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Kiyona
2008-10-01, 12:02 PM
Hello all,

Q1: I was sure there was a feat called twin ray somewhere, but now I cant find it. Did I just make it up or does it excist?

Q2: I am making a sorc/wild soul (ssuboptimal I know, but it suited the concept) and I'm looking for some good summoning feats. Suggestions? Except augment summoning, I already know that one. =)

Thanks :smallbiggrin:

[EDIT] spelling...

Tsotha-lanti
2008-10-01, 12:13 PM
You could've posted in the 3.5 rules FAQ thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87867). Well, okay, I guess question 2 is beyond its scope.

I think you mean either Twin Spell or Split Ray, from Complete Arcane.

Check out Crystal Keep (http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php) for more stuff.

Danzaver
2008-10-01, 12:15 PM
I remember an issue of dragon magazine, not long after 3rd edition had come out, which had a section on ray-specialised meta-magic feats, and I'm fairly certain that was one of them.

I have no idea how you might track it down though, other than with crystalgeek (see tpam).

mangosta71
2008-10-01, 12:16 PM
Q1 - There is, in the Expanded Psionics Handbook iirc. I don't think it was called twin ray, but it gave that effect. Just browse the table of metapsionic feats.

Q2 - The EPH also has some feats that boost constructs, if you're summoning those.

So, sorc/wild soul planning to go cerebremancer? I always preferred the spontaneous casting of the sorcerer to the wizard, but as psions are already spontaneous casters I personally never saw the appeal of the wild soul, especially since a psion could be RPed the same way. Well, to each his (or her) own. It sounds like an interesting concept, so have fun with it.

Kiyona
2008-10-01, 12:16 PM
Oh, sorry, missed that one. If any moderators wishes to move the thread, please do so. :smallbiggrin:

Yeah, I found those, but neither fits my memory... I might have just mixed them up. I remember a feat that worked like twin spell, but only on rays.

Kiyona
2008-10-01, 12:23 PM
Oh, my... you are a fast bunch =)

My response were to Tsotha-lanti of course.

Danzaver and mangosta71 thank you both, I'll look into that.
Wild soul fom complete mage BTW, the one with connections to fey. Is there a psionic one too? Confusing. ^^

mangosta71
2008-10-01, 12:32 PM
Oh. If you aren't doing the psionic wild soul, you can completely disregard my comments. :smalltongue:

Chronos
2008-10-01, 01:47 PM
I don't think there is a psionic Wild Soul. There's a Wilder, and a Soulknife, though.

mangosta71
2008-10-01, 02:26 PM
I don't think there is a psionic Wild Soul. There's a Wilder, and a Soulknife, though.

I was thinking of the Wilder. This is what happens when I don't carry my books with me when I come to work.

Cuddly
2008-10-01, 03:24 PM
Wild Soul is a sorc PrC that loses caster levels, and gains some sort of "chaos magic" I think.

graymachine
2008-10-01, 03:45 PM
I would suggest specializing in Conjuration and taking one or all of the Conjurer specialist substitutions on the SRD. If nothing else, take the one that changes summoning spells from full round actions to standard actions.

Cuddly
2008-10-01, 03:49 PM
I would suggest specializing in Conjuration and taking one or all of the Conjurer specialist substitutions on the SRD. If nothing else, take the one that changes summoning spells from full round actions to standard actions.

Does wild soul let sorcerers specialize?

graymachine
2008-10-01, 03:56 PM
Does wild soul let sorcerers specialize?

Sorry, long day at work. I forgot about being a sorcerer.:smalleek:

Cheesegear
2008-10-01, 04:41 PM
Grab Extend Spell, or Rapid Spell for your Summons.

Maybe see if you can get Summon Elemental as per the feat (although you'll eventually get the Spell anyway that does exactly the same). Earth Elementals are your friend.

Animefunkmaster
2008-10-01, 05:00 PM
A1:

Split Ray, Complete Arcane pg 83. Essentially your ray affects another target.

Twin Spell, Complete Arcane 84. Essentially cast the same spell twice at once.

A2:
Its easier to just link you to the Summoning Handbook (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=883099)

Kiyona
2008-10-02, 05:49 AM
A wild soul is a PrC that looses one spellcasting level (sucks) but gains more spells known (win). And gets to summon specific creatures without casting spells.

Hardly a powerful choice, but it fits the concept, and the group is more underpowered than overpowered, so its ok. =) We are three players, a bard, a fighter, an NPC dwarf that we all hate, and me.

I dont have the book with me to work, so I dont know if it is a spell like ability, or something else. I think they counts as spells, so normal feats would work... but I am not sure. Does any of you know?

Too bad, a twin ray feat would be awesome. :smallbiggrin: