, Str, Con and Dex)
-TWFer (Strength-focused Two-Weapon Fighter - the starting stat is big enough to qualify for the TWF feats, so one can easily derive everything off Str - of course, this runs into the problem that Tome of Battle isn't allowed and thus, Two-Weapon Fighting sucks)
-Wizard (with high Charisma for Charms/Bindings/etc.!)
-Shapeshift Druid (Druid's more fair brother, this one benefits a ton of being able to start with high physicals)
-Bard
-Fighter!! (Dungeon Crasher-tripper with Imperious Command, Zhentarim Fighter-subs, AoOs, etc.)
-Some multi-ability stack monstrosity that gets just about every stat to everything. At the very least some AC-stack with Dex, Con and Wis to AC, using some of those for the combat too.

ghost_warlock
2008-09-01, 05:57 AM
I'd probably do something weird - like a totemist from Magic of Incarnum, a spirit shaman from Complete Divine, or a savage bard (Unearthed Arcana) who multiclasses into barbarian and then bear warrior. (heehee, bonus points if you take Perform-dance and use it while in bear form! :smallbiggrin:)

Hmmm...all of those are like Primitivism Yay (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NobleSavage)!

Tsotha-lanti
2008-09-01, 06:01 AM
Well, you can just qualify for paladin. 18 Cha, 18 Str (yay, percentile Strength), 16 Wis for spells...

Seriously, though, your class is more important than your starting abilities. If you're a monk, you'll still suck. If you're a wizard, you'll still be just as amazing. Go with whatever you like playing.

Rei_Jin
2008-09-01, 06:01 AM
I'm currently playing a Spirit Shaman in a home game, it's a heck of a lot of fun for roleplaying, but has major problems with MAD. Stats like this could pull it off nicely me thinks.

Eldariel
2008-09-01, 06:06 AM
Actually, with one more 18, I'd say he could make a very decent Monk. With 18 Str/Dex/Wis and 16 Con, 15 Wis and 12 Cha, he'd have decent To Hit and Damage on level 1, with the ability to focus on any of those stats decently, and the option of going TWF and so on if he so desires. Only two 18s doesn't cut it though - even with 3 18s, your level 1 AC is only 18 (without racial bonuses - something like Wood Elf could work decently).

One thing I forgot to mention - Bard-based Dervish would fit perfectly! You'll get Int to stuff, Str to stuff, Dex to stuff, Cha to stuff, Wis to stuff and still need Con for HP, but those numbers could just pull it off.

Hal
2008-09-01, 12:59 PM
I'm going to add my voice to Paladin. With the stats you rolled, you can make a good contribution to the party without stealing away the spotlight from everyone else. (Seriously. Who wants to play with a Wizard who has better stats than the party Fighter?)

As for builds, it mainly depends on if you wanted to be straight Paladin or do some sort of multiclass. This might be the perfect opportunity to use any of the Complete Adventurer multiclassing feats, such as Paladin/Monk, Paladin/Rogue, or Paladin/Bard. Bardadin is my personal favorite (obscene Cha synergy), but your mileage may vary.

If you're multiclassing, you can probably leave it at 5 levels of Paladin and then stick to your other class. Take the Complete Champion ACF for Paladin bonus feats and you'll get an extra feat in place of 2 levels of spell casting (a good deal if you're only doing 5 levels of Paladin).

If you're going straight Paladin, there's a lot of feats to choose from, but Battle Blessing is your best friend (makes most Paladin spells a swift action to cast).

Enjoy!

Emperor Tippy
2008-09-01, 01:06 PM
Grey Elf Factotum?

Myatar_Panwar
2008-09-01, 01:11 PM
Shapeshift Druid? Paladin/Wizard? Gish? Bard? Warlock? Cleric? Do anything. Heck, take an LA if you want. The sky's the limit.

Arn't shapeshift druids one of the least MAD classes out there? All you really need is wisdom, as you get your strength, dex, and con from you animal forms. I am currently playing one and just made him charismatic and smart cause I had nothing else to put the points in.

kamikasei
2008-09-01, 01:14 PM
Arn't shapeshift druids one of the least MAD classes out there? All you really need is wisdom, as you get your strength, dex, and con from you animal forms. I am currently playing one and just made him charismatic and smart cause I had nothing else to put the points in.

No, you're thinking of the standard PHB druid. Shapeshift druids are those using the variant from the PHB2 which trades wild shape and the animal companion for unlimited shapeshifting with a limited list of forms. Unlike with wild shape, you don't replace your physical stats with those of the animal, you just gain enhancement bonuses, making stats other than Wisdom much more relevant.

Flickerdart
2008-09-01, 01:17 PM
I'm going to add my voice to Paladin. With the stats you rolled, you can make a good contribution to the party without stealing away the spotlight from everyone else. (Seriously. Who wants to play with a Wizard who has better stats than the party Fighter?)

As for builds, it mainly depends on if you wanted to be straight Paladin or do some sort of multiclass. This might be the perfect opportunity to use any of the Complete Adventurer multiclassing feats, such as Paladin/Monk, Paladin/Rogue, or Paladin/Bard. Bardadin is my personal favorite (obscene Cha synergy), but your mileage may vary.

If you're multiclassing, you can probably leave it at 5 levels of Paladin and then stick to your other class. Take the Complete Champion ACF for Paladin bonus feats and you'll get an extra feat in place of 2 levels of spell casting (a good deal if you're only doing 5 levels of Paladin).

If you're going straight Paladin, there's a lot of feats to choose from, but Battle Blessing is your best friend (makes most Paladin spells a swift action to cast).

Enjoy!
Bardadin or Sorcadin will guarantee huge saves with Divine Grace.

Deepblue706
2008-09-01, 01:17 PM
So I rolled the highest stats I have ever rolled:
18 18 16 16 15 12
and now Im unsure of what to do with them. What would you make?
ToB is banned and can't take a race with LA or from like Eberon or anything like that.

If everyone else in the group was significantly lower than that, I'd reroll until I have similar stats.

Unless, of course, you have both a Veteran Wizard and Druid on board, or something. In that case, I'd play a Human Fighter. All the way to 20. Or least, declare as much - Just to screw with them.

STR 18 DEX 18 CON 16 INT 15 WIS 16 CHA 12. My skill selection would be Ride, and lots of crafts. Feats would include Mounted Combat, Archery, Shock Trooper. Hell, I'd get improved Sunder, too - you can just repair anything you break with your craft skills. Maybe Ranged Sunder, thrown weapon feats...

Inventory would include many, many gadgets.

Myatar_Panwar
2008-09-01, 01:18 PM
No, you're thinking of the standard PHB druid. Shapeshift druids are those using the variant from the PHB2 which trades wild shape and the animal companion for unlimited shapeshifting with a limited list of forms. Unlike with wild shape, you don't replace your physical stats with those of the animal, you just gain enhancement bonuses, making stats other than Wisdom much more relevant.

Aww man... I forgot that existed. Might have gone with that for my wildshape bear druid if I remembered... I even went with the rage varient. /sigh

Anxe
2008-09-01, 01:35 PM
My best stat character was a halfling fighter with a greatsword. In order to join the already existing party he had to show his prowess by dueling the other party fighter. My 3rd level halfling was able to take down a 4th level human and only lose about half his hitpoints. The hobbit was a bad ass.

only1doug
2008-09-01, 01:39 PM
make a dragon shaman (PHBII):

its a interesting buffer class that stacks with bard buffs, can melee a little and has MAD.

Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 05:45 PM
Well I found out that our party is melee-heavy. So Im thinking about doing a Swift Hunter (Scout/Ranger) or some sort of caster (probably Focused Conjurer)

Talic
2008-09-01, 05:53 PM
18, 18, 16, 16, 15, 12?

That screams Gish or combat cleric.

Gish:
Str: 18
Dex: 16
Con: 18
Int: 12
Wis: 15
Cha: 16

Good Will, good combat stats to begin, and, assuming a Cha based class, good spellcasting. If you're going int based? Switch Int and Cha. Focused specialist wizard for a few levels, fighter for a couple, and go into eldritch knight or abjurant champion.

Combat Cleric:
Str: 18
Dex: 15
Con: 16
Int: 12
Wis: 16
Cha: 18

Decent Dex, all other physical stats good. Caster stats also good, and a healthy number of turn attempts to power divine feats. Wisdom isn't 18, but most of your spells target you, and a few stat boosts will get you into the range of 9th level magic, even without magic items.

EDIT: Melee heavy? Great. Melee overload is an awesome party tactic. Go with combat cleric, and you can still spontaneously cure party members, and be more front line control. It's fun stuff for allowing the party to do stuff.

Criz Reborn
2008-09-01, 06:01 PM
18, 18, 16, 16, 15, 12?

That screams Gish or combat cleric.

Gish:
Str: 18
Dex: 16
Con: 18
Int: 12
Wis: 15
Cha: 16

Good Will, good combat stats to begin, and, assuming a Cha based class, good spellcasting. If you're going int based? Switch Int and Cha. Focused specialist wizard for a few levels, fighter for a couple, and go into eldritch knight or abjurant champion.



Okay I hear this phrase thrown around a lot but never bothered to figure out what it means. Whats a gish? just someone who takes like 1-5 levels in a bunch of different classes?

Grynning
2008-09-01, 06:04 PM
A gish is a combination of a melee fighter and a spellcaster. It's named for the Githyanki word for Fighter/Wizards.

turkishproverb
2008-09-01, 06:04 PM
So I rolled the highest stats I have ever rolled:
18 18 16 16 15 12
and now Im unsure of what to do with them. What would you make?
ToB is banned and can't take a race with LA or from like Eberon or anything like that.

A Boumon Monk.

Eldariel
2008-09-01, 06:07 PM
For Talic's builds, I'd suggest 18 in the casting stat simply because that allows you to maintain maximum number of highest level bonus slots, which never hurts. Besides, many Gishes have ways to derive their combat abilities off their casting stats.