Mauril Everleaf
2008-09-12, 01:18 AM
Essentially, this thread is to discuss the differing views on how wizards replace their daily attack spells. The two different views are that when a wizard hits level 15 and is required to replace a daily attack that a) the wizard is allowed to add one level 15 daily attack spell and removes one lower level daily attack spell or b) the wizard gains two level 15 daily attack spells and removes two lower level spells.
The corollary has to do with the feat Expanded Spellbook. Side A would say that it has no effect, the wizard still only gains one new spell while removing one old one. Side B would say that the wizard gains three new spells while removing three old spells. Alternative options include gaining two spells while removing one, gaining two spells while removing two and gaining three spells while removing two.
I queried Customer Service about it. While not a definitive answer (it is CustServ after all), the guys I talked with agreed with side B. Below is the correspondence between "Paul", "Marc" and me.
I am a bit confused about how a wizard replaces his daily spells (at level 15, for example). The wording on page 158 states that whenever a wizard gains a new level of daily attack spells, he selects two spells. It later states that when replacing a spell, he removes one and adds another. My question here is how many daily spells the wizard gains when he needs to replace them. Does he gain two new dailies (while removing two old dailies) or does he simply gain one new daily (while replacing one old daily)?
The second part of this question is how Expanded Spellbook affects this. Since it states that when a wizard would gain a level of daily spells, he gains one extra, explicitly stating that he would gain three instead of two. So does this take effect at level 15, allowing the wizard to take an additional spell? If it does, does the wizard need to also remove an additional spell (Add three level 15 spells and remove, for example, three level 1 spells)?
When replacing powers, you will replace both, not one. If you have the Expanded Spellbook feat, they would replace 3. While retraining is only ever one power.
To confirm, "replacing" refers to the levels at which the wizard removes a lower level power for a higher level power. For Dailies, these would occur at levels 15, 19, 25 and 29 (page 29 of the PHB). "Retraining" refers to the ability to swap out a power for one of an equivalent level each time the character levels up. That distinction might make a big difference to how I plan my 20 level build.
Yes, you are correct, "replacing" refers to the levels at which the wizard removes a lower level power for a higher level power, and Retraining" refers to the ability to swap out a power for one of an equivalent level each time the character levels up. I hope this information is useful.
Please chime in, I would like to hear what everyone else thinks.
The corollary has to do with the feat Expanded Spellbook. Side A would say that it has no effect, the wizard still only gains one new spell while removing one old one. Side B would say that the wizard gains three new spells while removing three old spells. Alternative options include gaining two spells while removing one, gaining two spells while removing two and gaining three spells while removing two.
I queried Customer Service about it. While not a definitive answer (it is CustServ after all), the guys I talked with agreed with side B. Below is the correspondence between "Paul", "Marc" and me.
I am a bit confused about how a wizard replaces his daily spells (at level 15, for example). The wording on page 158 states that whenever a wizard gains a new level of daily attack spells, he selects two spells. It later states that when replacing a spell, he removes one and adds another. My question here is how many daily spells the wizard gains when he needs to replace them. Does he gain two new dailies (while removing two old dailies) or does he simply gain one new daily (while replacing one old daily)?
The second part of this question is how Expanded Spellbook affects this. Since it states that when a wizard would gain a level of daily spells, he gains one extra, explicitly stating that he would gain three instead of two. So does this take effect at level 15, allowing the wizard to take an additional spell? If it does, does the wizard need to also remove an additional spell (Add three level 15 spells and remove, for example, three level 1 spells)?
When replacing powers, you will replace both, not one. If you have the Expanded Spellbook feat, they would replace 3. While retraining is only ever one power.
To confirm, "replacing" refers to the levels at which the wizard removes a lower level power for a higher level power. For Dailies, these would occur at levels 15, 19, 25 and 29 (page 29 of the PHB). "Retraining" refers to the ability to swap out a power for one of an equivalent level each time the character levels up. That distinction might make a big difference to how I plan my 20 level build.
Yes, you are correct, "replacing" refers to the levels at which the wizard removes a lower level power for a higher level power, and Retraining" refers to the ability to swap out a power for one of an equivalent level each time the character levels up. I hope this information is useful.
Please chime in, I would like to hear what everyone else thinks.